They might make a last minute strategy change down the track depending on success in the US and Europe. Either sales do well and try expand or they do bad and try salvage the Australian market. I for one have been extremely lucky and managed to get a PP100P. First outing will be next week.
Prince Phantom Pro and Phantom Pro100P
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They might make a last minute strategy change down the track depending on success in the US and Europe. Either sales do well and try expand or they do bad and try salvage the Australian market. I for one have been extremely lucky and managed to get a PP100P. First outing will be next week.
counterpuncher
Hall of Fame
Like a lot of racquets that don't make it down under you can always go the auction site, buy used or use a US mail forwarding service. Also sometimes TW Europe doesn't have the same restrictions.
DJ-
Hall of Fame
I have bought phantoms from TW usa without issues for delivery to Melb..
loosegroove
Hall of Fame
Phantom Pro 100P A+ condition with 3/8 grip $165 up for sale in TW used section. Thought someone here might be interested.
loosegroove
Hall of Fame
And it's gone. Who was it?
loosegroove
Hall of Fame
Wow, that's a high score. Kind of surprised to be honest, as that's among the highest scores I've seen posted. Bumped up by the fact that playtester Kristen was so smitten. If it were a little higher in stiffness (say 59ish) with a slightly thicker beam, I think it could be great. It could add a little pop and stability, while still maintaining buttery low flex and a thin beam.
loosegroove
Hall of Fame
Yeah, not a great serving racket. That trait goes back to the EXO3 Tour and Tour 100 etc.
The flex definitely throws people off. I got used to it with my Tour 100. But that's an area where the PP100P stands up well due to it's high
59 rating.BTW, all of the Phantoms are up on the Tennis Learning Center. It's interesting to see their stats. But Prince standards the PP100P is a beast (sorry for the bad pun).
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Not everyone can handle your Mjolnir's Shroud. I'm happy with my noodly Phantom.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
Hit with a phantom on tuesday. Hit pretty well. No power and it flexed like crazy. Really disconcerting. Why people put up with that and actually like that is beyond me.
It was strung with premier control which was a big problem too.
Can anyone offer their thoughts on the Phantom 100 vs Phantom Pro 100? I have now tried Phantom 100 and Phantom Pro 100P and prefer the Phantom 100. Unfortunately, the Phantom Pro 100 is not available in Canada. What are the big noticeable difference between the Phantom 100 vs Phantom Pro 100? Many thanks.
Shroud
Talk Tennis Guru
I think @Papa Mango knows. If he is t too busy stirring up the tech industry he might chime in
edelp
Semi-Pro
another nice review for the phantom series... whatever the scores really mean for one, at the end, Prince having, since some time, again nice frames, nice reviews, people talking again about them.
I am happy, always liked somehow Prince frames. Liked the Textremes, Phantom Pro 100...
Yeh they are doing some great stuff. I'm sure they have more in the pipeline too
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I wonder about power
Prince power level vs TW power rating
PP100 - 775 vs 81
PP100P - 800 vs 74
To me the PP100P sould have more power than the PP100 due to higher stifness and more mass. I only tried the P100 (ported version) and the PP100P and the later had much more power.
Prince power level vs TW power rating
PP100 - 775 vs 81
PP100P - 800 vs 74
To me the PP100P sould have more power than the PP100 due to higher stifness and more mass. I only tried the P100 (ported version) and the PP100P and the later had much more power.
ProRadTour
Professional
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The PP100 for me is more lively, and has a much nicer feel with a generous sweet spot. For me, the PP100P is a very lowered frame, with what seems like gold ball for a sweet spot. I had it strung at 52 which is my normal go to, but maybe this frame needs mid to low 40's.
Sorry - does that mean you regard the sweetspot is very small? What strings di you have in it?
Yeh I didn't notice a small sweetspot on the PP100P at all. It has a more direct feeling that the PP100, you can feel exactly where the ball is on the string bed and as a result it's easier to notice when you've not hit a great shot. Maybe that is what is being felt, but I personally enjoyed that feeling.
I agree with the Tennis Learning Center's assessment of the rackets over the T-Dub reviews. Granted, these are based on the reviewers' subjective assumptions. I feel the PP100P is clearly more powerful of the three rackets, and I agree with Tiffani's comment about it vis-a-vis the TT100P. I think its sweetspot is rather large - TLC puts it the same at the Tour (oport) series. Again, I think they all are decent rackets, but I wonder about a little grade inflation for the PP100.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I agree its lower powered. I string it with origin at 55 lbs and Velocity crosses at 52 lbs. In my PD+ that would be a rocket launcher set up. The flex is awesome in my view as it gives a buttery soft feeling. Like hitting with a pillow. Can swing all day with it and my elbow and wrist never feel strained.
I think it was a huge adjustment going from modern tweeners to the Phantom, but now that I've made the adjustment, I find the racket is pretty awesome at a lot of things. Spins as good as any tweener. Volleys and slices like a control frame. Does well with Multis and doesn't need poly to tame it. Wicked slice serves. So I'm sold but it did take a month or two to really gel with this kind of racket.
Which are you using, P100 or PP100?
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I'm an early adopter so I have the Phantom 100. I do like the muted feel the ports provide. Although I'm keenly interested in the Phantom 93P, so I might want to pick one up for doubles play where precision is more important to me.
ProRadTour
Professional
Yeah, my impression has been it has a small sweet spot. I have it strung with Poly Tour Pro @ 52. Will try another string setup soon and report back. How do you have yours strung?
DanS
Semi-Pro
Yeah... Personally I'd start with 45 and work your way down!
PBODY99
Legend
@ProRadTour
I strung my Phantom @ 52 lbs , but with Gamma Fat Core 1.30mm, a non-poly
I strung my Phantom @ 52 lbs , but with Gamma Fat Core 1.30mm, a non-poly
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
52 lbs is a great starting point for a multi in the Phantoms. For a poly, no higher than 48 and probably low 40's might be best for some folks.
Highest I've gone is 55 with Origin but that is about as powerful a string as I've found. I'd normally run it 58-60 in a tweeter.
Highest I've gone is 55 with Origin but that is about as powerful a string as I've found. I'd normally run it 58-60 in a tweeter.
ProRadTour
Professional
In the PP100 and P100 52 with Poly Tour Pro 1.25 is great for me. In the PP100p not as great. I have just strung up the PP100p with RS Lyon 1.20 @ 45. Interested to see how the PP100p will play with the new setup, have read good things about RS Lyon.
Played earlier today with the PP100p with the Poly Tour Pro setup and I actually played really well with it. It's just my expectation or hope was that it would have a similar response from the string-bed like the PP100 given the same head size and string pattern. But the box beam and higher RA really make it a completely different animal, it doesn't just feel slightly stiffer, it feels a lot stiffer. It's all subjective, but this has been my experience with the PP100p. Also, for me the box beam seems to produce a lower launch angle than the other phantoms which might also account for my impression of the PP100p being a lower powered frame.
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DanS
Semi-Pro
Probably much better! That 7 pounds will make a world of difference!
Chris from TW says string it with poly in the low 40s. Maybe try that and see if the sweetspot opens?
Are all 3 phantoms 10.9 oz unstrung per label on racquet?
Tordne
Semi-Pro
P100 and PP100P are listed as 310 grams, and PP100 is 305 grams.
Thanks. I am tempted to order a PP100 without trying; I have tried the other two and notice PP100P has more power, feels a tad heavier,but is a bit stiffer. You have made comments that PP100 has more power than P100. I enjoy the comfort of P100 as well. PP100 not available in my country to try demo.
Tordne
Semi-Pro
I have all of them. I really love the P100 but it is very low powered. Comparing the P100 and PP100 with the same string, tension and customised spec, the PP100 was considerably more powerful for me. But still very low powered compared to other rackets. If my elbow caused me to “have” to settle on the PP100 I’d try dropping tension from the 48lb I was at to around 40 or even 35lb.
At the moment I’m rediscovering my love affair with the Prestige. The Graphene Touch Prestige MP is fantastic. Admittedly I’ve increased the SW to just over 330, but it has better feel than the Graphene XT, Graphene and even the IG.
Tordne
Semi-Pro
I only do 2-piece and had no issues at all with the holes on the PP100P (or any Phantom actually). The tie offs are nicely marked (love that about Prince and Head frames), so you sure you're getting the right hole?
Use a razor blade to shave off the tip of the string. Make it as thin as possible.
The mains you start at bottom. Then did crosses top down. Once got to last cross at bottom string would not fit in cross tie off marker. Do you have a pic of your 2 piece job?
The mains you start at bottom. Then did crosses top down. Once got to last cross at bottom string would not fit in cross tie off marker. Do you have a pic of your two piece job? Never had this problem before.
The mains you start at bottom. Then did crosses top down. Once got to last cross at bottom string would not fit in cross tie off marker. Do you have a pic of your two piece job? Never had this problem before.
Can’t even fit the awl through
