Prince Phantom

Toby14

Professional
600-> Phantom Pro P93 (18x20)
650 -> Phantom Pro P93 (14x18)
725 -> Phantom Pro 100 (18x20)
750 -> Phantom Pro 100 (Grommets) (16x18)
775 -> Phantom 100 (O-ports) (16x18)
800 -> Phantom Pro 100P (16x18)

Now it's complete and aggregated
One of the most powerful racquets I played, and also according to TWU database is the POGOS or POG107 with a powerlevel of 700 - so I am sceptical about these power numbers.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
so I am sceptical about these power numbers.
In fairness, I think Prince intends them to be used as a loose guide to compare within the brand. But I do agree - the numbers can be misleading and don’t necessarily bear out, depending for example on the player or how the racquet is set up.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
One of the most powerful racquets I played, and also according to TWU database is the POGOS or POG107 with a powerlevel of 700 - so I am sceptical about these power numbers.
I think within the Phantom line they bear out reasonably well. I know that I'm stringing different tensions in my 100 ported, 100 18x20 and my 93P (55/50, 54/48 and 50/45 in a gut/poly hybrid).

I never paid attention to the numbers before but now that I see them, it fits with how I ended up stringing my rackets.
 

B Cubed

Semi-Pro
One of the most powerful racquets I played, and also according to TWU database is the POGOS or POG107 with a powerlevel of 700 - so I am sceptical about these power numbers.
I agree with the further comments on this for the Phantoms. To your point the POG 2013 (which I believe you are referring to) is a monster in power according to TU, and seems so in my experience. I have also felt the PP100P is the biggest pop of the Phantoms.
 

Capulin Zurdo

Hall of Fame
(Well, I acquired a Phantom during the memorial day sale at TW for an absolute bargain)

This is the first Prince racquet that I've throughly gotten to hit with. The paint job/ paint scheme is simple and sleek, and the overall aesthetic of the shape/mould of the frame is pleasing; the thin beam looks cool. Despite its specs, it feels a bit heftier than I was anticipating. Now, hitting with it is a great experience. It feels plush, stable yet it swings hefty while moving through the contact zone quickly. It feels so good in hand, man, I'm even more tempted by Prince's other offerings.
 

tata

Hall of Fame
(Well, I acquired a Phantom during the memorial day sale at TW for an absolute bargain)

This is the first Prince racquet that I've throughly gotten to hit with. The paint job/ paint scheme is simple and sleek, and the overall aesthetic of the shape/mould of the frame is pleasing; the thin beam looks cool. Despite its specs, it feels a bit heftier than I was anticipating. Now, hitting with it is a great experience. It feels plush, stable yet it swings hefty while moving through the contact zone quickly. It feels so good in hand, man, I'm even more tempted by Prince's other offerings.
I have sworn to end my racquetholism last year with the phantom 100p. Now my wife has offered to buy me a new racquet for my birthday so technically I am not buying it. The phantom 100 was on the list given the main difference is the beam construction and RA. If I was to choose this it would be more of a homecoming gift as I was a previous exo3 tour user.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
I have sworn to end my racquetholism last year with the phantom 100p. Now my wife has offered to buy me a new racquet for my birthday so technically I am not buying it. The phantom 100 was on the list given the main difference is the beam construction and RA. If I was to choose this it would be more of a homecoming gift as I was a previous exo3 tour user.
I'd ask for an Angell if the wife offers to buy me a new racquet...
 

Thrasher99

New User
Hi. I just wanted to thank everyone on this thread for their contributions. I started playing tennis again after a long break and developed really bad tennis elbow either from poor fitness or a rigid racket (Volkl Organix 8 - 315g) or both! I tried softer strings etc but no joy. I tried my son's Yonex DR100 but still had major issues. Then I found this thread....

So I bought a Phantom 100 as I gathered it was the last chance saloon for tennis players with TE. Wow! It's amazing. I can play pain free now. No icing for three days and eating brufen between games. It's like a miracle. Have strung it with Wilson Sensation 16 at 48 lbs. Plays beautifully. Will upgrade strings at some point to a thinner multi. Because it is so soft and forgiving I am no longer scared of taking marginal/risky shots as there is no vibration from mishits/framing. Just amazing.

As a racquet it plays beautifully - forehands are great, volleys beautifully, slices and chips amazingly, serves really well - flat and kick. Only weakness seems to be double handed backhand but am sure I will adapt in the coming weeks.

Once again thank you for your contributions, you all really helped me out.
 

Arzivu

Rookie
Glad that you have found your holy grail! It is really a beautiful and unique frame. Many have mentioned the low power, especially on serves, but that is not my case. Fellow phantom users and ports lovers, enjoy your tennis!
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Hi. I just wanted to thank everyone on this thread for their contributions. I started playing tennis again after a long break and developed really bad tennis elbow either from poor fitness or a rigid racket (Volkl Organix 8 - 315g) or both! I tried softer strings etc but no joy. I tried my son's Yonex DR100 but still had major issues. Then I found this thread....

So I bought a Phantom 100 as I gathered it was the last chance saloon for tennis players with TE. Wow! It's amazing. I can play pain free now. No icing for three days and eating brufen between games. It's like a miracle. Have strung it with Wilson Sensation 16 at 48 lbs. Plays beautifully. Will upgrade strings at some point to a thinner multi. Because it is so soft and forgiving I am no longer scared of taking marginal/risky shots as there is no vibration from mishits/framing. Just amazing.

As a racquet it plays beautifully - forehands are great, volleys beautifully, slices and chips amazingly, serves really well - flat and kick. Only weakness seems to be double handed backhand but am sure I will adapt in the coming weeks.

Once again thank you for your contributions, you all really helped me out.
Great to read!! (y)
Phantom 100 O3 or Pro 100?
 

max

Legend
I'm much liking the 93P. I don't know whether to jump on this as my frame for the next 4 years, or to pull out my old Dunlop Revelation Pro Tours and regrip them.
 

Grinch

New User
can anyone clear up what the difference is between the 100 Pro and the 100P Pro?

is it just beam width?
The P is slightly heavier (329 v 326), higher swing weight (329 v 320 ... not trivial), and a little stiffer (59 vs 55 RA). The beam is more traditional “box” or square beam, not as curvy (aerodynamic?) as the 100 Pro. The higher swingweight is what’s probably most noticeable to me as a lowly 4.0 hacker. Read the TW reviews for each and they lay out the differences well. What’s your current racket?If you play with an old dinosaur like me (PT280), and you don’t want much change, the P may feel mo betta. Demo demo both.
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
The P is slightly heavier (329 v 326), higher swing weight (329 v 320 ... not trivial), and a little stiffer (59 vs 55 RA). The beam is more traditional “box” or square beam, not as curvy (aerodynamic?) as the 100 Pro. The higher swingweight is what’s probably most noticeable to me as a lowly 4.0 hacker. Read the TW reviews for each and they lay out the differences well. What’s your current racket?If you play with an old dinosaur like me (PT280), and you don’t want much change, the P may feel mo betta. Demo demo both.
i'm currently alternating between the Speed Pro 360 and the Pure Aero 2016

played with the Wilson 6.1 18x20 for 10 years though so i'm definitely used to old school rackets

the P version seemed to have almost all good reviews while other one had some issues
 

Grinch

New User
i'm currently alternating between the Speed Pro 360 and the Pure Aero 2016

played with the Wilson 6.1 18x20 for 10 years though so i'm definitely used to old school rackets

the P version seemed to have almost all good reviews while other one had some issues
Why are you interested in a Phantom? ... quite a change from either the SpeedPro or PA, but especially the PA. Elbow or wrist issues?
 
I'm much liking the 93P. I don't know whether to jump on this as my frame for the next 4 years, or to pull out my old Dunlop Revelation Pro Tours and regrip them.
You will like beating opponents with angles, with volleys, with precision serves or simply just ripping the ball with the 93P

Just depends on your mood on the day.

 
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Thrasher99

New User
Thanks @liftordie for your advice on polys. Seen your thread on the Signum string. Racket looks hot with green strings.

Because of my absolute joy of being able to play pain free I will probably stick with multis for the foreseeable future - will try NRG2 next.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Thanks @liftordie for your advice on polys. Seen your thread on the Signum string. Racket looks hot with green strings.

Because of my absolute joy of being able to play pain free I will probably stick with multis for the foreseeable future - will try NRG2 next.
I had also arm pain before starting playing with Phantom Pro 100. But the pain disappeared completely with Phantom. It was magic...
I started with multi like Tecnifibre HDX and Multifeel. Amazing multis!!
Then, after only one month, I tried Signum Pro X-perience in the Phantom and NO pain anymore!! I can absolutely confirm that the Phantom healed my arm!
And now I play with Prince O3 Tour 100 and Hyper-G without any pain.
Prince are the BEST frames after 40, to keep playing a lot at a good level without any arm problems. From wrist to shoulder. And with poly, of course! ;)
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
Why are you interested in a Phantom? ... quite a change from either the SpeedPro or PA, but especially the PA. Elbow or wrist issues?
couple reasons

i've had chronic hand pain for the last several years and i think a softer racket is gonna help

the SpeedPro is already a softer racket than what i've been using before and i'm already feeling the difference

the Phantom is only gonna be more comfortable and soft

also a lot of the reviews i read basically called this racket the holy grail so i'm really curious what the noise is about
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
couple reasons

i've had chronic hand pain for the last several years and i think a softer racket is gonna help

the SpeedPro is already a softer racket than what i've been using before and i'm already feeling the difference

the Phantom is only gonna be more comfortable and soft

also a lot of the reviews i read basically called this racket the holy grail so i'm really curious what the noise is about
Holy Grail when you have real injury and pain. For sure.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
on and off hand pain on the forehand side

playing with the PA past week hasnt done me any favors
I was also playing with old PA before Phantom... PA gave me real pain.
Phantom was a real cure for near 8 months.
Now I love so much my O3 Tour 100 with Hyper-G. I can play minimum 6/8 hours per week without any pain!
Prince saved my arm!
And I play the best tennis of my life with that delicious setup. :love:
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
I was also playing with old PA before Phantom... PA gave me real pain.
Phantom was a real cure for near 8 months.
Now I love so much my O3 Tour 100 with Hyper-G. I can play minimum 6/8 hours per week without any pain!
Prince saved my arm!
And I play the best tennis of my life with that delicious setup. :love:
now the big question for me is 100P Pro or just 100 Pro....
 

max

Legend
For me, the thing about 59-60 RA frames is that I just don't need the stiffness. . . for me, just too easy to hit the ball out with a stiff frame.

And the health aspect counts for something,too. Better feel/touch with the flex.
 

Arzivu

Rookie
I was also playing with old PA before Phantom... PA gave me real pain.
Phantom was a real cure for near 8 months.
Now I love so much my O3 Tour 100 with Hyper-G. I can play minimum 6/8 hours per week without any pain!
Prince saved my arm!
And I play the best tennis of my life with that delicious setup. :love:
What's your opinion on the o3 ports? Many do not like the vague feel or claim that it is a useless technology which, in addition, troubles the stringers. As for myself, I do not feel disconnected from the ball, I find the sweet spot expanded and I can definitely swing very fast through the air.
 

Thrasher99

New User
I found the o3 ports to be fantastic. Yes there is a dampened feel but I did not personally find it as weird as many have. Further the softness on mishits, I am pretty sure is thanks to this feature. For me, the fact that I can open up my swing and not worry about extending my arm for fear of stressing it means I would pretty much put up with anything. It really has been a game changer for me. Am playing three times a week, about 8hrs in total with no pain or inflammation. Previously I could barely manage an hour every two weeks.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
I found the o3 ports to be fantastic. Yes there is a dampened feel but I did not personally find it as weird as many have. Further the softness on mishits, I am pretty sure is thanks to this feature. For me, the fact that I can open up my swing and not worry about extending my arm for fear of stressing it means I would pretty much put up with anything. It really has been a game changer for me. Am playing three times a week, about 8hrs in total with no pain or inflammation. Previously I could barely manage an hour every two weeks.
Totally agree. I love the O3 ports. Not a gimmick like most racket techs.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
What's your opinion on the o3 ports? Many do not like the vague feel or claim that it is a useless technology which, in addition, troubles the stringers. As for myself, I do not feel disconnected from the ball, I find the sweet spot expanded and I can definitely swing very fast through the air.
My opinion is the same as you. ;)
I just can add that I have a great pro stringer (stringing at Roland Garros during the tournament) who can string O3 without any troubles! Fingers in the nose!!

What a fantastic feeling to hit with a Prince O3 strung with a good firm poly! Spin is crazy!!
And I would suggest to use only 16g and at the same tension main and cross, because there is really more string movement. O3's are string eaters!!
 

Arzivu

Rookie
There are many options for stringing ported rackets, so if someone is willing to search and learn, it isn't a big issue. It has been some years since I play exclusively with 16g for durability issues as well as enhancing the heaviness of the ball I strike. As for the string movement, I agree with you (I tend to break the crosses first, which was not the case with other sticks), although I haven't experienced early breakage or a noticeable difference with the stringbed lifespan, in comparison with grommet-frames.
 

JackStraw225

New User
I keep coming back to the PP100P. I've demo'd a bunch of racquets recently and the lack of touch and feel is so obvious with those. There is some magic in the thin-beam, flexy racquets, even if they don't provide the benefits of a more "modern" frame like free power, etc.

It's going to be hard for me to transition away from the Phantom line, especially if new options like a 97P are coming out soon...
 

mistapooh

Semi-Pro
Prince graphite 100 users, is the phantom racket similar feeling? I know the specs are close, but wondering for those who've hit with both can chime in. I've been out of tennis for a while and looking to come back! The prince graphite 100 was my holy grail before I quit.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Prince graphite 100 users, is the phantom racket similar feeling? I know the specs are close, but wondering for those who've hit with both can chime in. I've been out of tennis for a while and looking to come back! The prince graphite 100 was my holy grail before I quit.
Why not going back to your holy grail! :sneaky:
 

mistapooh

Semi-Pro
Why not going back to your holy grail! :sneaky:
Unfortunately, I'm in the USA and there aren't any retail stores selling them. I posted a wanted ad here though, so we'll see!
 
Was ready to give up on my PHANTOM O PORT when i decided to try a little weight to help with stability and solid feel with power. 2 wraps at the butt cap of 1/2 " lead tape then 1 wrap at the top of the grip. I added 2" long 1/4" tape at 3/9. WOW is all i can say . Comfort , power and solid feel / elbow loving and to think i almost gave up on this frame.
 

tata

Hall of Fame
The flexy ported frames have generally taken weight well. The port design allows the frame to still cut the air well with added weight.
 

Arzivu

Rookie
Read the characteristics of the new o3 phantom. Seems that the main difference is the addition of twaron, which stiffens up the frame a bit. Other than that, no real change..
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Was ready to give up on my PHANTOM O PORT when i decided to try a little weight to help with stability and solid feel with power. 2 wraps at the butt cap of 1/2 " lead tape then 1 wrap at the top of the grip. I added 2" long 1/4" tape at 3/9. WOW is all i can say . Comfort , power and solid feel / elbow loving and to think i almost gave up on this frame.
Added some more weight to 3 and 9 on mine recently and I like it. I had some at 12 Oclock previously but felt it could use a little more. Much better oomph and stability.
 
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