Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by heathcliff, Mar 21, 2010.
i´ve recently bought a prince woodie.
does anyone made experience with it?
I used one in the 1980s, can't imagine why you'd want one to actually play with as the POG is a vastly superior racquet, similar weight but more stable and more pop (though still very moderately powered). The woodie also tends to warp rather badly. Perhaps you could have it made into a wall clock.
I remember hitting with one in the mid-80's, while I was playing with some of the other Prince frames of the time. It was a really comfortable hit, but I felt like I couldn't generate any power at all, especially on the serve.
Beautiful hit, but we're now about 25 years after most recent year of manufacture. Could be an issue with wood. Heavier than POG, pulling in over 13 oz. easy. A classic wood / graphite...great feel and damping.
I remember that they broke all the time... Which isn't surprising making a wood frame that big, even if it is reinforced.
Very cool racket, though. I loved wood rackets.
It should probably only be strung with natural gut to get decent power. I have mine strung with Pacific Classic 17.
The high level of flexibility in the hoop makes it feel shaky. I've found the best shot to hit with it is slice. Slice serves are good, too.
It's probably the best racquet for someone with tennis elbow or some other injury that would be aggravated by ball impact stress.
I think the rated stiffness is 35.
I had a friend that played with one leaded up in the hoop! I thought my sticks were heavy :O His was definitely a baseline stick at that point.
I read some test of it in some tennis magazine on the 80s and remember that writer told that Woodie was after him the best playing Prince. Those days Prince Graphite had been around many years.
I played once with it and thought it was very good racket.
i bought a used woodie off the bay a few years ago. not sure what it's strung with. very flexible (as someone said, shaky) in the upper hoop. in the lower third of the head, where the sweet spot is, holy mother... this thing is an absolutely gorgeous hit. one of the best feeling racquets i own. i love this thing.
Hit with one yesterday. After a string break a bud busted it out.
1. It was in beautiful shape strung at a higher tension. 65+
2. Tiny sweet spot compared to modern.
3. Had to dial the game way back and keep a classic form.
4. Tough to generate any power if the ball was outside my strike zone.
5. You -really- feel the mis hits
6. Hard to get around the backhand when the ball was coming in at a 4.5 pace.
7. I would use it in a wood only tourney but I would not keep one in my standard stable. Give me a nice late 80's POG/prostaff/prestige
strung at a higher tension. 65+
Tiny sweet spot compared to modern.
ough to generate any power if the ball was outside my strike zone.
You -really- feel the mis hits
You probably don't have a string like natural gut in it, either, I bet. With 17 gauge gut it has quite a bit of power and a large sweet spot. You shouldn't feel mishits much because of the very very low stiffness of the racquet.
Very true, natural gut is the perfect partner for wood rackets and I like the tension very low which makes mishits more forgiving and provides more power and feel. Also stringing wood frames that are 2+ decades old at high tensions seriously risks frame damage and warping, especially midsized wood rackets.
I own one. I will try and post some pictures in the coming days...
I do remember that there is a sticker that recommends Prince Nylon or Prince Synthetic Strings in a range of 72-78 lbs... or something like that. I thought that would be insanely high.
I would love to put some NG in it around 65. I would also like to experiment with some of the newer Co-Polys around the sub 40 range... should be a spin meister with such a set-up.
I've heard this is because stringing machines of the past used to have around 10 pounds of more of give. So a string job of "72 lbs" on an old machine, one would get a 62 lb string job.
Looked at the sticker... "STRING WITH PRINCE NYLONS OR SYNTHETICS: 70 LBS MIN. - 76 LBS. MAX."
Oh yeah, there were MANY rackets strung up to 80# back then. Try that on a two-point mounting Ektelon or Serrano machine so popular in the late '70s/early '80s. Yikes!
I'd say mid-60s or so with something thin would be the ticket.
Is it true, though, that the machines really lost 10-20 lbs of tension due to their design -- thus making a "75 lb" string job really around 62 lbs?
It's not so much that the machines 'lost' tension but that the frame could 'breathe' or flex while being strung--essentially 'giving' in the direction of the pull and lessening the resulting tension. This is one reason for the difference in recommended tensions. There certainly are others. Of course, the main reason for the lower tensions recommended in this thread is avoiding the stress of higher tensions on the wood frame.
The same thing. If you set a machine to 70 lbs and it "breathes" to 60 when stringing, that's 10 lbs of "lost" tension, I'd say.
Does anyone know how dramatic this tended to be? Was it 10-15 lbs on average?
I've also heard that strings from those days didn't hold tension as well, even the gut. But, I'm not sure if that's true. How can gut have changed all that much?
Market Value for the Prince Woodie?
Just revisiting this thread again, as I was lucky to acquire not one but two of these racquets within a week ; both came with the tan racquet cover. I'm guessing they would go on fleabay for about $50 and $100 for near mint? Your thoughts please...thanks!
I've seen what appeared to be pristine Woodies go for $20 plus shipping...and some receive no bids at all...guess it all depends on who's looking.
Used 2 in the late '80's. Why, I don't know. Strung at 60, blue star, still, no power and tons of control, like hitting a tennis ball with a squash racket.
The last racket I had in the late '70's was YonexOPSGreens, the biggest serving rackets ever.
Unless they are NOS never strung, the prince woody is a very risky racket to buy since its either probably already slightly warped and the seller does not know how to detect, or it will warp during shipping. Also, stringing these rackets at tension much higher than 50s lbs will also greatly increase the chances of it being warped. I had a perfect model, never strung, that I strung up with a very nice syn gut at low tension and it warped. I was very bummed
Does anyone know the stringing pattern for this frame? I'm looking for string length, skip holes, start cross and tie offs for a four piece specifically.
What's the highest tension I should go for if I don't want to risk warping? Is the Kmate's 2 point mounting system good enough for a frame this large and fragile?
The Prince Woodie - I believe I watched Gardnar Malloy win the US 65s in Wash CD with a Prince Woodie. Surgeon like control and touch and pace... that was well within the graphite era...
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