Professional Juniors /Kids - First Hybrid suggestions thin Poly / Multi

Sontheim

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Hi,

am am looking for new string setup for 11 year old girl. Plays very good. One of best girls nationwide Germany. At the moment she plays with Head Rip Control (last year Velocity) in 1,25mm gauge. She likes it, but bite more control would be fine. I thought of thin soft poly 1,10mm/ 1,15mm in the mains combined with multi in the crosses. Maybe at the beginning the Rip Control in the crosses? What we tried was Tour bite 20 in 1,05 in the mains....but that did not work good for her ...strokes were much tu short....we tried 22/21 kg....

Do you have any suggestions for me? I think poly fullbed is to soon.

Thanks a lot.
 
Moving to the poly world should be gradual. I would first look to add poly in the crosses. Choose a soft one like cream, ghostwire or signum polaris. It will definitely increase the control.
 
Thanks a lot. So poly not in the mains but in the crosses? Ich tried Ghostwire 1,10 in mains and Rip Control in crosses....maybe i try ghostwire in crosses...what ist the difference between multi in mains and multi in crosses?
 
The main strings give approximately 70% of the feel of the stringbed. Since the young girl is used to multis, we shall keep the dominant string and add a poly flavor. The poly in the crosses will permit the multi mains to snap back well, will increase the control and will not feel too stiff. But I would choose a diameter close to multi's 1,25 mm. 1,10 may saw the mains very fast. With Ghostwire in particular, I would pick 1,17mm or 1,22mm.
 
Thanks. OK I have Swift 1,25 a reel at home. I will try. At the moment indoor durability is no problem. Are there any advantages using a thinner poly as a cross? Maybe even more arm friendly? Control and spin is about the same for the same strings in different gauges used in the crosses? In tha mains i know the thinner the more spin,...
 
Thinner strings are generally more arm friendly, yes. Thinner crosses means less string to string friction; that allows the mains to move more freely and you get more spin and control. I know some players that use the same string but with a reduced gauge for the crosses in order to achieve this.
 
Hi,

am am looking for new string setup for 11 year old girl. Plays very good. One of best girls nationwide Germany. At the moment she plays with Head Rip Control (last year Velocity) in 1,25mm gauge. She likes it, but bite more control would be fine. I thought of thin soft poly 1,10mm/ 1,15mm in the mains combined with multi in the crosses. Maybe at the beginning the Rip Control in the crosses? What we tried was Tour bite 20 in 1,05 in the mains....but that did not work good for her ...strokes were much tu short....we tried 22/21 kg....

Do you have any suggestions for me? I think poly fullbed is to soon.

Thanks a lot.
I coach local high school teams and I also string for these kids along with many other local players of many levels. I generally prefer to avoid poly strings for anybody who doesn't really need its durability or performance, but I've found that the best first step for anybody who wants to try a poly is this sort of poly you're describing that includes a very light gauge of poly main paired with a softer cross string.

If this girl was using a full bed of 1.25mm RIP Control and the poly hybrid she tried left too many of her shots much too short in the court, it seems as though she might not really need any poly yet. Using a less resilient poly hybrid (less resilient that a bed of multifiber or syn. gut) might force her to over-swing too often to get her shots deeper in the other end of the court. That can spell trouble. I'd say first try to find acceptable control from an option among the softer strings before going into a poly.

A heavier gauge of RIP Control could offer her a little more control, but she might also find more control and consistency with her shots if she plays with a full bed of synthetic gut. Whenever I've played with RIP Control in the past, I've enjoyed its inherent softness, but that string also seemed to steadily degrade - soften - as I used it over a few sessions. Many multifibers seem to be prone to this progressive softening.

I'm a BIG fan of synthetic gut because it gives me moderate softness without degrading like many multis do for me. Better performance (for me), better service life, and significantly lower cost per set. I coach a girls' high school team and although several of the girls are very solid players in the age range of 14-18 years old, only a few of these girls use any sort of poly. Most of them use syn. gut. In fact, a couple of those girls using a poly don't even have strong enough technique to actually benefit from that string type... they just want that string because they're convinced that it's "better".

A few syn. guts are semi-stiff and several others are rather soft. My favorite syn. gut is from Kirschbaum, but I can only get it in 16 ga. While that's generally great for me, I also like to sometimes use a 17 ga. (1.25mm) option, at least in my own racquets. I keep some Babolat 17 ga. syn. gut on hand for that and I also use a lot of the hot pink 16 ga. Babolat syn. gut during the girls' season. Looks great, plays great, they love it.

Two syn. guts that are relatively stiff (too stiff for my taste) are Gosen OG Sheep Micro and Prince SG with Duraflex. While the Gosen is too clunky feeling for me in a full bed, I do often use it as a cross in many poly hybrids I install for the kids and other locals. It's durable and slick like a cross string in a hybrid ought to be to work well in that role.
 
Head sonic pro is very soft and has more control than most multis. It’s very popular amongst juniors at my club as a fullbed, although your daughter could also try it as an hybrid with multi/syngut crosses (I would skip this and try it directly as a fullbed). The natural evolution within the head strings realm would be head lynx.
 
Hi,

am am looking for new string setup for 11 year old girl. Plays very good. One of best girls nationwide Germany. At the moment she plays with Head Rip Control (last year Velocity) in 1,25mm gauge. She likes it, but bite more control would be fine. I thought of thin soft poly 1,10mm/ 1,15mm in the mains combined with multi in the crosses. Maybe at the beginning the Rip Control in the crosses? What we tried was Tour bite 20 in 1,05 in the mains....but that did not work good for her ...strokes were much tu short....we tried 22/21 kg....

Do you have any suggestions for me? I think poly fullbed is to soon.

Thanks a lot.
I’d test out 1.20 hyper g soft or 1.20 tour bite soft with either of the 1.25 RIP control/Velocity as your cross.
 
I coach local high school teams and I also string for these kids along with many other local players of many levels. I generally prefer to avoid poly strings for anybody who doesn't really need its durability or performance, but I've found that the best first step for anybody who wants to try a poly is this sort of poly you're describing that includes a very light gauge of poly main paired with a softer cross string.

If this girl was using a full bed of 1.25mm RIP Control and the poly hybrid she tried left too many of her shots much too short in the court, it seems as though she might not really need any poly yet. Using a less resilient poly hybrid (less resilient that a bed of multifiber or syn. gut) might force her to over-swing too often to get her shots deeper in the other end of the court. That can spell trouble. I'd say first try to find acceptable control from an option among the softer strings before going into a poly.

A heavier gauge of RIP Control could offer her a little more control, but she might also find more control and consistency with her shots if she plays with a full bed of synthetic gut. Whenever I've played with RIP Control in the past, I've enjoyed its inherent softness, but that string also seemed to steadily degrade - soften - as I used it over a few sessions. Many multifibers seem to be prone to this progressive softening.

I'm a BIG fan of synthetic gut because it gives me moderate softness without degrading like many multis do for me. Better performance (for me), better service life, and significantly lower cost per set. I coach a girls' high school team and although several of the girls are very solid players in the age range of 14-18 years old, only a few of these girls use any sort of poly. Most of them use syn. gut. In fact, a couple of those girls using a poly don't even have strong enough technique to actually benefit from that string type... they just want that string because they're convinced that it's "better".

A few syn. guts are semi-stiff and several others are rather soft. My favorite syn. gut is from Kirschbaum, but I can only get it in 16 ga. While that's generally great for me, I also like to sometimes use a 17 ga. (1.25mm) option, at least in my own racquets. I keep some Babolat 17 ga. syn. gut on hand for that and I also use a lot of the hot pink 16 ga. Babolat syn. gut during the girls' season. Looks great, plays great, they love it.

Two syn. guts that are relatively stiff (too stiff for my taste) are Gosen OG Sheep Micro and Prince SG with Duraflex. While the Gosen is too clunky feeling for me in a full bed, I do often use it as a cross in many poly hybrids I install for the kids and other locals. It's durable and slick like a cross string in a hybrid ought to be to work well in that role.
Thanks a lot for your answer! Very helpul. I have a reel oft Kirschbaum Syngut Premium 17 in 1,25mm.....we will give that string a try....
 
One futher question. Does it make sense to start with Rip Control combined with syngut bewfore using fullbed Syngut or just to test this combination? If yes Syngut better in the mains or in the crosses? Which (dis)advantages does syngut in mains compared to in the crosses have (if used with rip control)?

Thanks a lot
 
One futher question. Does it make sense to start with Rip Control combined with syngut bewfore using fullbed Syngut or just to test this combination? If yes Syngut better in the mains or in the crosses? Which (dis)advantages does syngut in mains compared to in the crosses have (if used with rip control)?

Thanks a lot
If you're going from RIP Control to Kirschbaum syn. gut (SG), I'd say go for a full bed of the SG and just dial in the right tension - that could take one or two tries before getting it where your girl likes it. The change from that multi to the Kirschbaum Premium 17 SG should be a good deal less drastic than going from a full multi layout to either a poly or poly hybrid. The bed of SG should likely turn out to be only mildly less soft than the multi, but that could mean that it's just right for somebody if tensioned at only perhaps two pounds lower than the RIP Control.

Note: Feel is a very tricky issue - highly subjective and tricky to sort out. I personally like the "punchy", "snappy" feel of 17 ga. syn. gut compared with a bed of multi that can feel more mushy and vague for me. But even a thinner gauge of syn. gut can feel harsh and clunky for me if it's only 3-4 lbs. too tight in a particular racquet.

I know that some of our pals here have experimented with a combo of a multi main string with something a little more firm in the crosses to get both some softness and some control. Maybe this was partially inspired by the Federer recipe - he used a bed of natural gut mains and poly crosses to get what he wanted with his equipment. I really have no specific recommendations to make in this direction, but you might enjoy some trial and error if you don't mind spending a little money on some different strings (remember that Federer enjoyed a healthy sponsorship!!).

A syn. gut or poly cross could theoretically work in that role to help with gaining a little more consistency over a full bed of multi, but it's hard to predict how any two strings will interact. Some will slide across each other better than others and some pairings will wear against each other at different rates. Probably easiest to stick with a full bed of multi or syn. gut and dial in the best tensions.
 
Hi,

am am looking for new string setup for 11 year old girl. Plays very good. One of best girls nationwide Germany. At the moment she plays with Head Rip Control (last year Velocity) in 1,25mm gauge. She likes it, but bite more control would be fine. I thought of thin soft poly 1,10mm/ 1,15mm in the mains combined with multi in the crosses. Maybe at the beginning the Rip Control in the crosses? What we tried was Tour bite 20 in 1,05 in the mains....but that did not work good for her ...strokes were much tu short....we tried 22/21 kg....

Do you have any suggestions for me? I think poly fullbed is to soon.

Thanks a lot.
Ok we're play testing Babolat XALT right now and I'd say it might be a good option for her; it's kind of crisper or stiffer version of a multi due to the two outer layers. So you could either try a full bed of it for her or hybrid it with a softer co-poly. Sure if she's using Velocity MLT / RIP Control; maybe try Babolat XALT as an alternative in the crosses.
 
Ok we're play testing Babolat XALT right now and I'd say it might be a good option for her; it's kind of crisper or stiffer version of a multi due to the two outer layers. So you could either try a full bed of it for her or hybrid it with a softer co-poly. Sure if she's using Velocity MLT / RIP Control; maybe try Babolat XALT as an alternative in the crosses.
Sorry but much too expensive here in Germany
 
Sorry but much too expensive here in Germany
That's too bad. Ok as someone else suggested @what_army , you might try Head Sonic Pro and I'm suggesting hybrid that with Head Velocity MLT. I've used this combo and it works very well and it is easy on the arm. Hopefully you can get a good deal on these strings in Germany. Here is the US these strings are pretty moderately priced and readily available and have a great following.
 
Personally, I'd stay with the Rip Control. Tighten it up a bit to allow her to get more racket head speed to get more spin. I'd hate to be the one responsible for ruining her arm.
 
I actually don't mind a transition to a hybrid for this type of player at this age. For most kids no but if they are an advanced junior It is not going to be long before they are going to be in fully poly anyway. You are going to need to cut out and restring often so monitor duration of use and restring frequently. Also, might as well plan on learning to string/buying a stringer unless you are loaded and can afford for others to do it for you.

You didn't discuss her racquet which is a key factor. You discussed velocity so lacking further information I will just toss out revolve 16g mains and velocity 16g crosses but would really need to know more about the racquet.
 
Hi..thanks a lot for the answers. I String in my own. So No extra costs for stringing exvept the Strings.

She Play yonex vcore feel model 2021 250g. To quite light Racket untill now.

She hast 3 Rackets. I now Made 3 different Setups

1 RIP Control fullbed 1,25mm
1 RIP Control Mains, ghostwire 20 /1,1mm in cross
1 RIP Control Cross, ghostwire 20 Mains

After that i will try syngut 1,25 Kirschbaum Premium fullbed.

Thanks a lot for further Input.
 
Results

Does Not Like ghostwire in Mains.

Not really difference between fullbed RIP Control and ghostwire in crosses ..
 
Sorry for the mistakes ...my Handy knows No english
Handy is a German nickname for cellphone or mobile phone, correct? I think many people here don't have any idea what "Handy" means in English. Most people here would just say "my phone" instead of "my handy".
 
I coach local high school teams and I also string for these kids along with many other local players of many levels. I generally prefer to avoid poly strings for anybody who doesn't really need its durability or performance, but I've found that the best first step for anybody who wants to try a poly is this sort of poly you're describing that includes a very light gauge of poly main paired with a softer cross string.

If this girl was using a full bed of 1.25mm RIP Control and the poly hybrid she tried left too many of her shots much too short in the court, it seems as though she might not really need any poly yet. Using a less resilient poly hybrid (less resilient that a bed of multifiber or syn. gut) might force her to over-swing too often to get her shots deeper in the other end of the court. That can spell trouble. I'd say first try to find acceptable control from an option among the softer strings before going into a poly.

A heavier gauge of RIP Control could offer her a little more control, but she might also find more control and consistency with her shots if she plays with a full bed of synthetic gut. Whenever I've played with RIP Control in the past, I've enjoyed its inherent softness, but that string also seemed to steadily degrade - soften - as I used it over a few sessions. Many multifibers seem to be prone to this progressive softening.

I'm a BIG fan of synthetic gut because it gives me moderate softness without degrading like many multis do for me. Better performance (for me), better service life, and significantly lower cost per set. I coach a girls' high school team and although several of the girls are very solid players in the age range of 14-18 years old, only a few of these girls use any sort of poly. Most of them use syn. gut. In fact, a couple of those girls using a poly don't even have strong enough technique to actually benefit from that string type... they just want that string because they're convinced that it's "better".

A few syn. guts are semi-stiff and several others are rather soft. My favorite syn. gut is from Kirschbaum, but I can only get it in 16 ga. While that's generally great for me, I also like to sometimes use a 17 ga. (1.25mm) option, at least in my own racquets. I keep some Babolat 17 ga. syn. gut on hand for that and I also use a lot of the hot pink 16 ga. Babolat syn. gut during the girls' season. Looks great, plays great, they love it.

Two syn. guts that are relatively stiff (too stiff for my taste) are Gosen OG Sheep Micro and Prince SG with Duraflex. While the Gosen is too clunky feeling for me in a full bed, I do often use it as a cross in many poly hybrids I install for the kids and other locals. It's durable and slick like a cross string in a hybrid ought to be to work well in that role.
I'm with you FN! It's important to understand a young lady is still developing muscle and bone structure and unless she is already lifting weights or otherwise exercising to strengthen her body, avoid poly until she is ready/absolutely needs it. There's no right age but certainly at 16 or 17 is better than at any younger age.
Damage to the body at this age can lead to other problems and early injuries can dissuade her from continuing the sport.
 
what frame is she using? I second the suggestion for full bed syn gut as this material loses tension gradually and the string provides excellent pocketing. At her age spin should be produced by the stroke and not by a non-linear responding string material.
 
How did it work out with the Kirschbaum?
She did Not Like Kirschbaum syngut Premium 1,25. Moves a lot..she played terrible she said.

I now would try RIP Control in the Mains with different crosses.

Any Suggestion which of them could Work best as a Cross with Head RIP control 1,25mm Mains and why? Any Advantages to RIP Control fullbed?

Ghostwire 20 in 1,10mm
Rpm Soft in 1,25mm
Diadem Evolution 1,25mm
MSV Swift 1,25mm
MSV Go Max
Solinco hyper G soft 1,15
 
She did Not Like Kirschbaum syngut Premium 1,25. Moves a lot..she played terrible she said.

I now would try RIP Control in the Mains with different crosses.

Any Suggestion which of them could Work best as a Cross with Head RIP control 1,25mm Mains and why? Any Advantages to RIP Control fullbed?

Ghostwire 20 in 1,10mm
Rpm Soft in 1,25mm
Diadem Evolution 1,25mm
MSV Swift 1,25mm
MSV Go Max
Solinco hyper G soft 1,15
Swift cross...have you tried multifeel mains n swift cross??? I like 1 30mm syngut main n 1.25mm swift cross at 48/46 pounds for my son 11year old
 
She did Not Like Kirschbaum syngut Premium 1,25. Moves a lot..she played terrible she said.

I now would try RIP Control in the Mains with different crosses.

Any Suggestion which of them could Work best as a Cross with Head RIP control 1,25mm Mains and why? Any Advantages to RIP Control fullbed?

Ghostwire 20 in 1,10mm
Rpm Soft in 1,25mm
Diadem Evolution 1,25mm
MSV Swift 1,25mm
MSV Go Max
Solinco hyper G soft 1,15
You have reel of swift cross,, so test multifeel black 1.30mm mains and swift cross....test lots of mains with swift 1.25mm cross at 46 pounds...swift is no good under 45pounds
 
What frame does she use? Anyone can play with syn gut if their technique is good. Tension is much less of a factor vs any poly. If she liked multi, syn gut is similar though slightly stiffer and more durable. Raise tension in multi. Then subtract 2lbs or 1-1.5kg from that tension if using syn gut. I suggest sticking with multi or solid core syn gut and hone technique. Once she reaches 13 or 14 she can switch to poly. To reap benefits of poly she'll need to have the racquet head speed to really be able to bend that string bed.

Syn gut and multi strings do move around more than poly. She can increase the tension such that the string bed just slightly moves. I find this to have excellent control while still having good pocketing.
 
Everyone suggests Swift? What about ghostwire or rpm soft?
RPM soft could be worth trying as a cross for RIP. Might give a bit more spin or control but don't expect very big changes.
Although she probably doesn't need big changes if she likes rip control.
I'd string it around the same tension as rip full bed.

Did you try just going to a full bed of 1.30 rip control?
 
RPM soft could be worth trying as a cross for RIP. Might give a bit more spin or control but don't expect very big changes.
Although she probably doesn't need big changes if she likes rip control.
I'd string it around the same tension as rip full bed.

Did you try just going to a full bed of 1.30 rip control?
Not really because still have 200m of RIP Control 1,25mm... Smile...will try rpm soft or Diadem Evolution AS Cross...
 
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