Pro Stock rackets

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Pro Stocks are typically. Made from lighter hairpins that make more configurations possible. They can also be made with custom layups, drill patterns and the hairpins come up to 29 inches so that you can build extra length frames.

There are also old model racquets that can be lumped under the pro Stocks too.
 

Sparkyovcov

Semi-Pro
Ok, so now i have discovered these pro stock rackets the mission is to buy one, ideally just blacked out. So where do the come from? Can they be purchased?
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Look up Strings Forum in a search engine.

They aren't magic and most people would do more for their game by improving fitness and technique. Pro Stocks are not hard to purchase but it's something that you can get hooked on and greatly lighten your wallet.
 

AMGF

Hall of Fame
ProStock also has usually softer flex than retail versions and are foam filled.

You can also look up Angell. They make custom specs racquets that are closer to ProStock than retail frames. A former ATP pro that has a Tennis academy at my local club played with my Angell and told me it felt a lot like the prostock he had back in the days.

Prostocktennis as mentionned before have prostock for sale. They are quite expensive but they are the real deal. The problem is if you happen to like one frame you buy, buying a matching second or third frame is gonna be hard (and expensive). So be careful what you wish for... :)
 

Sparkyovcov

Semi-Pro
I string rackets anyway but it could be a good fun challenge to get one set up the way I like.

Assuming I can find one at a retail price.....do these come direct from Wilson via the players?
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
Since you are in the UK, the Tecnifibre 315 LTD 16 main is on sale at TWE really cheap )there is also an 18 main. It is a prostock, that is available retail. You will have to bump the weight up (they are made to be customized, get some lead tape if you do get one. They feel really sweet, there is a thread on them if you are interested. Their code on the hairpin is PT965A or PT965B depending on string pattern.) Read the thread on them if you are going to get one. Grab a nice drink and some popcorn, it is a huge thread.
 

sundaypunch

Hall of Fame
I string rackets anyway but it could be a good fun challenge to get one set up the way I like.

Assuming I can find one at a retail price.....do these come direct from Wilson via the players?
Players get them from Wilson and then sometimes sell them. They are typically (not always) set up for the pro player and already have silicone in the handle and lead under the grommets. This means that they often have a higher swingweight than most people can handle. It's a problem because with many of them like the H22 and H19, you cannot buy replacement grommets. This is not good if you want to remove some of the lead or eventually wear out your grommets.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
I have a racket that was used by Mardy Fish during his 2012 US Open. It is 27.5" BLX2 Six One 95. The balance is almost like the Original Pro Staff Midsize being extreme headlight. The weight is very close to the RF 97 range.
I am not sure if it is the pro stock or just modified to his likings, but it feels superb and hits real heavy balls. Not sure if the pros all use the pro stock or modified retail frames. Kind of wonder how pros choose their frames.
The frame does feel like how I wanted the RF 97 to be, which was having even more headlight balance.
 

Sparkyovcov

Semi-Pro
Since you are in the UK, the Tecnifibre 315 LTD 16 main is on sale at TWE really cheap )there is also an 18 main. It is a prostock, that is available retail. You will have to bump the weight up (they are made to be customized, get some lead tape if you do get one. They feel really sweet, there is a thread on them if you are interested. Their code on the hairpin is PT965A or PT965B depending on string pattern.) Read the thread on them if you are going to get one. Grab a nice drink and some popcorn, it is a huge thread.
What is the title of this thread/movie?
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/t-fight-315.450863/

It' a thread on talk tennis. It takes a couple pages to get going, but it is filled with tons of information on the frame.

Also, the Angell racquets (based in the UK) are awesome as well. They are a light hairpin, that Paul Angell (Racketdesign on Talk Tennis) customizes to your specs. There is tons of information on them as well. They are IMO a prostock, but I don't know if any pros are using them. They are ridiculously high quality racquets, that you can tell are special the second you pick them up and feel the paint. Check out his website:
http://www.angelltennis.com/
 
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Lucas2015

Professional
I used a pro stock tgk 260.1 (head youtek radical).
It was extremely headlight. I had to try with lead in different positions...


But as a recreational player, I didnt find any "wow" factor. It felt flexible and very low powered, and finally sold it.

I play much better with a regular (jun)k 6.1 95 avaliable for the average Joe !
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
I totally agree, there are no magic racquets, and the 315 is low powered and flexy. You have to have the power and stroke to make it work for you (my Textremes are significantly easier to play with and I have the same amount of fun with them)
 

TinTin 1

Professional
I totally agree, there are no magic racquets, and the 315 is low powered and flexy. You have to have the power and stroke to make it work for you (my Textremes are significantly easier to play with and I have the same amount of fun with them)
I agree, I finally sold off my Bosworth custom frames that were set up for me in the late 1990's to a younger player who loved the playability. They were just a bit demanding the older I got :)
I do have some custom 27.5 104 sq inch frames that I will always keep as they are still very playable.
 

PT630Wannabe

Professional
For the past week I've been playing with a PT57E Flexpoint paintjob that a friend gave me. It took me a while to get used to, but man it hits a heavy ball. I have no idea if it's the flex of the frame or just the way it is set up with silicon and lead, but it really is a great racquet. Is it magic? No. But it's pretty darn cool.
 

Lucas2015

Professional
Thats because the Intelligence prestige is cool (it was said here that pt57e is i prestige for customization).
Not because it is a Pro Stock.. I think.

Anyway, a brand new i prestige costs more than 250 dollars so, to the OP, your wallet will hurt the same if you buy pro stocks or "new old stocks"
 

7zero

Semi-Pro
I totally agree, there are no magic racquets, and the 315 is low powered and flexy. You have to have the power and stroke to make it work for you (my Textremes are significantly easier to play with and I have the same amount of fun with them)
I play with tour 100T and I seek its pro stock version (TX263P) to get gromet option and posibility to adjust it to get holy grail - recently I have one with standard synthetic grip and one with leather one. I like edges of leather one but racket is too much handle heavy - I like standard tour 100T more. Question is: shall I try Angell or would it be not suitable at all. I am asking you as you are rare example playing both rackets.
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
I have the Tour 16x18
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Tour_100_16x18_Racquets/descpageRCPRINCE-PT1H16.html

Is that the frame you are talking about, or are you talking about this one?
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Tour_100T_ESP_Racquets/descpageRCPRINCE-PT100T.html

The Angell feels totally different, and the Prince's have a rare feel also. My Angell has a 16x19 pattern, and is foam filled. There is a lot more feedback (all comfortable though IMO). They actually play pretty different, so it would be like getting a totally different frame. Because feel, is such a unique thing (to each person), that would be a hard recommendation to make IMO. There is someone on this board who has the Tour 16x18 prostocks and he has the grommets and ports, so he can make it into whatever he wants. So he might be able to comment on the differences between them and the retail version. He has a different code though. Check out this thread:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/prince-tour-100-users-ferrer-granollers.550240/
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
I've got a Prince TX141P 100 27" TK3P (pro stock O3 Tour, 16x18), a frame supposedly used by a number of clay court specialists in the past. It feels more solid and a tad stiffer than the retail Exo3 Tour 16x18 and Tour 16x18 that I also owned. I suspect the pro stock frame has a slightly stiffer lay-up. (I know I'm not allowed to make this a 'for sale' ad, but I'm selling this frame on the forum referred to in post #5 - will only ship to Europe though).
 

ls206

Professional
what i find strange about the 315 ltd is that its something of a pro stock, but with a weight distribution that makes it difficult to customize.
330 gr weight, 300 sw and only 6 pts headlight. its impossible to customize it to >330 sw and >6pts headlight balance without raising the overall weight to much.
Quoting this from another thread and I totally agree. The Tec hairpin is heavier a less polarised that most pro stocks.
 

Windsor

Rookie
I am fairly skeptical to the whole pro-stock thing. Why would anyone buy a raquet which was customized for someone else I really don't get it. Babolat has made it clear several times that their pros use stock racquets customized according to their preferred specs, so in this case any basic version of PD APD PC etc can be considered as a pro-stock if I understand it well. In my case I put 15 g of lead in the handle of my PDs to make them more solid and headlight like 8 to 10 pts from the original 4. Do I have a pro stock as a consequence?
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
I think there are 2 aspects to this. Firstly, some of the pro stocks (e.g. PT57A) are now not available retail, and hence access to pro stocks of those is a way to get one and see if it might work for you. On the other side of the coin, for current racquets, many of the premium brands now have racquets made from the same mold at different weight levels, meaning that you can buy a lower weight version and self customise it rather than rely in the weight adding that the manufacturers do. An example is the Pure Aero and Pour Aero tour - it's the same racquet with the Tour having weight added in the handle. Indeed some of the lower weight models may be the same but with the additional weights removed in the head too. The Ai98, Ai 98 285 is another example. As is the XT Prestige S and Pro. So it may depend on what you want to get.

What is for sure is that there is no silver bullet: if i get Pro X's racquet, i'll be getting something inherently better. Indeed, these are often the unmodified version so what you have will not be what the Pro plays with anyway.

Lastly, being the cynic that i am, i think there are some people making a lot of money picking these up and selling them on at inflated prices. But hey! That's capitalism.
 

dr325i

Legend
I am fairly skeptical to the whole pro-stock thing. Why would anyone buy a raquet which was customized for someone else I really don't get it. Babolat has made it clear several times that their pros use stock racquets customized according to their preferred specs, so in this case any basic version of PD APD PC etc can be considered as a pro-stock if I understand it well. In my case I put 15 g of lead in the handle of my PDs to make them more solid and headlight like 8 to 10 pts from the original 4. Do I have a pro stock as a consequence?
Are you a pro?
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
Are you a pro?
LOL - i did laugh at that. The implication is that you can't make a pro stock yourself unless you are a pro. The converse is also true of course. A pro stock in the hands of an amateur doesn't make him a pro...
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
I am fairly skeptical to the whole pro-stock thing. Why would anyone buy a raquet which was customized for someone else I really don't get it. Babolat has made it clear several times that their pros use stock racquets customized according to their preferred specs, so in this case any basic version of PD APD PC etc can be considered as a pro-stock if I understand it well. In my case I put 15 g of lead in the handle of my PDs to make them more solid and headlight like 8 to 10 pts from the original 4. Do I have a pro stock as a consequence?
How different Pro Stock is from retail greatly depends on the brand it is from and the player it is for.

Some Pro Stocks are far removed from retail, whereas others couldn't be any closer to retail.

Case in point:
Djokovic vs Bouchard.
 

Sparkyovcov

Semi-Pro
So I know there is a lot of talk about them, (thanks), so what's the likely hood of actually getting one, Wilson preferably
 

7zero

Semi-Pro
I've got a Prince TX141P 100 27" TK3P (pro stock O3 Tour, 16x18), a frame supposedly used by a number of clay court specialists in the past. It feels more solid and a tad stiffer than the retail Exo3 Tour 16x18 and Tour 16x18 that I also owned. I suspect the pro stock frame has a slightly stiffer lay-up. (I know I'm not allowed to make this a 'for sale' ad, but I'm selling this frame on the forum referred to in post #5 - will only ship to Europe though).
but it s is cca 310g unstrung right? same like tour 100
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
So I know there is a lot of talk about them, (thanks), so what's the likely hood of actually getting one, Wilson preferably
You can get used pro stocks on the cheap but they may be in 7/10 condition. Best time to buy is during a global recession - so maybe a year or two from now.
 

7zero

Semi-Pro
I have the Tour 16x18
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Tour_100_16x18_Racquets/descpageRCPRINCE-PT1H16.html

Is that the frame you are talking about, or are you talking about this one?
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Tour_100T_ESP_Racquets/descpageRCPRINCE-PT100T.html

The Angell feels totally different, and the Prince's have a rare feel also. My Angell has a 16x19 pattern, and is foam filled. There is a lot more feedback (all comfortable though IMO). They actually play pretty different, so it would be like getting a totally different frame. Because feel, is such a unique thing (to each person), that would be a hard recommendation to make IMO. There is someone on this board who has the Tour 16x18 prostocks and he has the grommets and ports, so he can make it into whatever he wants. So he might be able to comment on the differences between them and the retail version. He has a different code though. Check out this thread:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/prince-tour-100-users-ferrer-granollers.550240/
ahh, your signature says tour 100T but you say now you have "normal" tour 100.. my stick is this: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/PEX3TT/PEX3TTreview.html?from=recruit
 
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dr325i

Legend
LOL - i did laugh at that. The implication is that you can't make a pro stock yourself unless you are a pro. The converse is also true of course. A pro stock in the hands of an amateur doesn't make him a pro...
You did not read his post? He said he customized his own stick, therefore wondering if it is a pro stock:
1) he does not understand the difference between the pro stock racket and retail customized for a pro (very rare, but exists).
2) I was wondering if he were a pro, then we can continue exploring his idea
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
I am fairly skeptical to the whole pro-stock thing. Why would anyone buy a raquet which was customized for someone else I really don't get it. Babolat has made it clear several times that their pros use stock racquets customized according to their preferred specs, so in this case any basic version of PD APD PC etc can be considered as a pro-stock if I understand it well. In my case I put 15 g of lead in the handle of my PDs to make them more solid and headlight like 8 to 10 pts from the original 4. Do I have a pro stock as a consequence?
That's just not true. You have Aero Storm painted as Pure Aero, Pure Storm painted as Pure Strike, AeroPro Drive painted as Pure Aero. Babolat now has a whole Pro Stock program gong on.
 

Windsor

Rookie
That's just not true. You have Aero Storm painted as Pure Aero, Pure Storm painted as Pure Strike, AeroPro Drive painted as Pure Aero. Babolat now has a whole Pro Stock program gong on.
I think you are referring to players who use a diferent paint job to the stock model or early versions of racquets that are now available to the public. Personally I thought that pro stocks were racquets that are exclusively available to pros and that possibly were made with different, more expensive materials and technology from that available to the public......
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I think you are referring to players who use a diferent paint job to the stock model or early versions of racquets that are now available to the public. Personally I thought that pro stocks were racquets that are exclusively available to pros and that possibly were made with different, more expensive materials and technology from that available to the public......
Vsb's post is correct, even with your definition. You can't buy those frames from Babolat now. Is painted on Cirtex a feature?
 

Alan_Hill

Rookie
ahh, your signature says tour 100T but you say now you have "normal" tour 100.. my stick is this: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/PEX3TT/PEX3TTreview.html?from=recruit
I have Tour Team 100 ProStock, Code TX263P, XL.
I think it has the same mold, PJ as the retail version.
Specs: 295 unstrung (with synthetic grip), 27.5, RA60, 16x18 (TX264P is 18x20 but very rare). Balance 31.5 (consider XL).
I found this very promising platform for customizing. Customize the feel is easy, these EXO frames come with both port grommet and string hole grommet.
I also have few brand new TX250P which is the EXO3 Tour 100 16x18 version. XL version, around 315g unstrung but I prefer TX263P.
 
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