Prince TT Tour 100 (310) Need your opinions.

[pfrischmann]

Hi Guys,
I need your opinions on this and anyone who has specs on their Prince TT 100 (310) would be really helpful. I demoed a TT Tour 100 (310) and decided this would be a good switch from my Pure Strike. It's a little softer and has slightly better touch but pretty similar. The specs on Tennis warehouse show 326g static weight, 32cm balance and a 322Sw. They used Prince Prism string. I'd bet 16ga but I don't know for sure. I now have had 4 racquets and the swing weight strung with Solinco Hyper G 17ga has been significantly less. 305, 309, 309, 312.
On the last matched pair (309,309) TW got to the desired spec by adding 8" of lead at 12 o'clock. The racquets were exactly right on my Prince precision tuning center but it moved the sweet spot up by 1/2" or so, making the racquet almost impossible to use.

Here's the weird part. The specs on the racquet unstrung are 310g static weight, 285sw. As far as I know, strings add about 31pts to the swing weight +/-. There is no way I know of to go from 285 to 322 without adding lead.

So, am I missing something?

BTW, the demo
had Prince Premier Control, which is a multi I believe.

Also, the folks from TW have been awesome!
Thanks,
Paul

 

[2nd Serve Ace]

The initial sweet spot is still there, it's just been enlarged so I don't see why it would be "impossible to use."

 

[lima]

Prince quality control is awful! SW on my Phantom 100P Pro is ultra low and unplayable in stock form. Also static weight is 7g less.

 

[pfrischmann]

The initial sweet spot is still there, it's just been enlarged so I don't see why it would be "impossible to use."

I'm not so sure that's true is it? All I can tell you is when I hit with no lead, I feel the pocketing. With lead at 2 and 10 its O.K. and lead at 12, it's higher and my normal hitting spot feel harsh.

 

[pfrischmann]

The initial sweet spot is still there, it's just been enlarged so I don't see why it would be "impossible to use."

Thinking again about what you said. If you add lead equally 6-12, 3-9 will enlarge it adding in only one spot should move it...right?

 

[Winners or Errors]

Prince quality control is awful! SW on my Phantom 100P Pro is ultra low and unplayable in stock form. Also static weight is 7g less.

...but TW's reported weight and swingweight are based on their measurements, and they have that rather nice (and inexpensive) matching service. I'd never order a racquet or 3 without using it, as it guarantees that the weights will be what you want. OP, if you want heavier examples, all you have to do is ask for them. I have always found TW's "quality control" to be quite good in that regard.

 

[lima]

One member on this forum asked for racquet matching service on TWE. It was for Phantom 100P Pro. All six racquets had SW from 304-310. That is very low

 

[max]

I just took a modest hit last night for the first time with the TT 310.

It really seems to solve the problems I ran into with my TT 100P, v. 2015.

The 310 gives me the launch angle I'm used to ---- so I'm not hurting my arm trying to put on tons of topspin.

I bought the largest grip size, which gives me much more control and I'm used to holding this size; really clicks.

I bought a leather grip, but for now will stay with the existing one. . . it has some shock dampening which I think might be good.

But vs. the Pure Strike? Well, I really liked the Pure Strike but could not convince myself to buy one since it is not arm-friendly.

 

[A_Instead]

Prince specs are all over the place..
I had a 100p that was strung with hyper g..a 8 gram over grip and a 3 gram dampener..and it's total wight was 315 grams..
But it played fine..even prefered it to the std spec 100p..
It inspired me to persue a new gen 100P 290 gram..

 

[whorng]

...but TW's reported weight and swingweight are based on their measurements, and they have that rather nice (and inexpensive) matching service. I'd never order a racquet or 3 without using it, as it guarantees that the weights will be what you want. OP, if you want heavier examples, all you have to do is ask for them. I have always found TW's "quality control" to be quite good in that regard.

When I called for racquet matching ($10) they find two or more with the same-ish specs.
They don't find racquets to a request spec. In other words, they only measure enough to find matched sets.
It would take a lot of time to measure all those made in China "poor quality control" sticks.
I asked for the advertised specs (310g), but my pair ended up being 302g.
However the customization service ($20 per stick) will get you the requested specs.

 

[Winners or Errors]

When I called for racquet matching ($10) they find two or more with the same-ish specs.
They don't find racquets to a request spec. In other words, they only measure enough to find matched sets.
It would take a lot of time to measure all those made in China "poor quality control" sticks.
I asked for the advertised specs (310g), but my pair ended up being 302g.
However the customization service ($20 per stick) will get you the requested specs.

I find that odd, as they've delivered sticks with matching specs every time I've ordered from them, and that's 5 sets of racquets in the past 8 years, as well as looking for the lightest, most headlight, heaviest, etc. among the racquets in stock.

 

[max]

Played my first real set against a very good player.

My take on the 310 is that it is a larger Wilson Pro Staff 6.0/85. . . in a good way.

Control plus power when you need it.

Stiffer feeling that my tt100p.2015. but not too hard-feeling. Stiff racquets tend to blow the ball out of the court; more flexible ones help consistency. There's stiffness when you need the power, but it's not jarring. My arm did feel it a bit, but that went away soon enough.

Good for serves, good for volleys and approach shots, good for hard cranking topspin forehands. . . I need to play more to finetune my backhand topspin.

 

[AA7]

Played my first real set against a very good player.

My take on the 310 is that it is a larger Wilson Pro Staff 6.0/85. . . in a good way.

Control plus power when you need it.

Stiffer feeling that my tt100p.2015. but not too hard-feeling. Stiff racquets tend to blow the ball out of the court; more flexible ones help consistency. There's stiffness when you need the power, but it's not jarring. My arm did feel it a bit, but that went away soon enough.

Good for serves, good for volleys and approach shots, good for hard cranking topspin forehands. . . I need to play more to finetune my backhand topspin.

I would expect the more you play the more you would appreciate the frame.. the whole idea that nothing about it blows you away but then such a reliable a d complete all arounder which is its strength.

 

[max]

I don't want to be blown away by a racquet and I don't expect it. I just want it to perform well all-around. The 310 seems to do this.

I have to honestly say I need to get used to the stiffness. It's not flexy and I'm used to high 50s RA. Given the extra stiffness, it falls more into the Babolat Pure Strike Project range, minus the arm pain.

So I'm giving it about a 9/10, as far as I can see. I'm a 4.0/4.5 all court/serve&volley player, 6'2" and 190 lbs. Again, it's like a bigger Wilson Pro Staff 6.0.

 

[tennis347]

I don't want to be blown away by a racquet and I don't expect it. I just want it to perform well all-around. The 310 seems to do this.

I have to honestly say I need to get used to the stiffness. It's not flexy and I'm used to high 50s RA. Given the extra stiffness, it falls more into the Babolat Pure Strike Project range, minus the arm pain.

So I'm giving it about a 9/10, as far as I can see. I'm a 4.0/4.5 all court/serve&volley player, 6'2" and 190 lbs. Again, it's like a bigger Wilson Pro Staff 6.0.

I had a feeling that it was a stiff racquet which is why I decided not to demo the 310 tour. I played with the PP 100P for a number of months and found it too low powered and a bit jarring on off center hits. It’s really difficult to find a very low flex rating these days. The clash frames appear to have a very low flex and excellent arm comfort.

 

[max]

I had a feeling that it was a stiff racquet which is why I decided not to demo the 310 tour. I played with the PP 100P for a number of months and found it too low powered and a bit jarring on off center hits. It’s really difficult to find a very low flex rating these days. The clash frames appear to have a very low flex and excellent arm comfort.

Consider the Prince Textreme Tour 100 P. Has a good buttery feel; slight power boost over the PP 100P . . . and I was torn between the PP 100P and the TT 100P, but wanted that extra tad power boost.

 

[tennis347]

Consider the Prince Textreme Tour 100 P. Has a good buttery feel; slight power boost over the PP 100P . . . and I was torn between the PP 100P and the TT 100P, but wanted that extra tad power boost.

Thanks for the recommendation but the tour 100P is discontinued. I have my doubts about Prince even though they are making some good racquets these days. I am still with my PK 7G for the time being. I might look at the clash series. Looking for easier power and spin.

 

[t_pac]

TT310 has decent power and ample spin. Certainly more than the Phantom, although I haven't played with the 7G. The 65RA is a bit misleading as the Twaron definitely adds to the comfort, that said it's certainly not the most comfortable frame on the market.

The clash definitely fits the bill as well - I wasn't a fan of the feel but it was a very easy and comfortable frame to hit with.

 

[tennis347]

TT310 has decent power and ample spin. Certainly more than the Phantom, although I haven't played with the 7G. The 65RA is a bit misleading as the Twaron definitely adds to the comfort, that said it's certainly not the most comfortable frame on the market.

The clash definitely fits the bill as well - I wasn't a fan of the feel but it was a very easy and comfortable frame to hit with.

Unfortunately, the RA is misleading on a lot of the modern racquets. Prince has made some good racquets but they are still too stiff for my liking. I know that feel of the clash is quite muted which I like. PK does a really good job of dampening vibration. As an aging player in my early 50’s, it’s getting more difficult to find the right racquet that will not beat up shoulder and elbow. I might try clash 98 which will have a bit more control then the 100 tour. I don’t want a sling shot, lol.

 

[AA7]

I had a feeling that it was a stiff racquet which is why I decided not to demo the 310 tour. I played with the PP 100P for a number of months and found it too low powered and a bit jarring on off center hits. It’s really difficult to find a very low flex rating these days. The clash frames appear to have a very low flex and excellent arm comfort.

how do you know if you have not tried it. How do you "feel" that it's stiff without hitting with it? Especially that you said RA can be misleading yourself. 310 tour is miles more comfortable than PP 100P to me, i don't care what the numbers say. I actually think 310 tour is more comfortable than tt 100p as well. pp 100p may have a lower RA but it's extremely tinny and vibrates like hell. PP 100 and P100 are a different beast. Those are super comfy. I do not put PP 100P in the same category as the other ones.
To me from most comfortable to least is: PP 100 - Tour 310 - Tour 100P (2019 is more comfy than 2015) - PP 100P

 

[tennis347]

how do you know if you have not tried it. How do you "feel" that it's stiff without hitting with it? Especially that you said RA can be misleading yourself. 310 tour is miles more comfortable than PP 100P to me, i don't care what the numbers say. I actually think 310 tour is more comfortable than tt 100p as well. pp 100p may have a lower RA but it's extremely tinny and vibrates like hell. PP 100 and P100 are a different beast. Those are super comfy. I do not put PP 100P in the same category as the other ones.
To me from most comfortable to least is: PP 100 - Tour 310 - Tour 100P (2019 is more comfy than 2015) - PP 100P

Comfort is always going to be subjective. There are not many racquets made today that agree with my arm. I am not knocking the racquet. I tried the Prince Beast 98 and found it bit too firm for my liking. So I would assume that the Tour 310 is also going to play firm with a 65 RA. The Beast is 64 RA and a wider beam.

 

[AA7]

Comfort is always going to be subjective. There are not many racquets made today that agree with my arm. I am not knocking the racquet. I tried the Prince Beast 98 and found it bit too firm for my liking. So I would assume that the Tour 310 is also going to play firm with a 65 RA. The Beast is 64 RA and a wider beam.

Yeah. if you hit with beast which has the same tech in it (twaron + textreme) then it's the same thing. my whole point was the twaron impact.. really makes a difference so you should give it a try rather than looking at RA numbers but you seem to have already tried the beast so ignore my comments...