Prince Phantom Pro and Phantom Pro100P

dgoran

Hall of Fame
After having a break for about 3 weeks with a knee injury I went out for a very light hit last night. I was hoping to make my selection of the Head Graphene Touch Prestige MP or the Yonex VCORE Pro 97 (330). I won't go into details as that's not what this thread is about. But suffice to say last night I just wasn't feeling either of those rackets.

I brought out the Phantom Pro 100 that I've played a lot with, and was going to be my backstop if I had elbow niggles (which I did feel with those other couple of rackets). Immediately noticed and greatly appreciated the softer feel and comfort. And this is taking into account the same Völkl Cyclone 18L string (Sergetti stringing) in all of my rackets. Spin also increased, and I was also getting more natural depth. Interesting!

I had the 100P in the bag as well and customised to my specs. So I thought why not? Not quite as comfortable as the PP100 but by no means uncomfortable (in this short hit anyway). Spin production as good as , or perhaps a little better than, the PP100. Good depth also. My hitting partner commented that the one additional thing they were seeing was more weight of ball, causing them more problem that the Prestige, VCORE or PP100.

Due to the reservations of the knee I was essentially doing zero footwork last night as a precaution. I'm actually so excited to take this racket out for a more complete hit just as soon as I'm able to.
I think the real value and strength of Phantom Pro is that you don't have to be out there playing 24-7 to be able to play good tennis with it.
 

donnayblack99

Semi-Pro
I demo'd the Phantom Pro 100P last night and played in my 5.5 league match against a Div 2 college kid using a Pure Aero. He hits with huge spin off both sides and likes to play aggressive from the baseline. I play an old school, all court game using angles, touch and patients to beat my opponents. I'm in my early 40s and former Div 1 player myself. I beat this kid 6-4, 6-3. The Phantom allowed my to swing out on short shots from inside the baseline and put the ball on a dime, which I couldn't do with my old Pure Aero Plus. I could dump the ball short and force him to hit up, I could drop shot him and force him to move from 5 feet behind the baseline, and I could play strike first tennis while on serve, using my serve to force a week return and either volley a winner, or hit an approach shot. I've been playing with a PureAero Plus, which has been giving me great power, however I've had to adjust my strokes and not swing out as much from inside the court. Plus, it was starting to bother my shoulder and elbow. While the PP100P isn't going to give me easy put away power like a typical Babolat, I will save my aging shoulder, elbow and wrist, while allowing me to play at a high level.

The sweet spot is huge, and there is no vibration coming from this frame, even outside the sweet spot. I got good but not great pace on serve, but the open pattern allowed me to spin the ball in without having to hit so hard and try to overwhelm the opponent. The direction and kick I got was huge. I hit several serves that kicked over my opponent's shoulder- which he couldn't handle playing with a western grip. He had to swat the ball back almost like a volley! The directional control on the frame is wonderful. This frame will not overpower your opponent, but it will keep you in the fight and it forces you to play a smart, "Federer" like game, instead of just standing and bashing the ball from behind the baseline like what is being taught by many coaches in today's "modern game."

I highly recommend this frame to a player who likes to feel the ball and can make something happen on his/her own without having to rely to a stiff frame to generate power. Sure you can hit plenty of winners from it under the right circumstances, but you're not going to hit them from6 feet behind the baseline! Several years ago, I used to play with the Prince Tour 16x18 with O ports, and I definitely feel as though this new Phantom Pro 100P has much more power and less flex than the old Prince Port Tours. It plays like a Prince Original Graphite OS but with a smaller head size and not as stiff. This frame has plenty of power and can stand head to head with any frame out on the market!

Built quality and feel is amazing. I totally recommend! Two thumbs up.
 

donnayblack99

Semi-Pro
What made you choose the PP100P over the PP100 model with more flex?
I picked the 100P over the regular 100 because I wanted a little more power from the frame. The regular 100 plays great, but it feels more flexible (as does the 0 port version). I liked all three models, I really did. But I went with the Pro 100P because mentally, want to think that I'm getting a bit more power from the frame because it doesn't flex as much as the other two. They are all very flex compared to what's out on the market, however, the Pro100P is not as flexy. Plus, I know what the 0 port frame played like based on my previous experience with the 0 Tours a couple of years ago and I didn't want to go back to that dampened feel. I'm not hitting the ball as hard as a used to, so now I need to rely on placement and feel and that is where the Pro100P excels.

I've got to tell you, I've played with Pro Staff 85s, 6.1s, Donnay Pro Cynetics, Volkl C10s and Power Bridges, Pure Aero Pluses,and this Phantom by far, has the best combo of power and feel. I'm getting just as much spin as I was getting from my Pure Aero, just without the uncontrollable pace and discomfort. It truly is a gift. If this was out in the early 90s, I would have bought a ton of them and probably never would have switched frames so many times.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
What made you choose the PP100P over the PP100 model with more flex?
I recommended 100p to my hitting partner because it's a good compromise between power and comfort. It simply has just enough of everything. If he bought himself any of the other two (Phantom 100's), he'd praise its comfort...and then sell it because he'd lack power.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I forgot who wrote this, but an early PP100P user stated that he felt the new PP100P felt more stiff than the older TT100P. I'm wondering for those who have played with both frames, if that's also your sentinment.
 

tata

Hall of Fame
I think variance in QC and strings can influence the flex feel. I demoed the TT100P twice and the first one felt soft and lively with a nice dwell time and the second felt board like and deader. One swung lighter and the other heavier. Compared to my phantom 100p I still think it feels more flexy than the tour 100p but that could also be due to beam thickness being thinner. Just too many variables to argue but my personal experience goes to phantom 100p as more flexy.
 

cyanide43

Rookie
I tried out both the Phantom Pro 100 and the Phantom Pro 100P yesterday after following this thread for a few months. I am a current division 1 college player. Here are my thoughts, coming from Tour 100 18x20:

The PP100: stunningly thin and beautiful. Frame feels ultra comfortable in a way I haven't felt about a stick since the EXO3 Tour 100. There's just an effortlessness about the way it swings. However, I just could not gel with the racquet on the court. It was far too unstable for trading heavy blows even with a leather grip added. The string pattern also feels wild and erractic for me (coming from an 18x20).

The PP100P: Classic feeling frame. The first thing that jumps out to the user is the box beam construction that leads to a more solidified feel on swing and on contact. However, I found the racquet to be a very strange blend of modern and classic. Directional control was not as great as I would've expected and the polarized setup makes it tough to time the ball coming from a more balanced frame.

Out of the two sticks, I much prefered the PP100P, but I didn't like either as much as I would've figured. In any case, we need 18x20 versions of these things.
 

stee

New User
Out of the two sticks, I much prefered the PP100P, but I didn't like either as much as I would've figured. In any case, we need 18x20 versions of these things.
Totally agree with you. Absolutely love the feel of the PP100, but it does lack in some areas...
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I tried out both the Phantom Pro 100 and the Phantom Pro 100P yesterday after following this thread for a few months. I am a current division 1 college player. Here are my thoughts, coming from Tour 100 18x20:

The PP100: stunningly thin and beautiful. Frame feels ultra comfortable in a way I haven't felt about a stick since the EXO3 Tour 100. There's just an effortlessness about the way it swings. However, I just could not gel with the racquet on the court. It was far too unstable for trading heavy blows even with a leather grip added. The string pattern also feels wild and erractic for me (coming from an 18x20).

The PP100P: Classic feeling frame. The first thing that jumps out to the user is the box beam construction that leads to a more solidified feel on swing and on contact. However, I found the racquet to be a very strange blend of modern and classic. Directional control was not as great as I would've expected and the polarized setup makes it tough to time the ball coming from a more balanced frame.

Out of the two sticks, I much prefered the PP100P, but I didn't like either as much as I would've figured. In any case, we need 18x20 versions of these things.

Wonder if you'd like the 93P. More stable, 18x20, box beam and comes with a leather grip already.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Out of the two sticks, I much prefered the PP100P, but I didn't like either as much as I would've figured. In any case, we need 18x20 versions of these things.
Wouldn't that be the TT100P? Beam width is different, but that's the closest frame to an 18x20 Phantom Pro.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Really? PP100P's 16x19 string pattern has a lower launch angle than the TT100P's 18x20?
Doesn't surprise me. I have a ported Phantom and it has a pretty low launch angle for a 16x19 frame. Significantly lower than my PD or TT100T which are also 16x19. It's closest to my 18x19 Blade 104 but with more spin.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Wouldn't that be the TT100P? Beam width is different, but that's the closest frame to an 18x20 Phantom Pro.
I don't know what Prince have done with TT100P, but there was lot of potential to make this one a significantly better racquet. Potential which was never realised. For one thing, players who tried or play with it report a smallish sweet spot, although twist weight is solid...how on earth did you manage this, Prince? Prince should have made it a classic 18x20 only with much bigger sweet spot, nice precision and relatively easier spin generation compared to 18x20, and that's all they needed to do. Instead they messed with mains spacing making it wide in the middle but dense elsewhere, and made of it...IDK what...

I think design of Phantoms is more clever, but! if those racquets come manufactured seriously under design specs...then let's forget it without customizing them.

My hitting partner got Phantom 100P, and what this racquet needed is couple of grams at 12 o'clock and few grams at 7'' from the butt, with this addition it's really a good racquet. With couple of grams at 3+9 o'clock it will likely be even better.
 
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haqq777

Legend
Yes. PP100P is lower than you expect and TT100P is higher. I'd say TT is a little more loopy.
Really? PP100P's 16x19 string pattern has a lower launch angle than the TT100P's 18x20?
Doesn't surprise me. I have a ported Phantom and it has a pretty low launch angle for a 16x19 frame. Significantly lower than my PD or TT100T which are also 16x19. It's closest to my 18x19 Blade 104 but with more spin.
I think you guys mean 16x18 because Phantom 100 does not have a 16x19 pattern. And I would have to respectfully disagree here. Phantom 100 has a higher launch angle than the TT 100P and it is pretty noticeable given you have same strings and tension. I have both and in fact I played with both just yesterday switching back and forth. I strung both up with Diadem Solstice 17 at 45 lbs. The TT 100P has a significantly lower launch angle and I was actively aiming higher for the ball to go over the net everytime I switched to the 100P. The Phantom 100 was more comfy, had more spin (even Babolat POP which I use sometimes verified the spin part). The 100P had more power. Phantom 100 most definitely hit a more loopier ball. My strokes were flatter and faster with 100P and loopier and more spin with Phantom 100. I played with two different opponents and they verified as well. I also made sure to try and keep strokes as similar as possible to gauge differences. Just my two cents here.
 

haqq777

Legend
I don't know what Prince have done with TT100P, but there was lot of potential to make this one a significantly better racquet. Potential which was never realised. For one thing, players who tried or play with it report a smallish sweet spot, although twist weight is solid...how on earth did you manage this, Prince? Prince should have made it a classic 18x20 only with much bigger sweet spot, nice precision and relatively easier spin generation compared to 18x20, and that's all they needed to do. Instead they messed with mains spacing making it wide in the middle but dense elsewhere, and made of it...IDK what...
I prefer my Phantom for comfort but 100P isn't a bad racquet at all. By no means does the 100P have a small sweet spot for me. I thought it was pretty generous in fact even in stock form. I personally added 2-3 grams at twelve and some tail weight but that's for my preference reasons. Spin is decent for 18x20 (string spacing isn't as dense).

Also, from what I have seen in my circles, it is quite popular as well among college players as well as rec players. Not sure about it's sales numbers. From my experience they couldn't have been bad.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
I prefer my Phantom for comfort but 100P isn't a bad racquet at all. By no means does the 100P have a small sweet spot for me. I thought it was pretty generous in fact even in stock form. I personally added 2-3 grams at twelve and some tail weight but that's for my preference reasons. Spin is decent for 18x20 (string spacing isn't as dense).

Also, from what I have seen in my circles, it is quite popular as well among college players as well as rec players. Not sure about it's sales numbers. From my experience they couldn't have been bad.
I never touched that racquet, this was experience from few players I know. Possibly they got variation under specs a bit, who knows? Not that they think it's a bad racquet, but they don't consider it a forgiving racquet.

Anyway, here's the catch: yes, Prince made it spinnier than 18x20 should be. And here it becomes unclear for whom this racquet is? If you want a nice spinny racquet, you don't go for a 18x20 racquet, you take an open pattern racquet. But pattern distribution on TT100P is quite open where it counts, in the hitting zone...so what do you get with 18x20? Doesn't make much sense. We have some reverse logic on the market. If it's smaller head, make it a 18x20. If you have a larger head, make the pattern as open and possible. Doesn't make much sense to me. Ok, at least there are some smaller hoop racs with open patterns available, but 18x20's with large head and classic pattern distribution are completely missing. And I think they just might be a nice bridge between some added forgiveness but without as much precision sacrifice as you make with 16x18 or 16x19 100'' racquets.
 

haqq777

Legend
I never touched that racquet, this was experience from few players I know. Possibly they got variation under specs a bit, who knows?

Anyway, here's the catch: yes, Prince made it spinnier than 18x20 should be. And here it becomes unclear for whom this racquet is? If you want a nice spinny racquet, you don't go for a 18x20 racquet, you take an open pattern racquet. But pattern on TT100P is open where it counts, in the hitting zone...so what do you get with 18x20? Doesn't make much sense. We have some reverse logic on the market. If it's smaller head, make it a 18x20. If you have a larger head, make the pattern as open and possible. Doesn't make much sense to me. Ok, at least there is some smaller hoop racs with open patterns, but 18x20's with large head and classic pattern distribution are completely missing. And I think they just might be a nice bridge between some added forgiveness but without as much precision sacrifice as you make with 16x18 or 16x19 100'' racquets.
Sure. But from what I have seen it caters to those wanting a bigger head with more control. The control on 100P is excellent as a matter of fact. And the pattern is not as most 16x19. For reference, TC100 has much more widely spaced strings compared to 100P. And For me, that means 100P is pretty control-oriented stick. Also, Phantom 100 spacing is wider than 100P too. Its not as if 100P string spacing is super wide. It is just an 18x20 pattern which is not as dense.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Sure. But from what I have seen it caters to those wanting a bigger head with more control. The control on 100P is excellent as a matter of fact. And the pattern is not as most 16x19. For reference, TC100 has much more widely spaced strings compared to 100P. And For me, that means 100P is pretty control-oriented stick. Also, Phantom 100 spacing is wider than 100P too.
In my view, there should be no any comments over any twist stable 100'' that it doesn't have a good sweet spot. It just shouldn't happen. Two players who made those comments are not noobs, both are experience rec players and I'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about. So possibly they got such TT100p in hands and let's say there are better TT100p's, but again...it shouldn't happen, and in my view, it smells like design flaw. Because when you buy a 100'', you kind of expect some forgiveness.
 

haqq777

Legend
In my view, there should be no any comments over any twist stable 100'' that it doesn't have a good sweet spot. It just shouldn't happen. Two players who made those comments are not noobs, both are experience rec players and I'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about. So possibly they got such TT100p in hands and let's say there are better 100p's, but again...it shouldn't happen, and in my view, it smells like design flaw. Because when you buy a 100'', you kind of expect some forgiveness.
Well, the design flaw bit is your opinion. I disagree with it and also disagree that it is unforgiving. I am not going to argue because you haven't hit with the stick yourself. I recommend you hit with one and see what you feel. I own one, played with it last few days and everyone I know who uses it loves it from a performance perspective. You will always find someone who will find something wrong with things. Even the pope is a sinner. Will take my leave from this discussion as I don't want to hijack it any further.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Well, the design flaw bit is your opinion. I disagree with it and also disagree that it is unforgiving. I am not going to argue because you haven't hit with the stick yourself. I recommend you hit with one and see what you feel. I own one, played with it last few days and everyone I know who uses it loves it from a performance perspective. You will always find someone who will find something wrong with things. Even the pope is a sinner. Will take my leave from this discussion as I don't want to hijack it any further.
Those players are not 5.0, they're both, say, lower 4.5 rec players who have never been coached in their lives, they don't have as sound technique as you have, and they may have a different personal perspective on what is more and what is less forgiving, based on how precise they hit a sweet spot.

And flawed is a too hard word, but I'd really bet I could make it a better racquet if I was able to make a different drilling. Not flawed, but I think there's a bigger potential in 100'' plus 18x20.
 
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markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I played with the TT 100p for a short while and the sweet spot seemed small to me until I dropped the tension a bit. Opened it right up. I think it was the tension. Having said that, my POG OS's can be strung at the moon and still have big sweet spot...of course, there are my tour 100 18 20's...man I love the ports for comfort. I am a measly 4.0. I also think that more flex equals bigger sweet spot feeling. Strange. My old dunlop max 200g's have a huge sweet spot. At mid tension it is almost as big as the head itself. I can still play comfortably with it...and yes, compete, at my old ass age.
 

haqq777

Legend
Those players are not 5.0, they're both, say, lower 4.5 rec players who have never been coached in their lives, they don't have as sound technique as you have, and they may have a different personal perspective on what is more and what is less forgiving, based on how precise they hit a sweet spot.

And flawed is a too hard word, but I'd really bet I could make it a better racquet if I was able to make a different drilling. Not flawed, but I think there's a bigger potential in 100'' plus 18x20.
Could be the tension too like above comment suggests. I play in mid 40s personally. Would you have gone tighter string spacing if you could?
 

cyanide43

Rookie
@Tommy Haas That is the plan, have a Prince 93P in my hands that I'm stringing up with 4G tonight. If that doesn't work out either, I was figuring trying out the TT100P with some customizations.
 

tennis347

Professional
I have been playing with PP 100P version for a little over a month and have tinkered with some lead customization. It has been my experience that this racquet really shines with 2 grams at 12 and 4 grams at the butt of the handle. I also changed the stock grip to a Wilson Contour. With this set up I noticed the racquet has a more flexy feel and solid stability. Don’t get me wrong, no matter how much you customize a racquet you can only change the playing characteristics so much. The lead adds some pop and raises the sweet spot which adds more power on serves and more plow on the ground strokes. Prince has really hit their mark with the Phantom line. I hear some other people talking about an 18 x 20 for the Phantom line. In my opinion, with an 18 x 20 pattern the racquet would no pop at all. If you don’t have any arm problems, you can string the Phantom line at the low end of tension and get plenty of control with a poly. I have found great results stringing the frame in the low 50’s with a basic synthetic 17 Gosen Micro. There was a good balance of power and control along with great feel. This racquet gives great feedback on solid technique and sound footwork. I grew up playing on thin beam racquets like the head prestige classic, wilson pro staff classic 6.1 and the Volkl C10 Pro. As low as the RA is the Phantom line, they still somewhat of modern feel which adds a bit of pop. I could never see myself playing with a Babolat frame. I highly recommend this racquet to players 4.0 and up. I am now a 4.5 rec guy who works on technique and enjoy tinkering with customization.
 

Moonarse

Semi-Pro
The tiniest lowest powered frame I ever used was the radical microgel mp. could anyone be kind to compare them in terms of power, flex and solidness? I have no option for demo where I live.
 

tennis347

Professional
The tiniest lowest powered frame I ever used was the radical microgel mp. could anyone be kind to compare them in terms of power, flex and solidness? I have no option for demo where I live.
I played with radical microgel Oversize for a summer a few years ago. I can tell you that the Phantom Pro 100P has more power, a lot more solid offering better stability and flex plays a bit firmer. The nice thing about the 100P is that there is a little room for customization. I think it would be a nice upgrade for you.
 
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Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
If anyone has a PP100 or PP100P and not satisfied with them and want to give the TT100P a try, I'd be open to swapping with you. The TT100P doesn't work for me. The 93P is another story and everything that's been said about it is true. It's got great spin potential for a 93" 18x20 and the power is anemic unless you lean into the shot.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Could be the tension too like above comment suggests. I play in mid 40s personally. Would you have gone tighter string spacing if you could?
Possibly or probably, IDK which tension did they use...lot of guys here are still using traditional tension, which is too high :)
I'd go with tighter spacing in the middle, wider towards sides...this would further lower the launch angle, generate bit less topspin, but more generous spacing towards sides would help make sweet spot wider.
This would be more a 18x20 players choice seeking for more forgiveness, and yet more controlled option for open pattern players who consider switching to 18x20 for better precision.
To go on the mild side, if players like it then it certainly has its value...but it would be good to have an option like I describe, as well. This is what's been lacking.

I forgot to add, you compared it to TC100...TC100 mains spacing is huge even for open pattern merits. For example, I use some PK Destiny/KI10 customized setups, which have much tighter mains though they're 16x19 as well, and those still provide a really good spin.
 

haqq777

Legend
I forgot to add, you compared it to TC100...TC100 mains spacing is huge even for open pattern merits. For example, I use some PK Destiny/KI10 customized setups, which have much tighter mains though they're 16x19 as well, and those still provide a really good spin.
Yes, while it is true that TC100 is very open 16x19 pattern, I also mentioned in my comment that it is not as if TT100P string spacing is super wide. It is just an 18x20 pattern which is not as dense as more traditional 18x20 racquets. That is why it also has better spin potential and more power on tap. If you compare, the TT100P is still denser in center than your run-of-the-mill, 100 sq. inch, 16x19 pattern racquets in the market today. That is the point I was trying to make.

Btw, I am also liking the 16x20 patterns recently. Especially fallen in love all over again with my swirly Pure Controls and Pure Storm Tours. I find that 16x20 is best of both worlds.
 
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stee

New User
I noticed today that 5 of the grommet holes have broken. This racquet has been played for 15h tops, I've never seen anything like it before.
I've never seen this with any other racquet (remember the transparent Prestige IG grommets - not even there) and am wondering what's going on...

Simliar experience, anyone?

 
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zalive

Hall of Fame
Yes, while it is true that TC100 is very open 16x19 pattern, I also mentioned in my comment that it is not as if TT100P string spacing is super wide. It is just an 18x20 pattern which is not as dense as more traditional 18x20 racquets. That is why it also has better spin potential and more power on tap. If you compare, the TT100P is still denser in center than your run-of-the-mill, 100 sq. inch, 16x19 pattern racquets in the market today. That is the point I was trying to make.

Btw, I am also liking the 16x20 patterns recently. Especially fallen in love all over again with my swirly Pure Controls and Pure Storm Tours. I find that 16x20 is best of both worlds.
16x20 is so neglected...few Babolats, Yonex Tour series, few Pacifics, few PK's...that's pretty much it. And it is the best of both worlds really...
As for TT100P then it's just a matter of taste. Current one is closer to open patter players expectations and style, which is fine. Together with it, I'd like to see one which is closer to 18x20 players expectations, only on the forgiving side. A perfect tool for aging 18x20 players but also some open pattern players who want a forgiving 18x20 with real 18x20 precision. But yes, when you mention 16x20...I bet 16x20 pattern would add TT100p some extra forgiveness, without losing anything important. Just keep the centre mains spacing as is, minus one string to left and right, adjust spacings accordingly and voila.
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
I noticed today that 5 of the grommet holes have broken. This racquet has been played for 15h tops, I've never seen anything like it before.
I've never seen this with any other racquet (remember the transparent Prestige IG grommets - not even there) and am wondering what's going on...

Simliar experience, anyone?
Anyone else have issues with the grommets on the Pro 100? Mine are splitting and cracking like crazy!
Yup, posted the above a few weeks back. Mine started cracking quite early as well. I had some fittex grommets handy so replaced the split grommets with those and they've been holding up. But before I did that, I contacted TW and they sent me a new replacement grommet set gratis...top notch customer service as always.
 

stee

New User
Yup, posted the above a few weeks back. Mine started cracking quite early as well. I had some fittex grommets handy so replaced the split grommets with those and they've been holding up. But before I did that, I contacted TW and they sent me a new replacement grommet set gratis...top notch customer service as always.
Thanks, I must've missed your comment.
Unfortunately I don't have any tubing nylon to fix the broken parts. Also, I didn't buy the racquet from TW directly but traded against another frame.
Did it change with the new grommets?

It's a bit of an annoying situation. The Phantom grommets are by far the most expensive ones on TWE and I just ordered stuff two weeks ago. Buying a set of grommets and paying for shipping? :confused:
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
Thanks, I must've missed your comment.
Unfortunately I don't have any tubing nylon to fix the broken parts. Also, I didn't buy the racquet from TW directly but traded against another frame.
Did it change with the new grommets?

It's a bit of an annoying situation. The Phantom grommets are by far the most expensive ones on TWE and I just ordered stuff two weeks ago. Buying a set of grommets and paying for shipping? :confused:
I have yet to install the new grommet set. I've just been using the old bumper/grommets but with a few individual grommets replaced with the fittex variety, and thus far those and the remaining original grommets have been holding up. Since we had similar experiences, clearly an issue exists among some of the grommet sets. But it doesn't seem to be very widespread, as no one else has reported this issue, nor did anyone respond to my initial inquiry in this thread.
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
Really? PP100P's 16x19 string pattern has a lower launch angle than the TT100P's 18x20?
That was my experience, yes. It's 16/18 on the PP100P too. I realise it sounds odd, but i felt the very open 18/20 in the TT100P launched a little higher. Not much in it though. I see another poster has had a different experience.
 

Rhcp128

New User
Just got a PP100P today strung with champions choice gut 54 in the mains and alu 51 in the crosses. I love the thin beam and the racquet plays really nice (for some reason killer volley machine). The only thing I'm not crazy about is the synthetic grip, used to feeling the bevels a bit more. Any ideas for a nice replacement that wouldn't impact the balance too much? Ideally, I really don't want to add too much weight or change the balance
 

tennis347

Professional
Just got a PP100P today strung with champions choice gut 54 in the mains and alu 51 in the crosses. I love the thin beam and the racquet plays really nice (for some reason killer volley machine). The only thing I'm not crazy about is the synthetic grip, used to feeling the bevels a bit more. Any ideas for a nice replacement that wouldn't impact the balance too much? Ideally, I really don't want to add too much weight or change the balance
I also really enjoyed the way the PP 100P, but the 2 frames I purchased only weighed 322 grams. I changed the stock to a Wilson Contour grip and added 3 grams of lead at the but and 1.5 grams at 12. The racquet plays real solid with the added weight, more pop and stability to handle heavy hitting with players at the 4.5-5.0 level. The Wilson Contour grip added about 3-4 grams and that alone will add stability to the racquet if you decide to make this change. Just my 2 cents but everyone likes different things.
 

tennis347

Professional
Mine came 323gr strung which looks under spec at first but was 309g unstrung which is pretty spot on.
There’s plenty of room for customization if that’s your action plan. I found that extra weight really brought this frame alive with more pop, plow and stability. I am actually glad mine were a few grams under spec strung.
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
Just got a PP100P today strung with champions choice gut 54 in the mains and alu 51 in the crosses. I love the thin beam and the racquet plays really nice (for some reason killer volley machine). The only thing I'm not crazy about is the synthetic grip, used to feeling the bevels a bit more. Any ideas for a nice replacement that wouldn't impact the balance too much? Ideally, I really don't want to add too much weight or change the balance
Babolat skin feel. It may be a tad heavier though.
 

tata

Hall of Fame
There’s plenty of room for customization if that’s your action plan. I found that extra weight really brought this frame alive with more pop, plow and stability. I am actually glad mine were a few grams under spec strung.
My thoughts exactly. I ended up adding 1.5g at 12. Going to keep playing and see if counter balance is required. Even if I do it'll still be within target specs.
 

tennis347

Professional
My thoughts exactly. I ended up adding 1.5g at 12. Going to keep playing and see if counter balance is required. Even if I do it'll still be within target specs.
A few grams at the butt of the handle will help give more stability and plow.
 

PBODY99

Legend
Could anyone compare the Ultra tour with the pantom pro 100 or phantom 100p?
@Vapix
Working with a 4.5 player moving from 16 x 20 FT-.
He found the Ultra Tour had launch angle that was lower & played stiffer than the Phantom 100.
The UT is set up 8 pts HL 1.20 mm poly @ 58lbs.
Hope that helps
 

stee

New User
I have yet to install the new grommet set. I've just been using the old bumper/grommets but with a few individual grommets replaced with the fittex variety, and thus far those and the remaining original grommets have been holding up. Since we had similar experiences, clearly an issue exists among some of the grommet sets. But it doesn't seem to be very widespread, as no one else has reported this issue, nor did anyone respond to my initial inquiry in this thread.
I sent a mail directly to Prince through the contact form on their website. Didn't hear back from them at all, which is rather disappointing.
@TWEStaff Are the grommets a known weak spot and do you know what's up with Prince customer service?
 
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