I noticed using head tape helped the PP100P a lot too...probably a few grams around the upper hoop.
Prince Phantom Pro and Phantom Pro100P
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I noticed using head tape helped the PP100P a lot too...probably a few grams around the upper hoop.
DanS
Semi-Pro
I had both at one point... I no longer have the Pro 100 if that gives you any indication of my feelings!
liftordie
Hall of Fame
And me I love SO MUCH my PP100s!!!I had both at one point... I no longer have the Pro 100 if that gives you any indication of my feelings!
If that can gives you any indication of my feelings!!!
DanS
Semi-Pro
I figured that one out a while ago! lolAnd me I love SO MUCH my PP100s!!!
If that can gives you any indication of my feelings!!!
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Tommy Haas
Hall of Fame
Spin and comfort are way better with Pro 100. With also great control and so good feeling.
Were you comparing the PP100 with the PP100P? Pro 100 with rounded beam gives you more spin, control and comfort over the box beam 100P?
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Pro 100.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
More spin and comfort for sure. But if you are the real Tommy Haas, the 100P or 93P will fit your game better!
Think I'll side with Pro 100 too
So, did some testing and it looks like spin gains are negligible between a full poly and hybrid. Power numbers were also very similar, which supports that stroke mechanics play the biggest role in those regards. The biggest difference were more on launch angle, as my depth of shots dramatically decreased. Throughout the session, I avg'd 1300 rpm and 65 mph regardless of the string type. I did however, have to make stroke adjustments at some point with the polys, adding shape to the shot and taking off pace. At that point, rpm's jumped to the 2000s with the speed at around 50 on avg but I was forced to grind out points.
Sadly, thats not my game. I like to be an aggressive baseliner and I could not do that with my quality opponent. Had to switch back to the hybrid strings to flatten out my shot and penetrate a little deeper.
I have to say, Big Hitter Black 7 was the preferred between that and weiss cannon ultra cable. Felt softer, with better feel. The sweet spot contact was really nice.
Sticking to the poly/origin cross for now. I think the racket is just too low powered and the stringbed too dense to try and develop some kind of spinny game behind it.
Sadly, thats not my game. I like to be an aggressive baseliner and I could not do that with my quality opponent. Had to switch back to the hybrid strings to flatten out my shot and penetrate a little deeper
. I have to say, Big Hitter Black 7 was the preferred between that and weiss cannon ultra cable. Felt softer, with better feel. The sweet spot contact was really nice.
Sticking to the poly/origin cross for now. I think the racket is just too low powered and the stringbed too dense to try and develop some kind of spinny game behind it.
Hayward Butler
Rookie
Have you tried Technifibre Multifeel black 16 or 17 guage? If you decide to do so, then start at the low end of the scale when stringing, around 45 lbs. (20 to 21 kg.).So, did some testing and it looks like spin gains are negligible between a full poly and hybrid. Power numbers were also very similar, which supports that stroke mechanics play the biggest role in those regards. The biggest difference were more on launch angle, as my depth of shots dramatically decreased. Throughout the session, I avg'd 1300 rpm and 65 mph regardless of the string type. I did however, have to make stroke adjustments at some point with the polys, adding shape to the shot and taking off pace. At that point, rpm's jumped to the 2000s with the speed at around 50 on avg but I was forced to grind out points.
Sadly, thats not my game. I like to be an aggressive baseliner and I could not do that with my quality opponent. Had to switch back to the hybrid strings to flatten out my shot and penetrate a little deeper
I have to say, Big Hitter Black 7 was the preferred between that and weiss cannon ultra cable. Felt softer, with better feel. The sweet spot contact was really nice.
Sticking to the poly/origin cross for now. I think the racket is just too low powered and the stringbed too dense to try and develop some kind of spinny game behind it.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Really good multi.
And any string or hybrid you try, never go higher than 22kg with Pro 100.
Follow Up to my previous question - but I think it fits with the thread at the moment. Any peeps compare the power of the PP100 with some additional weight to the PP100P (stock). I love the pop of the PP100P, I think it's under rated. But if the weighted version of the PP100 is as good as everybody says, I need to give it a second look.
TripleB
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The Gamma DuraGuard clear headtape I use adds about 3g (.10 oz) around the head of the racquet and makes the racquet about 1 point less headlight.
TripleB
TheOtherBecker
Rookie
OT, but Anyone know who still makes old school cloth head tape? I got some “Head” brand (get it?) this year, and it’s rubbery and sticks to the ground if I scrape it trying to pick up a ball, and doesn’t seem very durable.
I may just use photographer’s gaffer’s tape when this roll wears out. Which is basically what Head tape used to be anyway.
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TheOtherBecker
Rookie
Anyone else notice the racquet Andy is holding on the cover of his podcast looks suspiciously like a blacked out PPP100P, but with Twaron?
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That's what I use... Tried a roll of the clear tape from tennis warehouse and the amount of residue it leaves behind is ridiculous
1.5" has more coverage but is a bit heavy so I use 1"
No. Update to the current Textreme Tour line.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/prince-tour-95-and-tour-100-availability.628517/
TripleB
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I asked a question on the T-W instagram about a racquet ever having the 14x18 string pattern again (because I love the 14x18 string pattern on my Prince Original Graphite Mid and my Prince CTS Approach 90) and was told: "We think you might get excited about one racquet in particular that will be coming in the future."
TripleB
TripleB
TheOtherBecker
Rookie
Yeah, I knew about the new Tours, but that pic looked a little to thin beamed and squared off for me at first blush. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. On closer inspection, that could easily be a Tour, but I still hold out hope that there might be a Twaron Phantom sometime in the future. I guess it makes sense to Demo the new Tours, to see how it really affects the playability. These frames are near perfect for me, so I’d hate for them to mess them up.
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Hayward Butler
Rookie
Chris mentioned, on another post, that two new Phantoms will be coming out around February. It would be nice if there was a ported version with the Twaron treatment and a 98 version with a 58 to 60 flex rating. I think the new Tour models are going to be stiffer and this would give room for the Phantoms to stand alone amongst the Prince series with their lower flex ratings. I really like the flex of the Phantoms. I hope that Prince keeps the Phantom series at a 61 or below rating, with or without Twaron.
Tommy Haas
Hall of Fame
Does any know Andy's height? Maybe some math wizards can figure out what size that new racquet is using the size of his head or hand as a frame of reference. LOL
He is listed at 5'10'' on his playtester profile on TW.
I'm trying to decide to decide between the PP100 and PP100P cause my elbow hurts with my stiff Winson Burn CV. I have a very open grip and use lots of spin.
How is it that in the TW reviews of the Phantom Pro 100 and the Phatntom Pro 100P the power or higher in the first one?
The PP100 have less stiffness and also less weight than the PP100P.
Which one will be better for a player that hits lots of top spin?
How is it that in the TW reviews of the Phantom Pro 100 and the Phatntom Pro 100P the power or higher in the first one?
The PP100 have less stiffness and also less weight than the PP100P.
Which one will be better for a player that hits lots of top spin?
liftordie
Hall of Fame
PP100 for sure. You will enjoy so much.
Is it that much the difference between the two?
I like the stiffness lowered from the PP100 and maybe better top spin but I'm sorry for the lack of power against the PP100P.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Use a powerful poly at low tension and you will have ALL the power you need!
And your arm will feel so good that you will be able to hit with all your strength and with all the spin you can generate!!
Trust me, that frame is INSANE!!! My game has improved so much since I use it.
I personally use a hybrid Signum Pro X-perience 1.18/Pro's Pro Synthetic Gut 1.30 at 23kg and it is simply awesome in every point.
May the green force be with you.
LeftyJunk
Rookie
When you let your six year old son pick your string colors... Merry Christmas from my racquet to yours!
Christmas Strings
Christmas Strings
Use a powerful poly at low tension and you will have ALL the power you need!
And your arm will feel so good that you will be able to hit with all your strength and with all the spin you can generate!!
Trust me, that frame is INSANE!!! My game has improved so much since I use it.
I personally use a hybrid Signum Pro X-perience 1.18/Pro's Pro Synthetic Gut 1.30 at 23kg and it is simply awesome in every point.
May the green force be with you.
I just tried the PP100P and I'm waiting for the PP100 to arrive in a couple weeks.
The PP100P came with 52 pounds with Luxilon Alu Power strings.
The demo was good. Specially in the backhand side. But let's see with the new strings I'm putting.
I want to demo both PP100P and PP100 with same strings and tension so I went for this:
Technifibre X-one Biphase to put at 45 pounds.
Is it a good string and tension for this raquets?
liftordie
Hall of Fame
X-one is maybe the best multi on the market.
But it is not really spin friendly... If you want great spin and comfort, try poly/sgut hybrid.
X-one is maybe the best multi on the market.
But it is not really spin friendly... If you want great spin and comfort, try poly/sgut hybrid.
Thank you for the help.
I made a mistake then. I'll go to the store to try change the strings. I don't have many choices in the shop here for strings.
I can get the Babolat RPM blast 15L or a Luxilon. Are they good options with 45 pounds tension?
liftordie
Hall of Fame
RPM 15L is way too thick... And I don't know Luxilon strings but it is really too much expensive....
Why not buying online??
liftordie
Hall of Fame
47lbs (21kg) is a good place to start. But it depends a lot with the type of string.....
Good luck!
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Start with 21 mains 19 crosses.
Mkiske
Semi-Pro
It will be a fair comparative between these Phantom Pro.
Hayward Butler
Rookie
Hayward Butler
Rookie
Hayward Butler
Rookie
Hayward Butler
Rookie
The racquet pictures here are of a reissue of the Tour 16x18. The Phantom Pro is my racquet of choice at the moment but this is my all-time favorite with a fantastic new paint job.
