Pro Racket Specs Cosolidation Thread

[prestigeww]

Hi all,

I know there are multiple threads regarding pro player's rackets and their specs, but I thought a consolidation thread might be nice to get a look at the top player's gear.

I admittedly know very little about the pro's rackets, but I know there are quite a few people who know some exact specs. So with this in mind, let's keep this thread to those who know the real specs, and keep speculation to a minimum if we can.

I am interested in which racket they are actually using (layup), regardless of paint job. Also, length, weight swingweight, head size, balance etc would be nice to know as well.

Some players to consider:
Federer
Nadal
Djokovic
Murray
Berdych
Nishikori
Tsonga

WAWRINKA
Racquet: Yonex vcore 95D
Paint Job: yonex vcore tour G (330)
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: strung (with overgrip) 372 GRAM
Balance: 32.1 OR 32.3
Swingweight: 359-360
Stiffness: 63-64
Lead placement: 3 & 9 O'clock ---- Holes: cross 5th on top TO cross 16th on the bottom (photo above)
Leads length: 5 inch
Over grip: (?)
Grip: 4 3/8
Replacement grip: Yonex leather
Strings: Babolat RPM Blast 16g
String Pattern: 16x20
Tension: 27 KG(61 pounds) /25 kg (57 pounds)

 

[prestigeww]

Wawrinka

Racquet: Yonex vcore 95D
Paint Job: yonex vcore tour G (330)
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: strung (with overgrip) 372 GRAM
Balance: 32.1 OR 32.3
Swingweight: 359-360
Stiffness: 63-64
Lead placement: 3 & 9 O'clock ---- Holes: cross 5th on top TO cross 16th on the bottom (photo above)
Leads length: 5 inch
Over grip: (?)
Grip: 4 3/8
Replacement grip: Yonex leather
Strings: Babolat RPM Blast 16g
String Pattern: 16x20
Tension: 27 KG(61 pounds) /25 kg (57 pounds)

(http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/stan-wawrinka-thread-information-gear.531460/)

 

[prestigeww]

Murray

Racquet: Head PT630
Paint Job: Graphene Radical
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches ?
Weight: ?
Balance: ?
Swingweight: ?
Stiffness: ?
Lead placement: ?
Over grip: (?)
Grip: ?
Replacement grip: ?
Strings: Babolat RPM Blast 16g
String Pattern: 16x19
Tension:

Djokovic

Racquet: Head LM Radical Mold
Paint Job: Speed Pro
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: strung (with overgrip)
Balance:
Swingweight:
Stiffness:
Lead placement: All around outside, top half of handle
Leads length:
Over grip: Wilson Pro Overgrip
Grip: 4 3/8
Strings: Gut/alu power?
String Pattern: 18x20
Tension:

I'll update the thread once I find the specs, I know there are a few around here somewhere

 

[prestigeww]

Djokovic

Racquet: Head LM Radical Mold (PT113B1)
Paint Job: Head Graphene XT Speed Pro
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: 359 g strung
Balance: 32.8 cm strung
Swingweight: 370
Stiffness: 60 RA
Lead placement: All around outside, top half of handle
Over grip: Wilson Pro Overgrip
Grip: 4 3/8, custom with side bevels extended making it more rectangular. Uses two overgrips over Head Calfskin. First overgrip wrapped with no overlapping, top overgrip normal.
Strings: Babolat VS/alu power?
String Pattern: 18x20
Tension: 27/27.5 kg

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/novaks-head-graphene-xt-pj.529586/

 

[Zoid]

I think wawrinka head size at least 97, djoko definitely around 100 and murray 98.

 

[LiquidWhip]

I think wawrinka head size at least 97, djoko definitely around 100 and murray 98.

I think you might be mistaking what racquets they 'endorse' rather than the racquets they actually play with

 

[Zoid]

I think you might be mistaking what racquets they 'endorse' rather than the racquets they actually play with

yea i'll admit i'm not really up to date with the pro frames but just looking at novak's...hard to think it isn't at least 98, definitely looks too big for 95. Wawrinka/Murray both look too big for 95 IMO. Stan used to use prestige I don't know if it was the 93 or 98, but from my eye they look like those sizes, Novak use to use liquid metal which was 98 so I don't see why he would downsize headsize in a game that has evolved to beefed up rackets.

 

[Moonballballer]

Yonex 95 looks bigger because of the isometric headshape. A V Core Tour F 93 is nearly as big as a Pure Strike Tour if you lay it on top of the PST.
Btw the kg/lbs conversion is wrong at the Wawrinka stats. 27kg = 59,~ lbs.

I only know some stats of several frames, but Berdych has 354gr unstrung (swingweight 333, string full alupower 25-26kg), Monfils 355-360 unstrung, Seppi (IQ Tour) 350 unstrung with alupower 22/21kg, Simon 325 unstrung swingweight 311 and strings intellitour at 24/23 or 25/24, Nadal 315gr swingweight 317 string rpm blast at 25kg, Raonic unstrung around 355gr but don't know anything more.

 

[Cerps]

yea i'll admit i'm not really up to date with the pro frames but just looking at novak's...hard to think it isn't at least 98, definitely looks too big for 95. Wawrinka/Murray both look too big for 95 IMO. Stan used to use prestige I don't know if it was the 93 or 98, but from my eye they look like those sizes, Novak use to use liquid metal which was 98 so I don't see why he would downsize headsize in a game that has evolved to beefed up rackets.

Actually a prestige is a 95...

 

[smalahove]

Great thread, prestigeww.

(Not directed at the OP)
Please no more post questionning Novak's, or Stan's (or any of the top pro) frame headsize if you're not up to speed on:

1. paintjobs
2. prostocks
3. their actual racket history (at least some of it)

 

[prestigeww]

Great thread, prestigeww.

(Not directed at the OP)
Please no more post questionning Novak's, or Stan's (or any of the top pro) frame headsize if you're not up to speed on:

1. paintjobs
2. prostocks
3. their actual racket history (at least some of it)

Thanks! and yes, I'm just trying to get an accurate representation of the actual rackets they use and their specs (granted with some small error). I don't know how to tag people but I'm fairly sure there are a few stringers on the forum who might be able to chime in.

Fed uses the RF97A with a different weight distribution and custom molded handle of course. I forget the specs though.

Nishikori uses the H22 i think but also not sure on the specs.

Oh feel free to fill in the missing info on Murray as well, obviously doesn't use RPM I just copied and pasted from Stans thread.

 

[Cerps]

Nishikori does not use a h22. There's a separate thread for him at the moment. Check that out and you'll see what he uses.

 

[prestigeww]

perhaps we could use the knowledge of @vsbabolat and the likes here

 

[prestigeww]

is there any way to edit the original so I don't have to keep commenting to update?

Murray : ALU/VS. ~345 gram strung weight, 21mm beam, 33.2cm balance, something like 345 swingweight?

 

[Zoid]

Great thread, prestigeww.

(Not directed at the OP)
Please no more post questionning Novak's, or Stan's (or any of the top pro) frame headsize if you're not up to speed on:

1. paintjobs
2. prostocks
3. their actual racket history (at least some of it)

I'm questioning it because i used to follow it more closely so novak using a 95 was hard to believe. When he switched back to head i was pretty sure the mould would be like the liquid metal radical, 98, probably lower flex and without the ridges. I know I might be wrong but can you be sure it's 95? 98 at least.

 

[ALL IN]

We should mention length as well. Quite a few 27.5" rackets on tour.

 

[Cerps]

I'm questioning it because i used to follow it more closely so novak using a 95 was hard to believe. When he switched back to head i was pretty sure the mould would be like the liquid metal radical, 98, probably lower flex and without the ridges. I know I might be wrong but can you be sure it's 95? 98 at least.

The lm Radical is closer to 95 than 98.

 

[Nostradamus]

WOW,, ^^^What I find so surprising is what small grips they use,,,mostly 3/8 grip. Some of these Pros have Huge hands and they are still using this small grip... How do they stop the racket from Twisting in the hand,,,especially with sweaty hands and all.......... Especially on the volleys, it is tough to make small grip not twist in the hand and maintain Stability.........

 

[robbo1970]

WOW,, ^^^What I find so surprising is what small grips they use,,,mostly 3/8 grip. Some of these Pros have Huge hands and they are still using this small grip... How do they stop the racket from Twisting in the hand,,,especially with sweaty hands and all.......... Especially on the volleys, it is tough to make small grip not twist in the hand and maintain Stability.........

Possibly a reason why some seem reluctant to volley and constantly need the towel between points. Their small grips favour the fast, whipping topspin motion.

Mind you, I've always thought Djokovic seemed to have more of a gap between fingertip and palm when he grips the racquet, almost to the point he follows the old finger gap rule on his grip size.

 

[BlueB]

is there any way to edit the original so I don't have to keep commenting to update?

Murray : ALU/VS. ~345 gram strung weight, 21mm beam, 33.2cm balance, something like 345 swingweight?

I know that he reduced the static weight over the years, so it might be somewhere there or a bit more.
However, his swing weight should be somewhere between 360-370...

 

[Zoid]

The lm Radical is closer to 95 than 98.

Im holding my old ones in my hands right now over the top of a dunlop biomimitic 2.o tour….head lm is definitely not 95

 

[Zoid]

WOW,, ^^^What I find so surprising is what small grips they use,,,mostly 3/8 grip. Some of these Pros have Huge hands and they are still using this small grip... How do they stop the racket from Twisting in the hand,,,especially with sweaty hands and all.......... Especially on the volleys, it is tough to make small grip not twist in the hand and maintain Stability.........

lighter rackets, smaller grips = more racket head speed and spin.

 

[Surion]

Zoid, Novak uses a 95 (and so is Murray), please accept that.

 

[RanchDressing]

Murray

Racquet: Head PT630
Paint Job: Graphene Radical
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches ?
Weight: ?
Balance: ?
Swingweight: ?
Stiffness: ?
Lead placement: ?
Over grip: (?)
Grip: ?
Replacement grip: ?
Strings: Babolat RPM Blast 16g
String Pattern: 16x19
Tension:

Djokovic

Racquet: Head LM Radical Mold
Paint Job: Speed Pro
Headsize: 95 Sq Inches
Weight: strung (with overgrip)
Balance:
Swingweight:
Stiffness:
Lead placement: All around outside, top half of handle
Leads length:
Over grip: Wilson Pro Overgrip
Grip: 4 3/8
Strings: Gut/alu power?
String Pattern: 18x20
Tension:

I'll update the thread once I find the specs, I know there are a few around here somewhere

Djokovic
17 bab vs mains, 16l alu power 60~lbs
373~swingweight
354grams
Stiffness ~60 (varying numbers)

Lead Placement 3/9, top of handle.

Double Over grip on 1/2 handle.

Wawrinka is an estimate, so better to say 357-363 SW.

Murray uses ALU Power mains, VS crosses I believe.

 

[RanchDressing]

Nishikori is a 342 343 strung weight about a 350 sw, extended length racquet, lux 4g mains 17g and wilson natural gut crosses.

Stan's tension is 27-28kg for mains, one kg lower for crosses. Lead placement is under bumper and at 3/9. Custom pallet I believe.

 

[RanchDressing]

As for small grip size, you can use it without problems with higher swingweight and high racquet head speed. Most of the pros use such an aggressive spin oriented swingpath, the swingweight just plows through the racquet and a low twist weight and small grip don't bother them at all.

Murray is not 345 swingweight for sure. Probably 360 or above. He used to be 400+

 

[RanchDressing]

TW had nadal's 2011 racquet.

Specs were 356-357, 11.9oz and balance was around 33.3-4 I believe. Does change with damper slightly though. Weight all under the bumper, very low twist weight, 4 1/4 grip, skin feel+bab over grip, bab rpm 1.35 @ 55lbs. Aero Pro Drive original+paint.
There are some other specs out there, but I trust this one because I know exactly where it came from, held the racquet in my hands, and spoken to someone who played with it.

 

[RanchDressing]

I also saw the gulbis frame one of our members posted about a while ago. It had a 360 swingweight, not sure about the balance, or static (can't remember) but it was a pt57a (I may have to check my pictures).

Quite sure he's going to be using the same sw now.

Fed is probably right above 350sw as he was before. Likely same static and balance as well. Also quite likely that he has a lower (non retail) twistweight, as his previous frames were much lower TW than the 14.9 the retail RF97a has (~13).

 

[dr325i]

Djokovic
17 bab vs mains, 16l alu power 60~lbs
373~swingweight
354grams
Stiffness ~60 (varying numbers)

Lead Placement 3/9, top of handle.

Double Over grip on 1/2 handle.

Wawrinka is an estimate, so better to say 357-363 SW.

Murray uses ALU Power mains, VS crosses I believe.

Red is incorrect, though his weight and SW varies slightly: 359/370.
Lead is placed all-around the hoop all the way from 7 to 5 pretty much.
Grip is 4 3/8 with double OG on top.

 

[dr325i]

The lm Radical is closer to 95 than 98.

Correct, holding one of the PT113B1 right now and it is a "Head standard 98", which is closer to the 95 - identical mold as iRadical/TiRadical/LM Radical no ridges

 

[RanchDressing]

Red is incorrect, though his weight and SW varies slightly: 359/370.
Lead is placed all-around the hoop all the way from 7 to 5 pretty much.
Grip is 4 3/8 with double OG on top.

Nope its considered 3/9 weight placement, because weight placement is dictated by the center of the strip, not how far it reaches. The strips are very long and in pictures you can see are just short of reaching together at the 12 o'clock position. But officially that's the correct way to calculate it using the twu calculators. I was taught this by paul reed of tw.


Next up his swingweight has always been about the 370 mark. Even when he was at head prior to moving to wilson, prior to moving back to head. There was no changing of that. Several places verify this stat, including greg raven and those on this board who have bought his frame. Also those sw numbers were roughly confirmed to me while i worked at tw.

As for your grip size, he uses 4 1/2 with two og. 8:25

If you are going to discredit one of my posts please link us to the direct evidence that would show I'm incorrect. That way people can make their own conclusions. I've never been able to find fab feds post about the alternative spec 357. Everyone ive seen was 370 or 373 of his newer frames.

 

[dr325i]

Nope its considered 3/9 weight placement, because weight placement is dictated by the center of the strip, not how far it reaches. The strips are very long and in pictures you can see are just short of reaching together at the 12 o'clock position. But officially that's the correct way to calculate it using the twu calculators. I was taught this by paul reed of tw.


Next up his swingweight has always been about the 370 mark. Even when he was at head prior to moving to wilson, prior to moving back to head. There was no changing of that. Several places verify this stat, including greg raven and those on this board who have bought his frame. Also those sw numbers were roughly confirmed to me while i worked at tw.

As for your grip size, he uses 4 1/2 with two og. 8:25

If you are going to discredit one of my posts please link us to the direct evidence that would show I'm incorrect. That way people can make their own conclusions

Let me simplify it for you: I have his current PJ and have had his previous in my possession. Also NikeUp posted novaks racket with grip taken off and the pallet (TK57) clearly shows "3" for L3 that is 4 3/8.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/novaks-head-graphene-xt-pj.529586/
Next, his lead goes all the way from 7 to 5 without a break at 12 as you claim. However, you are correct that he did have a 12 o'clock break in 2011.

 

[RanchDressing]

Let me simplify it for you: I have his current PJ and have had his previous in my possession. Also NikeUp posted novaks racket with grip taken off and the pallet (TK76) clearly shows "3" for L3 that is 4 3/8.
Next, his lead goes all the way from 7 to 5 without a break at 12 as you claim. However, you are correct that he did have a 12 o'clock break in 2011.

I will agree with you that the weight does span the entire length of the hoop. But the way to mathematically represent this is by the center of the arc length. And that was my point.

Every frame picture out there is slightly different as every frame is slightly different and will need different amounts of lead. I was told p1 will start most pros out by adding weight to 12 and then if the player needs more they just continue down the length of the frame. Ultimately just circling the entire hoop (aside from the 6 o clock).

Im sure you've seen these pics and read these specs. Theyre actually from tt just reposted elsewhere. Would you mind posting up the 357 info?
http://tennisopolis.com/m/discussion?id=1869403:Topic:792641

 

[RanchDressing]

He uses a custom HEAD manufactured with a 98" headsize, 18x20 string pattern, and what looks to be either 20 mm or 21 mm straight beam.

i read in another thread that these are his specs, though i don't know if they are for the new HEAD or for his older Wilson molds..

Weight: 360g
Balance: 32 cm
SW: 371
Flex: 51 RA.

Pretty hefty, but seemingly low-powered setup (12.6 oz, 7 pts hl (thereabouts) and a 371 swingweight, but only 51 RA)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/djokovics-racquet.295914/page-2

The 336sw unstrung lines up with a 370 strung with damp sw perfectly (31 for strings, 18x20 17g, 3 for ~3g dampener at ~15.5"). And has been posted several times in several places. Again please link to anywhere that disproves this.

As for grip size I've heard both now. If you say it's 4 3/8 and have seen the frame or whatever the case is, I believe you. But swingweight is a bit more important and I've seen that number consistantly used from several sources, and 370 ballpark was what I heard while working at tw from people in the industry.

 

[dr325i]

I will agree with you that the weight does span the entire length of the hoop. But the way to mathematically represent this is by the center of the arc length. And that was my point.

Every frame picture out there is slightly different as every frame is slightly different and will need different amounts of lead. I was told p1 will start most pros out by adding weight to 12 and then if the player needs more they just continue down the length of the frame. Ultimately just circling the entire hoop (aside from the 6 o clock).

Im sure you've seen these pics and read these specs. Theyre actually from tt just reposted elsewhere. Would you mind posting up the 357 info?
http://tennisopolis.com/m/discussion?id=1869403:Topic:792641

I am not sure what "357" you refer to. His racket weight is 359, SW370, flex 60RA strung with 2 OGs and dampener.
Again, I have one of those with me, though, I set it up to my spec

 

[RalphJ]

I thought Djokovic uses the regular Graphene XT Speed Pro?!

 

[RanchDressing]

I am not sure what "357" you refer to. His racket weight is 359, SW370, flex 60RA strung with 2 OGs and dampener.
Again, I have one of those with me, though, I set it up to my spec

Oh I miss understood you, my bad. I thought you meant his swingweight was 357. My apologies.

 

[Nostradamus]

Nope its considered 3/9 weight placement, because weight placement is dictated by the center of the strip, not how far it reaches. The strips are very long and in pictures you can see are just short of reaching together at the 12 o'clock position. But officially that's the correct way to calculate it using the twu calculators. I was taught this by paul reed of tw.


Next up his swingweight has always been about the 370 mark. Even when he was at head prior to moving to wilson, prior to moving back to head. There was no changing of that. Several places verify this stat, including greg raven and those on this board who have bought his frame. Also those sw numbers were roughly confirmed to me while i worked at tw.

As for your grip size, he uses 4 1/2 with two og. 8:25

If you are going to discredit one of my posts please link us to the direct evidence that would show I'm incorrect. That way people can make their own conclusions. I've never been able to find fab feds post about the alternative spec 357. Everyone ive seen was 370 or 373 of his newer frames.

Truly Tryuly Amazing................So practically ALL the pros use the Natural Gut in the Mains Not crosses..............WOW.... I just don't get it. I always thought the Spin generation comes from the Poly in the Mains. and Main string was what grabs the Ball ???????????

 

[RanchDressing]

Truly Tryuly Amazing................So practically ALL the pros use the Natural Gut in the Mains Not crosses..............WOW.... I just don't get it. I always thought the Spin generation comes from the Poly in the Mains. and Main string was what grabs the Ball ???????????

The spin production comes from the low friction that results from having two different materials. Specifically the coating/natural makeup of the natural gut against the smooth/slick polyester coating. Nishikori and murray are poly mains and novak and roger are natural gut mains. So it comes down to preference. The reseach has shown though that natural gut mains and poly crosses are slightly more slippery than the opposite setup and have a bit more movement likely due to the elasticity of gut. But obviously both work. It all comes down to the player and how they strike the ball

 

[BlueB]

The reseach has shown though that natural gut mains and poly crosses are slightly more slippery than the opposite setup

The research has actuslly shown that gut/poly is a LOT more slippery then poly/gut.

 

[RanchDressing]

The research has actuslly shown that gut/poly is a LOT more slippery then poly/gut.

I don't remember the specifics and I was lazy to look it up, but yeah you're right

Although even then the average tter would likely not feel the difference.

 

[robbo1970]

I'm confused about Djokovic's racquet. So many threads and posts about what it is under the paintjob.

So.....is it a MG Radical MP mold or something completely custom made just for him?

Is it a true 98? (the reason I ask is because it just looks bigger than a 95 and when I searched for the thread which had his 2011 racquet against the retail Speed, the retail was only slightly larger.)

Also, the beam looks a lot thicker than 21mm.

I'm sure it's a case of my eyes deceiving me, but in every picture I see of Djokovic, I always say to myself that I'm sure that looks bigger than a 95.

 

[dr325i]

I'm confused about Djokovic's racquet. So many threads and posts about what it is under the paintjob.

So.....is it a MG Radical MP mold or something completely custom made just for him?

Is it a true 98? (the reason I ask is because it just looks bigger than a 95 and when I searched for the thread which had his 2011 racquet against the retail Speed, the retail was only slightly larger.)

Also, the beam looks a lot thicker than 21mm.

I'm sure it's a case of my eyes deceiving me, but in every picture I see of Djokovic, I always say to myself that I'm sure that looks bigger than a 95.

It is NOT the MG Radical MP mold.
The PT113B1 is identical to iRadical/Ti Radical/LM Radical MP (no ridges) mold, but the layup on its own.

 

[robbo1970]

It is NOT the MG Radical MP mold.
The PT113B1 is identical to iRadical/Ti Radical/LM Radical MP (no ridges) mold, but the layup on its own.

Thank you for clearing that up.

And is it a true 98 or is it one of those where it's actually a 95?

 

[dr325i]

Thank you for clearing that up.

And is it a true 98 or is it one of those where it's actually a 95?

It is not a true 98. The MG radical grommets or any prestige CAPs will fit on it, 21mm beam

 

[RanchDressing]

Thank you for clearing that up.

And is it a true 98 or is it one of those where it's actually a 95?

It's not a true 98 as dr said, specifically head measures the head size by entire face area, including beam.

 

[robbo1970]

It's not a true 98 as dr said, specifically head measures the head size by entire face area, including beam.

Yes I thought that was the case with the Prestige line, but wasn't sure about the Radical line.

It's just that when you see some pictures of Djokovic, the head size of the racquet looks bigger than a 95. It must just be my eyes.

 

[RanchDressing]

Yes I thought that was the case with the Prestige line, but wasn't sure about the Radical line.

It's just that when you see some pictures of Djokovic, the head size of the racquet looks bigger than a 95. It must just be my eyes.

Paul Reed of TW said the exact same things when I asked him about novaks frame. Even the speed 300 frames i played with for a while (leaded the crap out of) looked huge, like 105 or 107. My two cents is it's the paintjob. Paul said even considering the white paint it looked huge in person (he had a guy ask him to replicate one of novaks sticks they bought at auction).
There's a pretty large amount of evidence that says its an i.rad. its amazing what paintjobs do to our eyes. I personally thought the rf97 looked like a small midplus because of its paint, especially from a few courts over