Pro Stock rackets / Advice for selection

After an Odyssey in finding my Ithaka as regards the ONE, ind cided in light of Christmas to give myself a treat amd go for the purchase of a promstock racquet. My problem is thatbthere are so many to select from, Wilson H19, H22, Head PTs, TGTs, TGKs etc.

Considering thstbi don't have any access to test any, is there any source in here where a desription for all/most molds/layups is consolidated?

If it is any help, I currently play with a Donnay P1 GT (quadcore) 16x19 and i really like the feel. Also would love to keep this 16x19 pattern and if possible at a similar density.

Any help is really appreciated.
 

SinjinCooper

Hall of Fame
After an Odyssey in finding my Ithaka as regards the ONE, ind cided in light of Christmas to give myself a treat amd go for the purchase of a promstock racquet. My problem is thatbthere are so many to select from, Wilson H19, H22, Head PTs, TGTs, TGKs etc.

Considering thstbi don't have any access to test any, is there any source in here where a desription for all/most molds/layups is consolidated?

If it is any help, I currently play with a Donnay P1 GT (quadcore) 16x19 and i really like the feel. Also would love to keep this 16x19 pattern and if possible at a similar density.

Any help is really appreciated.
Buy more Donnays, from the sound of it.
 

Federerkblade

Hall of Fame
Where do you find donnay racquets these days is the donnay pro one 18/20 similar to h22 ?

I saw some pics to say it was ?
 
I can get Donnay at a local teenis shop here in Greece.

Well guys, thanks for mst of the replies which are not that helpful in addressing the question. Will have a look at th Prince
 

SinjinCooper

Hall of Fame
Well guys, thanks for mst of the replies which are not that helpful in addressing the question.
Well, in our defense, the question wasn't great.

You say you have a racquet that you like the feel of, the pattern of, and the pattern density of, and mention zero things you dislike about it. Anybody would be insane to advise you toward any specific pro stock racquet that'll cost double or more. From what you described, you'd be better off adding more of the stick you already know you like. For the price of a pro stock frame, you can wind up with a bag full of identical sticks you already enjoy and be set for the next decade.

Why do you want a pro stock racquet? What are you hoping for that you're not getting out of your current racquet? Anything you're looking for except the mythical feeling of being the guy who plays with a pro stock? Because if you want that, any $400 one will do. If you want something specific, be specific.
 

Moonarse

Semi-Pro
By the look of it you just want a prostock.

buy the one that you feel like is the most "prostockish". the harder one with a custom mold. If you buy a ytk prestige with a graphene pj you will just be losing some money.

For real, I'm not judging you, dont get me wrong. We all get you. 90% of the forum just want a prostock because it is a prostock. we arent really benefiting from anything. not in a way you could not find and customize on the shelf of your tennis store.
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
I would look for a new prostock if you decide to get one. The whole reason to get one, is to customize it to your specs (and it isn't much fun undoing the work of someone else). Right now there are a ton of amazing Prince prostock frames on the big auction site (some that don't even need customized). Or pick up a new Tecnifibre Tfight 315 LTD 16 or 18 main, and customize it to your preferred specs (it's a retail prostock, that is still available to Tecnifibre sponsored pros) Either way, get some lead tape, blutack, and/or silicone to go with it.
I have several prostocks, and I play just as good with my regular frames as the prostocks ;) but I was like you, and curiosity got the better of me :D:D:D
The biggest question you should ask yourself. Do you know how to customize a frame? (because pros have customizers tailor the frame to their specific wants/needs)
Good luck on the quest!!! Whatever you decide to do.
 
Thanks again for the replies. To answer your questions there are two main drivers behind my quest for a pro stock.
Having played with the Donnay which is a rather flex racket (60 unstrung) I am intrigued to see If I will like more a more flex racket. As such I am looking for a pro stock of lower than 60ish of flex as I guess that a pro stock vs a retail of similar specs and a flex of 60 is different than the retail. (which my understanding is that it limits the potential universe).
Secondly I have read many times that the flex points are so different and combined with the freedom to customize it however one wants I MAY be able to produce sth better than the one I have (same power, "better" feel for my taste). And don;t tell me here that as long as you are happy with what you have stick with it. I am against this principle by nature. There may be sth better out there.
And absolutely I am not in to buying a pro stock just to yield a pro stock...vanity is not within me.

As you read above both drivers have the word "MAY" and that is the key reason I have not decided yet as to whether I should go ahead or not.

As such and calling to the wealth of knowledge of many people here, what would be my options for a flex (around 60ish max) pro stock racket?
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
As such I am looking for a pro stock of lower than 60ish of flex as I guess that a pro stock vs a retail of similar specs and a flex of 60 is different than the retail. (which my understanding is that it limits the potential universe).
Hi - there are a number of very good retail racquets with flex below 60 that you could try without having to occur the cost of pro stocks. I can name all of them if you like, but straight off there are the Prince Tour 100s (the 2 versions before the textreme - EXo3 Tour 100 and the later Tour 100). So i'd be inclined to look in that direction first.
 
Hi - there are a number of very good retail racquets with flex below 60 that you could try without having to occur the cost of pro stocks. I can name all of them if you like, but straight off there are the Prince Tour 100s (the 2 versions before the textreme - EXo3 Tour 100 and the later Tour 100). So i'd be inclined to look in that direction first.
Thanks. I have looked into the Prince albeit i am dettered bybthe 100 head. I am inclined at max 97-98. Also i prefer a beam of 21.
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
I have looked into the Prince albeit i am dettered bybthe 100 head. I am inclined at max 97-98. Also i prefer a beam of 21.
Sure - well the Prince Tour 98 is very close in that case. Others are the Tecnifibre 315 Limited, Head Microgel or Youtek Radical MP (as a platform), Pro Kennex Black Ace 98 or "Type C".

Just a thought. Feel free to put to one side.
 
Sure - well the Prince Tour 98 is very close in that case. Others are the Tecnifibre 315 Limited, Head Microgel or Youtek Radical MP (as a platform), Pro Kennex Black Ace 98 or "Type C".

Just a thought. Feel free to put to one side.

I truly appreciate this. I will look at te avg specs and see if i can customize any of thise to my preferred. Also inwill take a look at sixteen mains as i am no fan of eigtheen.
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
I'd also suggest getting a Tecnifibre Tfight 315 Ltd or an Angell TC97. Affordable pro stock for the masses, even though the Tec has been discontinued and may be harder to find nowadays.
 

Crocodile

Legend
Thanks. I have looked into the Prince albeit i am dettered bybthe 100 head. I am inclined at max 97-98. Also i prefer a beam of 21.
The pro stock frame that fits this criteria very well would be Novak's Head. It's an LM radical with a 21.6 beam width with lots of lead everywhere.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
There is practically no reason to spend extra money on a pro-stock racket at all, so I would save it.
I went through the Pro Stock experience and spent a bunch of money and found some really nice frames. Eventually. It was a process full of waiting and experimenting and a fair amount of frustration. Today, you have Angell (maybe you did back then too) and they could probably make something close to what you want for less money, work and frustration.
 

haegger

Semi-Pro
I went through the Pro Stock experience and spent a bunch of money and found some really nice frames. Eventually. It was a process full of waiting and experimenting and a fair amount of frustration. Today, you have Angell (maybe you did back then too) and they could probably make something close to what you want for less money, work and frustration.
@movdqa - what are your specs of your IG Prestige? How much lead you put in your racquet? At what position? Do you add silicone? Thanks!
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
@movdqa - what are your specs of your IG Prestige? How much lead you put in your racquet? At what position? Do you add silicone? Thanks!
The specs are in my signature.

There's 15 grams of lead from 10 to 2 and silicone in the handle.

The set of four that I bought were made for a Dutch pro but they made the wrong frame so the 15 frames were put up on the market. I'm using the frames as I got them so, outside of a little experimenting, I've always played them with the specs that the Dutch pro used.
 

haegger

Semi-Pro
The specs are in my signature.

There's 15 grams of lead from 10 to 2 and silicone in the handle.

The set of four that I bought were made for a Dutch pro but they made the wrong frame so the 15 frames were put up on the market. I'm using the frames as I got them so, outside of a little experimenting, I've always played them with the specs that the Dutch pro used.
Thanks, man. But i was wondering: 15 grams of lead doesn't make the racquet less maneuverable? I think, with your setup, you don't need a faster racquet head speed to hit the ball. Am i right?
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks, man. But i was wondering: 15 grams of lead doesn't make the racquet less maneuverable? I think, with your setup, you don't need a faster racquet head speed to hit the ball. Am i right?
I could barely get the ball over the net with these things when I first got them. It took me about six months to get comfortable with the racquets.

Racquet-head-speed is important with these frames though - I think that it's important in the modern game. I put more energy into the low-to-high to hit topspin and the mass takes care of the forward acceleration.

I think that the biggest thing with Pro Stocks is finding what works best for you - or something close to that. But it takes time to figure that out and Pro Stocks are just a fairly expensive way to go about doing that unless you have easy access to customization services. Even then, you have the problem of getting more copies of a frame if you decide that you like something.
 

haegger

Semi-Pro
I could barely get the ball over the net with these things when I first got them. It took me about six months to get comfortable with the racquets.

Racquet-head-speed is important with these frames though - I think that it's important in the modern game. I put more energy into the low-to-high to hit topspin and the mass takes care of the forward acceleration.

I think that the biggest thing with Pro Stocks is finding what works best for you - or something close to that. But it takes time to figure that out and Pro Stocks are just a fairly expensive way to go about doing that unless you have easy access to customization services. Even then, you have the problem of getting more copies of a frame if you decide that you like something.
And you got more power and heavy shots with this setup?
 

tball

Semi-Pro
You cannot pin pro stock qualities to a name or even a number. I've seen them vary tremendously in all parameters under the same paintjob. You need to try to find out the exact specs of the frame you are buying, and then you will know what you are getting. Most prostocks do not *feel* better than Donnays. The majority are much stiffer/harsher. You may run into a big disappointment there. There are just a few specimens circularing around with an RA of 56 and lower -- those are indeed sweet frames, better than any retail and better than Donnays. If the feel is what you are after, this is what you need to be looking for.
 
You cannot pin pro stock qualities to a name or even a number. I've seen them vary tremendously in all parameters under the same paintjob. You need to try to find out the exact specs of the frame you are buying, and then you will know what you are getting. Most prostocks do not *feel* better than Donnays. The majority are much stiffer/harsher. You may run into a big disappointment there. There are just a few specimens circularing around with an RA of 56 and lower -- those are indeed sweet frames, better than any retail and better than Donnays. If the feel is what you are after, this is what you need to be looking for.

Thanks a lot for the feedback. It seems that the consensus here is that trying to find a pro stock that fits one's bill might turn out an expensive wild goose chase. As such I think I will pass and keep on using the Donnay.
 

Rajesh

New User
As such I think I will pass and keep on using the Donnay?

Don't give up in search for your optimal racquet!

I found my optimal racquet at first time I bought pro stock racquet!

Used pro stock racquet is about $200 ~ $250.
 

Seth

Legend
As such I think I will pass and keep on using the Donnay?

Don't give up in search for your optimal racquet!

I found my optimal racquet at first time I bought pro stock racquet!

Used pro stock racquet is about $200 ~ $250.
Depends on the brand. New Prince pro stocks can be very reasonable.
 
Depends on the brand. New Prince pro stocks can be very reasonable.

I share the feeling of many here that this is going to be a tedious and potentially frustrating effort. Main reason being that I am unaware of the specs of each pro stock and therefore difficult to identify which code would fit my bill. So that means searching randomly between for example the TGKs the TGTs and whatever ( I guess I will rule out the Wilsons H19 and H22 as I don;t think the come at a flex of max 60 - pls correct me if I am wrong). And assuming I find sth that reads within a preferred range I will have to buy it without testing it first. So this is a binomial trade: like it or don't like it. As such I have two options now:

1. Try to narrow down which codes might turn out more appealing to me based on my key specs (max 345gr, 8 pts HL, flex max 60, 16x19 pattern, max beam 21/22). If you know which codes are in that ball park happy to read your suggestions as I came to find that it could be Head TGK 231.3 (Cilic mold), or TGT 291.2 (for which I have been unable to find the flex).
2. Test the new Donnay Pro One Pentacore which is within very customizable stock specs (I already play with the Quad core hence easy to turn the penta into my specs), which has a flex of 57. Consideration here is its retail price which is a very expensive pro stock as it stands at USD$ 299! At least I have the chance to demo this one from a local tennis shop.
 

Jocke

Rookie
I have a pair of TGT 291.2 They both have an unstrung flex of 64, which means 61/62 strung. I have not measured them strung though.
 
I have a pair of TGT 291.2 They both have an unstrung flex of 64, which means 61/62 strung. I have not measured them strung though.
Thanks for letting me know. It seems then that this is out of my list. I am looking for max 60 unstrung, judging from my Donnay. There is however one consideration. Donnay is a foam filled racquet with a flex of 60 unstrung - around 58 strung. How would a pro stock feel if it had a higher flex? I guess it would feel a lot stiffer...wouldn't it?
 

Rajesh

New User
Today, I have time to read whole thread and I think I am in opposite position with OP position!

I have all famous pro stock racquets:
1. Tecnifibre TFight 315 Ltd
2. Head tgk 263.3
3. PT57A
4. PT630

I like my pro stock racquets a lot and I think my racquet quest stopped! Until I read OP's paragraph:

"And don;t tell me here that as long as you are happy with what you have stick with it. I am against this principle by nature. There may be sth better out there."

After reading that + knowing OP used and liked Donnay racquet a lot, I think my racquet quest may not stop with pro stock racquet.

May be something better out there waiting for me to try? I have not tried foam filled racquet yet!


OP wants to try pro stock racquet, I want to try foam filled racquet such as Donnay or Angell racquet. I am in opposite position with OP's position!

I wish OP and I can exchange racquet for a few days to try the racquet that we want to try without buying it!

My head pro stock tgk 263.3 is exactly what OP wanted. 16x19, Flex <= 60 RA may be 56 RA. Strung weight 326 g with silicone in handle, no lead under grommet when I bought. After I customized, strung weight 338 g with silicone in handle + 14 g lead, 8.75 HL, beam 21 mm, supper comfort!
 
Today, I have time to read whole thread and I think I am in opposite position with OP position!

I have all famous pro stock racquets:
1. Tecnifibre TFight 315 Ltd
2. Head tgk 263.3
3. PT57A
4. PT630

I like my pro stock racquets a lot and I think my racquet quest stopped! Until I read OP's paragraph:

"And don;t tell me here that as long as you are happy with what you have stick with it. I am against this principle by nature. There may be sth better out there."

After reading that + knowing OP used and liked Donnay racquet a lot, I think my racquet quest may not stop with pro stock racquet.

May be something better out there waiting for me to try? I have not tried foam filled racquet yet!


OP wants to try pro stock racquet, I want to try foam filled racquet such as Donnay or Angell racquet. I am in opposite position with OP's position!

I wish OP and I can exchange racquet for a few days to try the racquet that we want to try without buying it!

My head pro stock tgk 263.3 is exactly what OP wanted. 16x19, Flex <= 60 RA may be 56 RA. Strung weight 326 g with silicone in handle, no lead under grommet when I bought. After I customized, strung weight 338 g with silicone in handle + 14 g lead, 8.75 HL, beam 21 mm, supper comfort!

Thanks Rajesh. Wish we could exchange rackets, albeit seems a bit difficult due to different geographies!

If you are in Europe you may be bale to find the Donnays for DEMO cause the way they work here is that they come to an agreement with a tennis shop to act as their local distributors. Hence how I can get demo rackets in Greece.
 
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