Prince Phantom 93P

Zlatni

Rookie
Shorter mains are good, if that makes crosses longer. It actually might be closer to the 95 functionally.
The head shape looked very much like the CTS Lightning 90 that I have. Very round.
I don’t have a pog 93, but I assume it is the same shape


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scotus

G.O.A.T.
The head shape looked very much like the CTS Lightning 90 that I have. Very round.
I don’t have a pog 93, but I assume it is the same shape


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I think all Prince 90s were 93 in actual size.
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
I build up my buttcap a bit so Mine strung with OG/Damp/BigButt is 12.42oz 11pts HL. It was a tad under spec unstrung at 11.38oz I believe, which is fine by me!
 

pLaRiCn

New User
Sure you can, I have 2 TT95 in my bag one with gut/poly the other with multi, they dont play that different.
Those 2 string setups are probably somewhat close, but gut/poly would be quite different from a full poly. Having said that, TT95 for me performed less dramatically different between the 2 fairly polarizing string setups compared to other racquets like Blade 98, STeam 96, or VCore 89.
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
Me vs ball machine today. Touch shots are amazing. The sweet spot is very small, but when you find it....feels great! Power is very low. Swing speed is very high and easy. Serve may be my fav shot so far with this. Will hit with a human man tomorrow.
 
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Deleted member 54265

Guest
Just foud out that TW wont ship Prince frames to EU, so we have to wait for TWE to get the frames, but most important no matching service at TWE

What a bummer.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Tried to overlay 93P over the TT95. The TT95 is a bit longer in the throat, but the 93P is a little wider at 9 and 3.


The 93P on top of the PP100P is a little shorter all around.

Good. Since I prefer round frames to oval, 93P is effectively as large as, if not a tad larger than, TT95 in my book.

Unfortunately for me, I am not a fan of 18x20.
 
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Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Good. Since I prefer round frames to oval, 93P is effectively as large as, if not a tad larger than, TT95 in my book.

Unfortunately for me, I am not a fan of 18x20.
I tend to hit nearer the end of the racket anyway so the 93P should suit me better as well. I'm interested in the 18x20. It's funny, I serve better and hit BH's better with 18x20's but my FH's are far better with 16x19 stringbeds. That's why I can never find that perfect racket. It seems every variation has it's pros and cons.

Anyways, I'm probably going to look into this stick if I can ever find it in Canada. Otherwise I'll have to pick it up next time I'm in the States.
 

Pmasterfunk

Hall of Fame




Some more eye candy for you guys.

So this is next to the Legendary PT280, and then on top of it.

The other thing of note. They feel, very similar just bouncing the ball off the strings. The 280 is a little softer but not much. I don't use a dampener on the 280. Short story, this frame feels very, very similar.
Isn't there some Talk Tennis rule that prohibits comparing racquets to the PT280? Don't tempt us, man.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I tend to hit nearer the end of the racket anyway so the 93P should suit me better as well. I'm interested in the 18x20. It's funny, I serve better and hit BH's better with 18x20's but my FH's are far better with 16x19 stringbeds. That's why I can never find that perfect racket. It seems every variation has it's pros and cons.

Anyways, I'm probably going to look into this stick if I can ever find it in Canada. Otherwise I'll have to pick it up next time I'm in the States.
I never played much with Prince 90, aka Mid and also known way way in the past as Mid Plus, and in the Phantom series, as 93. But I found an old Spectrum 90 in the closet, so I compared it with some other racquets, and here are some interesting findings:

The head shape of the Prince Mid is a very round as opposed to oval, so if you're like me, whose concept of racquet head size is based primarily on the width of the racquet along the cross string, then Prince 90/93 is larger than many 95s and as large as 100 or even 102s.

Example 1) Compared to Wilson Pro Staff 95, Prince Mid is actually slightly wider. Pro Staff's extra 2 sq. in. is located all along the vertical line, making the racquet face longer but the shaft shorter than the Prince Mid.

Example 2) Compared to Volkl V1 Classic, which is 102 sq. in., Prince Mid is about the same size along the width. Volkl is like Wilson PS. It is just much more oval, giving you longer mains than Wilson Pro Staff, and much longer mains than the Prince Mid.

Example 3) Compared to Babolat 100 (Pure Aero), the top and bottom of the Prince frame almost fits within the string bed of the Pure Aero. However, horizontally (i.e., along the length of the cross string), there is much more of an overlap.

So here is how the racquets stack up in size in terms of lengths:

* Horizontally along the middle crosses:
Wilson Pro Staff 95 < Prince Mid = Volkl V1 102 < Babolat Pure Aero 100 < Prince Phantom 100
(By the way, Volkl V1 is very egg-shaped and is the widest toward the bottom)

* Vertically along the middle mains:
Prince Mid < Wilson Pro Staff 95 < Prince Phantom 100 < Babolat Pure Aero 100 < Volkl V1 102.
 
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Power Player

Bionic Poster
The P93 plays true to size IMO. If you are cool with a true 93 headsize, you will like it. The width may be a little closer to a 95 though. Tough call.

I can say that I have not had many shanks with it. The smaller headsize so far feels more like an advantage. I played with 100 size head for a year before buying this.
 

haqq777

Legend
If you are an advanced player, sure the smaller head size will be easier to adjust to. But in the end, it is a little disingenuous to say it would play the same like a 100 sq inch frame. A 3.5 or 4.0 will have a hard time adjusting. For sure.

I played #1 for my DII college team, currently 34yo and still play with college players. Pretty decent level. When I playtested the Prestige Touch Mid (which actually feels bigger than 93 - I think HEAD measured it differently this time around), there were most definitely adjustments that needed to be made and a lot of framing. I was coming off 100 sq inch Angell TC100.

Most of the college kids who tried the Prestige mid returned it after just a few hits as well because they were feeling uncomfortable hitting with a mid. Majority use Babs and play with completly different characteristics like todays college players do.

Phantom 93P has dreamy specs and I would love to try it. But like @Anton mentioned above, gotta keep expectations realistic - especially if coming from bigger head sizes and free power.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
You said above you played with 100sq inch for over a year and smaller head size feels like an advantage. My experience coming off a 100 is very different.
Yes but I did not say it plays like a 100. The advantage is the smaller head size is a lot faster and easier to do certain things with, like serve. I also said that I was keeping my Babolats as well. It's a give and take.

A young college player never grew up with a mid or 93. So it does not surprise me that they would not want try one now. But many of us did, and will enjoy a lot of the benefits of using it, at least some of the time.
 

haqq777

Legend
Yes but I did not say it plays like a 100
I said it is important to keep expectations realistic for those who have not grown up playing mids and smaller head sizes. Don't take it personally.

A young college player never grew up with a mid or 93. So it does not surprise me that they would not want try one now. But many of us did, and will enjoy a lot of the benefits of using it, at least some of the time.
Agreed. That is why I am keen on trying it myself.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I said it is important to keep expectations realistic for those who have not grown up playing mids and smaller head sizes. Don't take it personally.
That's fine, but you used the word disingenuous, which most people are going to take personally.

Should you try it? Absolutely. Maybe you will beat some of those kids with it. You never know.
 

haqq777

Legend
That's fine, but you used the word disingenuous, which most people are going to take personally.
Did I tag your quote? No I did not. It was a general statement which you started to respond to out of the blue and taking personally. Take a chill pill. Nothing wrong in having opinions.

Should you try it? Absolutely. Maybe you will beat some of those kids with it. You never know.
I already do (every now and then). Using a 330g stock TC100. Buying 93P more for fun.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Did I tag your quote? No I did not. It was a general statement which you started to respond to out of the blue and taking personally. Take a chill pill. Nothing wrong in having opinions.
I literally asked you who you were talking about and you said it was me.lol. Am I missing something here? That is the definition of personally. If you were talking about others too that's completely fine. I just don't think or hope that anyone actually thinks this frame will plays like a 100, so I doubt you have to worry about that.
 

haqq777

Legend
I literally asked you who you were talking about and you said it was me.lol. Am I missing something here
The part about disingenuous was not aimed at you, dude. I know/follow your posts here on TW, why would I be disrespectful like that? That part was to simply say that keep expectations real, it will not play like a 100. The part about playing with 100 and coming to 93, yes that was for you and that was because I went through the same thing, like I mentioned. Hope that clarifies my post.

And I pretty sure your average weekend player playing a Bab is going to get disappointed with 93P if they haven't played smaller frames. Not rocket science there. This is a special players frame and will probably end up more in the bag for these guys.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
The part about disingenuous was not aimed at you, dude. I know/follow your posts here on TW, why would I be disrespectful like that? That part was to simply say that keep expectations real, it will not play like a 100. The part about playing with 100 and coming to 93, yes that was for you and that was because I went through the same thing, like I mentioned. Hope that clarifies my post.
Ok, no worries then. I am keeping my 100s as well, but the mid is more fun for me than having something in the middle that tries do both. I guess I either want some serious pop or focused precision. Currently, I am preferring the latter.
 

haqq777

Legend
Ok, no worries then. I am keeping my 100s as well, but the mid is more fun for me than having something in the middle that tries do both. I guess I either want some serious pop or focused precision. Currently, I am preferring the latter.
Something about the high you get on a clean contact in a smaller frame. Sweet spot may be smaller, but does it feel good with the thwack!
 

AndrewD

Legend
Hi guys,

Can anyone compare the new 93 and 100/100P to the old Diablo Mid and Midplus?

I realise the Diablo Mid had a higher stiffness and the Diablo MP had a slighly extended length but, those aside, I was wondering if there's any common ground.
 

Faris

Professional
Hi guys,

Can anyone compare the new 93 and 100/100P to the old Diablo Mid and Midplus?

I realise the Diablo Mid had a higher stiffness and the Diablo MP had a slighly extended length but, those aside, I was wondering if there's any common ground.
I have played with a borrowed 93P recently and I own the tour Diablo mid. Different mold altogether. The Phantom is way more buttery smooth. It also has more heft and feels more solid on impact. Diablo feel more raw and 93p feels refined on groundstrokes...
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
One thing i am noticing about the mid is that it is easier to play at a heavier weight. A 100 weighted up can get sluggish pretty fast but so far the 93 is easy to play with.

I say this because my scale sucks and puts off variants of 5 grams. My 93 actually does weigh 350 with ovrip. Realized that today. I could not even tell. I would have guessed it to be 10 grams lighter.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
One thing i am noticing about the mid is that it is easier to play at a heavier weight. A 100 weighted up can get sluggish pretty fast but so far the 93 is easy to play with.

I say this because my scale sucks and puts off variants of 5 grams. My 93 actually does weigh 350 with ovrip. Realized that today. I could not even tell. I would have guessed it to be 10 grams lighter.
Order placed lol I can’t believe I am becoming a prince guy I had textreme 100p (little too much pop) and now phantoms. Angells have not been used since I got prince frames...I’ll definitely compare tc95 with prince93 and ultra tour LaMonf special lol...

I did notice the same thing you noticed now when I used ps85/prestige classic 600 and prestige you Tek 93 and volkl mid...At almost any weight they don’t feel heavy
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Order placed lol I can’t believe I am becoming a prince guy I had textreme 100p (little too much pop) and now phantoms. Angells have not been used since I got prince frames...I’ll definitely compare tc95 with prince93 and ultra tour LaMonf special lol...

I did notice the same thing you noticed now when I used ps85/prestige classic 600 and prestige you Tek 93 and volkl mid...At almost any weight they don’t feel heavy
Awesome. I think you will really enjoy this frame a lot, but lets see. Everyone is different.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
The playsight results in the video were really interesting. Troy and Chris showed significantly less spin and / or pace versus their modern frames, which is what I would expect, but Michelle and Mark had comparable numbers. In fact, Mark had a tiny bit more pace but a ton less spin with his Blade SW104.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I said to myself if any company ever brings soft frames back I’ll support it
Yes I think this is an under-represented market and yet with so many over 40 players out there, the companies are really doing a dis-service to the tennis world by foisting tweener after tweener on the populace.

I'll be supporting this kind of effort from Prince with my wallet in hopes that this kind of thing continues. I've got so many friends with Babolats and arm issues, it's becoming an epidemic. The average 40 something rec player has neither the technique nor tendon strength to put up with those light stiff frames filled with polyester.
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
Order placed lol I can’t believe I am becoming a prince guy I had textreme 100p (little too much pop) and now phantoms. Angells have not been used since I got prince frames...I’ll definitely compare tc95 with prince93 and ultra tour LaMonf special lol...

I did notice the same thing you noticed now when I used ps85/prestige classic 600 and prestige you Tek 93 and volkl mid...At almost any weight they don’t feel heavy
Curious to hear your thoughts. Also have a TC95, TT95, Ultra Tour.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Has Prince made a mid flexier than this one?
Prince Graphite Pro 90 (later renamed Graphite Pro Series 90).

According to some TT post, flex under 50 has been recorded, but it's in now way a noodle. I still have my two from the mind 80s, and I'd bet they're not miles away from the 93P. with the exception of the string pattern. Almost identical shape as the 93P. I preferred it to the PS97S tbh. Spin and slice monster with great control, due to the small headsize. Flat beam, about 17-17,5 mm.
 

darklore009

Hall of Fame
now im tempted to get it now. I did hold onto it @ indian wells on friday and I wanted to buy it. Sadly my dad was discouraging me to from getting it; despite there was a $10 discount compared to what they advertise in the website.
 
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