Professional's Forehand Grip

Lol. True. U know what's funny here. It's the people who use an eastern themselves that are in denial. They want to say that they have a western which is more modern but they don't. They have old school eastern. I don't think there is anything wrong with an eastern. RF the goat has one. But man up. It is what it is
 
danbrenner said:
Now admit you're wrong.
And that you're playing with an eastern forehand yourself
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I've already said that I play a eastern forehand though? I never claimed to play a semi western.

Berdych's grip is shifted more to SW than Federer's. If you want to call that extreme eastern, fine by me, that's just how you decide to use the terminology.

It's funny that you think that there is some clear cut line between grips, there really isn't, especially nowadays with people using small grips and thus shifting the butt of the racquet in the palm to various extents.
 
And the sad thing is that if people don't learn the truth about grips they will never experiment with a SW. Who knows maybe spin to win would become a SW user himself if he took the time to understand what it really is. This is my point though. Learn the differences and then try it out for real. It's an odd tchnique to someone who has played flat eastern their whole life.
 
SpinToWin said:
I've already said that I play a eastern forehand though? I never claimed to play a semi western.

Berdych's grip is shifted more to SW than Federer's. If you want to call that extreme eastern, fine by me, that's just how you decide to use the terminology.

It's funny that you think that there is some clear cut line between grips, there really isn't, especially nowadays with people using small grips and thus shifting the butt of the racquet in the palm to various extents.
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Spin. There is a diff clear cut at that. Bevel 3 and flat wrist pronation on contact. Equals eastern
Bevel 4 and pronated wrist in contact. Equals semi western.
 
danbrenner said:
And the sad thing is that if people don't learn the truth about grips they will never experiment with a SW. Who knows maybe spin to win would become a SW user himself if he took the time to understand what it really is. This is my point though. Learn the differences and then try it out for real. It's an odd tchnique to someone who has played flat eastern their whole life.
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Flat eastern? And you're trying to play the know it all... There are many ways to hold a eastern forehand based on how the butt of the racquet is positioned in the palm (the same is the case for any grip really). Mine is shifted quite far diagonally, so my forehand is the opposite of flat, since my palm holds the racquet much more like a traditional semi western.
 
danbrenner said:
Spin. There is a diff clear cut at that. Bevel 3 and flat wrist pronation on contact. Equals eastern
Bevel 4 and pronated wrist in contact. Equals semi western.
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Is Berdych's index knuckle flat on bevel 3? Surely not.

What in the world is flat wrist pronation?

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Make of it what you will, this looks closer to SW to me.

I won't argue about stupid details like this anymore though, they're terribly overrated. Use whatever works.
 
SpinToWin said:
Is Berdych's index knuckle flat on bevel 3? Surely not.

What in the world is flat wrist pronation?

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Make of it what you will, this looks closer to SW to me.

I won't argue about stupid details like this anymore though, they're terribly overrated. Use whatever works.
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If he was any flatter he'd be an ironing board.
And yes. For the last time he's a flat eastern forehand. Just like u. And there's nothing wrong with that. It is what it is.
 
danbrenner said:
U see what I mean. Lol

No he doesn't. It's a semi western. No one on your uses a full western
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He doesn't use a classic semi western. He uses something in between semi western and full western. But ofcourse he switches grips on different balls just as almost every player does.
 
TupeloDanger said:
This will come as a great disappointment to Jack Sock.
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He without a doubt has the most extreme western of all.
But most of the other players using a Western are using a semi western. With index base knuckle resting squarely in the middle of bevel 4.
But I find it funny that many people on these boards think Berdych uses a SW.
This is the classic mistake that most people make. He's an Eastern. His index base knuckle rests in bevel 3 and on occasion slides down a little. But he is an eastern.
So I'm just trying to post out that people throw out the term western without knowing what they are taking about.
 
Shaolin said:
Thanks I assumed that was the knuckle placement for years now but wasn't sure if others thought the same.
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Sock is the furthest around I've seen. Almost on Bevel 5. If I get motivated later I'll pull some stills for you and you can make up your own mind.

I would call Sock full western. But maybe people are not using the same terms to describe the same grip. Until I took a closer look in response to this thread frame by frame I used to think Sock was further around than Western even but he's not.

I think DBrenner is correct most players are using SW (bevel 4). Some are beteeen 4 and 5. And Sock is as close to 5 as any player I've checked.
 
It's full western. And the thought that pros are either Semi Western or Eastern and nothing like an Extreme Semi Western exists is the silliest thing I have read here in a while.
 
Shaolin said:
Nishi and Gasquet would be good projects too.
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Yes, I'll look into Ricky. I started to at one point because he does a peculiar thing with one of his fingers on the forehand side and I wanted to get to the bottom of whatever is going on there. o_O
 
Tshooter said:
Yes, I'll look into Ricky. I started to at one point because he does a peculiar thing with one of his fingers on the forehand side and I wanted to get to the bottom of whatever is going on there. o_O
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Yeah there's some wonky stuff going on with that fh.
 
danbrenner said:
I totally agree w this. And I'll lump Berdych into Federers Extreme E bracket.

And damn Sock is the most western I have ever seen.
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feeder's base knuckle is in between bevels on the wider one, I refer to it as modified easter; he changes it depending on height of shot and amount ion spin he wants to produce. Berdych is regular SW with a flat wrist.
 
Fed= extreme Eastern

Murray= semi-western

Nadal= extreme semi-western

Djoko =3/4 Western (slightly more extreme than nadals)
 
Let's not forget about what is possibly one of the best forehands of all time. Delpos.
Does everyone agree he is a straight up eastern ?
 
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