robkat
Semi-Pro
This is a great thread. One of the best and most informative if you're interested in Pro Supex strings and setups.
Pro Supex initial hit
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PED
Legend
I had another hit today with my BA 1.17/Spiral Flex setup. I'm getting more used to the playing characteristics of the SF. I had problems with the ball flying when playing saturday but had no issues today at all with it. The stringbed has lots of energy and it's very good at taking the ball early. I thought I was set for life with titan syn gut crosses but this spiral flex has made me rethink that.
I think I would change the cross depending what stick I was using. The titan would still be nice with BG mains in the APDC, but the spiral flex is $$ with the BA 1.17 in my PDR. Spin, BTW is really nice with this string. I have not played with the micro, but I really like the 1.17 and plan on using it for my BA mains as soon as I burn through my stock of 1.22 BA. One other point regarding the SF is that the US distributor does not seem to sell the black SF, they have an ugly looking goldish colour but the black SF is available on the BAY and it looks wicked with red ba mains.
Jono: how does the 1.17 BA compare with the micro?
I think I would change the cross depending what stick I was using. The titan would still be nice with BG mains in the APDC, but the spiral flex is $$ with the BA 1.17 in my PDR. Spin, BTW is really nice with this string. I have not played with the micro, but I really like the 1.17 and plan on using it for my BA mains as soon as I burn through my stock of 1.22 BA. One other point regarding the SF is that the US distributor does not seem to sell the black SF, they have an ugly looking goldish colour but the black SF is available on the BAY and it looks wicked with red ba mains.
Jono: how does the 1.17 BA compare with the micro?
Ljubicic for number1
Hall of Fame
Hey Ped the depot will have black spiral flex mid march.
PED
Legend
Thanks Ljub, I had no idea they were going to stock it.
Sensei, I much prefer the BA 1.17/SF setup to full Ba 1.17. The 1.17 is a soft string and is easy to use as a full poly, but when using the SF cross, I gained a little extra pop on groundstrokes, lost little to no spin and control was slightly better in my view. Overall, the feeling with the SF cross was not that different but if you get caught out of position or do make good contact on the ball the SF cross will help you out. I felt I had to constantly swing really fast (which is the idea anyway) to take full advantage of full BA 1.17 and did not feel that as much with BA/SF. The control with SF is quite impressive. I was able to take high bouncing heavy topspin shots and really drive them back with very accurate direction.
Sensei, I much prefer the BA 1.17/SF setup to full Ba 1.17. The 1.17 is a soft string and is easy to use as a full poly, but when using the SF cross, I gained a little extra pop on groundstrokes, lost little to no spin and control was slightly better in my view. Overall, the feeling with the SF cross was not that different but if you get caught out of position or do make good contact on the ball the SF cross will help you out. I felt I had to constantly swing really fast (which is the idea anyway) to take full advantage of full BA 1.17 and did not feel that as much with BA/SF. The control with SF is quite impressive. I was able to take high bouncing heavy topspin shots and really drive them back with very accurate direction.
PED
Legend
I was a bit afraid of how stiff the SF might be in relation to the titan so I went lower to compensate for that and also I wanted to go lower on the crosses in general. In the end, the SF is very comfy and I would classify it as spring but not stiff.
I would likely keep it at 54/53 or maybe go to 54 or 55 crosses as it gets warmer here. The SF is a 1.30 string, and I have found that I much prefer 1.30 Syngut crosses as opposed to 1.25. I don't know why but that just works better for me
I would likely keep it at 54/53 or maybe go to 54 or 55 crosses as it gets warmer here. The SF is a 1.30 string, and I have found that I much prefer 1.30 Syngut crosses as opposed to 1.25. I don't know why but that just works better for me
jonolau
Legend
Prior to using SF, I was using PSGD. IMO and from customers' experiences, the durability and tension maintenance of SF is much better than PSGD.
I don't think SF can be compared against high end multis. The feel is different, so would the price and obviously playability!
PED
Legend
I'm not much of a high end multi kind of guy so I can't compare the SF to the first 2 but I found PSGD to be somewhat similar to the Spiral. The words that come to mind are high energy for the spiral and muted for the titan.
The power level to me seems to be a good bit higher in the spiral vs the titan. The control is more pinpoint as well in the spiral. Overall, a nice surprise as I was not expecting much. If I remember correctly there are some more play comments on spiral in the early early pages of this thread but good luck trying to find them
They play very differently but equally well depending on what characteristics you want. I have not played with psgd in around 18 months so my memory is a little foggy, but I used it in an 03 tour and liked it alot. In fact, it ended up being the best setup I ever played with in that stick.
The power level to me seems to be a good bit higher in the spiral vs the titan. The control is more pinpoint as well in the spiral. Overall, a nice surprise as I was not expecting much. If I remember correctly there are some more play comments on spiral in the early early pages of this thread but good luck trying to find them
They play very differently but equally well depending on what characteristics you want. I have not played with psgd in around 18 months so my memory is a little foggy, but I used it in an 03 tour and liked it alot. In fact, it ended up being the best setup I ever played with in that stick.
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I'm not much of a high end multi kind of guy so I can't compare the SF to the first 2 but I found PSGD to be somewhat similar to the Spiral. The words that come to mind are high energy for the spiral and muted for the titan.
The power level to me seems to be a good bit higher in the spiral vs the titan. The control is more pinpoint as well in the spiral. Overall, a nice surprise as I was not expecting much. If I remember correctly there are some more play comments on spiral in the early early pages of this thread but good luck trying to find them
PED--I think you just start on pg 1 of this thread and go from there--report back on Friday once you have gone though all 69 PAGES!!:razz:
Babb
Professional
I'm getting my racquet strung ASAP with Big Ace/Titan, both 17. It was kind of a hasty decision, as a I needed to order that very night, but I thought it sounded like what I want. That is, more spin and more durability as compared to BA 16/X1 17 (you might be thinking, "if you want durability, why'd you go thinner on the mains?" It's because I get great durability in the mains, I just fray my crosses out after two weeks).
Did I make the right choice? Oh, and PED commented that the Titan is not very powerful. Should I string my crosses a little looser than I did with X1?
Did I make the right choice? Oh, and PED commented that the Titan is not very powerful. Should I string my crosses a little looser than I did with X1?
jonolau
Legend
If your crosses wear out fast, use Sprial Flex instead of Synthetic Titan in the crosses.
I've personally found that ST and SF are quite soft strings and soften up within 5 mins of hitting, making the stringbed quite springy. These were strung as hybirds of BG 1.25/SF 1.30 and BA 1.22/SF 1.30. Do also bear in mind that the comparison was also made against a full poly setup of BA 1.22, BA 1.17 and BG 1.25.
PED
Legend
I had a hit today with BA 1.17/SF. The temps really made a difference today: it was 58 today vs 43 on tuesday. The BA 1.17 worked much better today. I was able to get a lot more "grip" on the ball the topspin was much easier to come by. My opponent started serving and volleying me during the later part of our set and so I got ALOT of work on passing shots today. It was very easy to get the topspin needed with the BA 1.17 to hit it deep with plenty of placement. Serves were excellent as well. The spiral flex seems to really shine on put away balls and gives some nice pop on forehands down the line. The weather here is supposed to be good all weekend so it will be nice to enjoy spring. I hope everyone gets in some good hitting this weekend.
One final thought, I still can't get the alurough/titan to work for me in my apdc. It is absolute $$ in the aerostorm but I really dont' like the feel in the apdc.
One final thought, I still can't get the alurough/titan to work for me in my apdc. It is absolute $$ in the aerostorm but I really dont' like the feel in the apdc.
Lloyd Barcenilla
Professional
PED
Legend
Lloyd: I'm going back to blue gear 1.28/titan next in the apdc. I'm going to play with the aluR mains for now. Have you tried the 1.17 BA lloyd, I would think it would be nice in the apdc. Tomorrow is the big day. Gunners need to roll over Villa to get some points! Tuesday against AC Milan should be good as well but it will be tough in Milan. I wish they were showing the manu Champs league game instead of boring Chelsea.
Lloyd Barcenilla
Professional
nickb
Banned
Dont worry...PSGD is a great all around string...its one of the top selling strings on the planet and has been for a long time.
Nick
Babb
Professional
Agreed... it's just not for me. Maybe in a thinner gauge I'd like it, but I only get a few days out of the 16. But that's why I made the switch to polyester.
nickb
Banned
Yeah but I dont know how you find it plasticky and not comfortable...poly feels more like that.
Nick
DashaandSafin
Hall of Fame
Just ordered two sets of Blue Gear 16 and two sets of Titan 17. Cant wait to hybrid it. Anyone have this setup?
Yes-read this thread and others with BG--great setup. The Titan really softens up the BG and adds some extra pop as well.
jonolau
Legend
Yup, I had this combo in my Aerogel 200. I thought the AG200 was a little underpowered and had BG 1.25 in the mains and Titan 1.30 in the crosses.
This gave the stringbed lots of nice pop and power, but it was a little too powerful for my liking and had trouble with lots of groundstrokes going long. I switched to Spiral Flex and found much better depth control as SF is slghtly stiffer. At the same time, durability with SF is also much better as BG can chew up soft crosses quite quicky.
Ljubicic for number1
Hall of Fame
Strung my RDX 500mid with blue gear 1.25mm mains and titan 1.25mm crosses today, felt really nice, done everything well, also strung my n6.1 95 with blue gear/sensation felt good too but a bit spongy, this may be the frame more than strings though.
PED
Legend
Ljub, glad you liked the titan. For some reason, I prefer the 1.30 instead of the 1.25 in my crosses, I don't know why.
Jono: I had more of an issue with balls going long with SF than with titan as the SF seems to have more pop, but you're right, that depth control is easy to fix b/c the SF easily enables you to crank on a little more topspin to compensate.
Jono: I had more of an issue with balls going long with SF than with titan as the SF seems to have more pop, but you're right, that depth control is easy to fix b/c the SF easily enables you to crank on a little more topspin to compensate.
Fedace
Banned
Jonalou and the gang. what is titan like compared to top flight multis like X-1 biphase or Wilson K-gut pro or Yonex tour 850 ?? Yonex string seem to play the softest of these 3 and X-1 biphase the stiffest. Control wise, X-1 and Yonex seem to be about the same. I wonder if Titan beats these strings??
jonolau
Legend
Hi Fedace. Titan is a synthetic gut, so it cannot be compared to multis, and it is quite unlikely it would beat multis in terms of feel and feedback.
You'd be better off comparing Pro Supex's Maxim Touch multi and their soon-to-be-released SPEED ACE multi.
I am not sure of BA, but I have strung BG at 50 and it's plays nice at the lower tensions.
Lloyd Barcenilla
Professional
PED:
I think i may try a full multi, or syn gut on my aero pro cortex.
I remember trying full xcel it came strung with when i first got it, and i actually liked it alot.
I think i may try a full multi, or syn gut on my aero pro cortex.
I remember trying full xcel it came strung with when i first got it, and i actually liked it alot.
PED
Legend
Lloyd, what is the world coming to? Full multi, you'll probably be supporting chelsea next!
Seriously, the full multi should work well, my son used to run full head FXP in his aerostorm but I always found it too soft for me. Full multi does give good power and feel. What are you going to use NRG again. I remember JCS saying full NRG worked well in his old PDR. I did run Titan mains and BA crosses but the mains did not give me enough spin. I would be more likely myself to run full multi rather than syn gut as the SG would be so "springy".
Seriously, the full multi should work well, my son used to run full head FXP in his aerostorm but I always found it too soft for me. Full multi does give good power and feel. What are you going to use NRG again. I remember JCS saying full NRG worked well in his old PDR. I did run Titan mains and BA crosses but the mains did not give me enough spin. I would be more likely myself to run full multi rather than syn gut as the SG would be so "springy".
Lloyd Barcenilla
Professional
How much more power and less spin would a full multi set up give me compared to big ace mains and nrg crosses.
jcstennis
Hall of Fame
NRG fj is not going to give you loads of power... it will give you nice control, somewhat of a soft feel, and good spin. Feel is the deal with NRG2... (if you can re-string NRG2 often, it's hard to beat!!!!)
i think BA has a nice amount of "power" for a co-poly, with NRG in the x's you will have a nice bed for good feel and get the spin from the BA.... sounds like a winner...
i'm using CF m's and X1 x's in one of my sticks and i am loving it!!! my other stick had BG m's and BA x's (PT63 Combo) and that is a sick set up, it's solid, spinny and feels nice for poly users....
I had my first hit with my BG setup yesterday. I like it. Even though the power level seemed very comparable to BA, I noticed quite a few more balls that appeared would be long start dropping in. I have Titan crosses now, so I'm going to restring my other tonight w\ Maxim Touch for an A/B and then pick one.
(I love the color combination of the BG and Titan)
(I love the color combination of the BG and Titan)
PED
Legend
I probably didn't say that right. It's more my preference I guess. For whatever reason, I seem to have a problem with a full sg stringbed.
ChrisNC, I also like that setup you have in your other stick too: the BA micro and titan. I'm using the 1.17 BA which is basically the same with spiral flex and really like it. I don't get as much spin as with BG but the feel is good.
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slice-o-maniac
New User
since i don't want to go through so many pages.....
is there multi strings from pro supex?
if so could you name some for me?
is there multi strings from pro supex?
if so could you name some for me?
PROTENNIS63
Hall of Fame
^^^ They only have 1 multi and that is Maxim Touch.
Lloyd Barcenilla
Professional
There is a new one, called speed ace.
slice-o-maniac
New User
thanks guys i just order some and i hope they please my liking =]
