Prince Phantom 93P- Best string set up

Tiny update: really not liking Blue Rock N Power. Not sure what I’ll go to next but I am curious: do any of y’all string the 93P 1-piece? I’ve done 2 piece every time and I’m not sure it would matter, I’m just curious.
 
Tiny update: really not liking Blue Rock N Power. Not sure what I’ll go to next but I am curious: do any of y’all string the 93P 1-piece? I’ve done 2 piece every time and I’m not sure it would matter, I’m just curious.
There's currently a discussion thread in the Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines sub forum talking about 1 piece vs 2 piece that might be of interest to you:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/why-do-people-string-using-2-piece.642928/
 
Tiny update: really not liking Blue Rock N Power. Not sure what I’ll go to next but I am curious: do any of y’all string the 93P 1-piece? I’ve done 2 piece every time and I’m not sure it would matter, I’m just curious.
Just curious - what is it you did not like about Blue Rock N Power?
 
Just curious - what is it you did not like about Blue Rock N Power?
It’s the only erratic-feeling string I’ve played so far in the 93P. What sets this frame apart is its precision and feel. Blue Rock N Power managed to tank both of those attributes. There’s a chance it mellows out; I’ve only logged about 1.5 hours with it. But I’m not holding my breath. Plus, it was SOOOO unpleasant to string.
 
It’s the only erratic-feeling string I’ve played so far in the 93P. What sets this frame apart is its precision and feel. Blue Rock N Power managed to tank both of those attributes. There’s a chance it mellows out; I’ve only logged about 1.5 hours with it. But I’m not holding my breath. Plus, it was SOOOO unpleasant to string.
I was considering trying it, but read many other negatives reviews, as well. For example, low powered, harsh, massive tension loss, etc.
Yeah the 93P is a great frame. I have one of mine strung with an Alu Power Rough hybrid, and I get so much enjoyment playing with it--great feel, with power on tap when I need it, touch when I want it, and so much precision.
 
Do it. Unless your arm can't take any poly.

Gut/Poly makes the price of gut stringbed more palatable.
My arms ok with a hybrid till the poly goes dead, I end up restringing well before the gut is going to break, so I thought I’d go full bed of gut figuring at least I’d get use of the gut till it snaps.

I usually hybrid with Lux Alu Power Rough or Volkl Cyclone Tour, have previously tried Ashaway ZX Pro.

The temptation is ghostwire sounds like it lasts longer than other polys and the extra spin would be nice.
 
I've been happy with Ghostwire and Cream until the gut snaps. It's hard to tell when those polys go dead if ever. Whereas Max Power and Proline II, I could tell when they'd lost their resilience.

I think soft polys have enough additives to maintain resilience that they don't get that classic "dead poly" feeling. At least my elbow doesn't notice it. And I have a pretty sensitive elbow.

The trade off is they aren't as muted as a firm poly so the stringbed has more liveliness. That may effect control for some but I find in an 18x20 93 sq in frame, control is far from the issue. A little extra liveliness is a good thing.
 
So I finally took the plunge and strung my Diadem solistice powe 17 at 33lbs and played 3 sets of doubles today and absolutely love it. Perfect blend of touch feel and power for me. I had tried the same string before at 45lbs before and absolutely hated it. Felt too boardy and hurt my elbow ( I have an elbow problem) on the serves. None of those issues when I strung it at 33. I'll try it at 30 next time and see what impact that has :)

Before this I was using volkyl cyclone tour 16 in main and volkyl cyclone tour 18 in crosses, both at 45lbs and absolutely loved it, the only downside being it would start over hitting the ball after around 6-8 hours of play.

The Diadem solistice power 17 at 33 is actually playing better for me. More control and similar power compared my usual string combo

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My Tourna Big Hitter Silver 18 is settling in really nicely. Around hour 5 or 6 now and it does pretty much everything I ask. I played my best set of doubles in years last night (a pretty informal setting but still, a 7-5 win over a skilled team) so I probably will leave this one in until it dies, then just re-up with it, or with something wicked similar.

Updated rankings (all in the 18x20 93P):
1) RS Lyon 1.20
2a) Tourna BHS 1.20
2b) Solinco Hyper G 1.15
3) Solinco Outlast 1.15
4) Blue Rock N Power
Last: Solinco Revolution 1.15 and gut/poly (just not my cup of tea)

Still to demo: KB PLII 1.15, SPPP 1.18, thinner gauges of the Solinco offerings.
 
I have been using Volkl Cyclone hybrids. When I first got my 93P, I had it strung with Pyscho 17. Great spin potential. More comfortable and control perhaps a bit muted feel off the string bed. The Cyclone mains took about 2 weeks of play before chewing up the Power Fiber crosses.

Next, I did a hybrid of Cyclone 19 with Prince Syn Gut Duraflex 17 (I have a reel of each I need to use up). I felt that I was getting much more pop out of this hybrid and it was a much more lively string bed. I loved it from the baseline, but i could have used a little more touch at the net (especially since I'm not seeing the ball was well as I would like at the net). It took about a week for the Cyclone to eat through the PSGD.

Finally, I testing out Cyclone 19 mains with Isospeed Cream 17. I feel like their was a notable difference between the weight of the Cream and PSGD. I could swear that the 93P felt slightly head heavier. It took about a hour to get used to. It was a pretty comfortable set up for two polys. It was a deader feeling string bed. I felt like their was more ball pocketing, or perhaps the string bed just had less power than the prior tow setups. I had an easier time driving the ball with aggressive. I felt this set up had the most control at the baseline and at the net. On serve, this has slightly less power on flat serves and a little less action on kick serves. I have about ten plus hours of play on this string bed with no signs of notching.

At some point, I would like to compare this hybrid to a full bed of CyberFlash and a Hybrid of Cyclone and Isospeed Pro Classic.
 
I have been using Volkl Cyclone hybrids. When I first got my 93P, I had it strung with Pyscho 17. Great spin potential. More comfortable and control perhaps a bit muted feel off the string bed. The Cyclone mains took about 2 weeks of play before chewing up the Power Fiber crosses.

Next, I did a hybrid of Cyclone 19 with Prince Syn Gut Duraflex 17 (I have a reel of each I need to use up). I felt that I was getting much more pop out of this hybrid and it was a much more lively string bed. I loved it from the baseline, but i could have used a little more touch at the net (especially since I'm not seeing the ball was well as I would like at the net). It took about a week for the Cyclone to eat through the PSGD.

Finally, I testing out Cyclone 19 mains with Isospeed Cream 17. I feel like their was a notable difference between the weight of the Cream and PSGD. I could swear that the 93P felt slightly head heavier. It took about a hour to get used to. It was a pretty comfortable set up for two polys. It was a deader feeling string bed. I felt like their was more ball pocketing, or perhaps the string bed just had less power than the prior tow setups. I had an easier time driving the ball with aggressive. I felt this set up had the most control at the baseline and at the net. On serve, this has slightly less power on flat serves and a little less action on kick serves. I have about ten plus hours of play on this string bed with no signs of notching.

At some point, I would like to compare this hybrid to a full bed of CyberFlash and a Hybrid of Cyclone and Isospeed Pro Classic.
You're not imagining it. Since I got my 93P (18x20), I went through fullbed syn gut (16G), fullbed poly (RS Lyon 1.20, Still-in-black HTS 1.20), and now gut/poly (VS Team 1.25/YPTF 1.25). From fb syngut to fb poly wasn't too bad, but from fb poly to gut/poly I could feel the balance and weight change. So much so that I've added weight to top of handle to restore it back to its HL balance point. My next string job will not but gut/poly any more, or if I do, will go for the thinnest possible poly.
 
You're not imagining it. Since I got my 93P (18x20), I went through fullbed syn gut (16G), fullbed poly (RS Lyon 1.20, Still-in-black HTS 1.20), and now gut/poly (VS Team 1.25/YPTF 1.25). From fb syngut to fb poly wasn't too bad, but from fb poly to gut/poly I could feel the balance and weight change. So much so that I've added weight to top of handle to restore it back to its HL balance point. My next string job will not but gut/poly any more, or if I do, will go for the thinnest possible poly.
I'm using 17g gut with 19g poly. That may be why i don't notice any head heaviness. And it ups the spin potential nicely.
 
I found 16g felt too boardy in the 93P. Kept lowering the gauges and enjoying the feel and spin more.
When I played with an 18 Alu soft at 48 or so, it felt mushy, and I was really bothered by the weight difference. I haven't noticed a boardy effect, though I, strangely enough, hit very well when I had the Alu soft strung in the racquet before. I think there might have been a tension difference from the stringer or something.
 
When I played with an 18 Alu soft at 48 or so, it felt mushy, and I was really bothered by the weight difference. I haven't noticed a boardy effect, though I, strangely enough, hit very well when I had the Alu soft strung in the racquet before. I think there might have been a tension difference from the stringer or something.
I suspect you might be hitting harder and need a bit stiffer string bed to get the same feeling I get from thinner gauges and lighter swinging. :)
 
The 93P feels the best with 18G poly at 48lbs, imo. Even the Tecnifibre Ice Code 17G feels a bit too thick in that frame.
Ice Code plays amazing for me on the 14x18 but agree I would not string it on the 18x20 unless it came at a thinner gauge. Thin gauge gut/poly was my favorite on the 18x20 and it lasted so long!
 
Wow, y'all are making me wonder how good it can get with the right stringbed! I've got a demo 18x20 from TW right now with what the sticker says is Prince Premier Control at 57(!) lbs and it plays and serves wonderfully. If a good poly or hybrid is even better, then I'm sold...
 
Wow, y'all are making me wonder how good it can get with the right stringbed! I've got a demo 18x20 from TW right now with what the sticker says is Prince Premier Control at 57(!) lbs and it plays and serves wonderfully. If a good poly or hybrid is even better, then I'm sold...
You can get a way better stringjob than PPC at 57lbs. Low tension full poly string beds or gut/poly work really well in that frame. Like others, I prefer the thinner gauges for tighter string beds. 17g gut with 19g poly crosses is very nice.
 
Okay, I'm ordering a 93P after this weekend. I won a Fast 4 tournament 50+ division with the TW demo racquet and the PPC stringbed. Awesome groundstrokes and serve placement was impeccable. I want to order pre-strung with Hyper-G 18, but what tension should I start with?

I currently use Hyper-G 17 at 48/46 in my ProStaffs, if that's any help. Probably try Firewire Boost after this, but want the racquet ready to go when it arrives.
 
Okay, I'm ordering a 93P after this weekend. I won a Fast 4 tournament 50+ division with the TW demo racquet and the PPC stringbed. Awesome groundstrokes and serve placement was impeccable. I want to order pre-strung with Hyper-G 18, but what tension should I start with?

I currently use Hyper-G 17 at 48/46 in my ProStaffs, if that's any help. Probably try Firewire Boost after this, but want the racquet ready to go when it arrives.
I’d suggest 46.
 
Okay, I'm ordering a 93P after this weekend. I won a Fast 4 tournament 50+ division with the TW demo racquet and the PPC stringbed. Awesome groundstrokes and serve placement was impeccable. I want to order pre-strung with Hyper-G 18, but what tension should I start with?

I currently use Hyper-G 17 at 48/46 in my ProStaffs, if that's any help. Probably try Firewire Boost after this, but want the racquet ready to go when it arrives.
When I ordered my first 93P that’s the exact string and gauge I asked for. For tension I went with 45 and I loved it.
 
Played two hours of pretty competitive singles today, alternating between my main 93P (currently strung with Tourna BHS 1.20) and my backup 93P (with KB Pro Line II 1.15). Both were fun but I give the slight edge to BHS. I found the control to be a little better but I didn’t lose much in the spin department. I might mess around with thinner strings, but going forward my main setup will be 1.20 gauge — I just feel like it provides the best of both worlds, especially since I’m not a string breaker.

FWIW, even though the strings performed similarly, they do feel different. PL II is more crisp and lively while BHS is more muted. I prefer a more muted feel, but those who don’t should definitely give PL II a try.
 
I can tell you which string set-up is NOT great for the 93P 14x18: Yonex Poly Tour Spin 16L at 48 lbs.

Lasted me 4 hours before exploding. Now, the very open string pattern doesn't help, but I was getting 7-8 hours of Hyper G 16L in this frame.

And 12 hours of Hyper G 17 in the 93P 18x20.

I know the 14x18 is a string eater (my Prince Graphite Pro 90 was similar, when I was playing it in the 80's), but 4 hours is astonishingly bad.
 
I can tell you which string set-up is NOT great for the 93P 14x18: Yonex Poly Tour Spin 16L at 48 lbs.

Lasted me 4 hours before exploding. Now, the very open string pattern doesn't help, but I was getting 7-8 hours of Hyper G 16L in this frame.

And 12 hours of Hyper G 17 in the 93P 18x20.

I know the 14x18 is a string eater (my Prince Graphite Pro 90 was similar, when I was playing it in the 80's), but 4 hours is astonishingly bad.
Another one of the reasons I prefer 18x20 string beds. Durability. I never understand why rec players with powerful strokes use open string patterns. You are paying for your strings and the pros aren't. And even a good number of pros use 18x20's to maintain string life.

I mean if you are breaking plastic in 4 hours that's getting ridiculous. Imagine putting a multi in that frame.
 
I can tell you which string set-up is NOT great for the 93P 14x18: Yonex Poly Tour Spin 16L at 48 lbs.

Lasted me 4 hours before exploding. Now, the very open string pattern doesn't help, but I was getting 7-8 hours of Hyper G 16L in this frame.

And 12 hours of Hyper G 17 in the 93P 18x20.

I know the 14x18 is a string eater (my Prince Graphite Pro 90 was similar, when I was playing it in the 80's), but 4 hours is astonishingly bad.
Hyper G on my 14x18 lasts around 8 hours as well, and Black Code 4S popped after 4 hours. Currently enjoying Ice Code which lasts 8+ hours with great playability until it breaks on the 17g. Right now I'm playing with the 16g Ice Code but I think I like the 17g better. Kind of apples vs oranges on feel between Ice Code and Hyper G but 8 hours would be the mark to cut out poly strings anyway regardless of pattern. I think I could play with either any time.
 
Another one of the reasons I prefer 18x20 string beds. Durability. I never understand why rec players with powerful strokes use open string patterns. You are paying for your strings and the pros aren't. And even a good number of pros use 18x20's to maintain string life.

I mean if you are breaking plastic in 4 hours that's getting ridiculous. Imagine putting a multi in that frame.
I used POG mid back in high school when I was blissfully ignorant about racquet specs and string patterns, and poly strings had not entered the scene yet, so I played with Prince Synthetic Gut on that frame and broke them pretty much every 3 days even though I wasn't particularly a hard hitter. Kind of hilarious to think about it now, but luckily my coach's stringer gave me a really good deal on the string jobs. I'd consider my family to have been lower middle class growing up, but I was fortunate enough to have parents that still found a way to support my tennis playing from a young age.
 
Another one of the reasons I prefer 18x20 string beds. Durability. I never understand why rec players with powerful strokes use open string patterns. You are paying for your strings and the pros aren't. And even a good number of pros use 18x20's to maintain string life.

I mean if you are breaking plastic in 4 hours that's getting ridiculous. Imagine putting a multi in that frame.
Because the 14x18 93P works better for my game than the 18x20 does. I find it markedly easier to play, between the string pattern, slightly lower static weight and slightly higher RA.

Now, truth be told, I'd probably have been happier with a 16x18 or 16x19 pattern in the 93P. It would have been a good middle ground.
 
round crisp feel polys:
1 head.hawk.touch (gray)
2 yonex.poly.tour.strike (gray), more so than yptp!! imo/ime

im currently running a side/side/side test on gray poly strings
topspin cyber flash // softest my favorite so far
luxilon alu power // med.soft
yonex poly tour strike //crispest, not uncomfortable like solinco.TB(original)
Head Lynx (Green) is a nice soft round poly and the green looks good in the frame.

People have also mentioned Tier One Ghostwire. That’s soft and round too. I think I prefer Lynx.
 
Because the 14x18 93P works better for my game than the 18x20 does. I find it markedly easier to play, between the string pattern, slightly lower static weight and slightly higher RA.
My game would definitely come secondary to stringing costs. I get nothing from winning a tennis match other than a few hours of satisfaction. Restringing costs every week would cost me a trip to Hawaii.
 
My game would definitely come secondary to stringing costs. I get nothing from winning a tennis match other than a few hours of satisfaction. Restringing costs every week would cost me a trip to Hawaii.
How much tennis do you play? 8-9 hours of Ice Code on my 14x18 means I have to restring approximately every 3 weeks, which is about 17 string jobs per year, which a full reel covers more or less for ~$112 (if you know where to look). A trip to Hawaii would cost well over $1k for plane tickets, hotels, food, activities. (Source: I go to Hawaii every year)

I suppose it's a different story if you don't string for yourself and use natural gut or multi and play more than 2-3 hours a week, which is what I suspect you were referring to, but I think full poly users can still get good cost effective mileage out of the 14x18.
 
My game would definitely come secondary to stringing costs. I get nothing from winning a tennis match other than a few hours of satisfaction. Restringing costs every week would cost me a trip to Hawaii.
I am not prepared to pay the costs of restringing every 4 hours. That's barely 2 weeks of play for me. Getting back to Hyper G will put it back to 8 hours, which is 3-4 weeks. I can live with that.
 
How much tennis do you play? 8-9 hours of Ice Code on my 14x18 means I have to restring approximately every 3 weeks, which is about 17 string jobs per year, which a full reel covers more or less for ~$112 (if you know where to look). A trip to Hawaii would cost well over $1k for plane tickets, hotels, food, activities. (Source: I go to Hawaii every year)

I suppose it's a different story if you don't string for yourself and use natural gut or multi and play more than 2-3 hours a week, which is what I suspect you were referring to, but I think full poly users can still get good cost effective mileage out of the 14x18.
I play about 10-12 hrs a week and was referring to someone mentioning breaking strings in 4 hours. And I don't have a stringer or room for one. So for me that's 2-3 string jobs per week, at $30 a pop which would be $3900.

In my 18x20's i string about once a month (or 3 racquets every 3 months). So $360 a year.
 
I play about 10-12 hrs a week and was referring to someone mentioning breaking strings in 4 hours. And I don't have a stringer or room for one. So for me that's 2-3 string jobs per week, at $30 a pop which would be $3900.

In my 18x20's i string about once a month (or 3 racquets every 3 months). So $360 a year.
Yeah, makes sense, sounds like it would be a quick arm death if I played 40 hours a month with polyester strings
 
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