TimePlease
Semi-Pro
Where did you read that?
Pro Staff 100 v13? Discuss here!
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I didn't read it, I saw it while watching her mixed doubles - and looking at the racquet and comparative v13 PS (which it is painted like), it looked closest to the PS six one 100
TimePlease
Semi-Pro
I think they're probably just v13 paint jobs on completely different pro stock frames. I can't imagine Venus using a retail frame, especially as light as this.
I've been playing with this frame for a couple of weeks, so far I love it. Has good power, sweet spot feels just the right size to have good power but not ever uncontrollable. Slices, serves, and forehands feel great, on volleys I can get a little vibration if I'm off center but that could be partly the stringing too. Overall, great frame even for a beginner like myself.
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I detect only a slight vibration. I let someone else hit with my stick and they said they felt a lot of vibration, which I thought was weird. Either way, I find the racket very arm friendly so what vibration there may be does not affect comfort or playability. Even better with a gut/poly hybrid, which I think is common with pure staffs.
Are you using gut in the mains or crosses?
Mains. If I’m using gut, it’s going in the mains. I have a second racket (with a poly) I may restring with gut and tourna black zone, which I have liked in the past.
brownbearfalling
Hall of Fame
Loving all the positive feedback on this frame.
not trying to freak anyone out and this might be too early to worry about But……what is the grommet situation for this frame. A bit ridiculous to not offer grommets for a CURRENT production frame. Wilson is the worst about offering grommets. They don’t even offer grommets for the six one 95 pro labs v13. For this reason I can’t see myself using this racquet as my main frame.
not trying to freak anyone out and this might be too early to worry about But……what is the grommet situation for this frame. A bit ridiculous to not offer grommets for a CURRENT production frame. Wilson is the worst about offering grommets. They don’t even offer grommets for the six one 95 pro labs v13. For this reason I can’t see myself using this racquet as my main frame.
InterestingPS six one 100?
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
In the Pro Staff v14 thread everyone is talking about the ps97 and psx. As a big fan of the PS100v13, I would like to hear if anyone has tried the new PS100v14.
rv75
Rookie
Isn’t the PSX the new 100?
theres a PSX which is a PS97 with a bigger head (same specs) and the PS Six One 100 which is a 305g 100sq in PS 6.1
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The 6.1 100 v13 was/is a great racquet. I hope they release grommets. Cuts through the air nicely. Was a confusing release (initially not sold in the USA) and never got the respect it deserves.
AceyMan
Professional
Wilson and their grommet availability is a joke and makes adopting their racquets as a main gamer kind of impossible for serious recreational players.
HEAD, Babolat, Yonex all have better availability for previous (and current!) models.
It's shameful imo.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Hey, did you post any feedback on the PS100v14? I’d like to know how it compares to the v13. The only issue I have with the v13 is that I don’t mind it being a bit more powerful. I see the stiffness on v14 is higher, which might mean more power? It’s difficult to find a racquet that’s simultaneously comfortable and powerful.
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
Don’t have a ton of time on it but early impressions are that they play the same.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Yeah I figure it’s just a paint update, and a price update lol.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Good news guys. Wilson finally releases grommet for PS100v13 and v14. TW is selling them. Now I can finally stop my new racket search.
That being said, during the past several months, I tried a bunch of rackets and none compared to the PS100. One thing that’s hard to beat is that you can hit flat or loopy with this frame. I think the nature of Pro Staff gives it control and flat hitting capability as a base and the 100sq head and possible aerodynamic design gives it more spin and height than a typical control frame, which allows to you hit more shape if you want to.
Just to name some examples. Radical MP is great for hitting flat, good plow, good control, but require hard work to hit more spin and height. Extreme tour has incredible spin and shape, but bad plow through and not very natural to swing in a flatting hitting trajectory.
I wonder if anyone has come to a frame that behaves similarly as the PS100.
That being said, during the past several months, I tried a bunch of rackets and none compared to the PS100. One thing that’s hard to beat is that you can hit flat or loopy with this frame. I think the nature of Pro Staff gives it control and flat hitting capability as a base and the 100sq head and possible aerodynamic design gives it more spin and height than a typical control frame, which allows to you hit more shape if you want to.
Just to name some examples. Radical MP is great for hitting flat, good plow, good control, but require hard work to hit more spin and height. Extreme tour has incredible spin and shape, but bad plow through and not very natural to swing in a flatting hitting trajectory.
I wonder if anyone has come to a frame that behaves similarly as the PS100.
Tennis_dude101
Professional
I finally picked up a new PS 100 V14 on sale this week 
, also came with a free restring, got it strung with Luxilon ALU at 45lbs. Can't wait to see how it compares to my V1 Clash 100 
, also came with a free restring, got it strung with Luxilon ALU at 45lbs. Can't wait to see how it compares to my V1 Clash 100
TimePlease
Semi-Pro
Actually, yes; the Artengo TR960 Control Tour plays very similarly and, I would say, has a more consistent stringbed. It has the same versatility in terms of spin and flat that you're talking about, fairly similar feel as well (semi-muted), and a little more power.
The PS100 (I've only used v13) has 3 fatal flaws for me, which stopped me using it :-
1. Too underpowered and unstable on defence when up against big hitters
2. String bed seemed erratic sometimes - I lost trust in it (but maybe that was just me)
3. The feel is too muted for my personal taste
Otherwise, it's an outstanding frame for 4.0 - 4.5 attacking players. It needs mass to stabilise at 3/9 for any higher level of play.
LeatherBlade
New User
No so great news on grommets for this racket in UK/EU. They are not and won't be available to buy here in 2023 - very poor by Wilson. However, I wrote to them directly and complained about it - they indicated that this would change in 2024 and they would stock the V14 grommet (same as v13 I know)...... we'll see!
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Oh really? The one Monfils uses? I thought that is meant to copy Wilson H19, the Ultra Pro, which is super underpowered and needs a lot of weight to perform well. So the Artengo TR960 has more power than PS100 in stock form?
You’re right about the PS100 short on power and stability. Though I have no problem with the feel or stringbed consistency. Anyway, I added 2g at 3&9 which brings the SW to about 325 and I have no stability issue against 4.0 players. It also adds power as well. I also switch to using Velocity/Ghostwire hybrid from FB Poly which gives me really good power.
TimePlease
Semi-Pro
Monfils uses the 18x20 and actually he uses a pro stock version, so not actually the same frame. I was talking about the 16x19, the one like the 6.1 100. Yes, people say it's like the Ultra Pro and the power level is still low, for sure, but I don't think it's less than the 6.1 100. I've never played it stock, only weighted up to 325SW, same as you, and then they are very similar frames. I did a comparison review on the Racketaholic thread if you want to search for it. My conclusion is the 6.1 has a slightly bigger sweetspot and is therefore a bit easier to use, but the Artengo is more precise. Otherwise similar.
tophersuwita
Rookie
Does anybody hear a high pitch/almost whistling sound when swinging the Eurostaff? I mean, my Prince ATS 98 exudes higher pitch when swung (vs Prestige MP 2.0/Ezone Tour/RF97 which have low pitch swing sound), but not this higher.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
mine does if it's unstrung. strung it sounds just as any other racket.
tophersuwita
Rookie
I strung it with Cyclone 48 lbs, same as my ATS. Is it making any difference?
tophersuwita
Rookie
Total static weight of mine is 337 g with Volkl overgrip+Cyclone string 17g+Head head bumper. Is it normal? Unstrung weight was 305.1 g. With those added 2 g, what is your static weight?
tophersuwita
Rookie
Can you tell me the advantage of Six One 100 versus the Pure Drive, for example, in the case of up against big hitter? I really like the versatility of this racket, but sometimes wonder whether I hinder my game with a more difficult racket.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
My PS100 is about 305g unstrung without lead tape. With 2 gram lead tape + 5 gram over-grip + 17 gram string is a little above 328g.
tophersuwita
Rookie
Hmm maybe my overgrip is too heavy? I noticed that all of my rackets always are a bit overweight than my friends', even when the unstrung weight is almost similar.
Another thing: what is this racket main advantage to a more easier racket like PD or EZ 100 or Boom Pro or maybe Blade 100 beside Pro Staffian feel? I like the 6.1 100 very much but can't help but wonder whether my tennis life could be easier
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
I see you mentioned head bumper. What is that? Maybe that's increasing the weight?
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TimePlease
Semi-Pro
I'm not the best person to talk about Babolats as I've only tried a couple of Babs and didn't like the feel. My understanding is that the Pure Drive is more powerful and better on defence. The PS100 is really an attacking-only racket for someone who always imparts their own power. It's primary strength is awesome control when you are on the front foot. You can guide the ball very smoothly, wherever you want it and find all sorts of angles. It's great fun when you're out on top dictating the game... and if you're fast enough around the court to not get stretched when the pace and intensity increase, and able to maintain composure and still hit cleanly...then it's still a magic wand in the right hands. But realistically, we all tend to hit late and off balance when under pressure against big hitters... and that's when a Pure Drive-type frame is going to be much more helpful.
I would say the PS100 depends a lot on perfect technique and timing, and consistent application of power. It gives nothing for free which becomes tiring in a difficult match...whereas the PD is more forgiving and easier to trade blows and push your opponent back. So it all depends on your game style and attributes on court.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
I haven't had much experience with PD or EZ, though I briefly played with the Boom Pro and find it not an easy racket. I would compare Pro Staff 100 to the likes of Blade 98, Radical MP. It's sort of a control racket but it has easier spin and bigger sweet spot. The new Pure Strike 100 16*20 might fall in the same category as well, but I still find Pro Staff 100 has easier access to spin compared to Pure Strike 100 16*20. That's what got me into Pro Staff 100, a spinnier and more forgiving control racket at the 305g weight class.
I basically learnt to play tennis with Pro Staff 100. @TimePlease may have made the racket seem too hard to use. I mean sure, in the beginning my shots are weak as I haven't learnt the weight transfer yet, but I could hit spin and height as I have a reasonable stroke. Gradually I learnt how to generate power from weight transfer and has a more relaxed and efficient stroke, I can hit pretty lethal shot now.
So it depends on your level and how you want to play tennis. If you are a beginner and want to just pick up and play, PD or EZ will give you an easier time. I was learning from coach for a year before I started playing with other people and I can imagine if I started playing with other people in the beginning with Pro Staff 100, I would not have as good an experience as with PD or EZ.
tophersuwita
Rookie
It's 4 g distributed between 09-15, for weight+guarding against scrape
tophersuwita
Rookie
I mentioned PD just to give example about "easier tweener" racket. I mean, beside the good feel, it's no wonder my amateur league is full of Babolats/Yonexes. Precisely because in similar level imo we will defend a lot too.
tophersuwita
Rookie
Thank you for your insight! I am interested in PS 16x20 too so you hit the nail there. I thought PS is a bit easier (tried previous 100 16x19 version) because of lower SW.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Yeah, PS 16x20 is quite heavy. My friend measured some and bought the lowest SW one which is still pretty hefty at 296 SW. In comparison, my PS100 is 289 SW + 4 SW lead tape. Among the PS100 v13 I measured, most are about 287-292 SW.
tophersuwita
Rookie
Will you recommend PS for lighter SW than Six One and which PS? In Babolat lineups, I like PA+ 2019, it feels comfortable and forgiving, but hard to put off the ball because of its launch angle
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
PA is very different from Pure Strike. I do like the PA but it requires me to play in a different style. I don't understand your question. Are you saying Six.One 100 SW is higher than you like? 290 unstrung will be just above 320 after strung, which I don't think is super high. QC on Pure Strike 16*20 and Pure Strike 98 are both pretty bad. SW has huge variance on them.
I left my tennis bag full of gravity tours in the car, which i left at the train station after a trip to Wimbledon.
So out the cupboard the six.one 100 came.
And I played amazingly with it! More topspin than the gravity, bigger serve, and I felt really able to control my direction more.
The gravity is better on the defensive, bigger sweetspot, a bit more stable under pressure. But the six.one is a beast if on the attack, really enjoyed it and am considering switching
My only issue is my arm, I felt it for the first time in months, the six.one is quite stiff. May need to drop tension, which may mean I loose the control and direction I liked, and the gravity tours win out again... We shall see.
So out the cupboard the six.one 100 came.
And I played amazingly with it! More topspin than the gravity, bigger serve, and I felt really able to control my direction more.
The gravity is better on the defensive, bigger sweetspot, a bit more stable under pressure. But the six.one is a beast if on the attack, really enjoyed it and am considering switching
My only issue is my arm, I felt it for the first time in months, the six.one is quite stiff. May need to drop tension, which may mean I loose the control and direction I liked, and the gravity tours win out again... We shall see.
