Professional's Forehand Grip

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  1. ridinsolo

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    What are their forehand grips?
     
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    Pretty sure Djokovic uses a full western grip and I think Nadal does too, though some people say Nadal's is in between semi-western and western.
     
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  3. Wes_Loves_Dunlop

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    roddick and djoker use western.
    Nadal definitely uses semi western because with a straight arm forehand and the whippiness of his wrist, his wrist would break if he used a western. and photos prove it.
     
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    Andy is extreme semi-western for sure.
    Novak is western, so is Nadal.
     
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    Neither of them are fully Western. No one on tour is. Not a full
     
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    Agreed, not many top pro's hit full Western. Djokovic hits Semi-Western on the high balls and he moves around more on lower balls, but there's no way he's in a full western. It's generally getting called a 3/4 western by press, (Quote"more similar to Semi-western than Western"). Most current player tend to hold the diagonally across the bevels to get their wrist action so the palm is generally more conservative than the knuckle, which means they are not playing traditional, Eastern, Semi-Western or Western grips anyway. The semi-western is still considered the normal, bringing it back like Federer toward the Eastern or around towards the Western like Djokovic, but rare to see full western or eastern. Tomic might play a traditional eastern at times, he hits flat through the ball a lot but never checked. Pro's need a grip they can driver through with, Western and Extreme Western don't have enough pace, Eastern and Continental have to small a margin for error.
     
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    Yeah I agree. The index knuckle sits on bevel 4 as does the heel pad. And there is you're western. It's just been over generalized. Nadal uses an extreme one and so does Sock to name a few. Berdych and Federer are yiur classic examples of the Eastern. With variants of course. But full western is just not doable. Index knuckle on bevel 5 and you become shackled. It just doesn't work. Not when it's plush on there like a true western. So yeah it comes down to over simplifying what really is simply a semi western.
     
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    Nadal is going Yul Brenner
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    That's genius. Who told u that. What's your source ?
     
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  10. dgold44

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    60s and 70s it was all continental grip

    80s it was mostly eastern grip

    Now it's all semi or full western


    I have always used eastern
     
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    I think most people associate extreme semi as western. If someone asked me what Kyrgios used i would say western
     
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    Agreed - some people play fast and loose with the term "western" (as in a 'real' i.e. full western).

    as for kyrgios, he needs to get a grip : ) .
     
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    What I learned in this thread: Lotsa people have no clue what Djoker and Rafa's grips are but they have no qualms voicing thier erroneously opinions.

    For the record: Rafa is plain vanilla Semi-W. Djoker is between SW and W - often called 3/4 Western.
     
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  14. danbrenner

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    No one uses a full western. No one on tour anyways
    Just extreme semis. A true western is not possible for consistent pro play
     
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    I agree with that.
    My gripe is really when people always say western instead of SW which is what it is.
    Then u get an unsuspecting kid say oh western. He goes home and starts trying to play with index and palm on bevel 5 and wastes months if not more thinking that he must learn this sick twisted technique because Nadal plays like that. Lol.
    FYI. This idiot I'm talking about may or may not be myself.
     
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    I agree with that.
    My gripe is really when people always say western instead of SW which is what it is.
    Then u get an unsuspecting kid say oh western. He goes home and starts trying to play with index and palm on bevel 5 and wastes months if not more thinking that he must learn this sick twisted technique because Nadal plays like that. Lol.
    FYI. This idiot I'm talking about may or may not be myself.
     
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    Nishikori doesn't use a western?
     
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    U see what I mean. Lol

    No he doesn't. It's a semi western. No one on your uses a full western
     
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    Ok ... Interesting

    Nobody uses a full eastern grip
     
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    Lol. That's genius. Who told u that?
     
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    I researched still videos on all pros to find exact contact of palm and big knuckle

    Back in my day , we all used eastern FH
     
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    Plenty of players use eastern.
    R F is one of them Berdych is another.
     
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  24. SpinToWin

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    Berdych uses a semi western.

    Roger does not use a full eastern. He uses something between semi western and eastern, what I call a modern eastern grip.

    I'm not sure anyone uses full eastern, perhaps Roberto Bautista Agut or Del Potro.

    I am sure that there are some full western players though.
     
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    No shot in hell Beedych uses a semi western. It's as eastern as pistol Petes.
     
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    That's the flattest Eastern forehand on tour. Him and DelPotro.
     
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    And for te record. I don't think there are any full western players. Not a real full. There used to be a few. I don't know of any anymore. They would t be able to compete. It's just not possible
     
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    That's clearly a semi western.
     
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    spin i thought u knew your stuff this is as eastern as Poland.
     
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    this is a real semi western. watch and learn stw
     
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    take close notice of his right hand index knuckle. and then just look at how closed his racquet face is on take back. that will say it all. i should know .. this is my forehand technique. as i can gather.. u use an eastern..
     
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    The early 70s most had a continental grip. Connors and Borg had a western or semi western grip. They both won their first grand slam in '74.
     
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    Anybody young or new should learn a semi-western.

    I love my eastern FH, its my only true 4.5 shot that I can hit all time, well.
    I also sometimes do a FH slice shot and just raise the racket head higher up and this mixes up my shots, well
     
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    Berdych still uses a semi western though.... It isn't as extreme as Wawrinka's but it's a semi western nonetheless.

    His index knuckle is on the bevel after eastern (unlike Fed). At the very best you make a case that it's between the two bevels, however his technique more closely resembles a semi western.

    You can't call Del Po's and Berdych's forehand grip the same, there is a noticeable difference. There even is a noticeable different to Fed's forehand grip really.

    Yes I use a eastern (modern eastern) forehand grip, and it looks different to what Berdych does.

    To conclude, Berdych has a mild form of a semi western forehand. Calling it eastern is a misrepresentation of the technique IMO.
     
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    Spin. he is using an eastern forehand. Plain and simple. There is nothing western about it. U are either eastern or semi western. I don't wanna hear about mild or extreme. It's all be. Either eastern or semi Webern. Either bevel 3 or bevel 4. And clearly Thomas is on bevel 3. Please don't argue this as I respect your knowledge in s many areas except this one in which for some reason u are in denial.
     
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  36. VexlanderPrime

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    I also see SW in that Berd vid... doesn't look Eastern to me but not the best vid to tell.
     
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    I agree with Spin. Either [1] He's using a SW grip or [2] that vid is too hard to tell from. Definately see no hint of Bev 3 in that vid.
     
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    Whatever man, speak of denial or whatnot however much you want, you're the first guy I've heard speaking about a eastern Berdych forehand to begin with, but whatever suits you.
     
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    Just take a closer look at stans forehand. It's a textbook semi. U can clearly see the diff. And the closed racquet head on take back. U must look closely.
    I'll make a thread of it and have others chime in. But cmon man. Don't I see the diff between the 2. It's night and day.
     
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    I mean, we're trying to look at tiny little pixels to decide where his index knuckle is lying. Not the best vid for it. To my eyes, the pixels look like Bev4. Who knows.
     
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    Look at stand wrist. The angle his wrist is at when he makes contact with the ball. Then look at Berdych on contact. That should help as well
     
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    I mean, the Stan vid is very clear. Berd vid, not so much.
     
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    Trust me I know because I use a textbook semi. I promise u he is eastern. Yes albeit slightly shifted. But primarily an eastern. Probably very similar to Feds. But any which way u slice it they are eastern.

    Now like told spin. Go back to those videos. Look at stans wrist angle on contact. Look at how it's twisted pronated on contact. Then look at Beedych wrist on contact. Look how much straighter it is.
     
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    Did u look at wrist pronation on contact ?
     
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    If u guys can't see how flat his wrist is on contact after watching this video then shame on u
     
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    Spin if u can't see how flat his wrist is on contact from this video and still think he is using a western then u need to relearn your grips with a teaching pro
     
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    Paused it at :45. Looks SW or at most on the edge between Bev 3 and 4. Def don't see a plain eastern. Dunno wtf his wrist is doing but grip is grip.
     
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    Go back to te Stan video. If u don't see differences then I give up.
     
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    Semi western ain't western. His palm is not begin the ball as much as it would be for a eastern.

    How about double checking your own claims first? I checked mine before answering again and can say with confidence that Berdych does not use a eastern grip on the forehand.
     
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