Pro Supex initial hit
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PROTENNIS63
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Oh, so that is a multi? Nice color. Similar to any strings that you know of?
jcstennis
Hall of Fame
Ok, hit with BB11's yesterday.
Raq1: strung w/ BG 1.25 m's @ 55lbs/ BA 1.22 x's @ 57lbs -[the PT63 Combo] hit very well. next time i use this set-up i will not string the BA as tight, maybe the same as the BG... it was a touch stiff. now that i am playing with a closed pattern i have to watch my tensions! the BG sounds funny when rubbing the BA, almost like a duck quacking...not really but a different pop sound all together! this set up hits a heavy ball with ummm, ahhh, oh..spin! one thing i found on my serves is that my kicker was sliding more and lower, which is fine, more like a slice/spit-ball. even on shots that were short, they still were heavy... everything stayed in... and to my surprise, even though the string was crisp, the bed was jumping! i liked that feeling... it begs you to respond and go for more!
Raq2: strung w/ CF 1.25 m's @ 55lbs / X1 BiPhase 1.24 x's @ 59lbs - what a cool set-up. i like x1, not love it... it loses tenx too fast for me (as a full job).. but felt nice in this combo. the tenx for me was just right on this stick (which is 7 gs lighter than raq1). this set-up has nice pop... and i mean pop! it's loud! the ball pocketing is "Goldie-Locks"... not too much, not too little, just right
Serving was a blast, just enough spin and power, but nice control! and i like control. this set-up is very comfortable (for me)... does not feel mushy, springy or dull... again "Goldie-Locks" i hope the tenx holds up in this set-up... i know Raq1's set-up will 
but the feeling at this moment on this set-up is a winner.
Raq1: strung w/ BG 1.25 m's @ 55lbs/ BA 1.22 x's @ 57lbs -[the PT63 Combo] hit very well. next time i use this set-up i will not string the BA as tight, maybe the same as the BG... it was a touch stiff. now that i am playing with a closed pattern i have to watch my tensions! the BG sounds funny when rubbing the BA, almost like a duck quacking...not really but a different pop sound all together! this set up hits a heavy ball with ummm, ahhh, oh..spin! one thing i found on my serves is that my kicker was sliding more and lower, which is fine, more like a slice/spit-ball. even on shots that were short, they still were heavy... everything stayed in... and to my surprise, even though the string was crisp, the bed was jumping! i liked that feeling... it begs you to respond and go for more!
Raq2: strung w/ CF 1.25 m's @ 55lbs / X1 BiPhase 1.24 x's @ 59lbs - what a cool set-up. i like x1, not love it... it loses tenx too fast for me (as a full job).. but felt nice in this combo. the tenx for me was just right on this stick (which is 7 gs lighter than raq1). this set-up has nice pop... and i mean pop! it's loud! the ball pocketing is "Goldie-Locks"... not too much, not too little, just right
Serving was a blast, just enough spin and power, but nice control! and i like control. this set-up is very comfortable (for me)... does not feel mushy, springy or dull... again "Goldie-Locks" i hope the tenx holds up in this set-up... i know Raq1's set-up will but the feeling at this moment on this set-up is a winner.
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jonolau
Legend
It's supposed to be made in the exact same factory as Isospeed ...
PED
Legend
J: sounds like you like setup #2 better. You might consider trying BG/X1 in a combo: that might be interesting as well but the BG may cut quickly into the X1. Is the BB pretty flexy? If so, I could see how the CF would be nice in that stick. I always found it too stiff in my apdc's. Nice writeup.
jcstennis
Hall of Fame
Yes, the BB11 is 'a little flexy'
i will probably stick with the BG/BA and drop the BA tenx a touch, i like everything about BA... so i want it in there. plus, i will be gripping with leather this week and will change things... maybe when the Speed Ace is available, i will try that w/ the BG.
I played a good bit with the 1.25 BG/Titan--it now has about 12hrs on it and the gears are all but gone. I really like the combo, but can't wait to try out the 1.28 BG again--that is really, really nice and I've decided to just go 52/54 and cross it with the Forten. The temps are getting a hair warmer and the extra bite/control will be nice.
ALSO, plan to string my 3rd stick with full BA 1.17 52/50 when it comes in. Don;t know what I am going to do with the 1.19 BG--may try to trade or sell it--just can't seem to find a spot for it:-?
Just came back from my 1st hit with BG 1.28 now crossed with Forten Sweet at 52/54 and it was SWEET!!!!!! All I can say is BG 1.28mm IS THE WAY TO GO IF YOU WANT NASTY ACTION! Sorry to yell at ya'll, but it is the truth. It was 50* tonight and I had plenty of pace and my serve was kickin nice--especially on the clay.
For me it is going to be the 1.28mm from here on out!!!
For me it is going to be the 1.28mm from here on out!!!
jcstennis
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robkat
Semi-Pro
After reading your comments, My BG 1.28 sets should be here any day. I can't wait to string it up(w/Titan 1.25) and hit.
PED
Legend
^^^I'm glad to see that I'm not crazy. There really is a fairly significant difference in action between the BG 1.25 and the 1.28. I assumed it would not be that different but those 3 mm really help out. I picked up my 2 aeros with alu/titan 50/53 last night and am going to try them out today. We'll see if it was the strings or the stick that I liked so much the other day. I was doing a little math that I will post later on the economics of buying reels vs packs.
jcstennis
Hall of Fame
ATW, or ATW hybrids... even box patterns work well w/ this stick.
check out YULitle's video sticky, or his y*ut*be vids... he does nice work...
Jono should know, or check with Diredesire... he does a nice ATw pattern which i have used for one piece stringings.
jonolau
Legend
Hi Pusher,
You have to either string it ATW or as a 2 piece. Many have found that diredesire's modified ATW is quite comprehensive. You can check it out in the following link:
http://students.washington.edu/jdeng/ATW/index.html
Most of the time I just string it as a 2 piece.
nickb
Banned
jonolau
Legend
Thanks, Nick, this is a brilliant video.
Good job by diredesire.
It appears I may have to alter the technique somewhat because I use flying clamps (at the "first tricky part"). And I have never used or owned a starting clamp so I may have to tension more string than would be ideal at that "first tricky part". I guess I could buy a starter or use fixed clamp pliars to solve both of those problems. I'll work it out.
Thanks
jonolau
Legend
No worries. But before you go on to buy a starting clamp, have a look at the video Nick posted.
PED
Legend
I've been checking into the economics of buying reels vs packs and was fairly surprised at just how much savings can be had.
In a nutshell, on the cheaper string such as titan syn gut, the prices savings are not so great. You only save 8% per foot by going the reel route. Where you really take a big jump in savings is buying a reel on the following: you save 36% a foot with BG, 39% per foot with a reel of BA and 41% when buying the mini reel of cyberpower. Unfortunately, you don't save much at all when buying alu rough or power. The costs only drop 5% and the cash outlay is $249! As I have been reconsidering alu recently, the premium cost per foot for alu is astonishing: 34.3 cents per foot vs 15 a foot for BG, 12 a foot for BA and finally 12 a foot for CP. Take it for what is worth.
In a nutshell, on the cheaper string such as titan syn gut, the prices savings are not so great. You only save 8% per foot by going the reel route. Where you really take a big jump in savings is buying a reel on the following: you save 36% a foot with BG, 39% per foot with a reel of BA and 41% when buying the mini reel of cyberpower. Unfortunately, you don't save much at all when buying alu rough or power. The costs only drop 5% and the cash outlay is $249! As I have been reconsidering alu recently, the premium cost per foot for alu is astonishing: 34.3 cents per foot vs 15 a foot for BG, 12 a foot for BA and finally 12 a foot for CP. Take it for what is worth.
PROTENNIS63
Hall of Fame
^^^ You are so smart, lol. Just don't overcharge them!
PED:
Calculating the savings of Big Ace and Premier Ace are easy. The reels are just 10 times the cost of sets. So buying 10 sets of Big Ace for example is like buying a reel of Big Ace. A reel can get you around 17-19 sets of string depending on the stringer and the racquet.
PED:
Calculating the savings of Big Ace and Premier Ace are easy. The reels are just 10 times the cost of sets. So buying 10 sets of Big Ace for example is like buying a reel of Big Ace. A reel can get you around 17-19 sets of string depending on the stringer and the racquet.
I figure I could get $15+
or so for them--ha ha. There are bunch of suckers down here in South Cacalacky
PED
Legend
I did some back to back comps today with various setups: aerostorm with alu rough/titan at 50/53, apdc with the same setup and pdr with bg 1.25/titan at 52/55.
All 3 sticks played great but quite differently. Although all 3 mains are polys, the alu seems to respond the most to increased racquet head speed. At 50, it feels quite forgiving but it was noticeably softer in the aerostorm. I was able to get easier action on the ball with the apdc than the aerostorm but I was able to hit flatter and harder with the aerostorm.
The difference with BG was quite amazing, I like the BG setup but it was quite hard to switch back and forth. In the end, I have decided that I like BG for my APDC but prefer BA in the PDR. It has that stiffness of 71 and responds better to the softer nature of BA. I have decided after popping a string tonight (titan cross) to go with BA and spiral flex crosses. The combo of the soft BA mains and the crisper (relatively) spiral flex crosses should prove interesting.
The good news for me is that alu rough is NOT a clear cut answer for my stringing quest. For me, it performs better in the thin beam Bab racquets (PST and aerostorm) as opposed to the thicker beam apdc and pdr. That's not gospel but it's what worked for me. In particular, the aerostorm was awesome of return of serve, the weigh of the stick (12.2) and the alu mains were deadly, you could really rip it.
All 3 sticks played great but quite differently. Although all 3 mains are polys, the alu seems to respond the most to increased racquet head speed. At 50, it feels quite forgiving but it was noticeably softer in the aerostorm. I was able to get easier action on the ball with the apdc than the aerostorm but I was able to hit flatter and harder with the aerostorm.
The difference with BG was quite amazing, I like the BG setup but it was quite hard to switch back and forth. In the end, I have decided that I like BG for my APDC but prefer BA in the PDR. It has that stiffness of 71 and responds better to the softer nature of BA. I have decided after popping a string tonight (titan cross) to go with BA and spiral flex crosses. The combo of the soft BA mains and the crisper (relatively) spiral flex crosses should prove interesting.
The good news for me is that alu rough is NOT a clear cut answer for my stringing quest. For me, it performs better in the thin beam Bab racquets (PST and aerostorm) as opposed to the thicker beam apdc and pdr. That's not gospel but it's what worked for me. In particular, the aerostorm was awesome of return of serve, the weigh of the stick (12.2) and the alu mains were deadly, you could really rip it.
^^^That sounds like a good plan on sticks. Have the BG 1.28 in your APDC as your spin machine for when you need the extra control, clay court or just want some Nadalish spin for kicks and have your PRR w/ softer BA to pound serves and groundies when you just want to rip it!! What about the PST?? Has your son taken it over?
I'm going with similar logic and am planning on my 3rd stick with all BA 1.17 to have a full poly (syn gut feel) for something diff from the BG setups.
I'm going with similar logic and am planning on my 3rd stick with all BA 1.17 to have a full poly (syn gut feel) for something diff from the BG setups.
JCS--how is your BG/BA combo treating you?? Remind me, what gauges/tensions are you using?
jcstennis
Hall of Fame
very nice! BG m's 1.25 55lbs / BA x's 1.22 57lbs... next time i will drop the BA to the same tenx as the BG, right now it's a little stiff... which after some play will feel a little better, but i like the combo.
i have been reading about the better spin from the thicker 1.28 BG... i may try that next... plus, i like 1.25 BA better than the 1.22... soooo, i may try the BG 1.28/ BA 1.25 hybrid next!
very nice! BG m's 1.25 55lbs / BA x's 1.22 57lbs... next time i will drop the BA to the same tenx as the BG, right now it's a little stiff... which after some play will feel a little better, but i like the combo.
i have been reading about the better spin from the thicker 1.28 BG... i may try that next... plus, i like 1.25 BA better than the 1.22... soooo, i may try the BG 1.28/ BA 1.25 hybrid next!
1.28 BG/1.25 BA at maybe slightly lower overall tensions would be a spinning monster!!! The 1.28 has a little less pop than the 1.25, so you may want to compensate by going to 54#--just a thought
PED
Legend
J, I really prefer BA in the PDR. Maybe if I tried the 1.28 BG it would work but BA works better for me at least in the PDR. It's that extra bit softer. It's more an issue of feel then it is the effect on the ball. I just have more control in my mind when using BA with the PDR. When using BA in the PDR, I LOVED that stick, while with BG, I like it ok if that makes any sense.
Kev, my son has taken over the PST, that stick is SWEET with the lux in it. Very soft overall(like the garnet diablo
and the power from 50 alu is great and so is the touch, but he's got it on lockdown. It's very effective for him to use as they have started middle school tennis and it's all hard court and the PST is $$ on hard, angled flat shots.
jcstennis
Hall of Fame
1.28 BG/1.25 BA at maybe slightly lower overall tensions would be a spinning monster!!! The 1.28 has a little less pop than the 1.25, so you may want to compensate by going to 54#--just a thought
yeah, mid tenx w/ my stick is 55#... so 54 should be cool, for both! (Now i gotta get those strings
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jcstennis
Hall of Fame
J, I really prefer BA in the PDR. Maybe if I tried the 1.28 BG it would work but BA works better for me at least in the PDR. It's that extra bit softer. It's more an issue of feel then it is the effect on the ball. I just have more control in my mind when using BA with the PDR. When using BA in the PDR, I LOVED that stick, while with BG, I like it ok if that makes any sense.
Kev, my son has taken over the PST, that stick is SWEET with the lux in it. Very soft overall(like the garnet diablo
one guy i play with i will see socially on Friday, he plays a APDC... he has the Champions set up (Lux/NXT) in there now... i going to push BG and see if he will try it... he is a push/spin player, serves way over on the single's line and covers the court like nobody's business... i think he would love the string in his racquet! and me too!
the PDR is such fun racquet, i would think BG (hybrid'd) would just add to the fun
BA does make more sense with the PDR... Good to hear that your son is enjoying the PST... and yes, it's a hard court monster! How fast does he go through the Lux... or how long does a set up last him... through practice, matches, etc?
PED
Legend
J: get your friend to try the 1.28 bg, he will love it in the apdc. You can just rip forehands from almost anywhere on the court. I'll have to see how long the lux/titan will last my son. We just started using the alu again on saturday. He's been having some wrist pain lately but I think that's due to the fact that he's been pronating his wrist too much on his forehand. He's only 14 so not much of stringbreaker yet and I hope the trend continues. He's working on flattening out his shots for hard court and it's certainly working. When we played last week he was hitting some wicked angles.
robkat
Semi-Pro
I strung up one of my frames with BG 1.28/Titan 1.25 @ 50/54. I found a noticeable difference between the BG 1.25 and 1.28. I like it very much. As you guys have posted previously,there is much more ball action and bite with the 1.28. I think I'm going to stick with the 1.28. I noticed my ground strokes were hitting the court with much more action with a higher topspin bounce and they really took off and gained momentum after the bounce. Next up for me is trying out Pro Supex Maxim Touch with BG.
jonolau
Legend
Thanks for the feedback.
Whoa, BG with Maxim Touch ... I'd be a bit careful with durability. The BG might chew up your MT.
PED
Legend
Rob, I'm glad it worked for you. I found the 1.28 to also be more "fun". The action on the ball is so nice; I'm looking forward to using it on the dirt this summer. I was able to use higher tensions on the 1.28 as well and ran mine at 54/56 in my apdc. I would imagine it would be really nice at 50.
PED
Legend
Sensei, the BA 1.17/SF is an interesting setup. 1st off I went 54/53 on the tension and I probably should have run it at 54/56 or even 55/56. The spiral flex has alot more pop than the titan, but that wasn't a bad thing, it did take me awhile to get used to it. I went to a little more extreme grip and really concentrated more on brushing up. Depth was no problem, in fact, I had a problem with them going long. Part of the issue too might have been the BA 1.17 as it's softer and thinner and also more powerful than the BG I've been using. The spiral has a much crisper feel than the titan and I'll likely consider trying it some more. Once I got my technique adjusted I really liked the setup. I could really unload on down the line forehands and flat crosscourt bh's were really solid. Control was really pinpoint-more so than the titan. Shots on the run were easy to dial in. I recommend this setup but with a higher tension.
One point I'll add is that it's an adjustment to switch back after using BG mains for the past month and a half. The amount of easy action you get from BG is excellent and it just reminded me how much more you can hit through the ball with BG and get both heavy spin and a really hard hit ball: it's a nice combo.
I also hit alot today with my aerostorm. It has alu rough at 50 and titan at 53. It was warmer today-around 61- and balls really seemed to be flying much more than early in the week. This is an excellent combo but I will do it at 52/54 next time. The aerostorm is fairly low powered but this combo gives it alot of pop. You can really hammer the ball as it weighs around 12.2, but you can also get alot of action as well-depending on how you want to play it. The aluR is really nice in this stick. The feeling when you really connect with the alu is just awesome. I know everyone already knows that alu is good stuff, but I just couldn't help myself. I will add though that I much prefer BG in my apdc instead of aluR.
One point I'll add is that it's an adjustment to switch back after using BG mains for the past month and a half. The amount of easy action you get from BG is excellent and it just reminded me how much more you can hit through the ball with BG and get both heavy spin and a really hard hit ball: it's a nice combo.
I also hit alot today with my aerostorm. It has alu rough at 50 and titan at 53. It was warmer today-around 61- and balls really seemed to be flying much more than early in the week. This is an excellent combo but I will do it at 52/54 next time. The aerostorm is fairly low powered but this combo gives it alot of pop. You can really hammer the ball as it weighs around 12.2, but you can also get alot of action as well-depending on how you want to play it. The aluR is really nice in this stick. The feeling when you really connect with the alu is just awesome. I know everyone already knows that alu is good stuff, but I just couldn't help myself. I will add though that I much prefer BG in my apdc instead of aluR.
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robkat
Semi-Pro
Thanks for the heads up on the durability of the MT with BG. I'll see how it goes
Nice writeup--I finally have my singles league makeup match today(rained out last Thurs). I need to go back and read Jono's inspiration post to get centered and pumped up--just can't remember which damn page it was one since there are now 68 PAGES ON PRO SUPEX INITIAL HIT!!! What a thread!!!!:twisted:
BTW--can anyone tell me about Big Ace--who makes that string and where can I buy it?? (totally kidding!
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