Prince Phantom 97P Review / Discussion

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Reading between the lines, it seems like the new 97P was the least favorite new Phantom for the TW playtesters. Disappointing, since I tend to gravitate towards that 97 / 98 head size. Then again, I liked the Beast 98 which a couple of the playtesters panned. Has anyone else tried the 97P and compared it against the other new Phantoms or other frames with similar specs?
I'm also considering the new 97P. What mods do you think would make it play better? I use the original 93P and love how it swings fast, yet has the heft to absorb power. Probably from being so HL. I just don't like the small head and sweet spot.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
The swing weight on the 97 is oddly lower than either of the 93P models and the 100P model. So it seems like a bit of lead would add some plow through. Maybe a bit at the tip or some at 3 and 9 to try to open up the sweet spot. TW also tends to string their test racquets around 52 or 53. I’d bet this frame would work well at a lower tension.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
What kind of stringing machine does TW use? If it's an ECM like. Babolat then I'll go really low, but if it's a manual, I'll go the usual tension I like.

Also, what kind of multi-filament string do you think would play well with the 97P? I've been using Babolat Xcel 17 at mid tension on my OG 93P, but the 93P is a semi-stiff racquet.

I'm wondering if Xcel would be too soft for the 97P. Since the 97P has a 16x18 string pattern, I'll go with 16 gauge. It's a bit too open for my tastes.
 

stephenclown

Professional
What kind of stringing machine does TW use? If it's an ECM like. Babolat then I'll go really low, but if it's a manual, I'll go the usual tension I like.

Also, what kind of multi-filament string do you think would play well with the 97P? I've been using Babolat Xcel 17 at mid tension on my OG 93P, but the 93P is a semi-stiff racquet.

I'm wondering if Xcel would be too soft for the 97P. Since the 97P has a 16x18 string pattern, I'll go with 16 gauge. It's a bit too open for my tastes.
I think the have a drop weight, not too sure. They could have also upgraded it over the years. Should be on their stringing videos on YouTube.

I think most multis will work fine. Excel is quite soft so it might need a slight bump in tension, try to aim for a tension in your previous frames that is higher power but still nice control and see how that fairs. I wouldn't dropread the tension too low though to begin. The 97P looks like it should play really well with gut combos which I may try again in the future starting ogsm mains poly cross to see how they respond first.

I find no issues with poly for power but the poly at 50 with 15% prestretch doesn't seem to play quite as well as the mid 40s. I might try 48 with a 10% and see how that goes.

93P is quite soft to me, I feel it has noticeable flex when I am hitting hard and it deals very well with heavy balls.the 97P feels much softer but more stable around the head, less flexing to draw away from the feel.

Quick update, backhand slice is fine. Higher tension might need a bump in swingweight as well. Quite happy with how the 97P is performing overall. No real issues so far. Alu purple is alright but missing that real feedback of the silver. Still better than nearly anything else on the market.
 

stephenclown

Professional
As for the TW reviews, I wouldn't read too much into it. The swingweight is
lower than what the frames the other players are using and it is also more of a control frame with high mass. I didn't like it quite as much stock and with poly in the 50s it takes away some of the feel. I feel it has a more even string bed in terms of forgiveness than the 93P and has much more spin but maintains incredible control.

I am disappointed they didn't really explore the choice of adding weight. It is a control oriented, soft, low swingweight frame with decent mass. Put lead at 12 and you are utilising the actual benefits of the construction of the thin beam with its feel.

The 100X 305 is heavily favoured due to 2 reviews pushing it up. I expect it to be a great racquet but the other reviews were more in line with the 97P.
 

neverwas

New User
Long time lurker here but I received my 97p 8 days ago and thought I could add some personal insight from my perspective. It's strung with RS Lyon at 47 from TW and had a chance to do a live ball drill and a doubles match with it so far. I really enjoy the racquet so far. My first impression out of the box was the head shape is very noticeably round. I felt you could really carve the ball with spin and adequate pace as long as you have a full swing. Volleys and overheads were amazing. Serving was great on slice and kick serves. Difficult to generate pace on flat serves for me. Regarding the comments and discussion on the small sweet spot, I was confused as well until hitting with it for several hours. For me, it seems less of a small sweet spot but more of an "ultra sweet spot". It's hard to explain, but there is a unique and intoxicating feeling of pure pocketing in tiny spot within the general sweet spot. I'm sure it sounds weird, but you may have to just experience it yourself. Just my thoughts....
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
I’m still trying to understand the positioning of the 97P in the lineup. The 93P (18x20) is the classic model, with great stability, precision, and some plow-through power but a lot of effort to use. The 93P (14x18) adds easier access to spin and depth, so it takes a little less effort but still requires good preparation and accurate contact. The 100P gives up maneuverability vs the 93P to add even more stability and plow-through power. It sounds like the 97P tries to retain the maneuverability of the 93P models at a lower weight and more forgiving head size, but gives up the plow-through power of the other frames. In that context, the “small sweet spot” comments are surprising since you would expect it to focus on being more forgiving than the smaller models, and those are supposed to feel larger than 93” suggests.

I should mention that two frames that I DON’T like in stock form are the VCore Pro 97 (310g) and Dunlop CX200. These are both lighter versions of classic-spec frames that end up coming off as gutless because they aren’t heavy enough to plow through the ball or lively enough in the head to make up for the missing power from their heavier parents. Is the 97P in that vein?
 

tennis347

Professional
I was mostly looking for a POG100 replacement, but just read in the Prince thread that Phantom Griphite 100 and107 are coming out!
Prince is sure not making it easy with all these options. I quite satisfied with the 100X 305. Definitely a nice all around racquet that is easy to use.
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
I’m still trying to understand the positioning of the 97P in the lineup. The 93P (18x20) is the classic model, with great stability, precision, and some plow-through power but a lot of effort to use. The 93P (14x18) adds easier access to spin and depth, so it takes a little less effort but still requires good preparation and accurate contact. The 100P gives up maneuverability vs the 93P to add even more stability and plow-through power. It sounds like the 97P tries to retain the maneuverability of the 93P models at a lower weight and more forgiving head size, but gives up the plow-through power of the other frames. In that context, the “small sweet spot” comments are surprising since you would expect it to focus on being more forgiving than the smaller models, and those are supposed to feel larger than 93” suggests.

I should mention that two frames that I DON’T like in stock form are the VCore Pro 97 (310g) and Dunlop CX200. These are both lighter versions of classic-spec frames that end up coming off as gutless because they aren’t heavy enough to plow through the ball or lively enough in the head to make up for the missing power from their heavier parents. Is the 97P in that vein?
I too was trying to figure out how the 97P was fitting between the PP100P and both 93P's, with which I have significant experience. And I am not sure that the feedback that I am reading is convincing me that it is markedly better than the PP100P, though one would expect it to be slightly more manoeuvrable.

As for the CX200, at least for the Tour 16x19 version, I wouldn't be as harsh as you. These frames lack static weight in stock form, but I think that they are designed with customization in mind. I think of them as commercially available pro stock frames, that can be tuned to specs. I have put 2g of lead at 3 and 9 (4g in total) and 2g in the butt cap, and it plays extremely well with this set up. Very high quality stick. My only gripe is that the launch angle is a bit too low for a 16x19.
 

tennis347

Professional
Don't think I agree with this...I had both and think the 93P has better stability and plow.
Off center hits on the 100P were more harsh...
I strongly agree that the off center hits on the PP 100P were definitely harsh on the arm. Otherwise, it was a solid racquet IMO.
 

stephenclown

Professional



I'm back, finally got some tennis in away from the fires and rain. Everyone who I have played with and had a hit with the 97P feels that the 97P just feels great and has an effortless power. With the weight added it really brings the best out of the frame. I would guess 3-4 grams are under the bumper one strip each side at 12.

I might go get it swingweighted shortly to to see how close it is to my 93Ps.

Really enjoying the mid 40s with Alu Power. Even though the purple is missing that special response of the silver Alu, it still produces a similar ball although with a slightly lower amount of bite. It also seems to have plenty of power and feel is still better than most other strings. The colour is the redeeming factor, looks really nice but would be cooler in a lighter purple.

With regards to the sweet spot, with lead added it has this incredible centre of the bed that is silky smooth and outside that is smooth too but not quite as good. I would say the inside is by far the best of any frame I have played and outside is still better than most other racquets. Closer to edges is average like most racquets. A small disclaimer is that it was not as good with HD Aster, Firestorm or Pro Line Evolution.

How is everyone going with the Phantoms?
 

stephenclown

Professional
How big do you think the sweet spot is? Baseball? Grapefruit? Basketball?
Hard to tell honestly, I feel like it has a larger and a more responsive sweet spot than the 93P which I usually string mid 30s. I would say the sweet zone is closer to a large grapefruit, maybe 13cm diameter? (Inside outer 2 mains) My ballstriking is very consistent with the 97P so I find that the sweet spot is more than ample. I also hit with a lot of power so the area is maybe larger than someone who has a slower head speed. I max out serving at around 190 with the 93P and the 97P gives more free power so looking forward to when my shoulder recovers.

If anything, in stock form the sweet spot is pushed low. The hoop is more of a classic shape, very similar width to the 93P but plays much larger. I think the room around 4 to 8 has dragged it a little low. If this is true, then I expect this is causing most of the issues with reviews and would require low 40s to help without adding weight and a string like PTP for softness around the edges. The weight I have added helped has improved the response at the top of the string bed.

My miss is usually a high strike rather than off centre so I merely see a loss of power and feel rather than too much side to side variance. Others may need lead at 2 and 10 stacked to bring the sweet spot up and out.
 
I got the new Phantom 100P and was able to play with it twice this past weekend. In the first session, I played it stock with a Wilson Pro overgrip and a dampener...in the second, I added a Head leather grip, and kept the overgrip and dampener.

Here are some thoughts:

  • It absolutely feels more stable and solid than the prior-generation PP100P. @Prince Tennis Official , nice job on deciding to add Twaron - it seems to have worked!
  • There is a little more pop from the frame. I was able to hit forehands that seemed to have more pace than those hit with my old PP100P.
  • It plays a touch more crisp all-around than the prior version, but it's not harsh at all. I think the amount of feedback is perfect.
  • This is a very comfortable racquet. I played with it for almost 4 and a half hours over two days and had zero arm/elbow/etc. pain. I was worried about the Twaron stiffening up the frame because I could not handle the TT100 310 as it caused my elbow to really flare up. However, the racquet flexes beautifully and is not harsh.
  • Like the previous generation, the feel is tremendous. Touch shots, slices, and volleys are incredible. I don't think I could ever go back to a rounded beam racquet...this box beam is seductive.
  • The level of control is very good. I was able to both flatten out shots and hit heavy topspin. I was hitting most of my targets.
  • Plenty of spin and pop on serves. My timing was a little off, probably because I tailweighted it with a leather grip and haven't adjusted to that yet.
This is a really nice racquet. I enjoyed it a lot more than the new Phantom Pro 100X 305, which is a fantastic frame in most respects but lacks the classic feel of the Pro line.

My only criticism would be the paint job. While it looks absolutely beautiful, I already have a couple of small paint chips. It seems pretty delicate. That said, I buy racquets to use on the court, not to look at on my wall!
 

tennis347

Professional
I got the new Phantom 100P and was able to play with it twice this past weekend. In the first session, I played it stock with a Wilson Pro overgrip and a dampener...in the second, I added a Head leather grip, and kept the overgrip and dampener.

Here are some thoughts:

  • It absolutely feels more stable and solid than the prior-generation PP100P. @Prince Tennis Official , nice job on deciding to add Twaron - it seems to have worked!
  • There is a little more pop from the frame. I was able to hit forehands that seemed to have more pace than those hit with my old PP100P.
  • It plays a touch more crisp all-around than the prior version, but it's not harsh at all. I think the amount of feedback is perfect.
  • This is a very comfortable racquet. I played with it for almost 4 and a half hours over two days and had zero arm/elbow/etc. pain. I was worried about the Twaron stiffening up the frame because I could not handle the TT100 310 as it caused my elbow to really flare up. However, the racquet flexes beautifully and is not harsh.
  • Like the previous generation, the feel is tremendous. Touch shots, slices, and volleys are incredible. I don't think I could ever go back to a rounded beam racquet...this box beam is seductive.
  • The level of control is very good. I was able to both flatten out shots and hit heavy topspin. I was hitting most of my targets.
  • Plenty of spin and pop on serves. My timing was a little off, probably because I tailweighted it with a leather grip and haven't adjusted to that yet.
This is a really nice racquet. I enjoyed it a lot more than the new Phantom Pro 100X 305, which is a fantastic frame in most respects but lacks the classic feel of the Pro line.

My only criticism would be the paint job. While it looks absolutely beautiful, I already have a couple of small paint chips. It seems pretty delicate. That said, I buy racquets to use on the court, not to look at on my wall!
Good to hear that you find another new Phantom to your liking. I have played with 100x 305 3 times and really like it. Still need more time with it to see if I will be switching. I knew that the 100x 305 would have a plusher feel than the new PP 100P. I have added 2 grams at 12 and the butt of the handle on the 100x 305. This little customization brought this frame alive, better feel and more pop.

It always takes a little time to dial in with a new racquet. I am sure that the PP 100P is a nice frame but I have no interest in buying any more racquets for a while. I want play with the 100x 305 for a bit and change the string set up and see where it leads me. Prince is definitely doing something spectacular with the new Phantom line. IMO the twaron does a great job of eliminating the vibration and shock to the arm.

Winter tennis in NY will continue later in the week with 40's temperature through next week.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Received my 97P demo yesterday. To my surprise, it still had the plastic wrap on the handle. Looks like I get freshies!!! Supposed to warm up tomorrow, looking forward to testing it out.

PS. Weighed in at 336gm and 6HL.
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
Tried the 97P. It's very much a player's racquet you'd expect from its specs. Precise and stable. Power is on the lower side. The only thing is it feels a bit muted. And the sweet spot feels averaged-sized.
 
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zipplock

Hall of Fame
Finally got to hit the 97P. One word, "plush". I must say, this is the quietest racquet I can remember hitting. This may have been a trick, but because of how soft and quiet the racquet is, the entire head felt like a sweet spot to me. Groundstrokes were comfortable, easy spin, nice launch angle. Volleys were awesome, even got one of those old school drop volley where the racquet absorbs all the ball energy and it just barely goes over the net and dies. Slice was nice too.
Now, my only question mark. Serving was easy, but the ball was going about 6" longer than my racquet (Yonex VCP97 310). I was switching back and forth. Same swing, spin, shape on the serves, Yonex drops in, 97P just long. I didn't want to change my serve motion, so I stepped back the half foot off the baseline to get the serves in.
I'm looking forward to hitting more with the 97P, see about the serve glitch. Overall, pretty happy so far.
 

stephenclown

Professional
Finally got to hit the 97P. One word, "plush". I must say, this is the quietest racquet I can remember hitting. This may have been a trick, but because of how soft and quiet the racquet is, the entire head felt like a sweet spot to me. Groundstrokes were comfortable, easy spin, nice launch angle. Volleys were awesome, even got one of those old school drop volley where the racquet absorbs all the ball energy and it just barely goes over the net and dies. Slice was nice too.
Now, my only question mark. Serving was easy, but the ball was going about 6" longer than my racquet (Yonex VCP97 310). I was switching back and forth. Same swing, spin, shape on the serves, Yonex drops in, 97P just long. I didn't want to change my serve motion, so I stepped back the half foot off the baseline to get the serves in.
I'm looking forward to hitting more with the 97P, see about the serve glitch. Overall, pretty happy so far.
Glad to hear ur enjoying it. Agree with the feel, never hit anything like it, feel is incredibly smooth and also responsive.

Similar thing with the serving initially, also took a little bit to get it dialled in. Once it was dialled in I have had great success with serving and got back the accuracy of the 93P that I had but with more power.

What did you string it with?
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Glad to hear ur enjoying it. Agree with the feel, never hit anything like it, feel is incredibly smooth and also responsive.

Similar thing with the serving initially, also took a little bit to get it dialled in. Once it was dialled in I have had great success with serving and got back the accuracy of the 93P that I had but with more power.

What did you string it with?
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Glad to hear ur enjoying it. Agree with the feel, never hit anything like it, feel is incredibly smooth and also responsive.

Similar thing with the serving initially, also took a little bit to get it dialled in. Once it was dialled in I have had great success with serving and got back the accuracy of the 93P that I had but with more power.

What did you string it with?
It's a TW demo. They strung it with Prince Diablo Pro 16L. Feels mid tension. First time hitting the string. Works well in that racquet.
 

GripItNRipIt

New User
I will add a few thoughts after a first hit today with the 97P. Just got it a couple of days ago, and had TW string it with ALU Power silver 16L at 48/46. Hitting session with my coach for an hour; it was about 50 degrees F in Arkansas today. Session was warmup rallies, crosscourt forehand and backhand drills. I'll compare it to the 93P, my primary sticks.

Beautiful racquet! First time with it in the sun and the purplish black or whatever is striking. Balance felt (to me) about the same as the 93P; both racquets have a Tourna MegaTac grip and electrical tape over the head bumper. Very subjective here, but it felt ever so slightly bulkier swinging, but not enough to matter to me.

As others have said, it's very plush. I've never used ALU Power before, and I would rate it as "okay" compared to the Kirschbaum Explosive Speed 18 that I use daily. String didn't feel harsh at all in this racquet. It actually hit very similar to the 93P on groundstrokes with two exceptions for me. 1) I could get a lot sharper angles on crosscourt, both sides; and 2) I was getting very good spin, but my deep shots were often just outside the baseline, whereas the 93P tends to drop the ball in pretty consistently.

I could take a low ball and slice it to good effect. High ball slice wasn't working for me; I'll have to keep hitting to see what's up, maybe a little lead at 12?

Still want to serve with it and do some net play before making a final comparison, but on groundstrokes, I would argue power is about the same as 93P, spin slightly higher (better angles), but a little bit more launch to dial down.

If it serves good angles with a little more pop than the 93P, then it goes in the bag as a doubles racquet. For me, it still does not supplant the 93P as a singles racquet, which I find is laser precise, but it's very very good.

I'm 54, strong 3.5 playing mostly 4.0 events.
 

Tao69

Rookie
I had a hit a few weeks ago with @stephenclown, I quite enjoyed the forgiveness, higher launch angle and the more accessible spin when compared to the 93P; it highlights how demanding the 93P actually is. I didn't think there was any major compromise to be made If I switched, just some minor adjustments.

I wasn't going to buy one (thinking I'd transition to the PP100 18x20 I have), but I woke up yesterday to a 20% Australia Day discount on TennisOnly and figured the universe had spoken, should be here in a few days.
 

tennis347

Professional
Definitely enjoyed
Definitely enjoyed the podcast on the new Phantom line. IMO Prince doesn't get enough credit for making thin beam racquets with great feel in various head sizes and swing weights. I have been playing with the 100x 305 and really enjoy the great along playability and being very user friendly. The sweet spot is very forgiving and it's easy to generate racquet speed with good spin. There's also a nice balance of power and control. I can't find any weaknesses with the 100x 305. Definitely an upgrade across the board from the prior version. I added 2 grams of lead at 12 as well as 2 grams at the butt of the handle. There's now ample swing weight and nice snap on my strokes. Kudos to Prince!
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I may get a 97P and need some advice. I hate messing with lead tape or any modifications, I like frames in stock form. The only changes I make are changing the grips, usually to leather if I want more heft.

Since many have said the 97P feels anemic, what specs should I ask to be hand picked? One that has the heaviest static weight? The most head heavy? The highest swing weight? All three criteria?

Bear in mind, I can always add a leather grip, but it seems more weight, either static or virtual is needed for power at the head.
 

stephenclown

Professional
I may get a 97P and need some advice. I hate messing with lead tape or any modifications, I like frames in stock form. The only changes I make are changing the grips, usually to leather if I want more heft.

Since many have said the 97P feels anemic, what specs should I ask to be hand picked? One that has the heaviest static weight? The most head heavy? The highest swing weight? All three criteria?

Bear in mind, I can always add a leather grip, but it seems more weight, either static or virtual is needed for power at the head.
I would suggest a higher swingweight being prioritised if you are unlikely to add weight under the grommets. The stock grip is a hybrid and it is heavier than most other grips that come as a standard so slightly above spec weight won't matter much at all.



Tried out a Syn gut hybrid with poly cross before I dive back into using gut. Hybrid is great in this frame. The 97P reminds me of how well the RF97/PS90 plays with hybrids to enhance the control and spin of the frame by adding some extra power to drop the launch angle. Don't think I will go back to full poly with this one. Flat balls have some more juice, feel is even better and touch has improved. Just have to buy some gut now...

OG Sheep Micro 1.30 @ 55 / Pro Line Evolution @ 50
 

WillGinRVA

New User
One thing I didn’t like about my previous gen 18x20 100 Phantom is how the middle of the stringbed felt like a trampoline even at my normal tension and string. I’m hopeful the 97P with the smaller head won’t feel this way, however what concerns me is the head looks pretty round. Anyone have thoughts they can provide?
 

jbdbackfan

Rookie
If the original Phantoms played great with a hybrid, I can't wait to try these with better playability. Real shame Prince doesn't make the Premier Control in 15 gauge anymore. That string was absolutely perfect as a cross in the 16x18 patterns.
 

Hypergxtraspin

New User
So I am in love with the prince 97p.. its perfect in every way... I come from the Prince Pro Phantom 18x20/ PS97A.... I have loved the feel of the 18x20 but my biggest erk was the 100 size head just felt so awkward and big... This 97p is the perfect in between of the 93p and the 100s. Also the 97p being so light in swingwieght really allows you to customize it to perfection unlike the PS97A where you cant really get to much more on it without being unplayable. The 97p is perfect with a Fairway leather grip...7 grams of putty in the handle and 2 grams at 12 o clock. comes in in the 355g range strung/overgrip.. just 9 grams lighter than the PS97A. It shines in the soft feel and no pain in shoulder or wrist. Also the faster racket head speed compared to the PS97A ... Amazing stick and I do believe the reviews on TW testers were way off and underrated.. If they added some wieght and tape in the right places this is the best stick I have played with in a while... I use pro signum xperience 16g at 48lbs.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
I had my first hit with a Phantom 97P demo today. It came strung with Prince Premier Control at fairly high tension, which I am sure affected my perception of the spin potential. I went to the gym for an hour, but I was eager to try my demos so I grabbed a ball machine for an hour afterwards. Because I was already tired, I mostly took easy feeds and worked on my strokes, so I was able to evaluate the behaviors of the different sticks fairly precisely but not form an opinion about how well I could play with them under pressure.

This Phantom felt smoother and more muted than the 93P, but maybe not quite as soft as my first-gen Phantom Pro 100 18x20s. It accelerated easily, and my shots were really penetrating the court well but I was not getting as much topspin as I am used to with my Tour Bite equipped Pure Aero Plus 2019. No surprise there. It definitely seemed in the same vein as the 93P where it would be suitable for an attacking game. I would definitely want to try it with a hybrid at a bit lower tension to get some pocketing and spin.

Tomorrow I am going to do some friendly point-play with a solid group of guys and rotate among the different racquets. The other two I am trying, by the way, are the new Dunlop SX 300 and the Pure Aero Tour (2019). Definitely some different specs on those sticks, but I have a soft spot for a heavy, thin beam, flexibility, and head light balance so I hope the Phantom 97P works well in competition. Next time I go out I will also hit it back-to-back with my Blade v7 16x19, which is a bit more of a natural competitor than these other racquets. I think my early opinion is that the Phantom is a bit more to my taste since it feels more solid and more maneuverable at the same time.
 

Tao69

Rookie
I managed to get in 2 hours with my 97P tonight, no small feat given the torrential rain thats about at the moment. I warmed up with the 93P (full bed of gut) but once I switched I was really impressed, its strung up with LXN Smart @42lbs and it felt easier on the arm than the 93P; really happy about that. My 93P comes in at 351grams, the 97P came in at 338grams after I put on a fairway grip and overgrip, so plenty of room for customisation; needs a little lead at 12 I'd say.

Really enjoyed it on serve, could get the ball to really dip and bite, not as heavy a ball and not as pinpoint, but I can work with greater angles and kick. On return I thought it came through the air nicely, very manoeuvrable. No complaints so far.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
I've played a couple more hours with the 97P. I really like the depth and pace I am able to get out of it. My hitting partner remarked that he wasn't getting many short balls to attack. And it's just sooo comfortable. I grew up with racquets of similar ilk so it's very easy to pick up and use even though I am using a very different frame, the Pure Aero Plus, as my go-to racquet right now.

However, I can see small drop in power and a big drop in spin compared to my PA+ and the other racquets I'm testing at the same time (Dunlop SX 300, Pure Aero Tour). I especially notice it on the serve. The demo is strung at fairly high tension with Prince Premier Control, so I'm thinking about how I'd adjust the strings if I were playing this racquet long term. If I go full poly to get spin, I will lose even more power and some of the plushness. I'm trying to decide between maybe dropping the tension, switching to a different multi, or possibly trying a hybrid. Thoughts?
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I'm trying to decide between maybe dropping the tension, switching to a different multi, or possibly trying a hybrid.
Dropping tension: Firstly, at the current tension, how do you find your control and spin levels? Dropping tension will add some power but will also allow the strings to move more and may affect your control and add further spin. If you think things will be ok on this front, then it is an option.

Different Multi: I don't have a huge amount of experience with Multis, but putting in a more powerful multi would increase your power, but then that other multi might perform differently in other categories and cause other issues... or solve them all for you. What I'm trying to say here, is that unless you try a multi you are familiar with and have played with in other racquets, you might just be adding additional confusion if things are not just right. Is it the other multi that is not right, or the tension again, or both.

Trying a Hybrid: This might be an option for you with gut in the Mains adding power... but similar as with the Multis, only use Hybrids you may have tried before as you know how they have performed for you in the past... or be prepared to experiment for a prolonged period until you find the Hybrid that works based on previous pairings that you may have tried.

Another option would be to add small amounts of weight at 3,9, and 12 o'clock and counter-balance them with an equal amount of weight at 7" above the butt cap. That will add power, stability, increase the sweet spot, and still keep the same balance as stock.

I hope this was helpful.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I'm a full bed multi user. What gauge and tension would work best with the 97P? I currently play with Xcel 17 at mid tension on the original 93P strung on a manual lock out. One problem I have with 93P is that when tension goes, so does my control as spin isn't as easy to impart to keep the ball in, but I can't go too high or else it feels like a board and I lose that ball pocketing feel.
 

jbdbackfan

Rookie
Hit with the 100X 16x18 for a week demo. Loved the feel compared to the original Phantom Pro 100. The feel was just better. Going back to Pro yesterday almost felt like a racquet with no feel, and not in a good way. Going back to the Pro I was just not executing shots as well as I was with the demo. I have my Pro weighted up too at 10 and 2 and didn't customize the demo, so that obviously could be part to blame, but the feel on the new 100X is so much more connected.

Need to try the 18x20 and see how that plays, but this update to the Phantom line has made the entire line better in my opinion.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
I will say that the Prince Premier Control in the demo racquet moves like crazy. I am straightening the strings between every point. The Phantoms remind me of 80s era frames, but this string also reminds me of 80s era synthetic gut. That's probably not a good thing although I will say it's quite usable.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
I couldn’t resist. I‘ve been sitting on a TW gift card since Christmas, and instead of doing something sensible like some good shoes and a case of balls, I ordered a Phantom 97P. I need another frame like a hole in the head, but it was so silky smooth during my demo that I couldn’t resist. I have the feeling I will win more matches with my Pure Aero Plus (2019) but I will try to at least work the Phantom into friendly matches and practices.
 
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