The 2015 and 2019 versions of the Tour 100P have consistently received good reviews. I hit with the PS 18x20 ( project 1) for three years until i started to develop tennis elbow. The 100p has always been on my radar, but I never tried it. I’m thinking about the ATS 100p because of slightly lower static weight and less stiff… I want to appeal to all of you who play with this stick; especially those of you who have hit with the ATS version. Is an upgrade worth it?The 2019 model is still available.. Best, John
Prince Tour 100p thread
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3loudboys
G.O.A.T.
Use the 2015 white out Wimbledon version which is close in feel to the ATS. No arm pain, great control from a very open 18x20, huge spin and super stable. It’s a great all rounder for players looking for the feel of a players frame in a lighter package. Full bed poly at low 50’s works well.
I demoed the 2015 100p and I think the 1st gen PS 18x20 a while ago. Going to assume 2022 100p will play almost the same given the return to lower stiffness. I would say 100p pockets the ball better and is very comfy. Less raw power than the pure strike, but still power on tap to call upon, and maybe a smidge less precision than the PS 18x20. Could come down to string and tension but 100p felt more forgiving. The 100p seems to have a more open 18x20 string spacing. Again, depending on string and tension, the PS might feel a touch inherently more boardy in feel.
@Jonack - If you can front the cash, I would grab a '19 100P and a '22 100P and commit to a lengthy play-off between them. Both have their merits -- the '19 for its solid/thuddy impact, high stock twist weight (15+) and extra power from the stiffer throat and mid-hoop, the '22 for the extra comfort/dwell time and easier spin access (in trade for a bit less stability / lower twist weight). IMHO, there is no universally superior choice; it really comes down to personal preference.
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Interesting TW playtester reviews: Kristen, who plays with the 2019 version 100p, sort of trashed the ATS version as being unstable and causing some arm issues.. ( first time i have ever seen a TW play tester come down hard on a racquet. Usually, they are very politically correct… I don’t think Kristen is a playtester anymore)… Tiffani, who plays with the 2015 100p, is switching to the new ATS 100p. Tennisnerd put the 100p second behind the ATS 98, which I tried unsuccessfully… I thought it was heavy, not easy to swing..
Any of you out there actually playing with the ATS 100P? Please report your feelings… Thanks, John
Any of you out there actually playing with the ATS 100P? Please report your feelings… Thanks, John
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
So many people do that same tension of vs/rpm, do you love it?
10S-Junkie
Semi-Pro
The 2015 TT100P LTD white out version is still available on www.southamericanriver.c0m and .ca from some guys that are TW competitorsI'm looking for a 100P LTD white out version.
Is the 2019 100P as stiff as the standard TT100 from 2019? I could not get on with the 2019 tt100 for it's feel.
Great control and comfort. The 2019 TT100P is stiffer than the 2015 and ATS 100P models and therefore a bit more power.
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loosegroove
Hall of Fame
I had a session with the ATS tour 100p last night. It appeared to be strung in yonex poly tour pro 1.25mm. Strung up with an overgrip it came in at 331g so static weight was about right. Balance was 9pts HL with unknown swingweight but it felt quite substantial (possibly over spec).
Off the bat was the lower launch angle (hit the net a few times on the ball feed to start a rally). As you would expect, directional control was exceptional (cross court and down the line). Really enjoyed returns on it - very stable. The dense pattern kept my flatter 1BH in check and it sliced nicely. The stringbed felt quite uniform and off center shots seem to be quite responsive without considerable drop in power. My arm tends not to get along with poly strings but there was no discomfort after a 2hr session so the flex/comfort was there. I mainly struggled on my 1st serve, and I suspect it may be the swingweight being over. It was just very hard and awkward to time contact over my head.
Comparing it to my demo of the 2015 version it would be difficult since that demo had syn gut/multi strings. That demo was also under spec (323g strung with overgrip and swung quite fast). However, I did remember off center shots had a noticeable drop in power, making it not as forgiving on defense play (not sure if the issue was fixed with the ATS system in the 2022 version of just spec difference). With that demo being strung in a syn gut/multi, it also pocketed the ball much better so comfort was off the charts there. I remember serving effortlessly with that one and power was on tap.
Overall, the differences in spec variance and strings in the demo made it almost impossible to make a fair comparison. However, given that the main difference between the 2015 and 2022 version is ATS at 10 and 2 positions, and the fact that Tiffani at TW chose only to switch to the 2022 (skipped 2019) version, it would be almost fair to say that they are similar/almost identical (assuming all things equal such as spec, strings and tensions).
I will need more time with this to see if it is worth switching from my beast 98.
Off the bat was the lower launch angle (hit the net a few times on the ball feed to start a rally). As you would expect, directional control was exceptional (cross court and down the line). Really enjoyed returns on it - very stable. The dense pattern kept my flatter 1BH in check and it sliced nicely. The stringbed felt quite uniform and off center shots seem to be quite responsive without considerable drop in power. My arm tends not to get along with poly strings but there was no discomfort after a 2hr session so the flex/comfort was there. I mainly struggled on my 1st serve, and I suspect it may be the swingweight being over. It was just very hard and awkward to time contact over my head.
Comparing it to my demo of the 2015 version it would be difficult since that demo had syn gut/multi strings. That demo was also under spec (323g strung with overgrip and swung quite fast). However, I did remember off center shots had a noticeable drop in power, making it not as forgiving on defense play (not sure if the issue was fixed with the ATS system in the 2022 version of just spec difference). With that demo being strung in a syn gut/multi, it also pocketed the ball much better so comfort was off the charts there. I remember serving effortlessly with that one and power was on tap.
Overall, the differences in spec variance and strings in the demo made it almost impossible to make a fair comparison. However, given that the main difference between the 2015 and 2022 version is ATS at 10 and 2 positions, and the fact that Tiffani at TW chose only to switch to the 2022 (skipped 2019) version, it would be almost fair to say that they are similar/almost identical (assuming all things equal such as spec, strings and tensions).
I will need more time with this to see if it is worth switching from my beast 98.
weelie
Professional
I've played the 2015 model for a couple years. As an Agassi/Chang fan as a kid, I can dig the black/green cosmetic. To me it is a very basic racket, in a very positive way. Is not stiff nor head heavy, so good for the arm. Enough of everything, maybe not the best at anything but just works. The Gravity tour I had felt heavier and more jarring on off center shots. The TT100 310 was a bit bigger hitter / lacking control slightly and felt stiffer. I've added a little weight to the TT100Ps. TT100Ps 24/23kg with Kirchb PL II, Wilson Revolve 1.30mm or Dunlop Black Widow.
Lately I've been swinging a Phantom PP100, but just restrung one of the (three) TT100Ps, maybe will get to testing it today. The Phantom just never was that good in defense, but I do enjoy touch shots and how it makes you work for you shots.
Personally, maybe the 100x 305 were the perfect compromise. As for the looks, I am forever looking for 2nd hand "classic graphite" (100 or maybe 107), to look like my idols.
Anyway, I assume Tiffani endorsed ATS 100, is as close to the same as the 2015 as possible, just sporting a wacky cosmetic.
To me it is a very basic racket, in a very positive way. Is not stiff nor head heavy, so good for the arm. Enough of everything, maybe not the best at anything but just works. The Gravity tour I had felt heavier and more jarring on off center shots. The TT100 310 was a bit bigger hitter / lacking control slightly and felt stiffer. I've added a little weight to the TT100Ps. TT100Ps 24/23kg with Kirchb PL II, Wilson Revolve 1.30mm or Dunlop Black Widow.Lately I've been swinging a Phantom PP100, but just restrung one of the (three) TT100Ps, maybe will get to testing it today. The Phantom just never was that good in defense, but I do enjoy touch shots and how it makes you work for you shots.
Personally, maybe the 100x 305 were the perfect compromise. As for the looks, I am forever looking for 2nd hand "classic graphite" (100 or maybe 107), to look like my idols.
Anyway, I assume Tiffani endorsed ATS 100, is as close to the same as the 2015 as possible, just sporting a wacky cosmetic.
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@BillKid - I'm a 4.0-ish OHBH'er who's clocked a pretty decent amount of hours with the 2019 TT 100P (and 100-310). Even though they're stiffer than the current 2022 ATS Tours, certain elements do behave very similarly, such as the string beds, and for the 100P you'll find it to be very calm, predictable, with high consistency over a large percentage of the face area. It's also fairly open for an 18x20, so there's still a decent amount of spin and power on tap. I don't believe the overall mold shape has changed much over the years, and as such, the 100" hoop is fairly narrow/oval width-wise, and even though that means a bit less spin window than some other frames, the benefit is that it's less cumbersome to maneuver overall, and it handles as well as many 98's in that regard.
All that said, the primary challenge with the 2019's and a OHBH is the 15+ twist weight, which puts up more resistance to twisting/rotating the tip and face of the racquet through a topspin backhand. Fortunately, the ATS Tours have noticeably lower twist weights, which mostly alleviate the issue (the 100P dropping from a 15.1 in 2019 to a 13.7 in 2022), so I would suspect a decent improvement. The compromise when doing so, of course, is sometimes a drop in stability, but since the Tour head shape is a bit narrower, off-center shots don't get as far away from centerline as some other wider racquets, which means a "mostly stable" experience for the Tours -- or better -- on most shots.
In a nutshell, I think the ATS 100P is totally worth a try for a OHBH. If you do give it a shot, please do come back and let us know how it works out for you!
All that said, the primary challenge with the 2019's and a OHBH is the 15+ twist weight, which puts up more resistance to twisting/rotating the tip and face of the racquet through a topspin backhand. Fortunately, the ATS Tours have noticeably lower twist weights, which mostly alleviate the issue (the 100P dropping from a 15.1 in 2019 to a 13.7 in 2022), so I would suspect a decent improvement. The compromise when doing so, of course, is sometimes a drop in stability, but since the Tour head shape is a bit narrower, off-center shots don't get as far away from centerline as some other wider racquets, which means a "mostly stable" experience for the Tours -- or better -- on most shots.
In a nutshell, I think the ATS 100P is totally worth a try for a OHBH. If you do give it a shot, please do come back and let us know how it works out for you!
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tele
Hall of Fame
anyone playing with the ATS 100P regularly? For those that also have played the 95 and 98 (or the dr 98), how was targeting on full swings? I liked the 95, and although it wasn't a high-powered frame, it didn't feel as precise when going for it like the other 95 inch frames I have. Currently playing with a rebel 95, but interested having a more forgiving option in the bag that can be strung with a softer string (non-poly mains/cream crosses) without making you hesitant to take a full swing.
95 is quite strange as the 16x19 on it is not evenly spaced. That's why it is not that control oriented as other 95s.
WYK
Hall of Fame
You have to use one size smaller head pallet than your target width as the wilson hairpin is slightly thicker. So L3 pallets and an L4 buttcap. The same with Prince, though they are thicker yet.
WYK
Hall of Fame
I use a chisel and a lot of carefulness. Some people score it.
johnmccabe
Hall of Fame
Just make sure the ats 100p is not too much over spec. I have four 2019 100p and the new ats came in much much harder to swing.
BillKid
Hall of Fame
I took advantage of TW matching service and got 2 racquets just 4-5g over specs and more importantly a SW of 293 (10HL balance). I could hardly hope for more.
BillKid
Hall of Fame
Here are my first impressions with the Tour 100p ATS (strung with HyperG Soft 1.20 50 lbs)
Background: 4.5 baseliner, OHBH, hitting with topspin, eastern grips on both side. My usual stick is the Prince Beast 98. In the last few years, I had the opportunity to demo a bunch of frames including EZone 98, Pure Strike 16x19, TFight 305RS, TF40 16x19, PA VS, Extreme Tour, Clash 100, Gravity mp, and likely a few others that I forgot.
The racquet felt extremely comfortable, more muted than expected, zero vibration. You feel when you don’t hit the sweet spot but that’s it. As often emphasized, it’s an open 18x20. The feel is less boardy than many 18x20 I remember. Don’t be mistaken it still feels tighter than most 16x19 or 16x20. However it feels more open for example than the TF40 16x19, I would say it may be more like the Pure Strike 16x19. The launch angle is a bit low, nothing special.
Like the TFight 305, let’s say, it’s not the best stick to hit loopy balls, but it still provides very decent access to topspin. I really loved how I was able to flatten the ball with confidence, especially on my OHBH.
It’s rather low powered. Among the racquets above I would say that all have more power but the Gravity and TF40 and maybe the ET (but the one I tried felt pretty light). That said I did not feel like power was lacking (although I’m not a really powerful player) and the most important was that I could hit with a lot of confidence.
Although my slice BH can be a bit floaty, It was feeling good with the 100p, though it took me a little bit of adjustment (I began sending balls in the net).
From baseline or hitting volleys, it felt very maneuverable but solid and very stable at the same time.
Serve was not as good as the rest, especially at the beginning. I was not able to hit high bouncing kick serve.
I had a little trouble finding my rhythm when hitting slice and flat serve. I'm sure it was just a lack of adjustment, nothing serious.
TLDR: My first impression with the Tour 100p is extremely positive: amazing feel and comfort, high confidence when hitting from baseline with tons of control, enough topspin and power, excellent feel for volleys. Very maneuverable and stable. Need a little adjustment for serve.
With the possible exception of the TFight 305, no other racquet has made such a strong first impression on me in recent years.
Background: 4.5 baseliner, OHBH, hitting with topspin, eastern grips on both side. My usual stick is the Prince Beast 98. In the last few years, I had the opportunity to demo a bunch of frames including EZone 98, Pure Strike 16x19, TFight 305RS, TF40 16x19, PA VS, Extreme Tour, Clash 100, Gravity mp, and likely a few others that I forgot.
The racquet felt extremely comfortable, more muted than expected, zero vibration. You feel when you don’t hit the sweet spot but that’s it. As often emphasized, it’s an open 18x20. The feel is less boardy than many 18x20 I remember. Don’t be mistaken it still feels tighter than most 16x19 or 16x20. However it feels more open for example than the TF40 16x19, I would say it may be more like the Pure Strike 16x19. The launch angle is a bit low, nothing special.
Like the TFight 305, let’s say, it’s not the best stick to hit loopy balls, but it still provides very decent access to topspin. I really loved how I was able to flatten the ball with confidence, especially on my OHBH.
It’s rather low powered. Among the racquets above I would say that all have more power but the Gravity and TF40 and maybe the ET (but the one I tried felt pretty light). That said I did not feel like power was lacking (although I’m not a really powerful player) and the most important was that I could hit with a lot of confidence.
Although my slice BH can be a bit floaty, It was feeling good with the 100p, though it took me a little bit of adjustment (I began sending balls in the net).
From baseline or hitting volleys, it felt very maneuverable but solid and very stable at the same time.
Serve was not as good as the rest, especially at the beginning. I was not able to hit high bouncing kick serve.
I had a little trouble finding my rhythm when hitting slice and flat serve. I'm sure it was just a lack of adjustment, nothing serious.
TLDR: My first impression with the Tour 100p is extremely positive: amazing feel and comfort, high confidence when hitting from baseline with tons of control, enough topspin and power, excellent feel for volleys. Very maneuverable and stable. Need a little adjustment for serve.
With the possible exception of the TFight 305, no other racquet has made such a strong first impression on me in recent years.
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WYK
Hall of Fame
I forgot to mention that I also use a TK82 pallet vs a TK82S - the S is too square and blocky once fitted to a Wilson or Prince hairpin.
As for the 100P, I did manage to find an LTD/Whiteout version. Love the feel. I find with 120 string at mid tensions it has loads of power and spin and a surprisingly high launch angle for an 18X20.
BillKid
Hall of Fame
I am finalizing my review now that I am well familiar with the Tour 100p ATS.
The most remarkable thing for me is the really high comfort level. The feel is quite muted. While being far from a noodle, the racquet is quite soft. The string pattern, while relatively open for an 18x20, is obviously tighter than a 16x19. This doesn't compromise access to topspin, which remains a bit lower than on a 16x19, with lower launch angle and trajectories. The power level is correct without being particularly high. The Tour 100p is very maneuverable, very stable and gives a great feeling of confidence when hitting from the baseline. It's a perfect match for my OHBH semi-flat or topspin. It's also great for slice, although I did have to make a little adjustment on that end, as I tended to put a lot of balls into the net at the beginning (that was an easy fix, just to mention). At net, the stability and feel are very noticeable. On the serve, after a first session that wasn't very good, I got used to it and managed to serve flat or slice or kick without too much trouble. Nothing outstanding though, just normal.
All in all, a very comfortable and versatile racquet that fits my baseliner and OHBH game perfectly. The 18x20 string pattern, while open, may not be suitable for players who like to hit loopy balls, but allows me to play with great confidence and consistency. The power/control balance is more on the control side, but still a very good balance for me. Fantastic racquet that I intend to stick with for a while.
The most remarkable thing for me is the really high comfort level. The feel is quite muted. While being far from a noodle, the racquet is quite soft. The string pattern, while relatively open for an 18x20, is obviously tighter than a 16x19. This doesn't compromise access to topspin, which remains a bit lower than on a 16x19, with lower launch angle and trajectories. The power level is correct without being particularly high. The Tour 100p is very maneuverable, very stable and gives a great feeling of confidence when hitting from the baseline. It's a perfect match for my OHBH semi-flat or topspin. It's also great for slice, although I did have to make a little adjustment on that end, as I tended to put a lot of balls into the net at the beginning (that was an easy fix, just to mention). At net, the stability and feel are very noticeable. On the serve, after a first session that wasn't very good, I got used to it and managed to serve flat or slice or kick without too much trouble. Nothing outstanding though, just normal.
All in all, a very comfortable and versatile racquet that fits my baseliner and OHBH game perfectly. The 18x20 string pattern, while open, may not be suitable for players who like to hit loopy balls, but allows me to play with great confidence and consistency. The power/control balance is more on the control side, but still a very good balance for me. Fantastic racquet that I intend to stick with for a while.
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BillKid
Hall of Fame
My 100p ATS is strung with HyperG soft 17G at 48 lbs and I really enjoy that set up. I noticed that the string was lasting much longer than what I am used to. After at least 15-20 hours of play, the string still hasn't snapped and the playability and feel are still pretty good. This is unusual for me but I used to play with a more open string pattern before, so it may be an effect of the 18x20 pattern.
Now I would like to try Tecnifibre Triax to see how it compares to HyperG Soft. To date HyperG Soft is my favorite string but I want to give Triax a shot. I've been wondering for a long time how Triax compares to the "soft" poly strings I play with. What do you think and what tension would you recommend for the Triax? I was thinking maybe 51 lbs?
Now I would like to try Tecnifibre Triax to see how it compares to HyperG Soft. To date HyperG Soft is my favorite string but I want to give Triax a shot. I've been wondering for a long time how Triax compares to the "soft" poly strings I play with. What do you think and what tension would you recommend for the Triax? I was thinking maybe 51 lbs?
patrickluvsoj
Rookie
Posted in the ezone 98 channel but didn’t get a response so asking here.
How does the 100p and ezone 98 compare in terms of power, spin and launch angle?
Post in thread 'Yonex ezone 98 2022'
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/yonex-ezone-98-2022.732284/post-17317867
How does the 100p and ezone 98 compare in terms of power, spin and launch angle?
Post in thread 'Yonex ezone 98 2022'
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/yonex-ezone-98-2022.732284/post-17317867
johnmccabe
Hall of Fame
I'm playing with both weighed up to 340 grams. Difference in spin and launch angle is small and depends on string set-up. Ezone 98 gives more easy power for me. TT 100p is less whippy but more forgiving and arm friendly.
BillKid
Hall of Fame
I play with the 100p and have tried the EZone 98 several times, again recently.
My comparison is a bit limited by the fact that the two racquets did not have the same strings, however I would say that they are pretty close in terms of power, control and spin. I find the 100p a bit more comfortable and muted. Both are great and well balanced.
patrickluvsoj
Rookie
Do you have a sense on which one has higher launch angle and spin?
For me, find that ezone could be difficult to generate shape to the ball. If 100P can do better in this depart that would be nice. There's the 310 100 but that seems like it would be too much.
TennisHound
Legend
The 100p has a slight lower launch angle than the EZone 98. Not by much.
BillKid
Hall of Fame
I would say the same thing but the difference is not huge.
On the spin level, the two are close too. There are some rackets that bite the ball even more but I don't feel any lack on this side. I don't find the 18x20 string pattern of the 100p to be lacking spin at all.
TennisHound
Legend
Yep. The 100p plays better imo and it’s not a tight 18x20 pattern. The EZone 98 is not a good comparison.
patrickluvsoj
Rookie
What makes not a good comparison and what type of player suits each racket?
BillKid
Hall of Fame
Both are pretty versatile and may suit a variety of intermediate and advanced players. I would qualify them as tweeners for those who favor control and feel over raw power, spin and stiff feel (eg Pure Aero and Pure Drive clones). They are not excessively demanding like some players may think of more control oriented racquets (eg most Prestige, TF40, Pure Strike VS). For me the T100p is an easier Blade. Hard to be more specific.
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jmacdaununder2
Legend
Vive le Prince!!
patrickluvsoj
Rookie
Hey, Prince Tour 100P fans! Could this stick be a good option for me?
I'm currently playing ezone 98+
Serves are great and it helps me attack from the baseline but suffer in maneuverability. I notice I’m hitting further from the baseline to compensate which I don’t like. Also extra length makes it harder to hit balls on the rise when timing is more important.
What I'm looking for in a new racket
Blend of control and power. Versatility to hit flat shots as well as shots with spin & shape. Play style wise, I don’t like to stay in a baseline exchange. Prefer to find opportunity to get to the net. I mix in some serves and volleys.
Other options I am considering...
I'm currently playing ezone 98+
Serves are great and it helps me attack from the baseline but suffer in maneuverability. I notice I’m hitting further from the baseline to compensate which I don’t like. Also extra length makes it harder to hit balls on the rise when timing is more important.
What I'm looking for in a new racket
Blend of control and power. Versatility to hit flat shots as well as shots with spin & shape. Play style wise, I don’t like to stay in a baseline exchange. Prefer to find opportunity to get to the net. I mix in some serves and volleys.
Other options I am considering...
- Ezone 98 (standard length)
- Pure strike
- Speed pro
- Vcore 98
omegaman
New User
I played five years with the Tour 100P before eventually switching to the 2022 Speed Pro. The Speed Pro doesn't have the same feel and flex but very similar obviously being a 100 18 x 20 . The other noticeable difference is it's not as maneuverable on my one handed backhand. For reference I tried a Blade and TF40 before finally making the switch.
cuonglaiphoto
New User
I got the 2019 100P and I would like to know how you guys lead up the stick? I somehow feel the 100P lacking plowthrough and not as stable as my gravity tour 2021.
tophersuwita
Rookie
I have similar feel too, where it was sometimes very thuddy and sometimes very hollow. I ended up using ATS 98, then Ezone Tour, then Blade Pro 18x20.
If you can handle it, I really suggest tailweighted Blade Pro 18 for all courter. Or maybe Regna 100 (and Whiteout XTD 18x20 which is hailed as easier Blade Pro)
If you can handle it, I really suggest tailweighted Blade Pro 18 for all courter. Or maybe Regna 100 (and Whiteout XTD 18x20 which is hailed as easier Blade Pro)
