Pros NOT REALLY Using Their Sponsor's Racquets?

[BreakPoint]

Originally posted by vsbabolat:

"I was curious also this so I called Wilson and asked. I was told that the new Ksix-one Tour 90 is NOT double braided or braided graphite and Kevlar by a Wilson representative."

I'm sure they can lie about certain things, but not about racket construction in retail rackets.

I doubt a customer service rep at Wilson knows the difference between braiding graphite and braiding their ponytail. They are just reading off of some marketing materials.

The K90 does indeed contain 20% Kevlar: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-K61T90.html

 

[BreakPoint]

So he lied, and then attempted to confuse us with his jibberish! :lol:

Lied? What are you talking about?

STOP lying about other people!!!

 

[AlpineCadet]

Politics and misdirection aside, what I am actually thinking, and will say, is that Federer is not using the same exact frame as available to the general public. I'm sure racket composite, certain flex points, weight distribution, swing weight, and double-braided technology or not, are among some of the options available to RF.

The PST90 and n90 both have the "ProStaff/PS" lettering on the frames, and both say Double-Braided, while the same can't be said about the k90. No wonder it isn't called a ProStaff K-Factor Tour 90.

 

[AlpineCadet]

Sorry, but where exactly does Chris state that the K90 "is not double braided"?



It sounds to me like he doesn't know for sure.

If you don't believe me, why don't you e-mail Wilson's engineering department directly?

The K90 uses the same mold as the nCode 90. The nCode 90 is double-braided (it says so on the throat), so why wouldn't the K90 be? It wouldn't make any sense.

And where exactly does it/he say it IS double-braided? Same argument can be said for you. If the nCode Six-One Tour 90 and the ProStaff Tour 90 both had the PS graphics and "Double-Braided" label, why wouldn't it be on the K-Factor Tour 90--unless they left it out? What more can you ask for, even VSBabolat asked a Wilsons rep and got an alike response.

 

[BreakPoint]

Politics and misdirection aside, what I am actually thinking, and will say, is that Federer is not using the same exact frame as available to the general public. I'm sure racket composite, certain flex points, weight distribution, swing weight, and double-braided technology or not, are among some of the options available to RF.

Sure, so after Federer made these choices, what difference would it make to Wilson to release to the public the one he chose versus any other one? Federer said he played with hundreds of prototypes during the development process of the K90 and he chose one. What motivation does Wilson have not to release this same one to the public but a completely different one?

The PST90 and n90 both have the "ProStaff/PS" lettering on the frames, and both say Double-Braided, while the same can't be said about the k90. No wonder it isn't called a ProStaff K-Factor Tour 90.

The nCode 90 was called the "nSix-One Tour", NOT the ProStaff nSix-One Tour 90".

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-WN61T.html

 

[BreakPoint]

And where exactly does it/he say it IS double-braided?

He doesn't because he doesn't know for sure.

 

[AlpineCadet]

The nCode 90 was called the "nSix-One Tour", NOT the ProStaff nSix-One Tour 90".

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-WN61T.html

If you look at 3/9 o'clock, you'll see that it says "PS Six-One", and underneath that, it says "Pro-Staff". The k90 doesn't say ProStaff, nor does Wilson/TW state that is has Double-Braided Technology.

 

[BreakPoint]

If you look at 3/9 o'clock, you'll see that it says "PS Six-One", and underneath that, it says "Pro-Staff". The k90 doesn't say ProStaff, nor does Wilson/TW state that is has Double-Braided Technology.

Yes, I know what it says on the frame as I have six of them. Wilson is trying to get away from the name "ProStaff" completely which is probably why they finally put the nail in the coffin of the PS 6.0 85/95. NONE of their new racquets have the "ProStaff" moniker anymore, whereas, ALL of their players type racquets used to, e.g., PS 6.1, PS 7.1, HPS 6.1, HPS 5.0, etc. ALL their new racquets are now called "K-Factor". So just because they don't want to use the name "ProStaff" anymore does not mean they stopped using double braiding for the K90. The name "ProStaff" has nothing to do with double braiding anyway. It just means it's a fairly heavy, head light racquet. If you read the carboard insert on a PS 6.0 85/95 it explains what "ProStaff" means.

 

[AlpineCadet]

Yes, I know what it says on the frame as I have six of them. Wilson is trying to get away from the name "ProStaff" completely which is probably why they finally put the nail in the coffin of the PS 6.0 85/95. NONE of their new racquets have the "ProStaff" moniker anymore, whereas, ALL of their players type racquets used to, e.g., PS 6.1, PS 7.1, HPS 6.1, HPS 5.0, etc. ALL their new racquets are now called "K-Factor". So just because they don't want to use the name "ProStaff" anymore does not mean they stopped using double braiding for the K90. The name "ProStaff" has nothing to do with double braiding anyway. It just means it's a fairly heavy, head light racquet. If you read the carboard insert on a PS 6.0 85/95 it explains what "ProStaff" means.

Sadly, this reminds me of the movie Thank You For Smoking, where Nick is talking to his son about ice-cream.

Nick Naylor: -OK, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavour ice-cream', you'd say:
Joey Naylor: No, chocolate is.
Nick Naylor: Exactly, but you can't win that argument... so, I'll ask you: so you think chocolate is the end all and the be all of ice-cream, do you?
Joey Naylor: It's the best ice-cream, I wouldn't order any other.
Nick Naylor: -Oh! So it's all chocolate for you is it?
Joey Naylor: Yes, chocolate is all I need.
Nick Naylor: Well I need more than chocolate, and for that matter I need more than vanilla. I believe that we need freedom. And choice when it comes to our ice-cream, and that Joey Naylor, that is the defintion of liberty.
Joey Naylor: But that's not what we're talking about
Nick Naylor: -Ah! But that's what I'm talking about.
Joey Naylor: ...but you didn't prove that vanilla was the best...
Nick Naylor: I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right.

 

[BreakPoint]

Sadly, this reminds me of the movie Thank You For Smoking, where Nick is talking to his son about ice-cream.

Nick Naylor: -OK, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavour ice-cream', you'd say:
Joey Naylor: No, chocolate is.
Nick Naylor: Exactly, but you can't win that argument... so, I'll ask you: so you think chocolate is the end all and the be all of ice-cream, do you?
Joey Naylor: It's the best ice-cream, I wouldn't order any other.
Nick Naylor: -Oh! So it's all chocolate for you is it?
Joey Naylor: Yes, chocolate is all I need.
Nick Naylor: Well I need more than chocolate, and for that matter I need more than vanilla. I believe that we need freedom. And choice when it comes to our ice-cream, and that Joey Naylor, that is the defintion of liberty.
Joey Naylor: But that's not what we're talking about
Nick Naylor: -Ah! But that's what I'm talking about.
Joey Naylor: ...but you didn't prove that vanilla was the best...
Nick Naylor: I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right.

Huh? So you're "Nick Naylor" are you?

We're talking about double-braiding and then you come up with this "ProStaff" thing on the nCode 90 and Tour 90 as if "ProStaff" has anything to do with double braiding. :roll:

 

[bsandy]

You two should really get a room.

. . . Bud

 

[AlpineCadet]

So are you here to give us the comic relief? :lol:

 

[LPShanet]

Anyone have anything to add to the original post, which was about pros using PJ's of OTHER MANUFACTURER's racquets?

(The Federer stuff has its own thread...or actually dozens of them.)

 

[SFrazeur]

You two should really get a room.

. . . Bud

It all gets more than a bit obscene doesn't it. . .

-SF

 

[Lotto]

I'm sorry now fo even starting the debate about Federer's racquet, lol. I'm not going to buy it anyway, even though Roger's my idol I'm not going to jeopardize my own game for the sake of using the same racquet as him. It's good to know what he actually uses though. If Wilson offered me a custom made racquet I'd accept it! I'm happy with my K team though.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

paint jobs are kind of bad because it somewhat dupes the public, but at the same time, people shouldn't be buying rackets just because a player uses it. No doubt thats a way to lure them, and its not that bad, but thats what demoing is for. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Also, no two rackets will ever be the same because people customize their rackets, even unintentionally at times.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

I'm sorry now fo even starting the debate about Federer's racquet, lol. I'm not going to buy it anyway, even though Roger's my idol I'm not going to jeopardize my own game for the sake of using the same racquet as him. It's good to know what he actually uses though. If Wilson offered me a custom made racquet I'd accept it! I'm happy with my K team though.

Exactly. The K-Factor is like 12.5 oz, that takes skill to use well. I used to play with a 13 oz racket, and man that was an annoying racket to use. It was an oversize and I believe it was meant for more senior players. It was 28 inches, and had a big head too. A majority of players these days feel comfortable with rackets in the 11 oz range, or at least it seems like it.

 

[TsongaBonga]

Everyone is doing this now!!