Proper toss on Flat and slice- just changed it

[dgold44]

I posted my serve video and some said my toss is too far to the right ( LEE said this). Well.. I have been experimenting with the toss and he is 100 percent correct.

I was tossing for my Flat- to the right of my hitting shoulder and my slice was even more to the right.

After reading some articles: they all said you can toss for Flat between your head and hitting shoulder and for Slice either identical toss to flat or only slightly to right.

So this means Flat is about 12:30 and Slice is about 12:30 to 12:45 or so.

Very interesting. You should never toss to the right of your hitting shoulder, then !!!!

Last 2 weeks I tried tossing more center and was able to hit more flat serves and my slice serve was far better because it finally had power and was hard.

Many pros always told me to toss to 1 or 2 and this is 100 percent incorrect.

 

[dgold44]

Feel tennis guru says toss is identical on both flat and slice and between head and hitting shoulder

He tosses on kick over his head which is most popular

Feel tennis is the best
So that means 1230 or so on flat and slice

 

[TennisCJC]

I agree. Especially agree that toss should never be to R of hitting shoulder. For R handed server, the hand should be outside of ball at contact. You cannot do this if you toss R of hitting shoulder unless you swing side arm like Elana Dementiava used to do when she chased tosses to her right

 

[dgold44]

I agree. Especially agree that toss should never be to R of hitting shoulder. For R handed server, the hand should be outside of ball at contact. You cannot do this if you toss R of hitting shoulder unless you swing side arm like Elana Dementiava used to do when she chased tosses to her right

I moved my toss to left and my slice serve finally looks like a slice serve and gave me a few aces
Every pro over yrs all insisted the right on toss
Well I research now and no top sever does this
So my slice serve is another step forward

 

[Aretium]

The issue is, if you toss to the right, it will kill your pace = racket head speed. I think the 1-2 o clock for slice serves is taught to beginners. But it is much easier to toss 12or 12.30 for all serves and change the swingpath. I even use a lot of topspin on slice serves (1st serve) and still loads of pace.

 

[dgold44]

The issue is, if you toss to the right, it will kill your pace = racket head speed. I think the 1-2 o clock for slice serves is taught to beginners. But it is much easier to toss 12or 12.30 for all serves and change the swingpath. I even use a lot of topspin on slice serves (1st serve) and still loads of pace.

I thought my serve was making good progress.
Then tonight it was terrible. I hit about 30 percent of my first serves in and double faulted 8 times in 2 sets.
Not very happy. I better serve a bucket on Sunday before my challenge match in the afternoon.
Luckily my opponent doubled about 12 times lol
Luckily my backhand was sharp

 

[dgold44]

The issue is, if you toss to the right, it will kill your pace = racket head speed. I think the 1-2 o clock for slice serves is taught to beginners. But it is much easier to toss 12or 12.30 for all serves and change the swingpath. I even use a lot of topspin on slice serves (1st serve) and still loads of pace.

yes the 12 to 1230 for all serves sounds like a winner.
12 for kick
1230 for the other two.

I have been tossing to the right for 20 yrs until a few weeks ago I spend about 20 hours watching youtube videos on ball toss and every single one was in the range you said.
Another example of lousy tennis pros who cannot teach the serve.
STill its my fault for not researching.

 

[dgold44]

I also just learned that you should hold the ball on your finger tips to prevent bad tosses .
Holding on your palm causes you to spin the toss.

Another point nobody told me about .
Thanks google

 

[Aretium]

I also just learned that you should hold the ball on your finger tips to prevent bad tosses .
Holding on your palm causes you to spin the toss.

Another point nobody told me about .
Thanks google

I honestly find it worse with the fingertips. I hold the ball with my fingers but not the tips. The thumb is sort of to the right of the top of the ball.

Is this the fingertips? If you use just the fingertips, the ball is furthest from the wrist joint, so any wrist involved will make the toss worse. For me, hand is relaxed, also the "ice cream cone" hold of the ball is wrong as well, the fingers should be slightly underneath as seen by roger above. The ball toss is driven by the arm not the hand. Basically I start my ball toss in the same place, next to the thigh and just drive my tossing elbow up, whatever happens with my fingers I have no idea as they are relaxed and my arm is straight during the whole process. I rarely throw the ball too far over my head, usually I will get nerves and my tossing arm has a hitch or slows down and the ball ends up short and to the right. If I focus on my toss, usually will have a good serving day.