Pro's Pro Strings!?

igabbo

New User
Hi,
I use Hexaspin 1.30 on my Pure Aero 2019 from November sincerely is not a bad strings.
Now I’m very interesting to try the Eruption... Can I know the differences?
Thanks
 

andrew094

New User
Hi,
I use Hexaspin 1.30 on my Pure Aero 2019 from November sincerely is not a bad strings.
Now I’m very interesting to try the Eruption... Can I know the differences?
Thanks
Hey igabbo

I actually used eruption and it seems like there is a mistake on the picture and the description on the Pro's Pros, eruption is actually a round poly, not a hexagonal string. The performance is not too good, definitely softer than hexaspin and strategem 8 but loses tension much faster, since it's a round poly of course it had a lower spin potential than hexaspin.
Hope this helpa
 
Hey igabbo

I actually used eruption and it seems like there is a mistake on the picture and the description on the Pro's Pros, eruption is actually a round poly, not a hexagonal string. The performance is not too good, definitely softer than hexaspin and strategem 8 but loses tension much faster, since it's a round poly of course it had a lower spin potential than hexaspin.
Hope this helpa
As said before in the thread it is a mistake on the picture only, confirmed by Racquetdepot. The string has 6 edges, no doubt about that. However you are the first one reporting big loss of tension. I agree it is softer than Stratagem 8, but that one is really harsch and unforgiving.
 

andrew094

New User
You're right, indeed strategem 8 can be harsh especially if strung at higher tensions, for me, Pro's Pro concept seems to be one of their best, if not, their best poly, consistent response, better tension maintenance than the other Pro's Pro strings, not a spin monster but it's a very predictable, yet not that harsh string.
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
You're right, indeed strategem 8 can be harsh especially if strung at higher tensions, for me, Pro's Pro concept seems to be one of their best, if not, their best poly, consistent response, better tension maintenance than the other Pro's Pro strings, not a spin monster but it's a very predictable, yet not that harsh string.
OK got curious about the so much discussed Concept. Next on the line.
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
I can't find anything on blue steel, which is the string used by Marcos Giron. Or at least my quick google search didn't pull anything. Did it get renamed or discontinued?
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
I can't find anything on blue steel, which is the string used by Marcos Giron. Or at least my quick google search didn't pull anything. Did it get renamed or discontinued?
Nothing on the internet on a Blue Steel string.
The PP string with a blue color that comes in mind is Intense Heat.
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
Smooth and good tension maintenance: Concept.
OK a couple of hours with pp Concept 1,30. Raquet PS97 50lbs decided to prestretch 10% after reading some comments here. Even with prestretch, the mushy feeling prevails. Nice power though, the ball really speeds up. I'd say good for returners and good to play on opponent ball speed. Gotta be carefull with spin, really little snapback effect, due to softness and mushiness of string.
 

AsianArnold1

New User
Any reason why you chose the 1.18? If your Blade is the 18x20 version it could be a good choice, AFAIK APD only comes 16x19. Keep us informed on durability. I just cut out the Eruption from my PS97 after about 7 hours of play. I really felt good playing with eruption (I am thinking to use it in a tourny end of month) till the last hour of play where I felt like performance went all the sudden down.
i went with the thinner gauge for more liveliness and bite. for me, the 18x20 tends to feel boardy with 16g in the mid 50s. i usually get 17g (like a BO 1.24) and i hardly ever break it, so i cut it out at the 6-8hr mark.
So far i'm at 4-5hr mark on this round of stringing and still feels ok, though not snapping as much. Most likely cut it at 6-7hr.
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
i went with the thinner gauge for more liveliness and bite. for me, the 18x20 tends to feel boardy with 16g in the mid 50s. i usually get 17g (like a BO 1.24) and i hardly ever break it, so i cut it out at the 6-8hr mark.
So far i'm at 4-5hr mark on this round of stringing and still feels ok, though not snapping as much. Most likely cut it at 6-7hr.
That is pretty much my mark as well with Eruption. :)
 

Muppet

Legend
I posted this as a thread. But on second thought, I should have posted it here. Here's the copy and paste:

Substituting Eruption 1.18 for Hyper G 1.15, in an Eruption 1.18/Black Force 1.14 poly/poly hybrid

The racquet is the Aerogel 200. I strung HG/BF in it @51/51, but with the temperatures rising I strung it @52/52 this time. I'm out of Black Force anyway, so it's time to make a Pro's Pro order. I was going to go along on packs of HG for special occasions until I realized that if I substitute Eruption for the mains, the new hybrid could be a steady diet.

Is it too reckless to just make an order with a reel of Eruption 1.18 in it without testing a set first, or is it close enough to HG 1.15 to be a safe bet?

Much appreciated
 

Muppet

Legend
I decided to get 2 sets of Eruption 1.18 to see if I like it in this hybrid and also as a full bed in my Biomimetic 200. At about $50 it seemed like a safe bet to go for the reel. But with my Black Force reel purchase at the same time, the total was getting a little steep.
 

boris_graf

New User
hi muppet. i see in your signature you are playing a black force/gutex ultra hybrid. as the gutex ultra is 1.30mm, what diameter are you using for the black force? I am wondering what difference in diameters between main and cross is okay. Let us know how you like the eruption 1.18
 

Muppet

Legend
hi muppet. i see in your signature you are playing a black force/gutex ultra hybrid. as the gutex ultra is 1.30mm, what diameter are you using for the black force? I am wondering what difference in diameters between main and cross is okay. Let us know how you like the eruption 1.18
The Black Force 1.14/Gutex Ultra 1.30 is great for my game. I use a 5 lb. tension differential. The snap back is slightly delayed, which matches my medium speed stroke well. What I'm saying is I get good spin with it. But this may be highly personal to me. Both of these strings are elastic, the Gutex Ultra more so because it's a multi. I love some dwell time, so this is another nice characteristic of this setup.

As for tension differentials, I usually go with +3 lbs. for SG crosses and +5 lbs. for multi crosses. If you have stiffer strings in the crosses or a more flexible (lower twist weight) hoop, you may want to go down a lb. on the crosses. Eruption arrives tommorow.
 

boris_graf

New User
Thank you for the reply, Muppet. I take from your answer that you do not experience any problems with a diameter difference of 0.16mm between mains and crosses, right? How is your eruption 1.18 test going? I am not so worried about durability as I am not breaking strings often, but would be curious about elasticity endurance?
 

Muppet

Legend
Thank you for the reply, Muppet. I take from your answer that you do not experience any problems with a diameter difference of 0.16mm between mains and crosses, right? How is your eruption 1.18 test going? I am not so worried about durability as I am not breaking strings often, but would be curious about elasticity endurance?
Black Force 1.14 has a very slippery, hard coating so I haven't had a problem with durability or performance. And the Gutex Ultra is pretty slippery for a multi as well. I've had no issues with the difference in diameter. I used to use Cyber Flash 1.23/Hexy Fiber 1.36 and it played great for a little while. Pretty soon the crosses got abrasion and stiffened up the bed. But both of those strings were less slippery than BF/GU.

I have Eruption 1.18 but Haven't strung it up yet. I have fresh strings in all 6 of my racqets and I'm not a string breaker, so it might be a while before you hear my report. I'm planning on using it in the mains of my Aerogel 200 with Black Force in the crosses. I will also do a full bed of Eruption in my Biomimetic 200, which has a Zyex hybrid in it now so that will take a while too. At some point I will need to commit to BF/GU in the Biomimetic 200. As for elasticity endurance, I've noticed that Black Force is somewhat elastic and holds up very well. But when I played it with Gutex Ultra in the crosses @51/57 in a 95" 18x20 347g racquet, in 85-95 degree temps, the strings felt rubbery. I string it at 49/54 now and it feels better at least in cooler temps.
 

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
Should be expecting a reel of Eruption 1.24 any day now. I'm going to string it up full bed in my Angell TC97's and report back. Most likely the next chance I get to play will be on Monday, however.
 
I had never tried a poly before and for some reason I bought a reel of Red Devil 1.24. I couldn't bring myself to buy a single set when the reel was only $34. I figured if I didn't like it I could offer it to my customers. Previously I was using Gutex Ultra at 57 lbs and with my 16x19 racquet I was breaking it after only 3 or 4 hours.

So I was really curious how I'd hit with a poly. I started with a hybrid setup. Gutex in the crosses and Red Devil in the mains. My elbow had been iffy for over a year (even with the multi) so I dropped the tension down to 50 lbs. It was meh and my elbow didn't like it. Poly didn't seem to be for me. For giggles I strung my racquet full bed of RD at 44. After a little bit of hitting and getting used to the different launch angle and the drastically different feel...I freaking loved it. The extra spin I was getting was incredible. Plenty of power yet sufficient control. More pop and spin on my serve. I didn't have to straighten my strings after every point like with the Gutex. And best of all my elbow has never felt better. (I'm about 3 weeks in with the poly) My game has noticeably improved from just this change. It kind of feels like I'm cheating.

I definitely noticed a tension drop pretty quickly. I'm going to do a machine pre stretch next time. But even after the tension drops it still hits great. I've got about 7 hrs on one racquet and it still feels good and the mains still snap back. I'm tempted to try some of the other polys mentioned here but since Red Devil is generally considered to be soft and my elbow and I are liking it, I should probably just stick with it.
 

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
My current setup is ProPro's Cyclone @ 57lbs in a full bed. Strung up the Angell yesterday and I love the way the fresh set of string plays. I'm a string breaker and these held up approaching the 25 hr mark, but I do not recommend playing them that long as they lose their snap back ability. I should have cut them out sooner but wanted to see if I could break them. I have nothing bad to say about these strings and I'm perfectly fine with restringing every 2 weeks.
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
I had never tried a poly before and for some reason I bought a reel of Red Devil 1.24. I couldn't bring myself to buy a single set when the reel was only $34. I figured if I didn't like it I could offer it to my customers. Previously I was using Gutex Ultra at 57 lbs and with my 16x19 racquet I was breaking it after only 3 or 4 hours.

So I was really curious how I'd hit with a poly. I started with a hybrid setup. Gutex in the crosses and Red Devil in the mains. My elbow had been iffy for over a year (even with the multi) so I dropped the tension down to 50 lbs. It was meh and my elbow didn't like it. Poly didn't seem to be for me. For giggles I strung my racquet full bed of RD at 44. After a little bit of hitting and getting used to the different launch angle and the drastically different feel...I freaking loved it. The extra spin I was getting was incredible. Plenty of power yet sufficient control. More pop and spin on my serve. I didn't have to straighten my strings after every point like with the Gutex. And best of all my elbow has never felt better. (I'm about 3 weeks in with the poly) My game has noticeably improved from just this change. It kind of feels like I'm cheating.

I definitely noticed a tension drop pretty quickly. I'm going to do a machine pre stretch next time. But even after the tension drops it still hits great. I've got about 7 hrs on one racquet and it still feels good and the mains still snap back. I'm tempted to try some of the other polys mentioned here but since Red Devil is generally considered to be soft and my elbow and I are liking it, I should probably just stick with it.
I have a client that strung one of his 3 Yonex VCORE 98 with Red Devil 1.24 at 42 lbs. I was kind of confused but thought...OK he is the client. After 3 days he brings the other 2 Yonex to get the same setup. He simply loved it!
I went to watch him play. He is a 40 year old tounament player. He does use spin, but I would say his shot is more 'old school'. Now the power he generates from the string is really remarkable. He is totally satisfied.
And.....as you said, time goes by, and he feels no reason to cut out the strings, which translates in excelent durability.
 
I have a client that strung one of his 3 Yonex VCORE 98 with Red Devil 1.24 at 42 lbs. I was kind of confused but thought...OK he is the client. After 3 days he brings the other 2 Yonex to get the same setup. He simply loved it!
I went to watch him play. He is a 40 year old tounament player. He does use spin, but I would say his shot is more 'old school'. Now the power he generates from the string is really remarkable. He is totally satisfied.
And.....as you said, time goes by, and he feels no reason to cut out the strings, which translates in excelent durability.
Yeah I NEVER thought I'd like a low tension like that. I think anyone with relatively sound strokes could/should give it a try.
 

ron schaap

Professional
I have a client that strung one of his 3 Yonex VCORE 98 with Red Devil 1.24 at 42 lbs. I was kind of confused but thought...OK he is the client. After 3 days he brings the other 2 Yonex to get the same setup. He simply loved it!
I went to watch him play. He is a 40 year old tounament player. He does use spin, but I would say his shot is more 'old school'. Now the power he generates from the string is really remarkable. He is totally satisfied.
And.....as you said, time goes by, and he feels no reason to cut out the strings, which translates in excelent durability.
Interesting experiments indeed.
I was first tempted to try the newer Pros pro cyclone power, because of the supposed power, spin and durability, but now in doubt.
Would the red devil at 42lbs (which equates to 19kg?) maybe better?
Does it have the same durability and pocketing as Concept?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I just strung up some Ice Code poly in an 18x19 racket with an ATW pattern. I used 18.5 Kg for all mains and bottom cross and crosses 1 - 18 were strung at 19.4 Kg. I used the Stringway Online Tension Advisor to get the tension range with a DT of 28 and my racket's dimensions. I know this is a Pro's Pro thread but poly is poly. I really like this string / tension combo and it gets better with age (like me LOL.) I may drop the tension even more the next time I string it.
 

ron schaap

Professional
I just strung up some Ice Code poly in an 18x19 racket with an ATW pattern. I used 18.5 Kg for all mains and bottom cross and crosses 1 - 18 were strung at 19.4 Kg. I used the Stringway Online Tension Advisor to get the tension range with a DT of 28 and my racket's dimensions. I know this is a Pro's Pro thread but poly is poly. I really like this string / tension combo and it gets better with age (like me LOL.) I may drop the tension even more the next time I string it.
If all poly were the same, you d better buy some reasonable priced Pros Pro instead of overpriced Technifibre.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
If all poly were the same, you d better buy some reasonable priced Pros Pro instead of overpriced Technifibre.
Not what I meant but all poly should have similar characteristics. I’m surely not saying Pros Pro and Ice Code are on the same level or I would never have bought Ice Code. But for the money there are some that will surely think Pros Pro is a much better deal. I’m not one of them.
 
Not what I meant but all poly should have similar characteristics. I’m surely not saying Pros Pro and Ice Code are on the same level or I would never have bought Ice Code. But for the money there are some that will surely think Pros Pro is a much better deal. I’m not one of them.
to say that is also to say that for example all cars have 4 wheels, so all cars have about the same characteristics ...

what predominates in the string, according to what my brother explained to me, is that there is not one sort of polyesther, but an incalculable number, some are just poly extruded, others assemblages of poly (co-poly), others to which we added fiber, titanium, carbon, aluminum, or what do I know, other heating or multiple heating after extrusion, of still others a mechanical intervention mltiple twist , and finally, still others a chemical manipulation at the mollecular level, all these interventions give string more or less of flexibility, solidity, of rough, slippery aspect or so many particularities.

it turns out, that it is recognized that when a brand (string or other) sponsors a player, it is necessary to interpose these costs in the cost price of this string, luxilon does not cost 20 € 40 feet to manufacture. without going so far as to say that pro's pro make extraordinary strings, we must recognize that from the moment we consider that the poly change as soon as they lose their relative elasticity which can go less than 3 hours for some very upscale strings to more than 10h for some pro pro who barely a tenth of the first cities (I would not give a name), but I think we must make the effort to test, and extrapolate . of course, pro's pro is especially valid if we do not pay the laying of the rope or if we have a machine. on this principle, it is much easier to replace a pro's pro cordage at € 3 every 4-5-6h than to have to cut a lux at € 18 every 8 hours (whereas quite often, some references of lux are already dead well before 8am.)

finaly, for me it's better to change for example a PP concept, un PP cyber power or PP plus power all 4-5h for less 4$ a set, than buying 15-17$ a set of luxilon BBO who died after 4 hours.

when i trying to compare many string (red devil and tecnifibre red code, black out and weiss black 5 edge, plus power and signum plasma, concept and weiss scorpion, and cyberpower and alu power)... the small differences are not worth the cost often more than 2, 3 to 4 times more expensive than brands. of course, do not leave the PP more than 6-7h, like other poly. if we admit this, PP will be a very good string. in my club, many tournament players (up to 5.0 to 6.0 US equivalent) have been playing for a few years with PP (plus power, hextreme concept and cyber power) and saw the price of these lines do not think to change before long.
 

Galdust

Rookie
Going to try Concept in hybrid with nat gut on Tuesday. Will compare it side by side to a nat gut/Wilson revolve hybrid. I know I like the latter combo, but as nat gut is quite expensive, I hope to reduce the costs by going with a cheaper cross string.
 
Going to try Concept in hybrid with nat gut on Tuesday. Will compare it side by side to a nat gut/Wilson revolve hybrid. I know I like the latter combo, but as nat gut is quite expensive, I hope to reduce the costs by going with a cheaper cross string.
my brother put on my frame gut/poly, babolat Vs touch on main and PP cyber power "white' on cross. on the first one, and cyber power "silver" on the second one, after 2 weeks, i prefer the silver one, . have more power. after 8 hours, good tension stability, using with tourna string saver (like federer but 3 line) .

for me it's difficult to choising between cyber power PP and yonex poly tour pro on cross on this hybrid.

when using yonex poly tour pro, cut string after 10 hours.. for the moment, cyber power is always good after 8h... let's see!
 

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
I've been playing with PP Cyclone Power the last few months. As a string breaker, I can't break these strings. I tried to see how long I can go before they snap, and at around 25hrs they were still holding up, although the string was not snapping back much so I cut them out.

On a full bed, Cyclone Power is great. I'm going to try and see how well it plays at the 10 hr mark compared to a freshly strung identical racket. If I can get 15 hrs before it loses its playability, I'm perfectly fine with that as I string myself.

I also played with PP Lethal 5, but I break that at about the 8 hr mark.

I have a reel of PP Eruption ready to be strung, but I will not be able to hit with that until next week. Looking forward to trying Eruption based on the reviews from this thread and I hope to be just as satisfied.


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One thing I'll add about Eruption, the website states that it is a shaped poly, but there are no noticeable edges visible on the actual string.

A newly developed, high-performance and versatile co-polyester string designed to offer playability and control while generating extreme power and intense spin and bite. Utilizes a newly developed chemical formula in combination with the high-powered monofilament fiber designed and shaped to generate maximum power and control while amplifying the spin and bite intensity of the ball. Compare to Solinco Hyper-G.
 
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Funky Marky

New User
I've been playing with PP Cyclone Power the last few months. As a string breaker, I can't break these strings. I tried to see how long I can go before they snap, and at around 25hrs they were still holding up, although the string was not snapping back much so I cut them out.

On a full bed, Cyclone Power is great. I'm going to try and see how well it plays at the 10 hr mark compared to a freshly strung identical racket. If I can get 15 hrs before it loses its playability, I'm perfectly fine with that as I string myself.

I also played with PP Lethal 5, but I break that at about the 8 hr mark.

I have a reel of PP Eruption ready to be strung, but I will not be able to hit with that until next week. Looking forward to trying Eruption based on the reviews from this thread and I hope to be just as satisfied.


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One thing I'll add about Eruption, the website states that it is a shaped poly, but there are no noticeable edges visible on the actual string.

A newly developed, high-performance and versatile co-polyester string designed to offer playability and control while generating extreme power and intense spin and bite. Utilizes a newly developed chemical formula in combination with the high-powered monofilament fiber designed and shaped to generate maximum power and control while amplifying the spin and bite intensity of the ball. Compare to Solinco Hyper-G.
Who tried that new Eruption from Pro's Pro?
What difference with Hex-Power?
Thank you



This pic shows a 6 sided string for Eruption and Hexpower, that looks shaped? Did you tot the wrong reel?

I am also very curious about this string: it is cheap and maybe a good spinner for my boys too as a main in a hybrid.
 

Funky Marky

New User
The Eruption that I received is exactly as the photo that you posted. Most likely the label has the incorrect photo, as the string does NOT appear to be shaped.

Also in my photo, you can see the white round sticker that reads 6-kant, which translates to 6-sides.

Yes indeed. Maybe when you pull the string, that it get more shaped (read turned)
Can any other user tell us / explain more?
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
I can't feel the shape on Eruption either. But the same goes with most shaped strings like Gamma Moto, Blak5Edge or Revolve Spin, just to name a few ones. I guess photos tend to exagerate the shape.
 

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
I contacted the supplier and their response was:

Eruption is indeed 6 sided. The edges are not overly pronounced, however.

I have a reel of PP Lethal 5, and those edges and twist cannot be missed. Must be different with Eruption. I'll try to take another picture of the actual string with my phone camera, but I doubt it will be able to capture the string texture.
 
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