Prince Phantom Pro and Phantom Pro100P

I have been playing the 93P for the past 6 months, and love the frame so much that I ended up buying 3 of them. It will remain my go to racquet for the next foreseeable future, but it is also a fairly demanding stick. I felt like I needed something something a bit easier to play, for the days when the feet don't move too quick (sadly, more and more of those as I have just turned 49). So I got a PP100P, which I will try tomorrow, with one of my regular hitting partners, who is about the same level as I (a good 4.0). I thought I'd go with something really similar in feel to minimize disruption.

My usual string set-up is Hyper G 17 @ 48lbs in the 93P, and given the more open string pattern, opted for a Hyper G 16L, also @48lbs. Bringing it home, I am quite surprised at the difference in sound when hitting the string bed. The 100P'sound is much, much lower, and feels noticeably looser. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, seeing that the head is bigger and the pattern open, but it has me wondering is this is not going to be way too loose. I play with a lot of spin on serve, moderate spin / flat forehand, mostly sliced backhand and come to the net to finish points. I am quite powerful and hit a heavy ball, which is why I appreciate the control of the 93P and the dead feel of the Hyper G - helps me keep the ball in court. It will be interesting to see how the 100P plays, and if I will eventually need to string it tighter.
 
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You must be a really heavy hitter because I'm 3.5 and I play the 100p in a multi at 45lbs. I always found the sweet spot small in the upper 40 tension range. I have 1g at 12 on mine for a bit more weight and power on the shots and it feels sublime.
 
I found the PP100P a bit wobbly and harsh on off center hits with a smaller than expected sweet spot too. Adding head tape helped fix most of those problems. I still like the 93p better though I thought the PP100P was better at slicing and at the net...
 
I found the PP100P a bit wobbly and harsh on off center hits with a smaller than expected sweet spot too. Adding head tape helped fix most of those problems. I still like the 93p better though I thought the PP100P was better at slicing and at the net...
Lower string tension fixed that issue for me. Started at 50 in syn gut. Now I think I'll do 45 in a multi. Plays more like a 100 whereas before felt like a 95.
 
Played one hour of singles, and one hour of doubles today, so I can report my first impressions on the PP100P.

I absolutely loved hitting with this frame. It's got everything that I like in the 93P (control, accuracy, comfort), but much easier to play. The 93P is a fantastic frame, but as I mentioned before, quite demanding especially in defence or if the footwork is not accurate. Transitioning to the PP100P was extremely easy, as the beam and construction are identical, and the swing weight is comparable, so they feel very similar. Same connection with the ball and point / shoot precision.

Where I feel I got a lot of help was from the more open string pattern, which allowed a higher net clearance, and get more depth. With the 93P, I tend to hit a few balls in the top of the net, and when I hit big on the forehand, I struggle a bit for depth. Not so with the PP100P, where access to spin is really easy but the ball stays deep. I have to mention that this is not at the expense of control, much to my surprise as I struggled a bit with open string patterns in the past (Yonex DR 98 16x19). I found the response very predictable, On serve, I thought I probably lost a bit of speed, which is not a major issue as I generally use heaps of spin. I got better access to slice, though, especially on the deuce side (I am right handed). Biggest surprise was the backhand. Topspin, which I generally struggle with, was much easier to access. And the slice was unreal. It's really good on the 93P, and I was afraid that the open pattern would make my ball sit up, but it stayed very low, even improving on the 93P. Volleys were super easy. Perhaps not as stable at net against fast balls as the 93P, but angled / touch volleys worked really nicely.

I will probably experiment a bit with strings. I liked the Hyper G 16L at 48lbs, but I might go for a 17 gauge to maximise the spin, while offsetting the extra power by bringing tension up to 50lbs. I had put 1g of lead at both 9 and 12 to improve stability, and I though it worked really well, so I will keep it. All in, with a Gamma overgrip and a Technifibre Vibra Clip dampener, the racquet weighs in at 330g, vs. 347g for the 93P. I don't feel the need to change the synthetic grip for a leather one, as I like the racquet weight and balance as it is.

I am delighted I found this frame, which will become my go to racquet for singles, while I will keep the 93P for doubles. I will now buy a second one, as I have lined myself up for a couple of singles tournaments in the coming weeks.
 
ok so i finally demo'd the 100p and it is totally awesome! super fast at net also.
even tho i am very small petite framed. i expected this racket to not be suited for me as i don't have much power to offer. but i actually found my backhand and my serve to be more powerful then my OS frame.
i am very consistent with this racket and i can really swing freely with this racket as it doesn't lag behind during the swing and feels apart of me.

actually serving really hard also which surprises me..

i did notice some slight elbowish pain but i think thats because i was actually really going all out with this racket and can do full swings and not hold back.
pains gone tho just was some occasional pain during the match i noticed.. not enough to stop. just a "yeah i notice you"

i actually want to buy this racket! and a 2nd!

i'll need to ask what string the demo had tho..
i think i should go with the same setup.. maybe 2 rackets at say "initial tension string setup" and 5 lower then that on other racket due to demo having being used a lot?

or maybe 2nd racket should have a entirely different string setup?

not sure what to do :(
 
Ericg thanks. I am happy to hear that you are enjoying this thread. I like X-One a lot and find it is a great string in a fullbed if you hit with moderate topspin or flat. I would start by stringing X-One at between 50 to 55 lbs. If you hybrid, then try stringing the poly at about 2 lbs less. Some pros like to string both hybrid strings with the same tension. Each player will differ because of personal taste and style. I am an all-court player who loves to use touch, so I string fullbed multi at 45lbs . This may be too soft for some but it is perfect for me. I don't use poly's because of their stiffer nature. When I played college and sectionals I used fullbed natural gut. The closest I get to a poly is HDX which is one of my favorites. I guess I just really like Technifibre multi's, they are really good quality strings that just don't compromise quality. If you want to try a fullbed of RPM blast start low, around 45 lbs. Let me know how this works for you. A lot of choosing a new setup has a lot to do with personal preference and experimenting. What I have suggested is just that, a suggestion. You might also want to reverse a hybrid setup to find out which setup is best for your style of play.
Excellent advice and as soon I’m set up I’ll let you know how the different string setups work. Issue I’m having now is I live in Bangkok and they are not selling prince rackets here anymore. I will prob order from overseas at some point but customs duties can be anywhere from reasonable to ridiculous in Thailand. Thanks again for all your input. Great thread !!
 
ok so i finally demo'd the 100p and it is totally awesome! super fast at net also.
even tho i am very small petite framed. i expected this racket to not be suited for me as i don't have much power to offer. but i actually found my backhand and my serve to be more powerful then my OS frame.
i am very consistent with this racket and i can really swing freely with this racket as it doesn't lag behind during the swing and feels apart of me.

actually serving really hard also which surprises me..

i did notice some slight elbowish pain but i think thats because i was actually really going all out with this racket and can do full swings and not hold back.
pains gone tho just was some occasional pain during the match i noticed.. not enough to stop. just a "yeah i notice you"

i actually want to buy this racket! and a 2nd!

i'll need to ask what string the demo had tho..
i think i should go with the same setup.. maybe 2 rackets at say "initial tension string setup" and 5 lower then that on other racket due to demo having being used a lot?

or maybe 2nd racket should have a entirely different string setup?

not sure what to do :(
If the demo set-up is giving you arm discomfort, you should stay away from it. Was it a poly? Problem with demo racquets strung with poly is that the strings often do not get changed, even after the poly has gone dead, which can cause injury.

So I would either go for a soft poly strung low (<45lbs), or a hybrid soft poly / multi strung low, or even experiment a hybrid with gut, if you can afford it. You should get extra power from the multi or the gut, while minimizing discomfort. Once you have found the right set-up, I would have both racquets strung exactly the same.
 
I'm looking for input from those who've played with both PP100 and PP100P. Which frame do you think plays better weighted up? The 93P is my day to day to racquet and I play with it stock. I'm used to the weight and balance of the 93P and I'm also okay with the lack of power because I get control in return and can really swing out without fear of sending the ball against the fence. A weighted PP100 or PP100P would have to play similar, but give me more margin for error. The 93" head can be challenging on "off" days and returning big serves. The ultra low RA of the PP100 is enticing, but it's built completely different from the 93P while the PP100P has the same box beam design.
 
I'm looking for input from those who've played with both PP100 and PP100P. Which frame do you think plays better weighted up? The 93P is my day to day to racquet and I play with it stock. I'm used to the weight and balance of the 93P and I'm also okay with the lack of power because I get control in return and can really swing out without fear of sending the ball against the fence. A weighted PP100 or PP100P would have to play similar, but give me more margin for error. The 93" head can be challenging on "off" days and returning big serves. The ultra low RA of the PP100 is enticing, but it's built completely different from the 93P while the PP100P has the same box beam design.
I have not played the PP100, but I am wondering why you would consider it, if what you are looking for is a 93P with more tolerance / ease of play. The PP100P seems the obvious choice considering it has the same box beam construction, similar stiffness and swingweight. I think you'd have to customize the PP100 a lot more in terms of adding lead to get the SW closer to 330, and even then the feel / response might require a bigger adjustment from the 93P, seeing that the flex rating is markedly lower.

I held both racquets in a shop last week, and it was really a no brainer that the PP100P was the way to go when looking for a complement to the 93P. Having bought it and tested it over the weekend, I can happily report that it is everything I wanted, and required minimal adjustment when transitioning from the 93P. I added just a little bit of lead a 3 and 9 (1g each) to get a little more stability and plow through, and it played like a dream.
 
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ok so i finally demo'd the 100p and it is totally awesome! super fast at net also.
even tho i am very small petite framed. i expected this racket to not be suited for me as i don't have much power to offer. but i actually found my backhand and my serve to be more powerful then my OS frame.
i am very consistent with this racket and i can really swing freely with this racket as it doesn't lag behind during the swing and feels apart of me.

actually serving really hard also which surprises me..

i did notice some slight elbowish pain but i think thats because i was actually really going all out with this racket and can do full swings and not hold back.
pains gone tho just was some occasional pain during the match i noticed.. not enough to stop. just a "yeah i notice you"

i actually want to buy this racket! and a 2nd!

i'll need to ask what string the demo had tho..
i think i should go with the same setup.. maybe 2 rackets at say "initial tension string setup" and 5 lower then that on other racket due to demo having being used a lot?

or maybe 2nd racket should have a entirely different string setup?

not sure what to do :(
Did the demo have a poly or a multifilament in it? If it was a poly, you could probably try it with a muti and be fine.

If not, well...it might be worthwhile to demo the Phantom Pro 100. I also had a little bit of arm pain with the 100P, but the Pro 100 was the most comfortable racquet that I've played with.
Similar attributes to the 100P, but it will be less powerful.
 
I have not played the PP100, but I am wondering why you would consider it, if what you are looking for is a 93P with more tolerance / ease of play. The PP100P seems the obvious choice considering it has the same box beam construction, similar stiffness and swingweight. I think you'd have to customize the PP100 a lot more in terms of adding lead to get the SW closer to 330, and even then the feel / response might require a bigger adjustment from the 93P, seeing that the flex rating is markedly lower.

I held both racquets in a shop last week, and it was really a no brainer that the PP100P was the way to go when looking for a complement to the 93P. Having bought it and tested it over the weekend, I can happily report that it is everything I wanted, and required minimal adjustment when transitioning from the 93P. I added just a little bit of lead a 3 and 9 (1g each) to get a little more stability and plow through, and it played like a dream.
Thanks. I think you sold me on the PP100P. The string pattern might me a little too open for me, but I could counteract it using 16g string. Which may wind up being better for tension maintenance and durability.

Does anyone know if there'll be a 2019 successor to the PP100P? If it's going to be stiffer then no thanks. I have the TT100P (2015) and the beam is too thick, string pattern too dense, and flex too stiff.

I was really hoping the 2019 model would be more flexible, but Prince went the other way. The PP100P might be my best choice between the PP100P, TT100P (2015) and TT100P (2019) unless anyone else has other suggestions?
 
Thanks. I think you sold me on the PP100P. The string pattern might me a little too open for me, but I could counteract it using 16g string. Which may wind up being better for tension maintenance and durability.
I thought that too. I never managed to get properly dialed in with my DR98 16x19, which I attributed to the string pattern, together with the hoop thickness. This is why I originally opted for the 93P, which is on the opposite end of the spectrum in the low 60's RA category. I was worried that the balls would fly a bit with the PP100P's 16x18, but it didn't happen with the Hyper G 16L I put in. I think it's really horses for courses for strings in these racquets: 17 or 18 gauge for the 93P, 16 or 16L for the PP100p, though I will test a 17 gauge in it as well, just to see how that feels.
 
Thanks. I think you sold me on the PP100P. The string pattern might me a little too open for me, but I could counteract it using 16g string. Which may wind up being better for tension maintenance and durability.

Does anyone know if there'll be a 2019 successor to the PP100P? If it's going to be stiffer then no thanks. I have the TT100P (2015) and the beam is too thick, string pattern too dense, and flex too stiff.

I was really hoping the 2019 model would be more flexible, but Prince went the other way. The PP100P might be my best choice between the PP100P, TT100P (2015) and TT100P (2019) unless anyone else has other suggestions?
I play with Phantom Pro 100P. Yes, it is 16x18 but it is not so open. Control is great! I played with 16x19 which are far more open than 16x18 on Phantom
 
@Tommy Haas
I owned a Pure Strike PO7. It's a great racquet. However, as expected, it gave me little bit of GE and then switched to TT100P and i feel a little bit sore upper forearm (TEish).. None of these are huge pain or anything but slight discomfort and tenseness on elbow. I just don't want to push it and watch it get worse. After reading 2k posts here (!)... and doing border-line unhealthy amount of obsessive research, I am demo-ing PP100P and PP100 tonight.. will report back.
I am taking advice and stringing them multifeel 16 black @ 47ish for starters.. no weight added yet.
 
I also had a little bit of arm pain with the 100P, but the Pro 100 was the most comfortable racquet that I've played with.
Similar attributes to the 100P, but it will be less powerful.
Just try X-perience 1.18 at 21/19kg in the Pro 100 and you will find all the power you need!
You must ALL HERE try that setup and STOP thinking and JUST enjoy SO MUCH!!!!!!!!
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If you ask me I don't think the pp100p is too open. The spacing is quite compact which leaves the outer edges quite open.
I'd agree with this. I think someone did a full test, but I've thought the PP100P is a little tighter and even than the P100 and PP100. When I sized them up, the other two seem a little denser in the middle and spread out towards 3 and 9.
 
I'm looking for input from those who've played with both PP100 and PP100P. Which frame do you think plays better weighted up? The 93P is my day to day to racquet and I play with it stock. I'm used to the weight and balance of the 93P and I'm also okay with the lack of power because I get control in return and can really swing out without fear of sending the ball against the fence. A weighted PP100 or PP100P would have to play similar, but give me more margin for error. The 93" head can be challenging on "off" days and returning big serves. The ultra low RA of the PP100 is enticing, but it's built completely different from the 93P while the PP100P has the same box beam design.
I've owned both.

The PP100P weighted up will retain, roughly, the same old-school, old Pro-Staffy flexy feel as it already has but will give you more depth and plow.

The P100 weighted up changes the feel of the racquet more. A good bit of the vibration you'd normally feel in the handle goes away and it generally feels even more muted weighted up. The weighted P100 feels more similar to the Blade 18x20 it is replacing for me.

They're both great racquets and will give you the margin for error you're looking for. Unweighted, they will feel very different than your 93P, so you'll just need to experiment until you dial in what you like.
 
Played another couple of hours in singles last night, where I was alternating between the 93P and the PP100P.

Confirming the first impressions:
- 93P: faster / flatter ball on groundstrokes, faster / more accurate serves, great in offensive play, difficult to keep the ball deep in defense
- PP100P: lose a bit of speed on both groundstrokes and serve, but more spin / net clearance / depth; not as easy to put opponents away in attack, but much easier to bring the ball back in defence

Conclusion:
- will definitely reserve the 93P for doubles, as the game needs to be more offensive and one gets less stretched in defence
- still need to adjust the string tension on the PP100P. The Hyper G 16L at 48lbs feels a bit mushy for my liking in a 100 sq.in. frame, I need to firm it up a bit. Will probably go to 50lbs, and it will be my racquet of choice for singles
 
Played another couple of hours in singles last night, where I was alternating between the 93P and the PP100P.

Confirming the first impressions:
- 93P: faster / flatter ball on groundstrokes, faster / more accurate serves, great in offensive play, difficult to keep the ball deep in defense
- PP100P: lose a bit of speed on both groundstrokes and serve, but more spin / net clearance / depth; not as easy to put opponents away in attack, but much easier to bring the ball back in defence

Conclusion:
- will definitely reserve the 93P for doubles, as the game needs to be more offensive and one gets less stretched in defence
- still need to adjust the string tension on the PP100P. The Hyper G 16L at 48lbs feels a bit mushy for my liking in a 100 sq.in. frame, I need to firm it up a bit. Will probably go to 50lbs, and it will be my racquet of choice for singles
Your comments help because I'm planning on getting the PP100P as a more forgiving supplement to my 93P. How much lower in power is the 100P compared to the 93P and is that in stock configuration? I bet if you added weight to the 100P, the power would go up. Also, how much softer feeling or more flexible feeling is the 100P compared to the 93P? There's a 2 point RA difference between the two.

I have problems keeping the ball in with the 93P when my strings lose tension. I play with full bed multi, so it gets trampoliny. Maybe the lower powered 100P will allow me to play with the strings longer and at lower tensions. Though, it's on a 100" head with an open pattern, so unsure until I actually try it.

I have to string my 93P at 55# on an electronic constant pull for me to get acceptable control with full bed multi. Anything else and I have to hold back to keep the ball in. Freshly strung, it feels so good to be able to take a full rip at the ball and get good power and control, best of both worlds. Only drawback is that the small head has very little margin for error on my off or windy days.
 
Your comments help because I'm planning on getting the PP100P as a more forgiving supplement to my 93P. How much lower in power is the 100P compared to the 93P and is that in stock configuration? I bet if you added weight to the 100P, the power would go up. Also, how much softer feeling or more flexible feeling is the 100P compared to the 93P? There's a 2 point RA difference between the two.

I have problems keeping the ball in with the 93P when my strings lose tension. I play with full bed multi, so it gets trampoliny. Maybe the lower powered 100P will allow me to play with the strings longer and at lower tensions. Though, it's on a 100" head with an open pattern, so unsure until I actually try it.

I have to string my 93P at 55# on an electronic constant pull for me to get acceptable control with full bed multi. Anything else and I have to hold back to keep the ball in. Freshly strung, it feels so good to be able to take a full rip at the ball and get good power and control, best of both worlds. Only drawback is that the small head has very little margin for error on my off or windy days.
Let me try to be more descriptive on this:

- I actually think that the 100P is the more powerful of the two, if strung exactly like the 93P. A larger frame and more open strings would mechanically do this, seeing that the frame section is identical. The difference is that the 93P has much more plow through, meaning I don't swing it exactly the same, especially on forehand. My motion is more linear / flat with the 93P and slightly more whippy with the 100P. What I lose in pure speed on my forehand, I make up in length and spin. I'll probably have more winners with the 93P, but achieve greater consistency with the 100P.

- I don't think I am going to tinker too much with the weight distribution besides the 1g at both 3 and 9 I have added. It's got to be at, or above, 330 SW, so it's pretty beefy already. I will play for a while with this configuration and see how it goes. If I want a more plow through, I might go for a leather grip as well. That might well be something for you to consider for the 100P if you want the same sensations as the 93P.

- Both racquets feel fairly similar, and I don't really notice the lower RA, though it's hard to tell given the difference in patterns / head size affecting the strings reaction. I think I'd have to string the 100P 3 - 4 lbs higher in my full bed of poly for it to be really comparable. I will start with +2 lbs, and work my way from there. For you, the solution might be to go hybrid with a medium / soft poly in the mains, and multi in the crosses. Perhaps 46 to 48 lbs on the poly and around 52 lbs on the multi would do the trick, but you'd have to experiment. Soft hybrid + soft frame, this should remain arm friendly enough.

Good luck experimenting with the frame.
 
just seen a 100 and 100p on the bay cheap here in UK, rare they ever come up for sale this side of the pond, am i right in thinking p has more slightly more power and diff handle but there is not much difference other than that?
 
Conclusion:
- will definitely reserve the 93P for doubles, as the game needs to be more offensive and one gets less stretched in defence
- still need to adjust the string tension on the PP100P. The Hyper G 16L at 48lbs feels a bit mushy for my liking in a 100 sq.in. frame, I need to firm it up a bit. Will probably go to 50lbs, and it will be my racquet of choice for singles
I agree that the 93P really shines as a doubles stick. But in singles what I've learned to do on defense is hit deep slices off both wings to get back in the point. That seems to be the better shot for the 93P than trying to flick back a deep drive. The 93P has enough mass in the head to get a pretty low deep slice back.
As long as your opponent is an attacker and is hanging back, those deep slices neutralize them nicely.
 
I agree that the 93P really shines as a doubles stick. But in singles what I've learned to do on defense is hit deep slices off both wings to get back in the point. That seems to be the better shot for the 93P than trying to flick back a deep drive. The 93P has enough mass in the head to get a pretty low deep slice back.
As long as your opponent is an attacker and is hanging back, those deep slices neutralize them nicely.
Deep slice is always a good weapon on clay. :happydevil:
 
Thoughts on a poly/multi setup for the PP100P ?

I've been playing with PP100P for a few months now with a multi/syn gut hybrid. Overall, I really like the racket and I'm pretty happy with the string setup, but I'm ready to try a different string setup, mainly to get a little more spin.

As much as I like the playing characteristics of poly, I generally avoid it because of past shoulder issues when I use poly, which originated back to the days when I used to use a full bed of the original Big Banger.

Anyway, I was thinking of giving a poly/multi hybrid a try with Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 @48 in the mains and Head Velocity either 16 or 17 @52 in the crosses.

I also have a set of YTex Quadro Twist 16L that I could use for the poly and Babolat Origin 16, Head Syn Gut PPS and Gosen Micro Sheep 16 that I could use for the crosses.

Thoughts ?
 
Thoughts on a poly/multi setup for the PP100P ?

I've been playing with PP100P for a few months now with a multi/syn gut hybrid. Overall, I really like the racket and I'm pretty happy with the string setup, but I'm ready to try a different string setup, mainly to get a little more spin.

As much as I like the playing characteristics of poly, I generally avoid it because of past shoulder issues when I use poly, which originated back to the days when I used to use a full bed of the original Big Banger.

Anyway, I was thinking of giving a poly/multi hybrid a try with Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 @48 in the mains and Head Velocity either 16 or 17 @52 in the crosses.

I also have a set of YTex Quadro Twist 16L that I could use for the poly and Babolat Origin 16, Head Syn Gut PPS and Gosen Micro Sheep 16 that I could use for the crosses.

Thoughts ?
Quadro Twist/PPS could be interesting. Try 21kg.
 
Thoughts on a poly/multi setup for the PP100P ?

I've been playing with PP100P for a few months now with a multi/syn gut hybrid. Overall, I really like the racket and I'm pretty happy with the string setup, but I'm ready to try a different string setup, mainly to get a little more spin.

As much as I like the playing characteristics of poly, I generally avoid it because of past shoulder issues when I use poly, which originated back to the days when I used to use a full bed of the original Big Banger.

Anyway, I was thinking of giving a poly/multi hybrid a try with Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 @48 in the mains and Head Velocity either 16 or 17 @52 in the crosses.

I also have a set of YTex Quadro Twist 16L that I could use for the poly and Babolat Origin 16, Head Syn Gut PPS and Gosen Micro Sheep 16 that I could use for the crosses.

Thoughts ?
In my 100P I am currently using Ytex's Quadro Twist in the mains with their Protour (basic round poly) as the crosses at 44lbs and it plays fantastic! I play mostly doubles and really set up my partner at the net with easy put always because of the amount of heavy topspin I get from that setup. I've tried poly/synthetic hybrids and I just can't gel with them.

My most recent experiment was a multi/poly hybrid. I had tecnifibre multifeel 17g in the mains with Ytex Square-X in the crosses at 49lbs. This setup has given me the most power I've felt from these Phantoms (I haven't tried gut yet). It was super easy to flatten out shots and give me the put away power that I used to have in my Pure Strikes PO7.
 
I agree that the 93P really shines as a doubles stick. But in singles what I've learned to do on defense is hit deep slices off both wings to get back in the point. That seems to be the better shot for the 93P than trying to flick back a deep drive. The 93P has enough mass in the head to get a pretty low deep slice back.
As long as your opponent is an attacker and is hanging back, those deep slices neutralize them nicely.
That's a good piece of advice. I do this naturally on the backhand, as I hit sliced on this wing probably 80% of the time, but don't use the slice enough on the forehand. I need to work on this, both in defensive situations when I am stretched, or when I get a really low ball landing short, to just redirect it in an open area of the court.
 
Thoughts on a poly/multi setup for the PP100P ?

I've been playing with PP100P for a few months now with a multi/syn gut hybrid. Overall, I really like the racket and I'm pretty happy with the string setup, but I'm ready to try a different string setup, mainly to get a little more spin.

As much as I like the playing characteristics of poly, I generally avoid it because of past shoulder issues when I use poly, which originated back to the days when I used to use a full bed of the original Big Banger.

Anyway, I was thinking of giving a poly/multi hybrid a try with Solinco Tour Bite Soft 17 @48 in the mains and Head Velocity either 16 or 17 @52 in the crosses.

I also have a set of YTex Quadro Twist 16L that I could use for the poly and Babolat Origin 16, Head Syn Gut PPS and Gosen Micro Sheep 16 that I could use for the crosses.

Thoughts ?
I personally don't find tour bite soft to be soft at all. I do like it, and I use it as a cross string in some setups. But never as a main or full bed.

I do use full bed of hyper g in a 93p right now, 17g at 46lbs. It looks cool. And it kicks ass.
 
If you want more power and much more comfort, try Signum Pro X-perience 1.18. And it looks damn cool too. :alien:(y)
I'll try anything that looks cool. Question - how does it hold up? I don't really need more power and tend to favor lower powered rackets and strings. No comfort issues with hyper g.

My favorite aspect of hyper g is that I can hit with it until the string breaks and I never feel like it's dead. Probably a subjective thing, but most polys - you just feel the shot where you kill the string and know it's gotta be cut.
 
I'll try anything that looks cool. Question - how does it hold up? I don't really need more power and tend to favor lower powered rackets and strings. No comfort issues with hyper g.

My favorite aspect of hyper g is that I can hit with it until the string breaks and I never feel like it's dead. Probably a subjective thing, but most polys - you just feel the shot where you kill the string and know it's gotta be cut.
If you don't need more power and if your arm can handle it (in long period), then stay with Hyper G.
But maybe you could just give a try to X-perience 1.18, to compare... :sneaky:
 
has anyone extended either of these sticks? i'm thinking of adding half and inch as only really like to play extended, just wondering if anyone has any experiences of it with these rackets?
 
Reporting after another session of 1 1/2 hours playing singles (super set) this morning with the PP100P. This time, I had Hyper G 17 at 50lbs.

I think I like the 17 at 50 a bit better than the 16L at 48, which felt a bit mushy. Feels a bit cleaner at contact, and I am less concerned about balls flying long.

Having played a bit with the 93P the week prior, I did notice that the PP100P does not come as quickly through the air. I had added a bit of lead at 3 and 9 to add a bit of plow through, but seeing that the racquet is bigger / slightly less headlight than the 93P, I think I only succeeded at making it more sluggish. Removed the lead mid way through the game, and this made a noticeable difference, especially on the forehand, where I like to whip the ball cross court.

So my advice would be, for people looking to add mass on this frame, to go for a leather grip or some lead on the throat, but avoid lead in the hoop.
 
I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be more aerodynamic.
 
I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be more aerodynamic.
I think it's a combination of balance (the 93P is 3 points more HL) and size (the PP100P is larger and drags more as a result).
 
I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be
I cant say whether it swings faster but balance definitely plays a very big factor whether the racquet "feels" light and or less sluggish.. I think you can take a racquet..add leather grip and make it feel quicker, faster...
 
I had TW match it to the same weight/sw specs as the Pro 100p in stock form, and then I added a couple grams in the throat and a couple grams total at 3/9. Made it feel totally different than when I had demo'd it in stock form with a full bed of multi. Only thing that felt the same was the "flex" feel on ball impact. Everything else was much better (for me) with the added lead.
 
I'm looking for input from those who've played with both PP100 and PP100P. Which frame do you think plays better weighted up? The 93P is my day to day to racquet and I play with it stock. I'm used to the weight and balance of the 93P and I'm also okay with the lack of power because I get control in return and can really swing out without fear of sending the ball against the fence. A weighted PP100 or PP100P would have to play similar, but give me more margin for error. The 93" head can be challenging on "off" days and returning big serves. The ultra low RA of the PP100 is enticing, but it's built completely different from the 93P while the PP100P has the same box beam design.
I own one of each (PP100 and PP100P). Needed a lot of lead on the PP100 to get it where I wanted, but only needed very minimal amount of lead at 10/2 on the PP100P just to open up the sweet spot a bit, already had all the plow I needed in stock form. I demo'd the 93p and didn't like it. For me, the 100p has all the good qualities of the 93p but is easier to swing and easier to generate topspin.

I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be more aerodynamic.
It doesn't. At least not for me. The 93p felt very awkward/heavy in my hands. The PP100p took a few times playing it to totally get in sync with the swing, but it was way easier to swing than the 93p, in my opinion.
 
Excellent advice and as soon I’m set up I’ll let you know how the different string setups work. Issue I’m having now is I live in Bangkok and they are not selling prince rackets here anymore. I will prob order from overseas at some point but customs duties can be anywhere from reasonable to ridiculous in Thailand. Thanks again for all your input. Great thread !!
I wish I had seen your post earlier. I visit Bangkok often for work even though I live in philly. When I’m there I hit at spin and slice. I could have brought some stuff for ya. Maybe on my next visit.


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I'm still trying to figure out how the much heavier 93P can swing faster than the PP100P. The swingweights are practically the same. Could aerodynamics play that much of a factor with swing speed? Then the Babolat Pure Aero or the Dunlop dimple textured racquets should cut through the air even faster since they were engineered to be more aerodynamic.
Yes the Pure Aero swings faster. That's why its so popular.

A smaller head will swing faster than a larger head with comparable swing weights. A more aerodynamic frame will swing faster than a less aerodynamic head. But whether that provides more RHS depends on other factors.

The 93P swings faster for me because I'm confident in it. I feel a connection to it I don't feel with most midplus rackets. I know where that sweet spot is going to be and I can just swing freely.
 
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