michael valek
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Is it still possible to locate the tour models new? The OS I mean. Anyone switched from OS to a new phantom? Or from pcg100 to a phantom?
Is it still possible to locate the tour models new? The OS I mean. Anyone switched from OS to a new phantom? Or from pcg100 to a phantom?
By Boron is similar in weight to 4-stripe. However, I remember when I had 1-stripers, they were heavier and had more SW then the 4-stripe.Hi =), sorry if this one doesn't qualify as a POG, I just wanted to share my new adquisition.
This is the Prince Super Graphite 110, as far as I know is the same as the Prince Boron but for the japanese Market.
I don't have the specs but it's a lot lighter than the POG.
I have a first generation POG and the difference in weight is a lot.
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See my comments regarding weight and swung weight above, first.A question regarding the POG 1st generation ( 1 stripe , grommetless ).
Is the handle shorter than the 4 stripes ? I like the racquet a lot and I was considering buying a 4 stripe if the handle was
longer.
When I play with the 1 stripe, the only downside I get is that with my 2 handed backhand my non dominant hand ist almost
touching the lower part of the throat.
Yes the handle of the 1st generation POG is shorter than the later one stripe and four stripe versions.A question regarding the POG 1st generation ( 1 stripe , grommetless ).
Is the handle shorter than the 4 stripes ?
Some minor corrections: I have POG2 and it uses individual grommets, prints 1976. So POG1 and 2 gonna be out at 1976 or ealier.
Also I have seen pictures of both Agassi and Chang, with the POG4 (4 stripe). I have also seen picture of Agassi with POG 3.
Anyone else have a good bit of variance with 4-Stripes? I have a couple that are 11oz and 12oz unstrung.
Sort of. Bollettieri arranged a contract for him with Donnay, and he hated Donnay's first attempt to make something like the Prince Graphite. He spray-painted a Graphite and gave it a Donnay stencil, fooling no one. According to Agassi's autobiography, Donnay execs were in an immediate tizzy and soon came up with a new Donnay Pro One that Agassi liked.Is there truth to the tennis urban legend that the oversized Head stick with crossbeam in the throat that Agassi first used when he switched to Head was actually a POG OS paint job? It took Head a couple years to make one that Agassi would accept?
Alter Mann, I'm going by memory here, but I believe the Graphite went straight from individual grommets to a full bumper + grommet strip, and the Boron (and never the Graphite) had a grommet strip without a bumper*. Unless I'm wrong in that recollection, then, a Graphite grommet could never fit a Boron.Does anyone know, if the POG grommets fit to the Boron?
Congrats on your winnings.... i have 4, 4 striped 110's. Have been using them since 1987. I demoed the 100p and the Phantom this week just to see if i was missing anything, and they are ok, but not stable enough even with lead they dont compare on touch, control or stabilty to me. What are you stringing yours with? I'm still stringing synthetic gut or multifilament at about 60lbs. I am 42 now and sometimes I think I should be using something lighter but I think my game is so used to heavy sticks that too hard to go lighter now.I just wan an auction over there for three more OS in what appear to be great shape. Two Tour version and one of the most recent Classic 107 cosmetic. I will now have:
1 Four Stripe "Oversize" - so later version
1 Straight Shaft (one grip size larger, so I have a Wilson Feather Thin grip to make it feel like the rest and a bunch of lead to make up for the weight loss)
2 Tour
2 Classic 107
Congrats on your winnings.... i have 4, 4 striped 110's. Have been using them since 1987. I demoed the 100p and the Phantom this week just to see if i was missing anything, and they are ok, but not stable enough even with lead they dont compare on touch, control or stabilty to me. What are you stringing yours with? I'm still stringing synthetic gut or multifilament at about 60lbs. I am 42 now and sometimes I think I should be using something lighter but I think my game is so used to heavy sticks that too hard to go lighter now.
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Wrong...Alter Mann, I'm going by memory here, but I believe the Graphite went straight from individual grommets to a full bumper + grommet strip, and the Boron (and never the Graphite) had a grommet strip without a bumper*. Unless I'm wrong in that recollection, then, a Graphite grommet could never fit a Boron.
* The Precision Boron Longbody, much later, had a bumper, but that's a different frame.
Yeah, I have yet to try Poly. Mainly in fear of potential elbow issues and comfort. But may be I will try it....I am 44, but didn't take up tennis until I was 39. Over that time I have only used the POG OS as my "main stick" for all of about 3-4 months. For the last 3 months I have been using it about half the time and the other half is with a leaded up Textreme Warrior 100.
I have strung it with full syn gut, poly/syn hybrid, and about 10-15 different full poly jobs. These days I prefer a full poly setup at around 53 lbs. My current favorite is Firewire 17 mains with Tour XC 17L crosses. A full bed of Tour XC is a bit more predictable, but doesn't have quite the spin. Another good one is Tourna Black Zone. Quite slippery and predictable. I'm going to revisit that when the new racquets come in.
I also strung one up on Sunday with Origin mains @56 and Tour XC crosses @ 53. Hit with it for a few minutes last night and it looks to have some potential.
I just wan an auction over there for three more OS in what appear to be great shape. Two Tour version and one of the most recent Classic 107 cosmetic. I will now have:
1 Four Stripe "Oversize" - so later version
1 Straight Shaft (one grip size larger, so I have a Wilson Feather Thin grip to make it feel like the rest and a bunch of lead to make up for the weight loss)
2 Tour
2 Classic 107
Maker of 1st Gen POG
I'm not sure how many people knew this (or care to), but I believe this information belongs in this thread.
Kuebler lists the release date of the POG as 1977. If true, then the BBC "Graphite 1000" couldn't have been the first all graphite frame made with an "enlarged head", unless both frames were released a year before either company bought magazine ads. As I noted in my last post in the Fox thread (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=368101&page=3), the 1978 ad in World Tennis for the "Graphite 1000" was the first I saw to make this claim. I didn't see any ad for POG before the May 1978 issue - the final issue in this particular library's collection, unfortunately.
Nevertheless, it is entirely plausible that prototypes of POG were being trialed in 1977, and I am now 100% certain that the company that made these first generation POGs was Fansteel, or rather 'American Sports Equipment', a spin-off of the Fansteel department responsible for tennis racquet design and manufacture, headed by David Fernandez (who incidentally also oversaw the development of the first successful graphite golf club shafts at Fansteel, in 1973!).
Fansteel had been working on graphite tennis racquet designs since at least 1974, when they submitted their first patent application. Over the next two years, they filed many more applications, eight of which were eventually granted. Fansteel released the "Super Graphite" under their own brand in 1977 (sold by mail order with "money back guarantee"), but seemed to have made several OEM frames as early as 1975, and many more later on under the American Sports Equipment banner. The grommetless POG was probably the most successful of that bunch. My guess is that when Prince eventually decided to give that contract to Kunnan Lo, it was a huge blow to American Sports Equipment, and was one of the main reasons David Fernandez chose to refocus his efforts on golf equipment development instead.
I should mention here that while Howard Head was credited with the overall shape of the Prince racquet design, the engineering that went into making the POG was largely the work of a Fansteel mechanical engineer - Andrew (Andy) Mathias Cecka, a Minnesotan transplant who was responsible for 6 of the 8 Fansteel patents. Like many of those early engineers in the composite equipment business, Cecka also had a defense/aerospace industry background, and must have worked with David Fernandez since they were both employed at Azusa.
Sadly, Mr. Cecka passed away earlier this year. I doubt that very many people who read his obituary fully appreciate the role he actually played in helping to usher in (for better or worse) the modern era in tennis racquet design and manufacture:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/latimes/obituary.aspx?pid=165190007
I think he (along with other unrecognized and forgotten pioneers of that period, many of whom are now in their twilight years) deserves to be acknowledged and remembered for his contributions.
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I dont .. but let me get see if I can borrow one and see what the static weight is.
Is yours no-bumperguard-individual-grommets one? I have two of them and they have rectangular handle. Even more rectangular than old Head racquets. I find that grip shape only with this version.My pog os 1977 has a short rectagular handle? Is this an original or fake? Junior racket? Feels quite heavy though but not sure.
Yep no bump/ind grommetsframe, does it play like newer pogs or worse? Thinking i might upgrade but if it plays the same as the newer pogs theres no point in changeing.Is yours no-bumperguard-individual-grommets one? I have two of them and they have rectangular handle. Even more rectangular than old Head racquets. I find that grip shape only with this version.
Anyone switched from OS to a new phantom? Or from pcg100 to a phantom?
I don't have a proper equipment and measured them just with an ordinary ruler. To my eyes it looks like 16.5mm, 17mm, 19mm, 19mm in the order of "no-bumper-no-grommets," "no-bumper-individual-grommets," "single stripe with bumper and grommet strip," and "four stripes." Oh I am referring to only Oversizes.Pog OS comes in 16mm and 19mm beam
pog 90 comes in 19mm beam, and in something less than 19 according to this thread.
Specifically which versions have which beam widths? Anyone have a list of the beam widths of the various versions of the pog 90 and pog OS?
I don't have a proper equipment and measured them just with an ordinary ruler. To my eyes it looks like 16.5mm, 17mm, 19mm, 19mm in the order of "no-bumper-no-grommets," "no-bumper-individual-grommets," "single stripe with bumper and grommet strip," and "four stripes." Oh I am referring to only Oversizes.
No info about the later versions because I don't have them.
Hope it helps.
I have a 4-strip POG (Mid Plus) 90 and a couple of the reissue POG Tour Graphite (Midsize) 90. From throat to beam they both measure 19.3ishmm, give or take.
Anyone else have any of the beam widths of any of the earlier versions of the pog 90 that may have a thinner beam?
Those pre-date the 90 series by a number of years.
I have a 4-strip POG (Mid Plus) 90 and a couple of the reissue POG Tour Graphite (Midsize) 90. From throat to beam they both measure 19.3ishmm, give or take.
Nope, have 2 one stripes, and 1 four stripe.. all same.
I don't recall that sticker from 'way back then', either. I remember the long sticker with the patent dates and "Prince Manufacturing, Inc Made in USA" and the grip sizeAre these the very first iteration of the Prince Graphite 110? I don’t ever recall seeing a sticker that small on POG frame.
I don't recall that sticker from 'way back then', either. I remember the long sticker with the patent dates and "Prince Manufacturing, Inc Made in USA" and the grip size
Yes, those are the stickers I am used to seeing as well. I’m going to guess that these 2 were the very first versions prior to going to the long stickers with the patent, year & point of manufacture. Going to dig out my javelin & sting.. I think I recall seeing it on of those.
this is more circumstantial evidence that the POGs and Wilsons shared the same production line!