Pro's Pro Strings!?

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
@lucieisland - Btw, have you ever play with Strategem 10 or Nano Vendetta (gauge size?). If yes which is your opinion about them?
no, I don't know them, i prefer perfect round string, all I could test and compare personally for about 3 months was:
lux BBO alu power Vs weiss scorpion
and PP concept Vs weiss scorpion.

my balance sheet is:

for me, and that only engages me, but at the club, we were at least 6 players out of 10 between 5.0 and 6.0 to find that:

scorpion more comfortable than alu, largely better for the tension stability, as well for the control and the power.

that between scorpion and concept there are much less differences than between scorpion and aluminum BBO power.

once admitted this, out of the 10 test players, that two could take luxilon against scorpion, if one did not take into account the price of alu. because the famous special feeling of luxilon, but for the rest, there were no big differences between alu and scorpion flagrant in favor of alu.

that none would consider taking alu facing scorpion if we consider the price of weiss facing luxilon, and finally, none made a noticeable and glaring difference between weiss and PP.

finally, that if we consider the price, nobody would take neither luxilon nor weiss for a season.

finally, when asked to choose between a reel of luxilon or two reel of concept, everyone took two of concept.
Finally, knowing that weiss was one of the designers of luxilon, we can doubt that a little of the luxilon technology is present at weiss cannon?

strangely, weiss scorpion and PP concept exist in exactly the same gauges.
1.22mm, 1.28mm and 1.33mm (the 1.22 and 1.33mm are quite rare in poly).

PP concept exists in .. 1.22mm, 1.28mm and 1.33mm. amazing? I do not think so.

finally, to conclude, at my club, where there are about 350 members, there must be 4 to 5 players who use luxilon alu power in full bed. 2 people aged 55-60, who play 4.0 I think. or less? who never break their strings and who stop playing because of TE every month, two 15 year olds, who play with ultra light frames and luxilon, and the tennis teacher, who uses a babolat drive, and luxilon at 26kg, which never breaks, and who thinks that he has understood everything in tennis, since luxilon is the best of strings.
 

Pekoms

New User
I usually like to play with low tensions (48-52lbs)

I bought PolyTour Pro 1.25 but don't know what tension should I use.
Next week it will be like almost 30 degrees celcius. Should I strung with 53 or 52 lbs ?
 
Just wondering if somebody can confirm following Brand string vs Pro'sPro string comparison


PRO'S PRO NANO CYBER POWER (Big Banger ALU Power )
PRO'S PRO LETHAL 8 (Big Banger ALU Power Rough)
PRO'S PRO KU DE TA (Luxilon ALU Power Soft)
PRO'S PRO CYBER POWER (Luxilon Big Banger ALU Flouro)

PRO'S PRO STRATEGEM 8 (Babolat RPM Blast)
PRO'S PRO ICHIBAN SPIN (Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour)
PRO'S PRO CYBER POWER (Babolat Pro Hurricane)

PRO'S PRO CONCEPT (WeissCANNON Scorpion)
PRO'S PRO BLACK OUT (WeissCANNON Black5Edge)
PRO'S PRO ICHIBAN SPIN (WeissCANNON TurboTwist)
PRO'S PRO NANO CYBER POWER (WeissCANNON Silverstring)
 

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
Just wondering if somebody can confirm following Brand string vs Pro'sPro string comparison


PRO'S PRO NANO CYBER POWER (Big Banger ALU Power )
PRO'S PRO LETHAL 8 (Big Banger ALU Power Rough)
PRO'S PRO KU DE TA (Luxilon ALU Power Soft)
PRO'S PRO CYBER POWER (Luxilon Big Banger ALU Flouro)

PRO'S PRO STRATEGEM 8 (Babolat RPM Blast)
PRO'S PRO ICHIBAN SPIN (Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour)
PRO'S PRO CYBER POWER (Babolat Pro Hurricane)

PRO'S PRO CONCEPT (WeissCANNON Scorpion)
PRO'S PRO BLACK OUT (WeissCANNON Black5Edge)
PRO'S PRO ICHIBAN SPIN (WeissCANNON TurboTwist)
PRO'S PRO NANO CYBER POWER (WeissCANNON Silverstring)
for me, cyberpower is superior to alu power ... and a lot of players I know (including a former atp600) also find it. there are quite a few differences between cyberpower and alu for 95% of the players, and very often, blindly people find cyberpower more tolerant and more comfortable. I would not even talk about the tesion stability!

pure concept and scorpion too, it is quite difficult if not impossible to differentiate between the two. and the same for black5edge and blackout !.
 
Which PP strings do you delieve are the same with some "branded" ones?
In my travels with PP strings, I have not personally come across any that match any Big Name branded ones.

However, some people I respect a great deal tell me that Pros Pro Hitec Multifibre is probably the same string as Mantis Comfort Synthetic. which I have used quite a lot of.
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
no, I don't know them, i prefer perfect round string, all I could test and compare personally for about 3 months was:
lux BBO alu power Vs weiss scorpion
and PP concept Vs weiss scorpion.

my balance sheet is:

for me, and that only engages me, but at the club, we were at least 6 players out of 10 between 5.0 and 6.0 to find that:

scorpion more comfortable than alu, largely better for the tension stability, as well for the control and the power.

that between scorpion and concept there are much less differences than between scorpion and aluminum BBO power.

once admitted this, out of the 10 test players, that two could take luxilon against scorpion, if one did not take into account the price of alu. because the famous special feeling of luxilon, but for the rest, there were no big differences between alu and scorpion flagrant in favor of alu.

that none would consider taking alu facing scorpion if we consider the price of weiss facing luxilon, and finally, none made a noticeable and glaring difference between weiss and PP.

finally, that if we consider the price, nobody would take neither luxilon nor weiss for a season.

finally, when asked to choose between a reel of luxilon or two reel of concept, everyone took two of concept.
Finally, knowing that weiss was one of the designers of luxilon, we can doubt that a little of the luxilon technology is present at weiss cannon?

strangely, weiss scorpion and PP concept exist in exactly the same gauges.
1.22mm, 1.28mm and 1.33mm (the 1.22 and 1.33mm are quite rare in poly).

PP concept exists in .. 1.22mm, 1.28mm and 1.33mm. amazing? I do not think so.

finally, to conclude, at my club, where there are about 350 members, there must be 4 to 5 players who use luxilon alu power in full bed. 2 people aged 55-60, who play 4.0 I think. or less? who never break their strings and who stop playing because of TE every month, two 15 year olds, who play with ultra light frames and luxilon, and the tennis teacher, who uses a babolat drive, and luxilon at 26kg, which never breaks, and who thinks that he has understood everything in tennis, since luxilon is the best of strings.
I've used concept 1.28 and 1.33. 1.28 is really good, my favourite pp string. Basically everything you want in a poly. I personally don't like shaped or coated polys, seem to behave erratically and inconsistent, so concept is miles ahead any other pp string imo. The 1.33 behaves exactly how you expect a thicker version would behave. Less crisp, less power and spin maybe?( Less power definitely) and more control. I prefer the 1.33 as I do hate stringing loads.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Has anyone tried Torpedo?
-yeah, i did a few years back!
-notised nothing worth switching from gutex ultra to this one, except maybe the color (charcoal gray)
-no extra spin, and it got flat very quickly
-the extra control i was hoping from extra ball bite, did not show
-worth a try if you wanna try a different kind of multi, but i would not buy a reel
 
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Taveren

Professional
So far I have close to 12 hours on my Black Eruption/Red Devil hybrid and it still plays well. No noticeable notching, strings snaps back into place and still gives good access to spin though it lost a lot of that sweet pocketing and feel after 6 hours but it is still very playable. Currently still waiting on my Blackout and Concept reels from BigT, almost 2 weeks now and still no tracking update....:unsure:
 
I almost neglected them compltelty after buying a reel of Red Devil 2 years ago and wasn't impresses so much... But, 2 days ago I cut the cross of FB IsoSpeed Professioaal 1.25 and replaces it with Red Devil 1.19, since my gravity tour didn't gave enough feel and... What a change! Suddenly control was good and spin also, and I felt more free to hit hard! So, I guess Red Devil can be very good as a cross, but i'm not sure it will work with any syngut or multiflament, maybe it's best with IS Professioanl classic, which is very good for my arm, and also quite controlable, for a multi
 

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
So, I guess Red Devil can be very good as a cross, but i'm not sure it will work with any syngut or multiflament
I think that from PP, two of the best hybrids in terms of performance / price ratio is the color line 1.40 (about $ 15 per 200m) crossed by red devil 1.15mm. it is a very powerful and controlled hybrid, which can easily last 4 hours. the second one is color line on main, and black force on cross (always on 1.14mm)
 

ChimpChimp

Semi-Pro
I'm using Blackout mains / crosses Blackforce, and want to try more possibilities before buying reels. Am considering Gutex Ultra. I haven't ever used multifilament. Seems to be more comfortable. I have difficulties in light touch such as dropshots -- usually too light and not crossing the net. In 0-100 scale of power, I can do 0-40 trying dropshots, or 80-100 with normal groundstrokes, but can seldom do 40-80.

Would multifilament help my touch feels?

I like the spin given by Blackout mains. For trying poly-multifilament hybrid, say Blackout-Gutex Ultra, which should be mains?
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
I'm using Blackout mains / crosses Blackforce, and want to try more possibilities before buying reels. Am considering Gutex Ultra. I haven't ever used multifilament. Seems to be more comfortable. I have difficulties in light touch such as dropshots -- usually too light and not crossing the net. In 0-100 scale of power, I can do 0-40 trying dropshots, or 80-100 with normal groundstrokes, but can seldom do 40-80.

Would multifilament help my touch feels?

I like the spin given by Blackout mains. For trying poly-multifilament hybrid, say Blackout-Gutex Ultra, which should be mains?
Depends on the racquet/string pattern and how you play. For me if I put Gutex ultra in the mains with Blackout or even full bed it will last less than an hour. But if it’s an 18x20 pattern it may last a little longer.
 

pverissimo

New User
Just wondering if somebody can confirm following Brand string vs Pro'sPro string comparison


PRO'S PRO NANO CYBER POWER (Big Banger ALU Power )
PRO'S PRO LETHAL 8 (Big Banger ALU Power Rough)
PRO'S PRO KU DE TA (Luxilon ALU Power Soft)
PRO'S PRO CYBER POWER (Luxilon Big Banger ALU Flouro)

PRO'S PRO STRATEGEM 8 (Babolat RPM Blast)
PRO'S PRO ICHIBAN SPIN (Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour)
PRO'S PRO CYBER POWER (Babolat Pro Hurricane)

PRO'S PRO CONCEPT (WeissCANNON Scorpion)
PRO'S PRO BLACK OUT (WeissCANNON Black5Edge)
PRO'S PRO ICHIBAN SPIN (WeissCANNON TurboTwist)
PRO'S PRO NANO CYBER POWER (WeissCANNON Silverstring)

Zero resemblance on the first 5... I tested all of them. Blackout is probably one of the best polys from Pro's Pro, but coating is very weak, and tension stability is no where near a good shaped poly like MSV Focus-Hex/X-Perience/Black Code. You get what you've paid.
I use Black Force on some juniors and people who want budget strings, very strechty and confort ok, does the trick well.
 
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In my travels with PP strings, I have not personally come across any that match any Big Name branded ones.

However, some people I respect a great deal tell me that Pros Pro Hitec Multifibre is probably the same string as Mantis Comfort Synthetic. which I have used quite a lot of.
I tried almost all their multis and sorry to say but they all rubbish. Feels like a very cheap synt-gut.
 

Taveren

Professional
Anyone used PP Claycourt Plus? What are your feedback on this multi and at what tension worked best for you? Im thinking if trying it out as mains in a multi/poly hybrid
 

Galdust

Rookie
I'm curious to know how their shaped strings rank based on stiffness. I've only tried Black out, which I guess can be called medium stiff.
 

pverissimo

New User
Hitec Multifibre is a very fragile multi, extremely soft, hits like a pilllow and doesn't last much. It's very good for people with elbow issues. I strung WeissCannon Xplosiv a few years ago and it looked the same, not sure if it played the same.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
I'm curious to know how their shaped strings rank based on stiffness. I've only tried Black out, which I guess can be called medium stiff.
-good question,
-here is my opinion, on these few (shaped polys ive tried myself),
-considering your input ^ "blackout = medium poly"

-pp.strategem (hard poly) ; dont confuse with pp.strategem.eight, medium stiff good poly, less aggressive, almost, almost round
-pp.hexaspin (next hard poly) ; dont confuse with pp.hexaspin.twist which is my favorite, medium stiff
-pp.devil-spin (most hard poly)
-ALL of course IMO
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Anyone used PP Claycourt Plus? What are your feedback on this multi and at what tension worked best for you? Im thinking if trying it out as mains in a multi/poly hybrid
--i was not impressed
-durability was pretty bad, i think its one of the ones i broke with little effort
-only thing i really liked is the color
-its like a multi fiber core covered heavily with an outer thick plastic coating, get through the coating and the fibers in the middle dont stand a chance
 

kevin

Rookie
for me, cyberpower is superior to alu power ... and a lot of players I know (including a former atp600) also find it. there are quite a few differences between cyberpower and alu for 95% of the players, and very often, blindly people find cyberpower more tolerant and more comfortable. I would not even talk about the tesion stability!
Hi lucieisland. May I know if you have played different colors of cyberpower and nano cyberpower? I happened to string up a set of black cyberpower and it is so soft comparing to nano cyberpower in silver.

Or can anyone comment on the feel section of cyberpower in different colours? From soft to stiff or crisp to mushy?

And if different colors feel differently, will it affect durability?

Thanks.

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ChimpChimp

Semi-Pro
Recommendation for slick round PP as crosses, that don't stretch like hell? Mains are PP Blackout 1.24 around 48-50 lbs. Racquet is Yonex DR 98. BlackForce as crosses is good, only that stringing is too troublesome on a dropweight. Need to adjust adjust adjust. SPPP as crosses is good too and don't stretch, and good tension maintenance, but this is no longer a point when the mains drop tension fast. Just want to know if there are even cheaper options. Syngut and multi are also welcomed. I haven't tried such hybrid.
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
Recommendation for slick round PP as crosses, that don't stretch like hell? Mains are PP Blackout 1.24 around 48-50 lbs. Racquet is Yonex DR 98. BlackForce as crosses is good, only that stringing is too troublesome on a dropweight. Need to adjust adjust adjust. SPPP as crosses is good too and don't stretch, and good tension maintenance, but this is no longer a point when the mains drop tension fast. Just want to know if there are even cheaper options. Syngut and multi are also welcomed. I haven't tried such hybrid.
Intense Heat would work.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Recommendation for slick round PP as crosses, that don't stretch like hell? Mains are PP Blackout 1.24 around 48-50 lbs. Racquet is Yonex DR 98. BlackForce as crosses is good, only that stringing is too troublesome on a dropweight. Need to adjust adjust adjust. SPPP as crosses is good too and don't stretch, and good tension maintenance, but this is no longer a point when the mains drop tension fast. Just want to know if there are even cheaper options. Syngut and multi are also welcomed. I haven't tried such hybrid.


https://www.pros-pro.com/en/pros-pro-tennis-string-200-m-multifil-synthetic-130-black.html
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Recommendation for slick round PP as crosses, that don't stretch like hell? Mains are PP Blackout 1.24 around 48-50 lbs. Racquet is Yonex DR 98. BlackForce as crosses is good, only that stringing is too troublesome on a dropweight. Need to adjust adjust adjust. SPPP as crosses is good too and don't stretch, and good tension maintenance, but this is no longer a point when the mains drop tension fast. Just want to know if there are even cheaper options. Syngut and multi are also welcomed. I haven't tried such hybrid.
If you like sppp so much why dont you use the Pp copy of it which is half as expensive? A lot of comments on red devil too on this forum. Using a multi might restrict snapback and thus reduce spin potential. I find pp concept pretty durable. Maybe you could try the thinner gauge as a cross?
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
for me, cyberpower is superior to alu power ... and a lot of players I know (including a former atp600) also find it. there are quite a few differences between cyberpower and alu for 95% of the players, and very often, blindly people find cyberpower more tolerant and more comfortable. I would not even talk about the tesion stability!

pure concept and scorpion too, it is quite difficult if not impossible to differentiate between the two. and the same for black5edge and blackout !.
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I think that from PP, two of the best hybrids in terms of performance / price ratio is the color line 1.40 (about $ 15 per 200m) crossed by red devil 1.15mm. it is a very powerful and controlled hybrid, which can easily last 4 hours. the second one is color line on main, and black force on cross (always on 1.14mm)
Hi Lucy you seem to know a lot now on Pp. ;) The hybrid of a very thick string with a very thin string is something i never heard of. Now somerhing different, what would be the best poly poly hybrids with Pp strings spin, power and durability wise?
And lastly, are there any differences between Concept, nany cyber power and cyber power?
 

A_Instead

Legend
I have been using black force for years...I have a Black out in transit to give it a look.. will try a full bed. .then a hybrid..

May try Eruption next.. depending how black out performs..
 

ChimpChimp

Semi-Pro
If you like sppp so much why dont you use the Pp copy of it which is half as expensive? A lot of comments on red devil too on this forum. Using a multi might restrict snapback and thus reduce spin potential. I find pp concept pretty durable. Maybe you could try the thinner gauge as a cross?
I read most PP threads here but didn't notice -- which is PP's clone of SPPP? I have tried Red Devil twice, hate it, no control, at least not for me. Worse than BlackForce, and as stretching as BF.

[Edit] Plus Power is the anwer?
 
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lucieisland

Semi-Pro
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Hi Lucy you seem to know a lot now on Pp. ;) The hybrid of a very thick string with a very thin string is something i never heard of. Now somerhing different, what would be the best poly poly hybrids with Pp strings spin, power and durability wise?
And lastly, are there any differences between Concept, nany cyber power and cyber power?
I once tried a Plus Power hybrid with two different gauges, I really like the 1.18mm but it is very fragile and at the time I didn't have a machine to record my rackets myself. my brother then advised me (and put down) a hybrid with more power 1.28 or 1.33, I don't know, and a cross more power 1.18mm, at 4kg lighter!

I gained a lot in spin, but for the power, you have to generate it yourself. and the Plus Power easily keeps its tension more than 12h in this configuration (21/17 kg) in radical 16/18 I think ..

then, it seems to me that I had also tried a black Force in mono hybrid (1.29 I think? and 1.14mm in cross, but I did not like that much. I know that my brother played a long time with red devil 1.28 /1.14, the round side, the fine pls crosses and the voltage difference increase the snapback and therefore the spin.

but after having been injured using a poly from a big brand that lasted less than 3 hours, whereas with the poly trash cans from PP I was used to playing at least 12 to 14 hours before those died. I stopped playing full poly (single gauge or double gauge)

concerning the differences between concept, nano cyber and cyber, I found that cyber power and concept are very similar, they play for me in the category of alu-like .. without hesitating for a moment .. a bit like cyber flash topsin, silverstring and scorpion weiss, or read tour of dyreex .. but I find that there is really little difference between cyber power and concept, I don't know nano, I don't know why I didn't try it , but I think concept and cyberpower already suited me. I think the concept is a little more powerful and offers more spin than Syber Power, and the latter is a little more comfortable, but for the rest, I find that they are really very similar. and to pass from one to the other is done without problem.

Hi lucieisland. May I know if you have played different colors of cyberpower and nano cyberpower? I happened to string up a set of black cyberpower and it is so soft comparing to nano cyberpower in silver.

Or can anyone comment on the feel section of cyberpower in different colours? From soft to stiff or crisp to mushy?

And if different colors feel differently, will it affect durability?

Thanks.

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for the color differences, I don't really remember anymore, but having tried the 4 colors (red which seems to no longer exist, silver, white and black,) I found that nori and silver were extremes of sensations, (one of the two softest, and the other very hard) .. and for that I chose white, which was poru me at the time in the middle of the range, and more in the middle , without being in an extreme .. in 1.20mm it can only be an excellent choice :! I think I remember that the reel cost less than 40 € and even cutting after 6 hours it was an exceptional string at all levels putting far behind a lot of big brands. in mons ens, only signum pure plasma, weiss silverstring and genesis black magic are in the same performance / tension stability / price category !.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
I once tried a Plus Power hybrid with two different gauges, I really like the 1.18mm but it is very fragile and at the time I didn't have a machine to record my rackets myself. my brother then advised me (and put down) a hybrid with more power 1.28 or 1.33, I don't know, and a cross more power 1.18mm, at 4kg lighter!

I gained a lot in spin, but for the power, you have to generate it yourself. and the Plus Power easily keeps its tension more than 12h in this configuration (21/17 kg) in radical 16/18 I think ..

then, it seems to me that I had also tried a black Force in mono hybrid (1.29 I think? and 1.14mm in cross, but I did not like that much. I know that my brother played a long time with red devil 1.28 /1.14, the round side, the fine pls crosses and the voltage difference increase the snapback and therefore the spin.

but after having been injured using a poly from a big brand that lasted less than 3 hours, whereas with the poly trash cans from PP I was used to playing at least 12 to 14 hours before those died. I stopped playing full poly (single gauge or double gauge)

concerning the differences between concept, nano cyber and cyber, I found that cyber power and concept are very similar, they play for me in the category of alu-like .. without hesitating for a moment .. a bit like cyber flash topsin, silverstring and scorpion weiss, or read tour of dyreex .. but I find that there is really little difference between cyber power and concept, I don't know nano, I don't know why I didn't try it , but I think concept and cyberpower already suited me. I think the concept is a little more powerful and offers more spin than Syber Power, and the latter is a little more comfortable, but for the rest, I find that they are really very similar. and to pass from one to the other is done without problem.



for the color differences, I don't really remember anymore, but having tried the 4 colors (red which seems to no longer exist, silver, white and black,) I found that nori and silver were extremes of sensations, (one of the two softest, and the other very hard) .. and for that I chose white, which was poru me at the time in the middle of the range, and more in the middle , without being in an extreme .. in 1.20mm it can only be an excellent choice :! I think I remember that the reel cost less than 40 € and even cutting after 6 hours it was an exceptional string at all levels putting far behind a lot of big brands. in mons ens, only signum pure plasma, weiss silverstring and genesis black magic are in the same performance / tension stability / price category !.
OK tnx for your answer. I think i m going to try some different gauges hybrid myself. You are right. Plus power is a very good string but only at lower than 24kg. The 1.23 has more power than Concept 1.28 -maybe because latter is thicker. I really like the pocketing of Concept and its durability. Maybe i could hybrid the 1.28 with the 1.20. Otherwise its a pity Concept is round. Are Kudeta and Strategem 10 shaped polys that are also like Concept or different?
When you hybrid poly with sgut, dont you get less spin and or less durability because the hard poly cuts into soft sgut/multy?
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
OK tnx for your answer. I think i m going to try some different gauges hybrid myself. You are right. Plus power is a very good string but only at lower than 24kg. The 1.23 has more power than Concept 1.28 -maybe because latter is thicker. I really like the pocketing of Concept and its durability. Maybe i could hybrid the 1.28 with the 1.20. Otherwise its a pity Concept is round. Are Kudeta and Strategem 10 shaped polys that are also like Concept or different?
When you hybrid poly with sgut, dont you get less spin and or less durability because the hard poly cuts into soft sgut/multy?
WIth sgut cross, you will have much less spin, of course.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
I read most PP threads here but didn't notice -- which is PP's clone of SPPP? I have tried Red Devil twice, hate it, no control, at least not for me. Worse than BlackForce, and as stretching as BF.

[Edit] Plus Power is the anwer?
To me both the plus power and sppp 1.23 feel almost the same and can be used in a hybrid and dont strech very much.
 

Karstic

Rookie
Recommendation for slick round PP as crosses, that don't stretch like hell? Mains are PP Blackout 1.24 around 48-50 lbs. Racquet is Yonex DR 98. BlackForce as crosses is good, only that stringing is too troublesome on a dropweight. Need to adjust adjust adjust. SPPP as crosses is good too and don't stretch, and good tension maintenance, but this is no longer a point when the mains drop tension fast. Just want to know if there are even cheaper options. Syngut and multi are also welcomed. I haven't tried such hybrid.
Nano Vendetta seems to stretch less upon stringing than any poly I've tried, though that is not a large number. I actually bought it to use as a cross for BHSR, but after trying it in a full bed I've been using it ever since. I seem to be one of its few fans here on this forum though.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Nano Vendetta seems to stretch less upon stringing than any poly I've tried, though that is not a large number. I actually bought it to use as a cross for BHSR, but after trying it in a full bed I've been using it ever since. I seem to be one of its few fans here on this forum though.
If you tell us what other qualities of nano vendetta (which gauge?) you like, than you might convince me to try it myself? Also in comparison.with other Pros Pro strings.
 

Karstic

Rookie
If you tell us what other qualities of nano vendetta (which gauge?) you like, than you might convince me to try it myself? Also in comparison.with other Pros Pro strings.
I'm playing the 1.30 mm version in a 2014 Pro Staff 90 at 46# at the moment. When I am swinging well and playing aggressively it seems to cup the ball and generate spin and deliver good power without the trampoline feeling and loss of control. It seems as if the string and racquet resonance is in perfect sync. If I I am not swinging well, say after a long winter layoff, it seems very flat. Currently I am coming off of two years where I have been nearly completely off the courts due to medical complications, and this combination just started clicking for me in the last couple of weeks. The few times I tried to play last fall, and as late as February, it just wasn't there. I think I just found the sweet spot in matching this string for my racquet and game. I suspect though, that this will not work as well in lighter, stiffer racquets.
 
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I tried almost all their multis and sorry to say but they all rubbish. Feels like a very cheap synt-gut.
Mantis is a great great multi. For me it is a standard for a very good CONTROL multi, without losing the softness. I purchased ALL PP multis and tried almost every single one of them and they didn't feel anthing near multis like MultiFeel, IsoSpeed Professional, Head RIP, Velocity, Live Wire. Mantis of course.... Not it terms of control and not in terms of softness... They had a very strong smell none the less...
 

kevin

Rookie
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for the color differences, I don't really remember anymore, but having tried the 4 colors (red which seems to no longer exist, silver, white and black,) I found that nori and silver were extremes of sensations, (one of the two softest, and the other very hard) .. and for that I chose white......
Thanks Lucieisland. May I know what is "nori"?

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ron schaap

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I'm playing the 1.30 mm version in a 2014 Pro Staff 90 at 46# at the moment. When I am swinging well and playing aggressively it seems to cup the ball and generate spin and deliver good power without the trampoline feeling and loss of control. It seems as if the string and racquet resonance is in perfect sync. If I I am not swinging well, say after a long winter layoff, it seems very flat. Currently I am coming off of two years where I have been nearly completely off the courts due to medical complications, and this combination just started clicking for me in the last couple of weeks. The few times I tried to play last fall, and as late as February, it just wasn't there. I think I just found the sweet spot in matching this string for my racquet and game. I suspect though, that this will not work as well in lighter, stiffer racquets.
Tnx. I mostly play > 300gr frames myself although 97-100 inch. Could it be it didnt was nt there for you during winter when temperature is lower? I think it is sometimes overlooked that balls and strings can be a lot stiffer and deader then. stringing at lower tension could help.
Mantis is a great great multi. For me it is a standard for a very good CONTROL multi, without losing the softness. I purchased ALL PP multis and tried almost every single one of them and they didn't feel anthing near multis like MultiFeel, IsoSpeed Professional, Head RIP, Velocity, Live Wire. Mantis of course.... Not it terms of control and not in terms of softness... They had a very strong smell none the less...
You forget to mention that the multis from the better known brands are 5 times or more as expensive! Furthermore it isnt as critical when you use a multi of sgut as a cross. Better string more often with a cheap string that is beginning to notch or you dont care for spin potential?
 

liftordie

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-pp.black.out/pp.black.force is one of my goto setups!!, good combo!!
-1.28mm shaped mains/1.19mm smooth crisp cross
-typically i like a crisp round slick cross to allow snapback of the mains, preferrably shaped
Are you using Black Out 1.28 crossed with Black Force 1.19?
What tension? And what frame?
Thanks
 

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
You forget to mention that the multis from the better known brands are 5 times or more as expensive! Furthermore it isnt as critical when you use a multi of sgut as a cross. Better string more often with a cheap string that is beginning to notch or you dont care for spin potential?
I fully agree with all of this!
people forget too quickly the cost relationships, between a product costing a certain amount, and another perhaps a little better, or twice as good, we would say, but also 4 to 5 times more expensive.

in this case, even a ford mustang is s-h-i-t, if we compare to a ferrari or a lamborgini ..

a tenessee great bourbon will be big s-h-i-t, next to a super japanese whiskey ...

If only you could compare two things that are really comparable!
I used professional isospeed 1.20mm this week. it's a fabulous string, really, very technical, I would be hard pressed to tell the difference with natural gut. (isospeed 1.20mm vs tonic 1.35mm).

but at 15 € per set, I must admit that it is difficult to go the distance with my mantis synthetic power which costs only 45 € for 200m.

seriously .. the isospeed was fabulous! .. for 1h45, then broke like glass! .tension stability perfect (for as little time) it's a really great string! but at that price, it is unthinkable! mantis with the same tension play a little more sticky, a little less pop, a little less powerful, a little less control! But:

mantis 1.25mm power synth costs less than 2.70 € per set. and breaks after 2:30on full bed. and if I use it in hybrid with a poly such as black force 1.14mm in cross, it becomes very controlled, and recovers pop. and in this case, it will cost me around 2.15 € for a hybrid !. which will break after 5 to 6 hours.

and it's very close to the sensations of isospeed.
why will i pay 6 to 7 times more, to enjoy the wonderful for 2 hours, while for the same price I would be on the tennis court for more than 25 to 30 hours.

the economy is reason enough to get slightly less pop, a little less power and control than with isospeed !.

I would commit a little more, I would type a little more in the ball, I would be a little more dynamic on my legs, I would prepare a little earlier my shots.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
I fully agree with all of this!
people forget too quickly the cost relationships, between a product costing a certain amount, and another perhaps a little better, or twice as good, we would say, but also 4 to 5 times more expensive.

in this case, even a ford mustang is s-h-i-t, if we compare to a ferrari or a lamborgini ..

a tenessee great bourbon will be big s-h-i-t, next to a super japanese whiskey ...

If only you could compare two things that are really comparable!
I used professional isospeed 1.20mm this week. it's a fabulous string, really, very technical, I would be hard pressed to tell the difference with natural gut. (isospeed 1.20mm vs tonic 1.35mm).

but at 15 € per set, I must admit that it is difficult to go the distance with my mantis synthetic power which costs only 45 € for 200m.

seriously .. the isospeed was fabulous! .. for 1h45, then broke like glass! .tension stability perfect (for as little time) it's a really great string! but at that price, it is unthinkable! mantis with the same tension play a little more sticky, a little less pop, a little less powerful, a little less control! But:

mantis 1.25mm power synth costs less than 2.70 € per set. and breaks after 2:30on full bed. and if I use it in hybrid with a poly such as black force 1.14mm in cross, it becomes very controlled, and recovers pop. and in this case, it will cost me around 2.15 € for a hybrid !. which will break after 5 to 6 hours.

and it's very close to the sensations of isospeed.
why will i pay 6 to 7 times more, to enjoy the wonderful for 2 hours, while for the same price I would be on the tennis court for more than 25 to 30 hours.

the economy is reason enough to get slightly less pop, a little less power and control than with isospeed !.

I would commit a little more, I would type a little more in the ball, I would be a little more dynamic on my legs, I would prepare a little earlier my shots.
Black Force is dent/notch resistant?
Do you know what is the most dent/notch resistant string from PP?
 
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