Discussion in 'Racquets' started by PhxRacket, Apr 16, 2013.
10 humble pies
This is funny. This will be the fourth time I post this. Just let me know specifically which word you don't understand so I don't have to repost this a
You know what? I take it all back.....this racquet does indeed vibrate!!!
I played 3 hours earlier this afternoon. The P1 isn't my normal stick - that's the BLX Juice Pro - but I gave both a good outing as I was intrigued by your comments in this thread.
The Juice Pro (346g) is rock solid, hefty, super stable without even a hint of vibration. Played for about 2 hours with it.
After about 2 hours, I switched to the P1. Noticeably more manouverable than the Juice Pro and easier to whip round despite its mass being orientated more in the head (rather than in the throat and handle area like the Juice Pro).
But compared to the Juice Pro, the P1 was noticeably less stable (despite it weighing 337g with all the bits - lead, OG etc). It simply doesn't have that 'solid block of hardwood' feel that the Juice Pro has. It felt lightweight and less stable against my opponent. It seems to lack mass.
Interestingly, the P1 felt very plush when hitting the ball in the centre of the sweetspot (no vibrations) but striking the ball outside the sweetspot and the P1 did indeed.....vibrate. And you feel you vibrations thoughout the frame. I think I would need more playing time with this to decide whether or not the vibrations are terrible or too off putting, but they are definitely noticeable.
All rather odd. The other thing I noticed and can say for 100% sure is the headsize is closer to a 95sq" - its definitely smaller than the Juice Pro and probably about the size of my 6.1 95, maybe fractionally bigger but not much, if at all.
I was playing outdoors today and I can't say that I ever noticed this vibration issue on the previous occasions I hit with the P1 (which were indoors). Maybe new balls and a big hitting opponent were contributory factors. Also the strings (poly/synth gut hybrid) in the P1 had already about 4 hours of hitting on them previously, so not sure if that was a contributor (probably not).
So, based on today's experience, any ball hit immediately outside of the sweetspot does indeed cause the racquet to vibrate...probably more so than other racquets I've tried.
I will happily admit that I will have to eat humble pie on this occasion....
Holy crap I think hell has just frozen over .
It's still an incredible stick.
Not sure that I agree that its an 'incredible stick'. There are elements of greatness in there trying to get out, but I think it needs to be a bit more stable, be heavier, and those vibrations outside of the sweetspot need to be taken out (I'm being serious).
I just wonder whether its the 'carbon composite' Xenecore that's causing the problem. It seems to be a proprietary manufacturing process:
Strange that they talk improved 'shock absorption'. It's clearly a different manufacturing process to what's normally used:
If they could bring out a 'Tour' version that corrects those issues, I'd be very interested. Then again, I think I might try bringing the P1 up to about c345g with some lead a 3,6,9,12 and some more weight in the handle and see how it plays....
I think you were just the victim of a honeymoon period.
I do think it's still a great stick....but for me it's down to the vortex tour or the Wilson 99s.
I can't decide.
It it doesn't surpass your current stick, then don't switch.
Regarding the vibrations, i found this true on shots struck near the tip.The 3g slide weight at 12 didn't improve the situation much, but a single layer of lead tape from 11 to 1 did.
I don't think so. I tend to evaluate racquets over a long period of time, typically several weeks to a few months in a variety of situations and with different strings, before coming to a definitive view about, unless of course there's a deal breaker that I notice early on.
With the P1, I'm still in the evaluation period but I initially had been playing with in exclusively indoors over the winter. It played pretty well. With the improvement in the weather and also this thread, I gave it a good outdoor playtest, where the vibrations became apparent.
Not bad enough for me to the ditch it but on slower outdoor courts, the main thing I noticed was actually the lack of stability and mass against big hitters. It just doesn't have the beef and solidity of my Juice Pro. Needs lead, but I just don't have the time to fiddle with it at the moment.
The P1 is about different to those stick as you can possibly get....
How so ? I've actually played with both and I disagree . And remember you at first disagreed with me before about the P1 and now agree
There are many different Vortex's and I only talking about the tour version .....the TOUR version.
The tour versions are about the same size, weight , and thickness.....the only real difference between the two is the string pattern .
Again I am stressing only the vortex TOUR versions....specifically the tour 95 & 100.
You're asking me what the difference betwen a P1 and two racquets with a weird string pattern?
It's not "weird" it's just more open. It's based actually on the Mark woodforde racquet who is one of the greatest doubles players in the history of tennis.
Wilson saw how great the pattern is and did something similar in their steam sticks .
I believe prince also came out with a very open pattern as well.
The only main differences between the Donnay and the Vortex tours is the pattern and the stiffness.
Being more stiff they have solved the Donnay vibration issues.
Here take a look at the comparison :
Donnay- 97 sq. in.
Vortex tour- 95 or 100
Donnay Length: 27in
Vortex ...27 in
Donnay Strung Weight: 11.5oz
Vortex strung weight : 11.5
Donnay strung Balance: 4 pts HL
Vortex strung balance : 6 pts hl
Donnay Stiffness: 64
Vortex stiffness : 70
Donnay Beam Width: 21.5mm
Vortex beam width : 21.5mm
Donnay pattern 16x19
Vortex pattern 14x17
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