Proof that fed uses the REAL wilson 90

[master935]

for the review and coments

click here and scroll down
http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html

The racket that is talked about is the wilson n90, but I see no reason that he would use a PJ on his new k-factor either.

Thanks goes out to greg for making the site and posting "specs: nadal and peas racquet specs" with a link to his site.

 

[jamauss]

I don't think many people argue against Roger using a non-PJ'd K-Factor. It's just that not everyone has a Wilson "Pro Room" at their disposal to highly customize their sticks like Federer does. From what I've read on these boards most of us are more curious about how he's had it customized.

 

[master935]

You are so wrong. Any thread that has something to do with feds racquet in it has at least five guys saying that it is a paint job with an old prostaff underneath.

 

[kingdaddy41788]

interesting...

The only evidence I can see that suggests that he is NOT using the new K Factor, is that it has the old black/red/white Wilson buttcap and not the new black and silver one.

It's entirely possible that he can feel some difference between the two buttcaps, but I find it to be rather curious that he would use an old buttcap due to a minor difference in feeling. Maybe it's superstition?

 

[BreakPoint]

Federer has been using the same 90 sq. in. racquet for over 4 years now with various paintjobs on it (which is one reason it still has the same butt cap). The K90 is closest thing to what he has been using for the past 4 years.

BTW, that playtest of Federer's nCode 90 was posted by Greg Raven about a year ago.

 

[RafaN RichardG]

a little off topic but...does he repaint the same racquets, or does Wilson make him a whole new batch with the same specs every time theres a new paint job, because wouldn't over time all the painting and repainting affect the racquet

 

[N4n45h1]

i would assume that they make him a new batch every time around

 

[BreakPoint]

a little off topic but...does he repaint the same racquets, or does Wilson make him a whole new batch with the same specs every time theres a new paint job, because wouldn't over time all the painting and repainting affect the racquet

Of course, he gets a new batch. He probably gets a new batch every month even if the paintjob hasn't changed.

 

[Mr. Sean]

You think feds "fed k90" has the same feel as a st vincent ps 85 or a modern china 6.0 85.

 

[Stringer_Steve]

Of course, he gets a new batch. He probably gets a new batch every month even if the paintjob hasn't changed.

Actually as I posted in another thread, he gets 12 frames at a time, five times a year. This is per Michael Wallace himself, Wilson's Global Tour Director.

 

[master935]

See jamauss. I posted a thread talking about feds racquet, and all I get are a bunch of a-hole club hackers who complain that" if only I had feds racquet I could play like him to"

 

[Fedace]

Federer has been using the same 90 sq. in. racquet for over 4 years now with various paintjobs on it (which is one reason it still has the same butt cap). The K90 is closest thing to what he has been using for the past 4 years.

BTW, that playtest of Federer's nCode 90 was posted by Greg Raven about a year ago.

This is not true, roger was using Ncode 90 for last 2 years, you can tell by the distinct sound of ncode rackets

 

[LarougeNY]

This is not true, roger was using Ncode 90 for last 2 years, you can tell by the distinct sound of ncode rackets

or different grommets. He probably uses an n-coded PS 90, under the k paintjob.

 

[BreakPoint]

This is not true, roger was using Ncode 90 for last 2 years, you can tell by the distinct sound of ncode rackets

So you're saying that the sound has changed now that he's switched to the K90? Can you really tell the difference in sound on TV between the nCode 90 and the K90? Are you sure it wasn't just a difference in string tension or the acoustics of the venue that he was playing in?

 

[master935]

So you're saying that the sound has changed now that he's switched to the K90? Can you really tell the difference in sound on TV between the nCode 90 and the K90? Are you sure it wasn't just a difference in string tension or the acoustics of the venue that he was playing in?

Who said that he was watching tv? How do you know that he wasn't at the event?

 

[kingdaddy41788]

Wow

This is not true, roger was using Ncode 90 for last 2 years, you can tell by the distinct sound of ncode rackets

You can't be serious. First of all, just look at a picture and you can plainly see that the string pattern is not that of an Ncode 90. Second, look at the area above the grip. It's much longer on Federer's racquet than on the stock version, which is a pretty huge difference.

 

[alu16L]

Actually as I posted in another thread, he gets 12 frames at a time, five times a year. This is per Michael Wallace himself, Wilson's Global Tour Director.

Sounds like someone just came back from Vegas

 

[tennis_hand]

His racket is different from any retail racket. But on which model is his customized is up to you to believe. You can say it is a PS90 with a paint job, or u can say it is a K90, or K90 with a paint job.

 

[jakshemash]

The only evidence I can see that suggests that he is NOT using the new K Factor, is that it has the old black/red/white Wilson buttcap and not the new black and silver one.

It's entirely possible that he can feel some difference between the two buttcaps, but I find it to be rather curious that he would use an old buttcap due to a minor difference in feeling. Maybe it's superstition?

I think that is done to differenciate federer's racquets from stock K-factors. This is because with the ncodes not only did his version have a longer pallet which the stock didn't but he also had his signature on the racquet, which, again the stock version did not. However with the new k90 thy have added all the things his racquet had to the stock version including the string pattern which i forgot about earlier and the signature and the long pallet. So this is basically done as a way to differenciate federer's racquet from the stock ones.

 

[kingdaddy41788]

I suppose that makes sense, it just seems odd since I don't think other pro players have different butt caps to differentiate from stock...

 

[BreakPoint]

I suppose that makes sense, it just seems odd since I don't think other pro players have different butt caps to differentiate from stock...

Actually, many do. Take a look at the pros sponsored by Volkl.

 

[kingdaddy41788]

Haha what pros sponsored by volkl?? Just kidding, there's stepanek and Damm, right?

 

[Stringer_Steve]

Sounds like someone just came back from Vegas

Vegas baby!!!!
Were you there too? What a great global launch!

 

[Stringer_Steve]

His racket is different from any retail racket. But on which model is his customized is up to you to believe. You can say it is a PS90 with a paint job, or u can say it is a K90, or K90 with a paint job.

You base this assumption on what?

 

[drakulie]

Fed is playing with a ps 85.

 

[Stringer_Steve]

Fed is playing with a ps 85.

Ummmm, ok :roll:

 

[drakulie]

^^ I'm just kidding. I always throw that in these threads when his racquet is debated>>>> Since it is the last known racquet that everyone agrees was not a paintjob of something else.

 

[[K]aotic]

The only evidence I can see that suggests that he is NOT using the new K Factor, is that it has the old black/red/white Wilson buttcap and not the new black and silver one.

It's entirely possible that he can feel some difference between the two buttcaps, but I find it to be rather curious that he would use an old buttcap due to a minor difference in feeling. Maybe it's superstition?

just cuz the buttcap is different, doesn't mean that its a different racquet. maybe he wanted it to be more head heavy and put on a different lighter butt cap...

 

[alu16L]

Vegas baby!!!!
Were you there too? What a great global launch!

Yeah, I was there as well. It was a lot of fun.

 

[califsurferboy33]

you can tell in that pic that he uses power pads on the bottom of his string bed

 

[Teh_pwnerer]

doesnt this video show you what K factor is? =O

 

[califsurferboy33]

Oh and does anyone find it terrible that Nike told us that Federer wore the new nike air zoom 3 shoes all throughout 2006 while he was just wearing his nike air zoom speed shoes the whole time? I mean come on.

 

[tennis_hand]

You base this assumption on what?

if only you can buy a racket that is identical to his.

 

[BreakPoint]

Oh and does anyone find it terrible that Nike told us that Federer wore the new nike air zoom 3 shoes all throughout 2006 while he was just wearing his nike air zoom speed shoes the whole time? I mean come on.

And those weren't even real Vapor Speed shoes, either. Just a paintjob of one! I.e., custom made shoes using the tread pattern of the Vapor Speed and the uppers of the Vapor III. Who knows what kind of cushioning is really on the inside?

 

[Fedace]

You can't be serious. First of all, just look at a picture and you can plainly see that the string pattern is not that of an Ncode 90. Second, look at the area above the grip. It's much longer on Federer's racquet than on the stock version, which is a pretty huge difference.

You cannot be serious, everyone knows that federer uses different version of Ncode 90 than sold in the stores, that is the explaination for the differerce in the looks. It is in the TW thread, if you do the search

 

[kingdaddy41788]

You cannot be serious, everyone knows that federer uses different version of Ncode 90 than sold in the stores, that is the explaination for the differerce in the looks. It is in the TW thread, if you do the search

Where does it say anywhere that he plays with a version of the nCode 90? Who's to say that Federer used any nCode racquet? The guy who said it sounded different? You've GOT to be kidding.

 

[onkystomper]

The only evidence I can see that suggests that he is NOT using the new K Factor, is that it has the old black/red/white Wilson buttcap and not the new black and silver one.

It's entirely possible that he can feel some difference between the two buttcaps, but I find it to be rather curious that he would use an old buttcap due to a minor difference in feeling. Maybe it's superstition?

According to **** the buttcap / handle is the most important part of the feel of any racquet and is therefore bery very rarely changed, even when the frame is changed

 

[kingdaddy41788]

According to **** the buttcap / handle is the most important part of the feel of any racquet and is therefore bery very rarely changed, even when the frame is changed

forgive me for sounding ignorant, but what is ****?

 

[dr_punk]

this is ridiculous. if a racquet sounds different, looks different, and feels different, its NOT the same, so don't think otherwise. Having a different string pattern, butt cap, palette, it all matters. It's like saying the cars the use at nascar are the same ones you buy at the dealer. The whole point of the debate is that you can't get the racquet roger uses at the store no matter what you read

 

[David L]

You're all nuts. Who cares? It's not like you're going to play like Federer if you use his racket.

Because some people use paint jobs, does not mean everyone does. Federer's racket is customized, which he acknowledges, but all evidence suggests the in store rackets are not far off. If Federer bought one off the shelf and weighted it himself, as any of you can, he would still win as he does now. The difference would not be that drastic. Best you work on your games, rather than treat Federer's racket as the answer to your technical problems. Regarding the Nascar analogy, there is a lot more room for divergence with the level of technology in motor racing than there is with tennis rackets, for this reason it was not a good analogy. The main lesson to take from Federer's weapon of choice is he ops for greater flexibility, feel and control with good power, over a pure power racket. He goes for a thin beam and relies on his technique and lower string tensions to generate power. If he picked up a Head or some other makes racket with these general characteristics, he would still win as he does, after some getting used to period. Since he has the option to customize and optimize his stick, however, why not.

 

[Custom+Hybrid]

forgive me for sounding ignorant, but what is ****?

some kinda racquet service place

they have a "champion's clientele" if you know what i mean

 

[VolklVenom]

what most of you guys are missing is the fact that yes the new k90 has the spec's of Feds old ncode, but there are still differences between the new k90 and Feds racket.
The major factor being that Fed has never used the Wilson "Nanotechnology".

 

[EricW]

what most of you guys are missing is the fact that yes the new k90 has the spec's of Feds old ncode, but there are still differences between the new k90 and Feds racket.
The major factor being that Fed has never used the Wilson "Nanotechnology".

Elaborate, please?

 

[alan-n]

what most of you guys are missing is the fact that yes the new k90 has the spec's of Feds old ncode, but there are still differences between the new k90 and Feds racket.
The major factor being that Fed has never used the Wilson "Nanotechnology".

So are the differences in construction and material build up or simply just lead weight?

If it uses the same construction material, same grommets, same string pattern, same paint lay up. Yep its the same racquet. Lead weight can be adjustable and Pros adjust their racquets based on conditions and opponents.

 

[ilian]

It's not like you're going to play like Federer if you use his racket.

How do you know for sure? Did anyone try? Did everybody try? How can you be sure of your statement then?

 

[Pro Staff Pete]

 

[Azzurri]

just cuz the buttcap is different, doesn't mean that its a different racquet. maybe he wanted it to be more head heavy and put on a different lighter butt cap...

I read somewhere that the new grip pallets are a little bigger than the N90 and previous versions. Maybe this is the reason he has the Ncode butt cap...he preffered the slighlty smalled pallet? I could be way off....but just a thought.

 

[Swissv2]

I will be giving you guys a better analysis of Feds racquet soon.

Fed does NOT use retail version for string pattern, but the headsize is 90. According to a previous post by Greg Raven, Fed's old ncode racquet was very similar to the ncode feel itself, not to similar to the old ProStaff - but customized in a way that had a shorter grip and tighter string pattern.


Hense...the sale of the "Federer n-Code racquet" in Japan - which had the same string pattern AND the shorter handle.

Pictures coming soon.

 

[excelcier]

secret: the grommet on the racquet is like babolats woofer technoledgy. mabye............

 

[Azzurri]

I will be giving you guys a better analysis of Feds racquet soon.

Fed does NOT use retail version for string pattern, but the headsize is 90. According to a previous post by Greg Raven, Fed's old ncode racquet was very similar to the ncode feel itself, not to similar to the old ProStaff - but customized in a way that had a shorter grip and tighter string pattern.


Hense...the sale of the "Federer n-Code racquet" in Japan - which had the same string pattern AND the shorter handle.

Pictures coming soon.

I guess I need to see the pics. I have seen the Japan version on the bay and I never saw the shorter pallet.