ProKennex Ki Q+ Tour Pro 315 (2021 model)

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Jbloc11 said:
Not to semi-throw a wrench in the thread but if anyone gets a chance to demo or try the Q+Tour 2021 300 version, it’s an amazing racket as well. Layup is a little different than the 315 in a sense that much of the weight seems to be in the middle/throat of the frame (the 315 seems to be more on the handle). Flexes well too and pockets the ball well. The racket has that crisp feel and not super muted. Hits a lot bigger for the 300 weight (probably from the kinetic technology) and it seems that you can get the good stuff of what the 315 offers but in a more maneuverable package. Offers more room for customization as well. Playing with the 315 and 300 side by side as of late and seems like I’m gravitating to the 300 more. I get more consistent clean hits with the 300 because of the maneuverability and seems like the rackets “swings through the air better” because of the layup.
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Yeah I was real curious about this one when the new PKs released.

Is the feel different than the 315 which appears to be softer?
 
tim-ay

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Power Player said:
Same mold, but different layup it appears based upon the RA.
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If they really did stiffen it just a shade, that would be very tempting. Or I am tempted because TE has these in stock and no one seems to have the 315. TW was supposed to get some on 8/30 but notta. If I wait too long, I will lose interest realizing I really don't need any more frames.
 
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tim-ay said:
If they really did stiffen it just a shade, that would be very tempting. Or I am tempted because TE has these in stock and no one seems to have the 315. TW was supposed to get some on 8/30 but notta. If I wait too long, I will lose interest realizing I really don't need any more frames.
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If you build a Briffidi, Limoncellos will come.

It's the fourth rule of Fight Club.
 
tim-ay

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JGads said:
If you build a Briffidi, Limoncellos will come.

It's the fourth rule of Fight Club.
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I saw TW is having a sale on Prince frames for US Labor Day. 25% off. Great deal. Except PK fight club just doesn’t have the room. And somehow another PK just makes sense.
 
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tim-ay said:
If they really did stiffen it just a shade, that would be very tempting. Or I am tempted because TE has these in stock and no one seems to have the 315. TW was supposed to get some on 8/30 but notta. If I wait too long, I will lose interest realizing I really don't need any more frames.
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Yeah I would love to see comps between the 2. I was leaning 300 when we just had the specs and the frames hadn't released yet.

Then I start think 315 now, but the SW of the 300 is pretty great. Also the 315 Banana was quite an adjustment from the Doppio. More than I really preferred.
 
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tim-ay said:
If they really did stiffen it just a shade, that would be very tempting. Or I am tempted because TE has these in stock and no one seems to have the 315. TW was supposed to get some on 8/30 but notta. If I wait too long, I will lose interest realizing I really don't need any more frames.
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I really wasn't joking about the espresso offer if you can do an L2. But if you go along with this plan, the joke will admittedly be on both of us because the frame is lost, despite what USPS tells me, so this incredible deal (and it truly would be) will never happen. You in?
 
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Pneumated1 said:
I really wasn't joking about the espresso offer if you can do an L2. But if you go along with this plan, the joke will admittedly be on both of us because the frame is lost, despite what USPS tells me, so this incredible deal (and it truly would be) will never happen. You in?
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If he is not, I still would give it a run. I am an L2.
 
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Power Player said:
If he is not, I still would give it a run. I am an L2.
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I'm told, if USPS can be trusted, that this is just the way international packages sometimes work. Multiply that by pandemic issues, and the problem is compounded. I only want to see how the frame feels/responds to know whether to purchase a Limoncello in my grip size. If it shows, I will reach out to see if you still have interest. Gads says the frame left Poland in great shape, and I know he can be trusted. The strings and stickers may have melted, but it'll hit. I'll be in touch if it shows.
 
tim-ay

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Pneumated1 said:
I really wasn't joking about the espresso offer if you can do an L2. But if you go along with this plan, the joke will admittedly be on both of us because the frame is lost, despite what USPS tells me, so this incredible deal (and it truly would be) will never happen. You in?
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Haha - all of my PK’s are L3. I doubt the espresso/limoncello will be a mystery to me by the time you get yours in, but I’m in if i haven’t bought one by then! We can Kumbuyyah together and maybe it will show up
 
Power Player

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Pneumated1 said:
I'm told, if USPS can be trusted, that this is just the way international packages sometimes work. Multiply that by pandemic issues, and the problem is compounded. I only want to see how the frame feels/responds to know whether to purchase a Limoncello in my grip size. If it shows, I will reach out to see if you still have interest. Gads says the frame left Poland in great shape. The strings and sticker may have melted, but it'll hit. I'll be in touch if it shows.
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Yeah that sounds good to me. And if I don't love it, ill send it onwards to another holic.
 
tim-ay

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Pneumated1 said:
I'll send it to PP first, then, @tim-ay, and if you decide by then (who knows when that may be) you must have it, I'm sure PP can forward it on. This one was meant to by a gypsy, obviously.
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If I make it through the weekend without a purchase it will be a true ‘holic miracle. :), but knowing this is in play might help. I’ve had the 300 in a cart 3 times already over the past few days. As i click on the 315 just to see date updates for L3’s.
 
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tim-ay said:
If I make it through the weekend without a purchase it will be a true ‘holic miracle. :), but knowing this is in play might help. I’ve had the 300 in a cart 3 times already over the past few days. As i click on the 315 just to see date updates for L3’s.
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The BA Pro will likely not be unseated for me. But I have to hit the 300g espresso/Limoncello. It's close enough for a comparison. It must be done. My gut tells me the 300 is the play because I can dial it in and keep it light. I'm hitting the BA Pro at 330g and 6pts hl, and it's a dream. And the Limoncellos are purportedly 330sw as well, so my mistake would be starting off 'too heavy.' Do what you must.
 
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So comparing the two Limoncellos, let's just call close enough on balance and swing weight, where are they hiding the extra 15g on the 315? Center (upper handle, throat, lower hoop)?
 
tim-ay

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Pneumated1 said:
So comparing the two Limoncellos, let's just call close enough on balance and swing weight, where are they hiding the extra 15g on the 315? Center (upper handle, throat, lower hoop)?
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It almost has to be lower handle or handle length/ evenly spread. I want to measure them on the SW1, lol. I really don’t think there can be any differences on the head with those numbers. I could do the math, but moving balance .5cm is going to take 15 grams along the handle. I’ve done it before, that’s what it takes. Unless you put it all near the butt cap.
 
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All the unstrung swingweights are listed by the manufacturer on the prokennex.eu website.
All the Q+ tour green/limoncello ones have an unstrung swingweight of 295.
Black ace 300 and black ace pro have the same unstrung swingweight of 295. The black ace 315 has an unstrung swingweight of 300.
The Q+ 5/5 pro (yellow) rackets have an unstrung swingweight of 300. The Q+ 5x has an unstrung swingweight of 295.

I really appreciate the fact that Prince and ProKennex list the unstrung swingweight on their rackets/website. The other manufacturers should do the same.
 
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tim-ay said:
It almost has to be lower handle or handle length/ evenly spread. I want to measure them on the SW1, lol. I really don’t think there can be any differences on the head with those numbers. I could do the math, but moving balance .5cm is going to take 15 grams along the handle. I’ve done it before, that’s what it takes. Unless you put it all near the butt cap.
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I did not realize it took that much weight to move balance a half cm on the handle, but that's actually good news to me because that tells me I could reshape the grip (7g on my BA Pro) and, depending on my grip of choice, have essentially the same frame, just a shade lighter than the 315, which is my goal. My BA Pro is 330g, 6hl with a reshaped grip and over grip, and it hits a big ball for me and is plenty stable. I'd expect the Limoncellos to be inherently more powerful and as stable if not more so.
 
tim-ay

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Pneumated1 said:
I did not realize it took that much weight to move balance a half cm on the handle, but that's actually good news to me because that tells me I could reshape the grip (7g on my BA Pro) and, depending on my grip of choice, have essentially the same frame, just a shade lighter than the 315, which is my goal. My BA Pro is 330g, 6hl with a reshaped grip and over grip, and it hits a big ball for me and is plenty stable. I'd expect the Limoncellos to be inherently more powerful and as stable if not more so.
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I was playing around with handle weight on one of my Doppio’s (305) and that’s what it took when spread evenly. I’m back at stock now and not really sure which I like best. I think the 330/330 SW/Static is a pretty great place to be if you can be there. Although 5 or 6 grams different static with 325-331SW seems to play very similarly too. Then things like twist weight can take over. I still need to hit more variety and measure with the SW1 to really figure this out.

But then again, PP and the boys hitting with 317SW on the Yonex makes me think it’s all just data overload, haha. We like what we like.
 
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tim-ay said:
I was playing around with handle weight on one of my Doppio’s (305) and that’s what it took when spread evenly. I’m back at stock now and not really sure which I like best. I think the 330/330 SW/Static is a pretty great place to be if you can be there. Although 5 or 6 grams different static with 325-331SW seems to play very similarly too. Then things like twist weight can take over. I still need to hit more variety and measure with the SW1 to really figure this out.

But then again, PP and the boys hitting with 317SW on the Yonex makes me think it’s all just data overload, haha. We like what we like.
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I think I'm probably between 325-330 sw on the BA Pro, but at 330g and 6hl, man does it work. But those specs don't tell it all. How they got a 15.1 TW out of a mid-50s RA is a modern feat. I can find no compromise, so you're right. I really like it even though I can't explain why in particular.
 
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TennisManiac said:
The 315 is the cream of the crop.
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I hope you're right but this chart has my 300g interest peaked. I weighed all of my most recent sticks – weighted up BLX 6.1 ProStaff 95, DR98, K7 Red & Lime, and TC100 – and they all come in under 12 oz all-in with OG, strings, and dampener. My 315s are 12.1 oz all-in right now.

At the end of the day, I need to remind myself that we're splitting hairs of PK awesomeness here. Let's see how long I can hold off scratching that itch!
 
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A_Instead

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The yellow ProKennex Ki Q 5 Pro and the Green Tour Pro 315 ..
US TW site doesn't have the Green 300..
 
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BPlain

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BPlain said:
I hope you're right but this chart has my 300g interest peaked. I weighed all of my most recent sticks – weighted up BLX 6.1 ProStaff 95, DR98, K7 Red & Lime, and TC100 – and they all come in under 12 oz all-in with OG, strings, and dampener. My 315s are 12.1 oz all-in right now.

At the end of the day, I need to remind myself that we're splitting hairs of PK awesomeness here. Let's see how long I can hold off scratching that itch!
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After this morning's session back on the green clay, I'm ordering a 300g version. I have no issues with the 315g itself and I think it would/will work out just fine on the hard courts but the honeymoon period is over and I've accepted being too old/slow for a 343g all-in frame - thin beam or not.

My old DR98 opened my eyes to using a lighter frame that's not quite as handle heavy but that's still plenty stable with good control and power. Here's hoping the 300g delivers the same for me in a thinner beam thanks to Lorenzo's magic beans! I'll keep everybody posted as my journey continues.
 
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BPlain said:
After this morning's session back on the green clay, I'm ordering a 300g version. I have no issues with the 315g itself and I think it would/will work out just fine on the hard courts but the honeymoon period is over and I've accepted being too old/slow for a 343g all-in frame - thin beam or not.

My old DR98 opened my eyes to using a lighter frame that's not quite as handle heavy but that's still plenty stable with good control and power. Here's hoping the 300g delivers the same for me in a thinner beam thanks to Lorenzo's magic beans! I'll keep everybody posted as my journey continues.
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Did I say one? I meant to say I ordered two. You all are a terrible influence...and thank you :)
 
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BPlain said:
After this morning's session back on the green clay, I'm ordering a 300g version. I have no issues with the 315g itself and I think it would/will work out just fine on the hard courts but the honeymoon period is over and I've accepted being too old/slow for a 343g all-in frame - thin beam or not.
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Your racket is 343 grams with just string, overgrip and dampener? Sounds like you got a heavier than normal frame to me. Your racket should weight 337 to 338 strung with overgrip and dampener.
 
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BPlain said:
After this morning's session back on the green clay, I'm ordering a 300g version. I have no issues with the 315g itself and I think it would/will work out just fine on the hard courts but the honeymoon period is over and I've accepted being too old/slow for a 343g all-in frame - thin beam or not.

My old DR98 opened my eyes to using a lighter frame that's not quite as handle heavy but that's still plenty stable with good control and power. Here's hoping the 300g delivers the same for me in a thinner beam thanks to Lorenzo's magic beans! I'll keep everybody posted as my journey continues.
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I think it's a good move because you can control your static weight, and if @tim-ay is correct and the difference is just handle weight, then you have room to play there as well and aren't locked into what PK gives you with the 315. And it's still coming in at 6pts hl, which has me curious whether the handle weight there is high or low. I'd like to know if it plays more polarized (my guess) or depolarized in stock form.
 
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tim-ay said:
Interesting… do you have any weight on the handle of the 300 or are you playing it stock?
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Added a leather grip and that's it. My racket came in at 299 grams after I took off the rubber collar thing by where the replacement grip is taped. With leather, ended up being 305 grams unstrung.
 
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I can't lie, one of the reasons I've put off demoing some ProKennex frames is I don't find the cosmetic attractive at all. it reminds me of nascar cars, with stickers and lettering all over.
 
SumYungGai

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puppybutts said:
I can't lie, one of the reasons I've put off demoing some ProKennex frames is I don't find the cosmetic attractive at all. it reminds me of nascar cars, with stickers and lettering all over.
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Yeah the green is a little better than the previous one IMO, but I was hoping for their white throat design to come back.
 
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Just received my racket. It's dead on spec! Exactly as advertised. Looks like Yonex has some competition. I've included a bunch of pictures comparing it to my trusty 2015 PS97. They are very similar in shape and overall specs. I'm not sure why some people have an issue with PK paint jobs. I really like the paint job on this Tour Pro. It's worth mentioning that this racket is very solid feeling from tip to handle. None of that hollow throat crap like Head and Babolat. Super solid!

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TennisManiac said:
Just received my racket. It's dead on spec! Exactly as advertised. Looks like Yonex has some competition. I've included a bunch of pictures comparing it to my trusty 2015 PS97. They are very similar in shape and overall specs. I'm not sure why some people have an issue with PK paint jobs. I really like the paint job on this Tour Pro. It's worth mentioning that this racket is very solid feeling from tip to handle. None of that hollow throat crap like Head and Babolat. Super solid!

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Sweet, I think PK's QC is the best I have experienced. Based on my swing weight machine, it's the tightest for sure.

The PJ is a personal thing, of course. That said, the newer models I think look pretty sharp. I personally think Yonex has the best PJs right now, but that's just me. Even if you don't like their color choices, the detail put into them is another level.

But really that's not a big deal. What matter most is how the frame hits. I am interested in how this one goes.
 
JGads

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Only thing I would change about the current paintjobs is the big "ProKennex" lettering on the outside of the frame. Otherwise I think the scheme and colors look great. There are much worse paintjobs out there so it's fine for me.
 
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BPlain said:
After this morning's session back on the green clay, I'm ordering a 300g version. I have no issues with the 315g itself and I think it would/will work out just fine on the hard courts but the honeymoon period is over and I've accepted being too old/slow for a 343g all-in frame - thin beam or not.
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You sure it’s not a SW vs static weight issue? The 315 Limoncello has a beefy 330 SW.

That’s why the the 300 is the way to go IMO for the class of 2021. My 2019 Espresso 315’s are just about 12oz with an OG and damp, but cut through the air like demons because of the lower SW (~320).

PK did do something to the layup though because they upped the SW while keeping balance and static weight the same vs the 2019. Limoncellos appear to be more polarized.

Although 10 SW pts is only like 3 grams at 12.
 
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el sergento said:
You sure it’s not a SW vs static weight issue? The 315 Limoncello has a beefy 330 SW.

That’s why the the 300 is the way to go IMO for the class of 2021. My 2019 Espresso 315’s are just about 12oz with an OG and damp, but cut through the air like demons because of the lower SW (~320).

PK did do something to the layup though because they upped the SW while keeping balance and static weight the same vs the 2019. Limoncellos appear to be more polarized.

Although 10 SW pts is only like 3 grams at 12.
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Hadn’t thought about it from that angle before but you could be right. I suppose we’ll see when my 300s arrive next week!
 
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