Pro Kennex Type C Redondo Midplus Review

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Pro Kennex seems to have major distribution problems in the U.S., especially if it comes to Redondo mids, however Redondo MP’s are still largely available, which makes this review relevant.

In fact I wanted to test the mid, as I am currently more familiar with that headsize, but the guy I struck a deal with told me after I made the payment, on the day we had agreed upon, that he had already sold the racquet to another buyer. That is reliable for you…. He did restore payment BTW, but the frame had gone.

Anyway, so I got myself a midplus. Today I took it out for a test. Here are my impressions.

About me: I used to be rather a baseline player but lately have fully developed to an all court game, coming to net whenever possible and winning most points once I get there. I hit a semi-western to full western forehand (depending on the racquet I play with and on game intuition, for example with the Redondo midplus I was rather hitting with full western grip). My backhand is one handed and, even if I say so myself (and all my opponents), very good. Last week I played the perfect backhand game winning four consecutive points with amazing backhand shots, crosscourt and along the line. My service has become a more or less strong point at my level. I hit about 1 to 3 aces per set and quite some unreturnable services. I also come in after my service to finish the point at the net about 30 to 50 percent of the time, depending on what surface I am playing. I do not like to rate myself but, as I live abroad and cannot compete to have a ranking, I would say I am a 3.5 to 4.0 player. I play about 3 times a week.

My current racquet is a Wilson Reflex midsize, I have three of them and I am probably one of the last people on earth in that situation. Some people say it is a graphite version of the PS 6.0 out of the same mold, but I fail to believe so because the beam width is 19 and not 17 mm. Off course headsize and PWS are exactly the same. Although the frame must be a tad more flexible (no Kevlar in it) and the string pattern is 16/19, fairly closed.

So, here we go….

Design: 9,5/10
Hands off for the design. The PK Redondo is one of the most beautiful racquets out there

Quality : 7/10
The quality however leaves quite a bit to desire at some points. The fancy red you see on photos on the web turns out to be rather maroon and the paint is rubbery instead of glossy, which gives a sort of sticky feeling when you put your non-playing hand on the racquet throat to change grip. The racquet throat by the way is rather open, so a bit too broad IMO. I like a fine throat that fits almost in the palm of your hand, e.g. Becker’s Puma/Estusa, Pro Staff 6.0 or Wilson Reflex.
The grommets and bumper guard seem to be made out of a cheaper plastic than other brands. The handle does not have an open butt cap, which is typical for Pro Kennex, so too bad if you wanted to put some weight in it. The grip is made of leather but all in all very thin and could start to move around as, if I am not mistaken, it is not stapled on at the bottom and the glue is very loose. Under the grip there is no foam but a simple plastic pallet. BTW, the grip is rather short, which may be a problem for two handers.
Overall advice: buy an extra set of grommets and reglue the grip, off course after you decide whether or not to customise the frame with additional lead tape under the grip to balance the weight you might want to put at 9 and 3 o’ clock in the hoop. I will get back to this.

Comfort: 9/10
For comfort levels I think this frame could be compared with the holy grail of vibration absorbing frames, that is the Prince Original Graphite Oversize. Much has been said about the string sensitivity and the tinny feeling of the frame. I personally think that this issue is minimal and that it is a very comfortable frame, a very appropriate alternative for elbow sufferers. It does feel a tiny bit hollower and sometimes a little more unstable than the POGOS. IMO though, it does a very good job at offering relief for torque, twist and ball impact on the frame. I will get back to the degree of elbow friendliness of the frame.

Groundstrokes: 8/10
Point one: do not worry about the spin capacity of this frame. With its 18X20 string pattern, it creates heaps of topspin, probably due to the flexibility of the frame. As former observers have noticed, you need to keep your wrist firm not to spray the ball.
Point two: this is a catch and release frame. You can feel the dwell time of the ball on the strings, enabling good placement on condition that you have good footwork and that you execute a full, long swing.
Point three: the frame is rather underpowered. Balls do tend to fall short of their target, leaving the opponent the occasion to kill off the point as, BTW, the Redondo easily creates topspin and will then deliver a half court half high ball. Much has been said about the supposed inability of the Redondo to kill a shot and about the question whether it hits a heavy ball or not. I have to agree with those saying it does not hit a very heavy ball, though in terms of spin plus pace still quite heavy, and that it does not finish the point in a compelling way sometimes. Why? A lack of weight. At 12 ounces this frame lacks a few extra grams to have the plough through of, say, a Head Prestige or PS 6.0 or if talking about flexible frames a Dunlop Max 200g.
IMO, there is something like a turning point weight for a racquet at about 349 grams, which is coincidentally about 6 times the weight of the ball, with, let’s say, a few grams of clay or dirt stuck on it. So there is something like a golden proportion between racquet and ball weight. From that weight on, your racquet stays stable on all balls and ploughs through with ease.
In stock form, the Redondo forces you to take really loopy swings and to whip your racquet through the ball with high racquet head speed. Now, I have a long swing, but in comparison with the Wilson Reflex I use, I have to consciously accelerate it and perform a windscreen wiper forearm movement, keeping the wrist firm. This, I think, can lead to certain elbow problems at its turn. I have been a long time elbow sufferer and notwithstanding the above mentioned comfort of the Redondo, I started to feel some vague twinges of pain in my elbow after using this frame for an hour. I suspect that by playing more with this stick this would increase.
Solution for all of this: customisation. I believe that about 6 to 10 grams of lead tape at 9 and 3 o’clock would do miracles for this frame. One could opt to counterbalance this at the handle but as this is a rather intricate procedure for Pro Kennex frames and considering the fact that this stick is already very headlight (10 pts.), I do not think that it would do any harm to its manoeuvrability to bring it back to, let’s say, 8 pts. headlight. On the other hand, by putting an overgrip on the leather grip you already add about 5 grams.

Volleys: 7,5/10.
The strange thing is that I seemed to hang on more to the baseline and come less to the net with this racquet. This has undoubtedly something to do with the fact that we were playing on clay court. Plus the above description of the underpowered and spin creating capacity of the frame, which made me pound heavy topspin shots to the corners of my opponent’s side of the court, varied with knifing slices, finding quite some pleasure in that and forgetting at times to come in after my shots. On the other hand, the Redondo did not really seem to hit heavy approach shots to come in after, as described above.
The times I did come to the net, I did have success. The flex of the frame allows for good placement. But once again, I think that the frame could be pushed around against a good service returner/passing shot player because of the plushy character of the stick. Personally, I also prefer the more compact feel of a midsize for volleys.

Serves: 8,5/10
There was easy access to topspin and slice on serve. Pace seemed to be okay, when enough racquet head speed, nothing extraordinary, however. The serve is something you have to grow into with a new racquet but my first impressions were rather good. The Midplus seems to be quite forgiving also.

Returns: 8/10
My opponent of the day was not really a big server so it is hard to grade this section. Returns were rather like groundstrokes as his serves came in with very average speed and were begging to be whipped. I suspect however that this racquet would more or less deliver against a heavy server. Again, adding weight would make this stick more stable.

Final thoughts
One the one hand side you may have noticed that I have been sceptical about some aspects of the frame in the above review. On the other hand my ratings were rather generous. My overall impression of this frame is positive. I even thought for a moment it could be a good alternative for my Wilson reflex on clay court, given its longer dwell time and higher spin capacity. However, I feel it needs extra weight. No need for heavy customisation IMO but simply three grams on each side of the hoop should do. I might test this and get back to you on that.
I regret I could not lay my hands on a mid as I suspect that racquet might have suited me better, allowing for a more compact style of play, with the necessary weight adjustments, though.
I would not make the Redondo MP my main stick, however, I would recommend a demo of the PK Redondo Midplus to 3.5/4.0 players. It is a good all-round racquet, which reflects in the similar scores on the different aspects of the game. Had Pro Kennex made this stick a tad heavier, it would probably have been an excellent tool, for now, I feel a little weight customisation would do much good to it.
 
I have been using this frame for the last 16 months with great success. However the success came after I added 3" strips of 1/4' lead tape at 3:00 & 9:00 and changed the leather grip to a cushion replacement grip. Even with the customization, the racquet falls a little short in delivering killer put aways compared to a 200G mw or a wilson 6.1. But, the racquet is extremely comfortable and the control is incredible.. I have floating cartlidge and arthritis in my right shoulder and this is the only racquet I have been able to use on consecutive days with out any pain at all. Even My 200G mw's cause a little tenderness, and wilsons, well forget it. I think if you get this frame to 12.3-12.6 oz and keep it 8pts headlight the flex will give you maximum comfort, spin and accuracy. The Mid is extremely low powered and IMO really only for a solid 4.5 or above. I play good 4.0-4.5 tennis and I could not use it.
 
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Hi Basil,
Thanks for the suggestion. I too thought that lead tape might fix a lot on the Redondo. If I get the chance, I'll buy some today and go out and play. I'll update my "leaded up Redondo" review afterwards.
Interesting what you say about the mid, but I am still left with a big question mark as to whether I would have liked it.
 
BTW, I feel the same as you about Wilson frames. Unfortunately all the serious new Wilson frames are very stiff and wreak havoc on shoulder and elbow.
But this vintage frame I play with is just amazing. It is powerful, precise, semi-flexy, and I can play consecutive days with it in a painless manner.
I do not understand why Wilson does not open a new line in its offerings. Something a la Jack Kramer Staff or Reflex, which would be all graphite or maybe graphite with a little fibreglass.
It would make many elbow sufferers go back to them. As it is Wilson seems to be developing a Babolat like reputation: stiff, arm-unfriendly frames.
 
Regarding your comments on the Redondo being underpowered (I have the Mid btw): if you use fairly flat strokes the power is fine. If you're going with a more modern game, you'll probably want more power out of your frame and I think that the Redondo may feel underpowered. I would expect more power from the mid-plus than the mid.

I'm using a K90 now as I got fed up with PK's distribution problems and wanted something with high production quantities. I've moved to a more modern game and appreciate the extra power on the K90 compared to the Redondo. I didn't have arm or shoulder problems before and don't seem to have problems with the K90 though if one did have problems, I don't think that I would recommend the K90. I think that it plays softer than its rating but it definitely feels stiffer.
 
I've gone through about 9 of these sticks--their quality is pretty shoddy but unlike what you said, I'm rather fond of the non gloss finish. Anyway, the grip is fine, I removed the staple to add a bit of lead under it, removed the sticky tape underneath that, and it doesn't slip when I hit. I wouldn't really recommend this stick because every racket that PK sent me felt different and the grip squeaked on 3 of them, requiring super glue. The ground-strokes felt fine for me as well, I had no trouble hitting a hard flat bomb or switching it up and spinning it deep and heavy. All in all, the racket is mediocre at best, if you're a good player you can mask flaws in the racket but I'd recommend looking elsewhere for a more solid stroke.
 
Although I havent hit with them I feel as if the regular type C was a better racquet than the redondo. Would like to try one of those.
 
Although I havent hit with them I feel as if the regular type C was a better racquet than the redondo. Would like to try one of those.

Yep, the type C had a better feel to it than the redondo. I still keep one along with my Prestiges just to hit around with sometimes. Not to sound like I'm completely bagging on the Redondo, I've got to admit that the Type C/Redondo feels perfect with the right string and tension. I've even had another college ball pal that plays with the Type C. I think the only thing lacking is the quality of each frame.
 
I've had 4 MP's and they were all identical in weight and balance. I thought the quality was better than wilson. When I used the ncode, I had to customize each one because the weights and balance were different on every ncode 6.1.
 
Regarding your comments on the Redondo being underpowered (I have the Mid btw): if you use fairly flat strokes the power is fine. If you're going with a more modern game, you'll probably want more power out of your frame and I think that the Redondo may feel underpowered. I would expect more power from the mid-plus than the mid.

I'm using a K90 now as I got fed up with PK's distribution problems and wanted something with high production quantities. I've moved to a more modern game and appreciate the extra power on the K90 compared to the Redondo. I didn't have arm or shoulder problems before and don't seem to have problems with the K90 though if one did have problems, I don't think that I would recommend the K90. I think that it plays softer than its rating but it definitely feels stiffer.

About stroke styles, I have learned to mix up flat and topspin on forehand; flat, topspin and slice on backhand. I think I actually had a more modern game before, I started to play at the end of the eighties when topspin was really in, think of Sergi Brugeira for instance. This year I came back to tennis after a few years of relative inactivity and my game has become much more complete, including very frequent net play.
The thing is that the Redondo frame seemed to push me to hit with more topspin, taking a full western grip. I suspect I would be able to flatten out my shots at some occasions with the mid. For some reason I do not feel that midsize frames have less power, you just have to know how to use them. I like the feel of a compact sweetspot on serves and volleys and from the back of the court it does not make any difference to me.
About Wilson: I think it is a great brand, but they should seem to be uninspired lately. Ncode, Kcode, what is next? Omegacode maybe. I do not understand why they dropped the Pro Staff line, basically their flagship, and do not go more with an all or predominant graphite setup. Even the Wilson Pro Staff ROK was fairly flexible.
I haven't been able to try the K90 but a friend of mine lent me the K95 for 20 minutes and I found it a highly vibrative and unpleasant frame. Although I understand that because of the beam width and weight the K90 must be very different and probably much more stable.

BTW, if you want to sell your Redondo mid .... I am looking for one;)
 
About stroke styles, I have learned to mix up flat and topspin on forehand; flat, topspin and slice on backhand. I think I actually had a more modern game before, I started to play at the end of the eighties when topspin was really in, think of Sergi Brugeira for instance. This year I came back to tennis after a few years of relative inactivity and my game has become much more complete, including very frequent net play.
The thing is that the Redondo frame seemed to push me to hit with more topspin, taking a full western grip. I suspect I would be able to flatten out my shots at some occasions with the mid. For some reason I do not feel that midsize frames have less power, you just have to know how to use them. I like the feel of a compact sweetspot on serves and volleys and from the back of the court it does not make any difference to me.
About Wilson: I think it is a great brand, but they should seem to be uninspired lately. Ncode, Kcode, what is next? Omegacode maybe. I do not understand why they dropped the Pro Staff line, basically their flagship, and do not go more with an all or predominant graphite setup. Even the Wilson Pro Staff ROK was fairly flexible.
I haven't been able to try the K90 but a friend of mine lent me the K95 for 20 minutes and I found it a highly vibrative and unpleasant frame. Although I understand that because of the beam width and weight the K90 must be very different and probably much more stable.

BTW, if you want to sell your Redondo mid .... I am looking for one;)

Just ask Xube.
 
I've had 4 MP's and they were all identical in weight and balance. I thought the quality was better than wilson. When I used the ncode, I had to customize each one because the weights and balance were different on every ncode 6.1.

I agree with Basil J. I had two MP's and have three Mids. All of those frames are identical or near identical in weight/balance (the MP's to each other, and the Mid to each other). The "rubber" paint is peeling on some, but the quality is there in terms of specs.
 
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I agree with Basil J. I had two MP's and have three Mids. All of those frames are identical or near identical in weight/balance (the MP's to each other, and the Mid to each other). The "rubber" paint is peeling on some, but the quality is there in terms of specs.

I did have the impression that the frame was true to its specs. My remarks were more about the grommets, paint and handle. Some other players also seem to indicate these issues.
Anyway, this thread is not intended as an attack on the Redondo. The above quality issues are easy to solve. What matters is the frame itself and as I have already said I find it a nice players' stick. Moreover if you talk price/quality relation (the Redondo costs about 140 bucks new) then this might be one of the best racquets in that ranking.
 
Just got my Redondo this week and so far plays like a great racket.

I am not too bothered about the rubber paint at all to be honest and the handle seems alright with an overgrip over!
 
Excellent comments all around; a very interesting frame to me. Thank you, matchmaker, for your careful and detailed review. :)
 
Regarding specs, mine came in at 12.1 on my scale. The racquet specs are 12.06. I suspect that a tenth is the limit of precision on my scale.

I like to keep the Redondo around when I'm having a bad day and revert to my older playing style. It's easy to pick up and hit with and is a predictable racquet. I have friend that borrows it for tournaments too as a backup racquet (I traded a Mid for a Flexpoint Team for the kids a while back).
 
machmaker,

That's a nice review. Thanks!

I've added a link to this review in post #1 of the Redondo Talk Thread. Have also added you to our Redondian population.
 
Lilxjohnny, Max, Anirut And Martingale,

Thanks for the nice words. The reason why we post reviews is to make ourselves useful for people with the same interests as we, so I am glad to have done my share.
Off course, opinions are individual and everyone has his own. So my review on the Redondo MP must be seen in that perspective.

Anirut,

Thank you for my Redondo-club membership. I am honoured. I have always liked the looks and specs of this racquet. I find it brave that Pro Kennex released an all graphite, thin-beamed, flexible frame in times of stiff racquets with no feel. My sympathy for this frame is why I have done my best to remain as objective as possible.

Martingale,

I will try to do the "leaded up" review, but I need some time, tomorrow is Monday and the working week starts. Maybe I will get to play by midweek or if not at least on Friday. ... to be continued...
 
Weight issues

As some issues came up about quality and truthfulness to specs especially about the PK Redondo vs. Wilson frames, added to the fact that I found the Redondo “plushy” in comparison to my Wilson Reflex frames, I decided to take a more scientific and exact approach to measuring the weight. So I bought a digital postal scale, weighing on the gram precise and displaying ounces until hundredths.

Here are my findings. First I wanted to weigh my Wilson Reflexes, to know what I had been playing with all this time. I have three frames, one of which is currently unstrung (I broke the strings two days ago). Two have a 4 3/8 grip, so I put two Babolat Pro Team grips on them, as my grip size is really 4 1/2 ; the other is 4 1/2, to which I add a thin Babolat VS Original grip, to make the very solid leather grip a bit softer.

1. Let’s begin with the latter, the one with the 4 1/2 grip, because that is the most basic one, almost entirely stock: strung, with one Babolat VS Original grip (which Babolat indicates to weigh 3.8 grams) and with protector tape from the top of the frame until the PWS sections.
358 gr. or 12.65 oz.
2. Frame two has two Babolat Pro Team overgrips on it (according to Babolat they weigh 5.2 grams each), strung, with protector tape.
373 gr. or 13.15 oz.
3. Frame three is basically the same setup as frame two with the exception that it is unstrung and does not have protector tape.
353 gr. or 12.45 oz.

How to explain these differences? Basically frame 2 and 3 almost weigh the same if you add strings (+/- 15 gr.) and some protector tape (a few gr.) to it, it would come very close to 373 gr. The divergence on frame one does not seem that easy to explain. Off course removing the thin and light Babolat VS Original grip and replacing it with two thicker and heavier Babolat Pro Team grips would account for a 6 to 7 grams. The remaining difference of 8 grams could not. But there is one interesting fact: the leather grip on frame 1 is about a bevel shorter than on 2 and 3. That could be the explanation.

So far for the weight variations on the Wilson Reflexes. One important lesson to retain. This frame is hefty, the lightest would still weigh over 350 grams without overgrip and protector tape, the two heavier ones, that would have to be considered as the standard, would have a stock weight of 357 grams. Those who say that the Reflex is a “light” version of the PS 6.0 should think twice before they speak. It is another racquet made of graphite only with a slightly thicker beam width and one cross string more (16 mains 19 crosses). The stock weight is about the same as indicated on the TW website for the PS 6.0, that is 357 grams.

The topic of this thread then. I weighed the Redondo MP stock. Result:
335 gr. or 11.80 oz.

Only with the overgrip (Babolat VS Original) and a vibration dampener it was bumped up to:
341 gr. or 12 oz. Which is the weight indicated on the TW website for this frame.

So… One, we have a slight divergence in PK specs here. I leave the conclusion up to you.
Two, we have the explanation why the Redondo felt too light to me in comparison with my main stick. Mind you I opened my eyes widely when I saw the weight of the Wilson Reflex. All this time I had been playing with 13.25 oz. in my hands if you add the “O” or “Sampras” vibration dampener to it. No wonder it felt solid as a rock. No wonder I felt I was pounding some heavy balls. No wonder it seems like a wall when going to the net. And all that weight is cramped into a midsize frame. BTW all this is without lead tape. Man, why don’t they bring serious players’ frames on the market any longer. Nowadays the so-called players’ sticks all weigh exactly 12 oz., exception made for the Prestige line, although we still have to see the Microgel version, and the 6.1 90 but, then again, do these racquets feel the same as old school sticks? I leave it up to you to answer.

Redondians, please give me your findings about the specs on paper and in reality. Are there heavier than the indicated 12 oz. Redondo frames out there?
 
matchmaker,

If you had the time to go through the Redondo Thread, you'll see a lot of what I've posted. The thread, BTW, has gotten very long and understandly not many would take the time to go hunting.

Anyway, going back in time, when I got my mid size Redondo the first time, after having it strung, it weighted 350 grams on a digital scale (in a global-brand supermarket). No overgrip, no dampener.

If we deduct about 15 grams off the strings, the raw racket should be around 335 grams.

That's my finding.
 
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matchmaker,

If you had the time to go through the Redondo Thread, you'll see a lot of what I've posted. The thread, BTW, has gotten very long and understandly not many would take the time to go hunting.

Anyway, going back in time, when I got my mid size Redondo the first time, after having it strung, it weighted 350 grams on a digital scale (in a global-brand supermarket). No overgrip, no dampener.

If we deduct about 15 grams off the strings, the raw racket should be around 335 grams.

That's my finding.

Anirut,

The Redondo was strung when it weighed 335 grams. On a digital postal scale, that certainly does not weigh to much, if not my reflexes would be wooden racquets;) .
 
Sorry,

I meant my digital postal scale certainly does not weigh too little. If the 370+ grams of my reflexes with overgrip was still too little, I would be playing with an Excalibur Sword.
 
I have 4 MP's and with wilson overgrip,head tape and 2" 1/4" lead tape at 3:00 & 9:00, three frames weigh in at 12.4oz., one at 12.6 oz.
 
Sorry,

I meant my digital postal scale certainly does not weigh too little. If the 370+ grams of my reflexes with overgrip was still too little, I would be playing with an Excalibur Sword.

LOL ... yeah, my Excalibur is my Dunlop Phillipoussis Rev Tour 90 that weights at 368 grams total with strings, one leather and one overgrip (and also the dirt from my hand that stuck to the overgrip ...) But this thing swings so easy and it's my benchmark stick.
 
In case anyone is interested, I have a Redondo Mid listed in the For Sale forum. Posted yesterday, 10-14-07.

Thanks.
 
I have 3 Redondos (2 Mids and an MP). They all weighted 12.2 strung in the stock form. One Mid and MP where both 12 points HL, while other Mid shows 10 points. I have increased the L2 (4 1/4) Mid to be L3 (4 3/8 ) by adding the sleeve and now it weights 12.5-12.6 and it is 13 point HL, so it is waiting for some lead tape around 3 and 9 o'clock to bring it back in between 10 and 12 point HL and increase weight to be close to 13 oz.

I am either lucky with the sticks I've got or PK is actually good about them!


Fedja
 
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LOL ... yeah, my Excalibur is my Dunlop Phillipoussis Rev Tour 90 that weights at 368 grams total with strings, one leather and one overgrip (and also the dirt from my hand that stuck to the overgrip ...) But this thing swings so easy and it's my benchmark stick.

I can only agree with you. My racquet also swings very easy. So I think we can apply for Knights of the Round Table of King Arthur now.:grin:

Hey, that would be a great idea with all these racquet clubs on this forum. The Excalibur club for over 13 oz. racquets.;)
 
I can only agree with you. My racquet also swings very easy. So I think we can apply for Knights of the Round Table of King Arthur now. :grin:

Can we apply on line? Which website?
Is it "theclubforusersoftennisracketsheavyasaclub.com"? :lol:

I thing we'll have more members for 12+ oz; 13 oz is a tad too much. ;)
 
The two Redondos that I bought weighed in at 12.1 on a postal scale. Spec weight is 12.06 ounces which is close enough. The racquets that I was using before were 16+ ounces. Not much vibration on those things. Currently using a K90. If you want something solidly in the 12s, K90s and K95s are there.
 
Mine is 13.4oz of Redondo Mids. Love serving with curveball which is difficult to opponent to return of the serve.

Love heavy racquet and thanks god as it didn't kill my TE like PS Tour 90 did.
 
The two Redondos that I bought weighed in at 12.1 on a postal scale. Spec weight is 12.06 ounces which is close enough. The racquets that I was using before were 16+ ounces. Not much vibration on those things. Currently using a K90. If you want something solidly in the 12s, K90s and K95s are there.

The specs as to rigidity of the K 90 just frightens me. I would like to try the PS 6.0 85, but for the same reason I am a little bit reluctant.
 
Apparently the Redondos are on specs and only mine was too light from what I hear from other Redondo owners.

BTW, I am going to play tomorrow and if I manage to find some lead tape, I will try it. So if everything goes well I will do a little leaded Redondo review.
 
increasing weight on Redondo

Okay Redondians,

Here we go for the leaded Redondo. Let me recall that my Redondo strung, with overgrip and with a vibration dampener weighted 341 gr.

Here is what I did: I bought 40 inches of 1/4’’ lead tape, which is very hard to find in the city I live, there is only one shop that sells it, but I tracked it down. This gives us sum total of 10 gr., as each inch of 1/4’’ lead tape weighs 0,25 gr. I cut it into 2-inch strips, each weighing 0,5 gr. I added 5 layers of these strips on the inner rim at both sides of the grommets; repeated at 9 and 3 o’clock on the hoop. This way I created a sort of PWS on the Redondo. I wanted to keep the strips quite short, that is why I chose to add 5 2-inch-long layers. I did this in a manner that the strips embraced the 4 central crosses (i.e. numbers 9 to 12 out of 20).

First remark: I have never seen lead tape look so good on a racquet; it combines so well with the silver grey inner rim background colour! The advantage of my method is also that the graphics remain visible (Redondo Edition/ 98 sq. inches 630 cm2) except for the m of cm, which is covered by the lead tape. But still, on the whole it looks as if the lead tape was destined to be put at those places.

Second remark: I changed the strings. Reading about the fact that multifilaments are the best string option for this racquet, I decided to put Wilson Sensation, which is soft and yet lively, 16g (any thinner and they really break soon) at 61 lbs. (recommended mid tension) on it. Strangely this bumped the weight up with 1 gram in comparison to the other strings (synthetic gut) which were 17g. Maybe that is the reason.

Third remark: I took off the overgrip and put two other heavier ones on it. So this accounts for a difference of about 7 gr.

Fourth remark: I measured the balance point with this new configuration and it is around 8 pts. headlight now.

Result: my Redondo MP now weights 359 gr. or 12.65 oz. on the digital postal scale. I think this is a good starting point for a thorough test play as my usual Wilson Reflex mids have a stock weight of about 357 gr., I do not customise them, only put a vibration dampener (2 gr.) on them. So I think we can make a fair trial on the Redondo MP now.
 
Okay Redondians,

Here we go for the leaded Redondo. Let me recall that my Redondo strung, with overgrip and with a vibration dampener weighted 341 gr.

Here is what I did: I bought 40 inches of 1/4’’ lead tape, which is very hard to find in the city I live, there is only one shop that sells it, but I tracked it down. This gives us sum total of 10 gr., as each inch of 1/4’’ lead tape weighs 0,25 gr. I cut it into 2-inch strips, each weighing 0,5 gr. I added 5 layers of these strips on the inner rim at both sides of the grommets; repeated at 9 and 3 o’clock on the hoop. This way I created a sort of PWS on the Redondo. I wanted to keep the strips quite short, that is why I chose to add 5 2-inch-long layers. I did this in a manner that the strips embraced the 4 central crosses (i.e. numbers 9 to 12 out of 20).

First remark: I have never seen lead tape look so good on a racquet; it combines so well with the silver grey inner rim background colour! The advantage of my method is also that the graphics remain visible (Redondo Edition/ 98 sq. inches 630 cm2) except for the m of cm, which is covered by the lead tape. But still, on the whole it looks as if the lead tape was destined to be put at those places.

Second remark: I changed the strings. Reading about the fact that multifilaments are the best string option for this racquet, I decided to put Wilson Sensation, which is soft and yet lively, 16g (any thinner and they really break soon) at 61 lbs. (recommended mid tension) on it. Strangely this bumped the weight up with 1 gram in comparison to the other strings (synthetic gut) which were 17g. Maybe that is the reason.

Third remark: I took off the overgrip and put two other heavier ones on it. So this accounts for a difference of about 7 gr.

Fourth remark: I measured the balance point with this new configuration and it is around 8 pts. headlight now.

Result: my Redondo MP now weights 359 gr. or 12.65 oz. on the digital postal scale. I think this is a good starting point for a thorough test play as my usual Wilson Reflex mids have a stock weight of about 357 gr., I do not customise them, only put a vibration dampener (2 gr.) on them. So I think we can make a fair trial on the Redondo MP now.

I really loved the 17g Sensation on the Mid. I didn't like the 16g as much as it was less responsive but, as you've noticed, the 17g doesn't last that long. I strung at 62-63 but was planning on trying 61 before switching to the K90.
 
IMO, 17 gauge is the only way to go with the MP. 16 gauge limits the spin a bit and the 17 gauge really pockets the ball beautifully. The spacing on the string bed is really very even and nicely laid out providing a consistant response, unlike my 200G where the pattern tightens up in the middle, giving you a sweepspot the size of a dime! Ironically, I like 16 gauge better on the dunlops.
 
Redondo MP review with added weight

Martingale,

As promised, here comes the review.

I described in the post above what I did with the redondo to bump up the weight. I also changed strings to Wilson sensation 16g at 61 lbs.

Basil,

You might be right about the gauge, but the racquet already played a lot better with this one.

I played two hours today. One hour of practice and a one-hour match. We played on hardcourt this time, so that gives a good idea of what this racquet is capable of on different surfaces, as last time we played on clay court. Score: 6-2 3-1 for me after one hour. So scorewise it was okay.

Design: 9.5/10
See beginning of this thread

Quality: 7.5/10
I will add half a point because I have gotten used to the rubbery paint and it seems to have become less tacky, maybe it was a bit sticky because of the shipping package.

Comfort: 9,5/10
With this new setup the racquet was even more comfortable.Strange thing is that though I bumped up the weight to the one of my main stick it felt on the one hand side more maneuverable (although the balance is alike) yet on the other hand the weight did not feel as compact behind the shots (probably because my main racquet is a midsize and the same weight cramped in a midsize feels just more compact). The sound was also better with this string: a solid thwack, just the way it should be. So it is clear that the Redondo is a string-sensitive racquet. It goes best with multifilaments.


Groundstrokes: 8 to 8.5/10
The racquet was a lot more stable with the added weight, yet I was doubting to take a half a point away. In the end I won't and just say that it is between 8 to 8.5 out of 10.
Why? I had already read about the fact that the Redondo does not kill the point like other racquets and today I was able to experience it. It is strange but when you go for a put away shot, you just feel the flex of the frame in a manner it takes away a tiny little bit of power off your ball. This could make the difference between a winner and a ball your opponent can just put his racquet on and return. It is hard to explain. I shall compare it to riding a bicycle when you put the dynamo against the wheel to make put the lights on. (Although I realise that in this hi-tech era many people do not use dynamos anymore).
I haven't had this experience with other frames and I have played with racquets ranging from 50 to 66 on the flexibility scale.
So, I saw some of my balls, of which I thought they would have made the point with another stick, come back.
It must also be said that my opponent has fast legs. You would not say if you saw him but he used to do athletics, more specifically 400 meters, so with that background you can imagine he brings a lot of balls back.
Still, I asked him after the match and he said he had the impression some balls were coming with less pace at him.
Furthermore, still good acces to topspin and slice. This time I also flattened out more shots, so the racquet is quite versatile.
Depth was better than last time. Probably because of the added weight and also because of the surface. You just tend to play deeper more easily on hardcourt than on clay.

Returns: 8,5/10
Again, there was more stability in the frame due to the added weight. But also again there was the effect described in the section groundstrokes. The racquet seemed to put a brake on the shot when I wanted to whip an easy second serve. On hard first serves it does not bother, because you can use a brake there.

Serves: 8/10
I am taking half a point away because just like for the groundstokes I had the experience that when hitting a hard serve the racquet slowed it down a little bit, again due to flex. It is a strange feeling, you hit and you somehow feel that the racquet dampens the ball and you are sort of looking what happened to the serve.
I could not hit a single ace yet placement and spin were excellent.

Overheads: 9/10
Often overheads are put in the same section as serves but I feel it is something different. When you hit an overhead you are moving. The ball also moves in the air, sometimes with difficult trajectory to intercept. You also stand closer to the net normally so it is all in all a different shot.
On overheads this racquet was excellent. I put them all easily away. Closer to net the taking away of ball speed by the peculiar flex does not seem to matter.

Volleys: 8,5/10
I added a full point to this section. I actually think this was one of the strengths of the racquet with this setup. I made about 15 to 20 net appearances and missed about 5, sometimes easy volleys. But I will take the blame on me for that, when you play with another racquet than the one you are used to you just loose certain "finesses" to say it in French. I also played some excellent volleys. The flex does not seem to bother at all as for volleys with the racquet strung at 61, it gives you rather more feel.

Overall thoughts
The racquet played a lot better with the added weight. The only downside is the particular flex it has, somewhat disconcerting sometimes. I noticed I did not go to the net as often as I am used to behind my serves and certain groundstrokes because I was just watching what would happen with the shot, was it going to maintain the speed I gave it or not? Finally I ended up at the net as often as in other matches but the difference was that it was after more ball exchanges, longer points.
I am convinced that I would have liked the mid more, as I am used to that headsize (I play with an 85 sq. inch frame) and because the weight would be more concentrated.
Still, remains the flex. In fact I like it, it gives you more dwell time and spin. But conversely it can take away just that tiny little bit of power which makes the difference between a straight winner and a reachable shot for your opponent.
I found out a relaxed style works best on this racquet. When you try to arm the ball it does not really have its full effect. I think this racquet lends itself to a style of play more or less let's say like Michael Stich if you still remember that elegant German Wimbledon champion who is one of the few tennis players who has won tournaments on all surfaces.
I am myself then again more like a Becker-type of guy I guess , although I do not go up and down like a yo-yo three times before serving and my forehand is more relaxed. I probably power the ball a little bit more at times although I am certainly not a monotonous hardhitter. So, I am a bit undecided on this frame.
It is an all-round player's frame. You get what you put into it. I would definitely recommend the setup with lead tape, I found it to be a lot better. For the rest I will avoid responsability on giving advice and tell you that the best thing is to demo it for yourself.
 
matchmaker,

Thanks for the detailed review.

Yes, the Red is more suited to relaxed strokes.

I think PK is solving the problem of low pop on the Redondo with the new Black, with a tad higher flex at 60(61?). The weight is much lower at about 330 strung but should lend itself well to customizations.

(Though the new Black has some not-so-well-thought-out design, I wouldn't care if it plays well.)
 
Matchmaker,

Many thanks for the review. A pleasure to read somebody who takes the time to be precise and thoughtful. I shall be going through your motions soon, so this is truly helpful. Well done, although putting away points also matters....
 
Just a quick note. I haven't switched to the PK Redondo as main stick. But I am happy to have it in my bag. As Basil said it is an armsaving frame.

Today and yesterday I have been feeling twinges of pain in my upper arm. No elbow pain, seems a sort of muscle pain, whenever I had to lift my arm. So I turned to the Redondo. I also decided to play the backhand with two hands, as I used to do when I was a teenager, afterwards I switched to a OHBH.

I played with a lot of spin and took full western grips. I liked it. Boy, does this frame produce spin if you know how to hit a ball. The power loss I described above seems to matter less if you play this way. I guess it is because when I spin, which I used to do a lot when I was a teenager, it was very in at that time, I does not matter to me to hit one or two balls more. I seem to find pleasure in having my opponent run from one side to another. BTW he literaly cried out during the tiebreak of the first set: that's it, now my legs are completely dead, after having run around the court during the whole set.

So, the Redondo is a very versatile frame. Flat, spin, slice, it can do all of that.
 
So, the Redondo is a very versatile frame. Flat, spin, slice, it can do all of that.

Yes, I find that to be true.

May not have the pop of modern rackets but it lets you to play your ball the way you want it. And that means you're in control of your game.
 
Anirut... help me! I am a Redondo addict. Just talked to the PK rep and putting in another order for 4 more redondos!!!!

Forget Indiana and the Last Crusade! I have found my holy grail!
 
Matchmaker,
Hey I was wondering if you would be interested in selling a couple of your Wilson Reflexes. I love the rock solid feel and great hitting that it generates. E-mail me at rleonard93@yahoo.com. -Thanks
 
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