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hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
Didn't watch AEW. Just didn't feel like chucking 50-60 bucks into a PPV. Had a friend saying he loved it and how it proves WWE cant get talent over. Then when he mentioned all the big AEW moments to him he said Cody, Dustin, Jericho, Moxley, and Omega as his favorite. And I was like so outta the 5 guys you named 4 of them you knew and cared about because WWE.

Raw sucked (as usual) but I expect the next NXT Takeover to be ridiculous. If you like indy style high spot fests that 4 way tag team ladder match will be heaven. Cole vs Gargano, Dream vs Breeze, Riddle vs Strong, Shayna (really improving) vs Io shoud all be top notch.

Supeshowdown will be OK. HHH vs Orton I could do without but they hadn't fought for like 9 years. I have already expressed my disdain for Taker GBerg but the two entrances combined will be longer than the match.
If WWE wants to impress me have Andrade beat the Demon. The Demon is like 7000000000000000000000000000 and 0. biggest streak in wrestling history.
Reigns vs Shane blaa. Braun vs Lashley who can botch more moves? Probably no US title match as Rey had to give it up (shoulder).
Raw tag aint announced, D. Bryan aint going (protest) so no tag titles up for grabs.

Brock holding that case like an 80's boombox is hilarious. Him not knowing the cash in rules, not so much. Also not quite sure what to make of the Brock party shirt.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Didn't watch AEW. Just didn't feel like chucking 50-60 bucks into a PPV. Had a friend saying he loved it and how it proves WWE cant get talent over. Then when he mentioned all the big AEW moments to him he said Cody, Dustin, Jericho, Moxley, and Omega as his favorite. And I was like so outta the 5 guys you named 4 of them you knew and cared about because WWE.

Raw sucked (as usual) but I expect the next NXT Takeover to be ridiculous. If you like indy style high spot fests that 4 way tag team ladder match will be heaven. Cole vs Gargano, Dream vs Breeze, Riddle vs Strong, Shayna (really improving) vs Io shoud all be top notch.

Supeshowdown will be OK. HHH vs Orton I could do without but they hadn't fought for like 9 years. I have already expressed my disdain for Taker GBerg but the two entrances combined will be longer than the match.
If WWE wants to impress me have Andrade beat the Demon. The Demon is like 7000000000000000000000000000 and 0. biggest streak in wrestling history.
Reigns vs Shane blaa. Braun vs Lashley who can botch more moves? Probably no US title match as Rey had to give it up (shoulder).
Raw tag aint announced, D. Bryan aint going (protest) so no tag titles up for grabs.

Brock holding that case like an 80's boombox is hilarious. Him not knowing the cash in rules, not so much. Also not quite sure what to make of the Brock party shirt.
£15 was acceptable for me. I think your friend liked the presentation and vibe of the show. It wasn't perfect. Been hearing the hyperbole guys saying it was Dustin's best match of his career etc. I'm not sure about that, but then I can't remember watching many outstanding Goldust/Dustin matches. I do think people get carried away like you would expect with something like this. I did enjoy the show. Jericho vs Omega was alright. Being able to show blood added to it. It just felt different and like it belonged in the premier league.

could be real competition
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
I get it, but one or two highly touted shows and everyone is so quick to just hate WWE all of a sudden.

As of now AEW gets to play by different rules than WWE. Once the TV deal kicks in how do they compensate the guys not under exclusive contract? do they get residuals from replays? How does the merchandising work?

They have a lot of stuff to get in order to be true competition.

WWE is going through a stuff spot right now like they were mid 90s. I think the would have figured it out eventually, but if AEW is in the mix it probably jump starts a little.

I will just ignore the articles that come in 2 or 3 years saying how AEW saved WE from failure after AEW folds.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
yea he is pretty doooshy
He used to be ok though, it's almost like he purposefully tries to sound as horrible as he can now. Its getting to the point where I almost want to mute the show.

I get it, but one or two highly touted shows and everyone is so quick to just hate WWE all of a sudden.

As of now AEW gets to play by different rules than WWE. Once the TV deal kicks in how do they compensate the guys not under exclusive contract? do they get residuals from replays? How does the merchandising work?

They have a lot of stuff to get in order to be true competition.

WWE is going through a stuff spot right now like they were mid 90s. I think the would have figured it out eventually, but if AEW is in the mix it probably jump starts a little.

I will just ignore the articles that come in 2 or 3 years saying how AEW saved WE from failure after AEW folds.
Yeah WWE will eventually right the ship. People are just dying for something new.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
I get it, but one or two highly touted shows and everyone is so quick to just hate WWE all of a sudden.

As of now AEW gets to play by different rules than WWE. Once the TV deal kicks in how do they compensate the guys not under exclusive contract? do they get residuals from replays? How does the merchandising work?

They have a lot of stuff to get in order to be true competition.

WWE is going through a stuff spot right now like they were mid 90s. I think the would have figured it out eventually, but if AEW is in the mix it probably jump starts a little.

I will just ignore the articles that come in 2 or 3 years saying how AEW saved WE from failure after AEW folds.
At least you know I've been hating WWE for a while. I'm not on the going head to head bandwagon or anything. At least not until we see weekly TV. But yeah, I've definitely seen it, the old picking sides thing. When there is a chance to enjoy both. I'm not ready to say AEW is all better. lol

In the end I want WWE to rise again, even if they think they might not need to. Raw didn't sound too good. :p

It's all about the timing. I don't seem to mind some of the dark years looking back. 1993 ftw . Probably because I had still to see the peak and was so young. I had not seen everything. Just give me more wrestling. But then I reached the point I didn't think I'd reach. Just little changes to everything over the years, social media, bah blah blah. It's not really exciting.
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
He used to be ok though, it's almost like he purposefully tries to sound as horrible as he can now. Its getting to the point where I almost want to mute the show.



Yeah WWE will eventually right the ship. People are just dying for something new.
Yep, sometimes I just want to punch him through the TV and say "Hey Michael Cole, if every RKO is outta nowhere then no RKO is outta nowhere"

When I was growing up there was on Orioles announcer named Rex Barney that as a very distinct way of saying thank you. I used think that was cool but when you to the games he would announce the sponsors and say "Thank youuuuuuuu" like 600 times in 2 minutes. Made me want to jump off the upper deck it was so annoying.

I think if randly orton got a tag team together and the finisher was like a set up RKO (Like 3D) Cole would still say RKO outta nowhere despite the minute set up. Something this stupid shouldn't bother me so much.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Listened to the wrestling observer podcast on the show. Big Dave and Bryan both went. So hyped. Talking about that turnbuckle that was thrown into the crowd. Fan is going to have one of the huge pieces of wrestling history, all being well with AEW and you don't sell it now.

I think that was the first time I've seen MJF. I didn't think his exchange with Bret was best of all time or anything but perfectly good.

Brian Pillman Jr's mullet is goaty. I've never seen anything like it in my life. :D Blows Scott Steiner and some of the other famous mullets away.
Who???
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
Truth with that title is perfect. Kinda sucky Elias got stuck in the middle of it, but that set up nicely for Elias to get away from whatever TF Shane is doing in this Roman beef. That needs to end at supershowdown.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Truth with that title is perfect. Kinda sucky Elias got stuck in the middle of it, but that set up nicely for Elias to get away from whatever TF Shane is doing in this Roman beef. That needs to end at supershowdown.
Roman needs to stop fueding with these big ass dudes. FFS does he EVER face anyone smaller? Gimme Roman vs DB or something.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
And have Roman break his right hand, pls!
Lol im def tired of the Superman punch.
Mainly his matches suck bc they're all the same. It's either Brock or Braun or Drew or Elias, and he has the same time of match with everyone. WWE should REALLY turn the man heel. Their refusal to make OBVIOUS booking decisions is beyond me.
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
They cant turn the man who single handedly beat cancer into oblivion heel. They also don't have many faces.

But yea Roman appears to have the talent to do more than he does. But maybe after all this time since they don't give him new moves and he sticks with spears and superman punches because he isn't capable of actually doing anything else.

All the historical greats typically had next level finishers. Stunner, DDT, PerfectPlex, tombstone, jackknfife, jackhammer, razors edge, RKO, Diamond Cutter, F5, Macho man elbow, Banzai Drop, pedigree, rock bottom, you get the point. Other guys had cool submissions that meant something. Only guy I can really think of is Hogan Hogan, he didn't do anything technically superior but he at least made the leg drop look cool and those were different times anyway.

Roman gives the worst spear in the business, and jumps in the air and punches a guy in slow motion not good.

I think he best finishers besides looking cool have a way to be setup to build excitement but they can also be hit quickly with no set up (Mike Cole outta nowhere). For me the way DDP did the Diamond Cutter made it my favorite move of all times. They let him do it off the turnbuckle, from a fireman's carry, and tons of other positions. They don't let Randy quite get that creative with it. EC3 has the fireman carry version for instance, but its still a great finisher and gets a huge pop.

End of Days is my current favorite finishing move. It looks awesome and it can be applied quickly with no build up for the surprise factor. Still don't understand why Corbin just don't get though to the fans.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Let me repeat what everybody else says by saying Hulk Hogan's back wouldn't be so messed up if he used the Axe Bomber in America. I've never checked out much of Hogan in Japan. The Axe Bomber ruled over in the land of the rising sun, jack dude.

 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Lol Vince Russo has lost his mind. He's convinced AEW/WWE are in cahoots and the whole rivalry is a work. Look at his twitter :D been rambling about it for days.

"There's NO QUESTION that @WWE & @AEWrestling are in bed together--NONE. Several things don't add up. When you look at the entire picture it becomes evident. I'm going to invite the @CnsprcyHrsmn on the new "Truth with Consequences" to lay this all out. Bro---YOU'RE BEING WORKED. "

 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
At least Vince isn't in the camp that Roman's leukemia was a work.

It is a fact that wrestling business is getting a lot more shine since AEW popped up. Maybe that aint so bad for WWE
And, for the 1st time, in a looooooooooooooooooooong time, wrestlers are choosing to leave the WWE when they are dissatisfied/feel under-utilized and become independent contractors.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
And, for the 1st time, in a looooooooooooooooooooong time, wrestlers are choosing to leave the WWE when they are dissatisfied/feel under-utilized and become independent contractors.
It is just proving that we are not the enemy here, ya know. We have these people out there saying we just pull stuff out of the sky, ya know, but now we have Jon Moxley out there saying what we have been saying here for years, ya know.
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
I always liked Val and though he performed in his role admirably.

His sister was married to Edge for a few years, and now he like a "bud" consultant and a weed shop in AZ. Weird stuff.
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
Read the transcript of the Jericho podcast with Moxley (Ambrose). If what he says his problems were are how it works for everyone I get why he left and I get why the product is the way it is.

He felt like he spent more time fighting creative and the writers then being able to think and develop his character. I think I might have to go back and listen to some of it just get a feel hearing his voice if he was at ease. But it sure as heck felt that way.

Time will tell, but if that is really the case I could a lot of these dudes, especially the old timers coming over to AEW because they don't need the money so bad.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Read the transcript of the Jericho podcast with Moxley (Ambrose). If what he says his problems were are how it works for everyone I get why he left and I get why the product is the way it is.

He felt like he spent more time fighting creative and the writers then being able to think and develop his character. I think I might have to go back and listen to some of it just get a feel hearing his voice if he was at ease. But it sure as heck felt that way.

Time will tell, but if that is really the case I could a lot of these dudes, especially the old timers coming over to AEW because they don't need the money so bad.
Heard this sentiment from some of the retired WCW/WWE guys on podcasts who feel the guys in the lockerroom could create better storylines than creative. May take that with a bowl of salt when they have much to gain.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Wonder if fox is rethinking smackdown, not sure what they are doing anymore. Just not a good show anymore
I would prefer NXT............................................................Anyone watching NXT Takeover? Smackdown is bettah than RAW
 

Chadalina

Hall of Fame
I would prefer NXT............................................................Anyone watching NXT Takeover? Smackdown is bettah than RAW
Had stuff todo so ill grab it later.

Raw has been better lately, but smackdown has been really bad. Hard to believe people were calling for a third hour.
 
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