Proof that fed uses the REAL wilson 90

[Swissv2]

I guess I need to see the pics. I have seen the Japan version on the bay and I never saw the shorter pallet.

http://www.tennis-scheduler.com/fedracquet/

First, a direct comparison between a known racquet size (Nadal's Racquet) and Federer's racquet. You can do the ( pixel-by-pixel )analysis as you wish. I included the full picture.

*notable* as you can see, Federer's racquet is not much smaller than Nadal's racquet. Otherwise, we should all assume that Babolat makes 85 sq. inch. racquets.

http://www.tennis-scheduler.com/fedracquet/study2.htm

Second, the "RETAIL VERSION" available in Japan. Notice the shorter pallet, the "appropriate" string pattern, and the "Federer signature".

*notable *This is the very beginning of an understanding that Federer's racquet, though not retail, did have elements of the nCode Six-One manufacturing in it - and was NOT a painted, 85 sq. inch. Pro-Staff 6.0.

http://www.tennis-scheduler.com/fedracquet/study3.htm

Third, pictures from Greg Raven's link when he was able to test out the racquet Federer used. Notice the common elements (tighter string pattern, shorter pallet) that differentiates the racquet from retail, but according to Mr. Raven - the racquet played surprisingly similar, despite some minor differences, to retail.

*notable* The head size was NOT 85 sq. inch. The racquet DID NOT feel like a normal PS 6.0. Among other things.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Strange, on the Japan racket it says pattern: 18x20, but the racket is 16x19...

 

[db379]

Thanks for pics of the japan version, they really show that the japan version is clearly a different racquet than the one sold to the rest of the world. The string pattern is different and the pallet is longer like on the one Roger uses. I wonder why Wilson would build two different versions of the n code and sell one version in japan and the other to the rest of us??

 

[Azzurri]

Thanks for the pics Swiss! Too bad Wilson decided to sell the Fed racquet in Japan and no where else.

 

[drakulie]

Third, pictures from Greg Raven's link when he was able to test out the racquet Federer used.

Greg was able to actually get his hands on one of Feds racquets and playtest it? That was no my understanding (I may be wrong). Perhaps I read something different that Greg put together.

Do you have the link?

By the way, great pics Swiss!

 

[federer_nadal]

that one may be fake since it says 18x20 on the throat but is the normal string pattern...

 

[jakshemash]

The 18x20 was a paintjobbed pro staff original.

For those that say that Federer doesn't use a K-six 1 tour 90, stringer steve on these boards spoke to the wilson guy in charge of pro equipment and he said that fed used a K-six 1 tour 90 that was obviously, customised to his own liking, i.e weight, balance. etc.

To back up the fact that the guy was not just trying to sell a product the guy even mentioned that the bryan brothers use paintjobs of a particular racquet. (Don't know which racquet it was)

p.s. Do any of you have pics of what is written on the side of Federer's k90 because my friend said he saw one and that where [K]arbon black/[K]arophite black should be on a frame it was blank. I'm not sure whether i believe him so wanted to know whether any of you had pictures.


Thanks,

Jakshemash

 

[dr_punk]

great pictures! are you saying these "real" roger fed. racquets were on sale in japan?

 

[drakulie]

^^^they are ncode 90s' that were only available in Japan.

Many times Wilson will make racquets in the U.S. and then make a counterpart which is lighter for the Japanese market. They did this with the k-90 as well.

 

[Swissv2]

great pictures! are you saying these "real" roger fed. racquets were on sale in japan?

I feel I am misinterpreting your response a bit, but...

in Japan, Federer has quite a following. I am sure many people put two-and-two together and figured out that the original nCode version they were playing with was not the same as the highly customized version that they have seen Federer use. They must have been very interested purchasing something official (from Wilson) with as close to the specifications of the actual Federer racquet.

They released the "Federer" nCode Six-One in Japan, at a very high price, and then talks of releasing a k-factor racquet would enable Wilson to reduce the price and market to a wider audience globally.

 

[dr_punk]

^^^they are ncode 90s' that were only available in Japan.

Many times Wilson will make racquets in the U.S. and then make a counterpart which is lighter for the Japanese market. They did this with the k-90 as well.

Yeah, the so called "asian" racquets... I just see that n90 with a longer palette and I guess a different string pattern so I just assumed it was an "n90" closer resembling feds actual playing racquet

 

[BreakPoint]

http://www.tennis-scheduler.com/fedracquet/study2.htm

Second, the "RETAIL VERSION" available in Japan. Notice the shorter pallet, the "appropriate" string pattern, and the "Federer signature".

*notable *This is the very beginning of an understanding that Federer's racquet, though not retail, did have elements of the nCode Six-One manufacturing in it - and was NOT a painted, 85 sq. inch. Pro-Staff 6.0.

The Federer Signature Edition sold only in Japan DID have the same length handle pallet as the retail nSix-One Tour's sold in the U.S. and the Asian versions sold in Asia (including Japan), meaning they had the long handle pallet (unlike the PS 6.0 nor K90)

There are actually three different racquets in those pics from that link above.

First pic is of an actual racquet used by Federer as he signed it in person on top of the handle.

The 3rd to 5th pics are of the Federer Signature Edition sold only in Japan last year. Note the long handle pallet (short neck), and the 4 cross strings at the PWS.

The pics at the bottom (6th to 9th) are of a PS 6.0 85 with a nSix-One Tour 90 paintjob on it, like the ones that Jim Courier was playing with. Note the top corners of the "V" in the throat are curved instead of sharp angled cutouts like on the retail nCodes, and the shorter handle pallet (longer neck).

So don't be confused, there are actually three very different racquets on that page.

 

[Swissv2]

The Federer Signature Edition sold only in Japan DID have the same length handle pallet as the retail nSix-One Tour's sold in the U.S. and the Asian versions sold in Asia (including Japan), meaning they had the long handle pallet (unlike the PS 6.0 nor K90)

There are actually three different racquets in those pics from that link above.

First pic is of an actual racquet used by Federer as he signed it in person on top of the handle.

The 3rd to 5th pics are of the Federer Signature Edition sold only in Japan last year. Note the long handle pallet (short neck), and the 4 cross strings at the PWS.

The pics at the bottom (6th to 9th) are of a PS 6.0 85 with a nSix-One Tour 90 paintjob on it, like the ones that Jim Courier was playing with. Note the top corners of the "V" in the throat are curved instead of sharp angled cutouts like on the retail nCodes, and the shorter handle pallet (longer neck).

So don't be confused, there are actually three very different racquets on that page.

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Swissv2]

If this was an actual PJ, then it is one heck of a well done PJ~!

 

[db379]

Thanks for the explanations of the different pics Breakpoint, and for relieving the confusion about the japanese version of the n code. Now, I think things are clear: wilson has not made a completely different version just for the japanese market . I guess the only difference is the signature of roger on the side and the price!

 

[BreakPoint]

If this was an actual PJ, then it is one heck of a well done PJ~!

That is most definitely a paintjob of a PS 6.0 85. No doubt whatsoever. Jim Courier amongst other pros used it.

Yeah, paintjobs are done at the same factories that paint the retail racquets so they should look pretty much the same.

Have you seen this other thread in the Racquets forum with pics of a PS 6.0 95 with the same nSix-One Tour paintjob on it?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=126913

 

[BreakPoint]

Thanks for the explanations of the different pics Breakpoint, and for relieving the confusion about the japanese version of the n code. Now, I think things are clear: wilson has not made a completely different version just for the japanese market . I guess the only difference is the signature of roger on the side and the price!

No problem.

BTW, in addition to Roger's signature on the side, the Federer Signature Edition sold in Japan also had the wider string spacing at the PWS just like on Roger's actual racquet and now on the retail K90. Remember also that in Japan, the regular retail version was the lighter (11.3 oz., 320g unstrung) Asian version of the nSix-One Tour 90, so another thing that made this Signature Edition special in the Japanese market was that it was heavier than the normal Asian version, as it was the same exact weight (12.0 oz., 340g unstrung) as the regular U.S. version.

 

[kingdaddy41788]

That is most definitely a paintjob of a PS 6.0 85. No doubt whatsoever. Jim Courier amongst other pros used it.

Yeah, paintjobs are done at the same factories that paint the retail racquets so they should look pretty much the same.

Have you seen this other thread in the Racquets forum with pics of a PS 6.0 95 with the same nSix-One Tour paintjob on it?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=126913

Problem: the "painted PS 6.0 85" has an 18 X 20 string pattern. And says a 95 Sq. in head???

 

[Ronaldo]

If this was an actual PJ, then it is one heck of a well done PJ~!

How did Wilson disguise the extra weight in the throat John Cauthen mentions?

 

[psp2]

Problem: the "painted PS 6.0 85" has an 18 X 20 string pattern. And says a 95 Sq. in head???

The specs painted doesn't mean anything. I have a PS85 with a Tour90 pj that says "90 sq. in." on the throat.

 

[nickb]

"How did Wilson disguise the extra weight in the throat John Cauthen mentions?"

LOL....my message is too short.

 

[Ronaldo]

"How did Wilson disguise the extra weight in the throat John Cauthen mentions?"

LOL....my message is too short.

Well, Wilson did take his magic stick away after the Aus Open. Wanna see this Holy Grail.

 

[Fries-N-Gravy]

how many threads are there about this now? Maybe we will never know the truth, and that it really doesn't matter, having federer's racquet as opposed to yours won't really make you atp material and i'm sure he could use a different racquet and still be no 1. MOST IMPORTANTLY, not having his racquet will not prevent you from being a better player. Its really annoying when teenagers brag about their new racquet on the court and which pro uses it. I guess forums are here for us to argue but some people take it way to personally

My take is, if you think about it logically:
-his racquet has four strings on the PWS, which is what the pro staff 85/95 has
-it also has that longer section where the throat and handle meet, like the 85/95
-it has the same shape as the 85/95
-its slightly heavier, which the 85/95 is, this may or may not mean anything, it may just be error in manufacture.

however, the V on the federer racquet is rounder like the retail, than the originals which have a sharper v
it really isn't that hard for them to make racquets from the same mold and drill holes in differents places. perhaps federer's hole spacing, they realized is harder for amateurs to hit with

i think some people feel that its impossible that he's using the same frame as retail because he has no skill and its all in the racquet.

 

[BreakPoint]

Problem: the "painted PS 6.0 85" has an 18 X 20 string pattern. And says a 95 Sq. in head???

It's a PAINTJOB!!! Get it? What you see is NOT what you get. Does it really matter what it says on the spec sticker they put on there to disguise the racquet? After all, the whole idea of a paintjob is to make people think it's a different racquet, right?

BTW, in addition to not being a "95" nor a "18x20", it's not an nCode 90, either.

 

[jkonecne]

Ok I will end this for good. When I see him this summer in Cincinnati I will ask him to his face!

 

[superstition]

Like he's at liberty to discuss paint jobs when under contract...

 

[Greg Raven]

[...]Third, pictures from Greg Raven's link [...]

As long as you've taken copies of the photos from my website to post on your website, at the very least I would expect you to name me as the source on this page on your website, and give me credit as the source.

Just because it's easy to steal something doesn't make it right.

 

[Greg Raven]

Greg was able to actually get his hands on one of Feds racquets and playtest it? That was no my understanding (I may be wrong). Perhaps I read something different that Greg put together.

Do you have the link?

[...]

See:

http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/federer_playtest.html

 

[drakulie]

^^Greg, thanks for the follow-up.

My questions is, "Did you playtest a racquet Roger Federer actually played with?"

In other words, did he or anyone else give you one of his "personal" racquets to playtest?

Thanks!

 

[Greg Raven]

I playtested a racquet sent to USRSA by the Wilson Pro Room. As far as I know, Roger himself never touched that racquet.

 

[103xStateChamp]

Every one wants to be like federer and use his gear but noone puts the time and effort in to be like him.

 

[drakulie]

I playtested a racquet sent to USRSA by the Wilson Pro Room. As far as I know, Roger himself never touched that racquet.

Thanks Greg for the clarification, and nice job on the reviews.

 

[tennis_balla]

i cant believe people are still talking about this years and years onward what federer uses, who cares. even if you had his exact racket in your hand from his bag 15min before the final of wimbledon and went on a court to hit with it i doubt your game would improve lol. if federer played with a wilson kramer people would go out and try and buy some to be like him. i know someone who owns a tennis shop in san antonio who's seen and held one of federer's rackets from the aus open. it even has a made in china sticker on it like the rest tho i'm sure his are from a special batch just for him. his might be of a tad different weight and flex then the stock k90. but ffs people just play tennis and play with what suits you best not what who uses what. ommgggzzzz like federer strung with racket with weed wacker string @ 29.45lbs on an early 90's babolat electronic stringer and like is hitting amazing spins, i must now do the same

 

[tennis_hand]

Every one wants to be like federer and use his gear but noone puts the time and effort in to be like him.

it's why the companies sell rackets painted like the pros.