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Is the PP100 more powerful than the PP100P ?
Tordne
Semi-Pro
I have all of the Phantoms and given the same string and tension I would place the Phantom Pro 100 as the most powerful of them, despite it having the lowest Price Power Level number. I also prefer the feel of the Pro 100 over the Pro 100P, the later being a box beam and higher stiffness.
haqq777
Legend
Very informative posts, especially the last few ones for me. Thanks!
Tordne
Semi-Pro
Thank you, and you're most welcome.
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Thanks, is this in stock form or modified (if so what is your prefered spec)
I play the TT100P and the TT95, cant seem to make up my mind between the two - and now the PP100 and PP100P. Gives me headacke
Tordne
Semi-Pro
My rackets are modified. The stock specs are just too far below my sweet spot for me to make the timing adjustments. The racket comes through so fast on my backhand I hit into the court next to me LOL. So with overgrip and dampener my final spec is 345 grams static weight, balance of 313 m (9HL) and 332 swing weight. I like the Pro 100 more, but that is probably due to being. massive fan of the original Phantom 100. The feel of the Pro 100P was too different to what I loved about the Phantom 100. There is no question that the Phantom Pro 100P would be an awesome racket.
Tommy Haas
Hall of Fame
The other thread has the answers you seek.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...phantom-pro-and-phantom-pro100p.605428/page-6
I find that lower RA racquets have a catapult effect from it flexing back. That might be what you're feeling. My Redondo has that effect for sure.
I'm guessing the PP100P is closer to the TT100P because of the stiffness too...
Tordne
Semi-Pro
The Pro 100 feels less flexible that the ported Phantom. Given the similarities between the two it must one down to less string movement absorbing the ball before expelling from the string bed. Either way, played with the Phantom Pro 100 again this morning and I really love it for my game, all aspects of it.
Tordne
Semi-Pro
Wife and I saw Mona Barthel using the Phantom 100 at the ASB Classic today. She’s interested to try it so I bought a Grade A used from TW while at the court . I’m going to configure mine exactly the same as my Phantom Pro 100 (weight, balance and string). The Phantom 100 is a special racket for sure!!!
. I’m going to configure mine exactly the same as my Phantom Pro 100 (weight, balance and string). The Phantom 100 is a special racket for sure!!!
Tommy Haas
Hall of Fame
I think we have to give Prince much credit for making the PP100 (54RA) even more flexible than the P100 (56RA). One would think it's the O-ports that helped with the low RA, but the PP100 has a standard hoop with more graphite material than the O-port version which tells me that the low flex comes from the layup and not the O-port's lower flexibility resistance.
I had been debating whether to go with the PP100 or PP100P and have decided to go with the PP100 first. It's easier to customize a lower RA frame over a higher one. If the 54RA is too soft for me, it's easier to use stiffer strings and tension to compensate. We all know it's very hard to get a high RA racket to play softer using string customization because softer strings and lower tensions usually results in less control and amplifying the trampoline effect.
I also play against hard hitters and getting the racket around quickly isn't easy and I'm hoping the PP100 and its 54RA will help if I can't get the racket around fast enough, that the ball will stay on the strings long enough allowing me to hold it for a split second longer and getting the racket around to keep the shot in over spraying it wide.
I had been debating whether to go with the PP100 or PP100P and have decided to go with the PP100 first. It's easier to customize a lower RA frame over a higher one. If the 54RA is too soft for me, it's easier to use stiffer strings and tension to compensate. We all know it's very hard to get a high RA racket to play softer using string customization because softer strings and lower tensions usually results in less control and amplifying the trampoline effect.
I also play against hard hitters and getting the racket around quickly isn't easy and I'm hoping the PP100 and its 54RA will help if I can't get the racket around fast enough, that the ball will stay on the strings long enough allowing me to hold it for a split second longer and getting the racket around to keep the shot in over spraying it wide.
Whereas this seems intuitively likely, in fact the swing weight is the same on both which suggests that the O-ported version has as much mass (and by extension graphite) in the hoop as the Pro. It must therefore be set up to achieve that notwithstanding the holes, suggesting a greater density in places.
Tordne
Semi-Pro
I've just restrung my Phantom 100 with Völkl Cyclone 18L (Sergetti) like my Phantom Pro 100. I'll be very interested to see what the Sergetti delivers in terms of power, as most of the main pulls are below the reference spec. If you consider the RA on the Phantom Pro 100 low, you need to feel that Phantom 100. The ports (or something else in the layup) make that feel so much softer by comparison. But I attribute it to the ports, and just how much string movement they enable. Hoping to get out this afternoon or tomorrow morning and hit them back-to-back. They are pretty much the same spec in terms of weight, balance and SW, and now also string type and method.
I think I have asked this before but now that we have more experience of people using this frame how does this compare to the exo tour of 18x20? I enjoyed it that frame but lacked a bit of plow or put away power. This phantom is the closest frame on the market to it and while it is a 16x18, it does have a dense center with 8 mains in the throat. I really loved the fast feel of the exo tour but I sold mine unfortunately.
I've used the Tour 100 18x20, so I don't know how much I can compare. The I've never played with the Exo, but I hear it's much softer. The Phantom will definitely have more power. It seems around the same power level as my 100 18 x20. A little more open pattern feel, regardless of the 8 mains that are dense. But I could go between the two pretty easily.
Any update on which racket will you choose?
Tordne
Semi-Pro
I've been playing a lot the last couple of weeks, with the best intention of selecting the Phantom Pro 100 as being the racket I'd settle on. What ended up happening though is I just found myself not being as effective in some key areas in match play. Due to having had tennis elbow I think I was really infatuated with the thin beam and low RA and not really being entirely objective. So I set about considering a few rackets contenders in key aspects (like server, power, spin, accuracy, feel etc). Surprising what that exercise ended up telling me is that I would be much better to be playing with my customised Babolat Pure Aero or Head Custom Made Prestige rackets. So that's the approach I'm taking right now. If I have any arm concerns in the future then in all probability I'll come back to the Phantoms.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Tennis elbow is no joke. I have many rackets that I play "better" with that I will not use because of their adverse effect on arm health. The key to tennis at a recreational level is finding the racket that saves your arm and allows you to play your best. If you can do that with a Babolat Pure Aero, more power to you. But if you are having TE issues, you owe it to yourself to stick with softer frames and strings. Tennis is a sport for life if you don't wreck your arm fussing about your performance.
I love my Phantom. Do I play as well with it as i do with a Pure Drive? No not really. Do I have more fun playing because my arm doesn't hurt and I have to find other ways to beat opponents rather than just ball bashing? Absolutely.
darklore009
Hall of Fame
I did read the past comments about the Phantom Pro 100P being the more firmer one out of all the phantoms. Im curious if its comparable to the TT95. the 95 is much firmer than the RA says and plays more solid. There are times I would be inconsistent and the racket punish me for not being top form. Wonder if the 100P will be a bigger contender for that.
Tordne
Semi-Pro
Yup, you are exactly correct! It's finding that balance for the individual player. I play about 3-5 times a week, so a decent amount of tennis. My Pure Aero is customised, SW slightly over 330 and quite a bit of Blu Tac in the handle (which also has a dampening effect) which gets a nice 31.3 cm HL balance. So they are way more comfortable (for me) than they come in stock form. Similarly the Head Custom Made Prestiges are basically Pro Stock frames, prepared by the Head Pro Room using silicone in the handle etc. So if I find that the Pure Aero ends up accumulating on my arm that could be my next best option. If that does't enable me to play my tennis schedule then I'm sure that I'll be back with the Phantoms, at which point I'll have had to make some performance concessions in order to keep playing.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
It's less performance concessions and more altering how you play.
Every racket has its strengths and weaknesses and the longer you play with a certain racket the more you develop your game in sync with those strengths. I developed my game with Pure Drives and became a predominantly baseline player. With the phantoms, baseline ball bashing are not its strengths although admitted I hit really nice topspin forehands with it. 2HBH's are a liability and it's not a super stable RoS racket. But it excels at slice shots, volleys, spin serves. So I've been steadily working them into my game and getting results now that are not dissimilar to what I had with the Pure Drives.
I suspect if you'd played with Phantoms for a few years and picked up a Pure Aero you'd have the same issues. Your game wouldn't fit because it had evolved with a very different kind of racket.
I believe people should play the racket their arm likes best and modify their game to fit that racket. I think trying to find a racket that fits your game best then trying to overcome arm issues from it just leads to long term problems. We all get seduced by easy spin and power but it comes at a price for many.
Been there with TE, hope you heal well.
I also have TE previously and P100 is really comfortable for my arm
Tordne
Semi-Pro
Thanks very much. Fortunately not actively suffering with any TE, so that’s awesome. Good luck with the Phantom, and who knows, I could be back in the future.
That design totally works IMHO. Double bridge in something like the TXT Tour 100P would be sweet. Pun intended.
What does the “P” mean when it follows the number? I thought the 100P meant 100Pro but now there is the Pro 100? Anyone know?
PSC85
Semi-Pro
something like this, unfortunately just doesn't seem to be making across the pacific any time soon
Thanks. I get what you’ve described. To clarify my question, what does the P mean when it follows the head size number e.g. 100P?
something like this, unfortunately just doesn't seem to be making across the pacific any time soon
The POGs have the cross beam stabilizer (also a great feature), not the double bridge. The double bridge is the split throat bridge with the polymer insert. It softens the feel of the string bed, like a dampener.
PSC85
Semi-Pro
I guess the cross bar stabilizer and double bridge are synonymous in Japan. In a way double bridge does seem to be evolution of the cross bar. https://princetennis.jp/product/7tj017
We just need Prince to bring these back to the product line.
Here’s a pic of the US double bridge. It’s a cool feature if you like damp buttery sticks.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Tour_100T_ESP_Racquets/descpageRCPRINCE-PT100T.html
I don't think it stands for anything, just a way to differentiate between the other two Phantoms.
Similar to how the P, T, L do not mean anything in the Textreme Tour line, but the letters put them in different player categories and weight.
n8dawg6
Legend
i would play one of these for appearance alone. would need to add some blue to it though (overgrip, strangs)something like this, unfortunately just doesn't seem to be making across the pacific any time soon
TennisPassie
New User
Indeed
loosegroove
Hall of Fame
They're like exo ports in that they're rectangular and not oval, but they're like 03 ports in the sense that the ports are the frame itself and not plastic inserts. That said, the orange boomerang will work, I'm not sure about the red. The gray ones are too thick.
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
Awesome thank you I have the orange one. I am just undecided on which Phantom to buy....
tennisBIEST
Professional
I have the Prince Phantom Pro 100. I’ve had numerous O3’s and Exo3’s. Save yourself the trouble and buy one of the the non ported phantoms. I’m in absolute love with the Phantom Pro 100. I can just annihilate the ball from the baseline with it! I’ve been playing with it completely stock and am using full bed of Volkl Cyclone with zero arm pain!
Tordne
Semi-Pro
Everything else has come out of my bag for the moment. I'm left with a couple of Phantom Pro 100's and a Phantom 100. I played a match yesterday and started with my customised Pure Aero. After losing the first set I had this feeling of not being in control, like is was having to make to many adjustments/allowances for the racket. I switched to my Phantom Pro 100 and for the rest of the match (which we won) I didn't have a single time where I felt like I was having to accomodate the racket. Played again today and the same experience, total confidence in every shot.
The only other racket that i will be trying when it comes out if the Yonex VCORE Pro 97. That looks like it could be really nice if the RA is 64 or below.
The only other racket that i will be trying when it comes out if the Yonex VCORE Pro 97. That looks like it could be really nice if the RA is 64 or below.
