Both models are out on the TW Europe site along with the specs. The flex is not listed both is around RA 60. I am sure that TW will also have them up early 2018. I am expecting to get both models for testing soon. I will post a review as soon as I get the chance. The frames are really nice looking. The frames have what I consider to be the perfect weight and balance for the majority of players without having to customise. Specs and appearance look really super.