Pro's Pro Strings!?

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
I've been playing since I was 7 years old, I've been competing since the age of 12, and I'm 38. my brothers have the same profile and are 4 years older and 2 years younger than me. my brother was one of the best on the area where I live... I think PP has such a catalog of strings that by taking just 5 or 6 references in 2 gauges that would suit 99% of players. blackout, Plus Power, cyber power, eruption, gutex et synthetic gut.

the problem is not (and never will be PP), a PP string will be optimal in 90% of the times and will last 10 hours before breaking or being dead,but it is easier to find that the PP strings are not good enough and that they are not up to their game.


and that these strings pose as much of a problem as: the wind, the humidity, the 3-year-old crying on the edge of the court, the referee, the light,the sand that slides on the court, the racket, the overgrip, the meal we ate yesterday, the soles of worn shoes, the balls too hard, or too moles.

instead of acknowledging: you suck!. otherwise, you'd be playing the us open, or rolland garros. Of course not. you just suck! and you're looking for a million excuses to explain your nullity!. and strings, tensions, rackets, referee, weather, sun, clouds, wind, balls will always be a much better culprit.

sometimes you have to know how to recognize. you reach your limits, and it's not the strings, the rackets, the shoes, the vitamins, the energy drinks, or any stupidity that will win you! or lose. it will be you, your game, your level, your training hours.

as soon as you understand and admit that, you'll understand that any PP string will go to you widely. and if it's not powerful enough, or accurate enough, not enough effect, or whatever, it won't be the fault of the string, or anything else, but just your fault!.
You are very smart Lucie. To bad you are not in my neighborhood otherwise i would be intetested in hitting some balls with you ;-)
Only you forgot to mention the mental aspect which is as important as all the other
factors combined. I realized that during a grueling match last year during a flying storm, after midnight, bad artificial light, oneven clay court , rotten balls and an opponent who hit strange wrisrty low bouncing balls. I thought " wel he must have the same tough conditions, so i want to make the last -match- point. And i did after 3 hours! .I was to tired to be happy but it was an eye opener. Not to say i want all my matches to go like that.
I wonder if it doesnt matter what pros pro string one uses, why not use the cheapest poly of them, Strategem 10, which is even supposed to be similar to the famous Head hawk?
And arent you yourself still searching for the perfect hybrid?
 

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
Who can compare Cyber Power white and black? Different feeling?
so many people are looking for certainties on these 3 to 4 strings (cyberpower 1.20, 1.25, black, white, siver. red if still exists?)

total of 8 set will cost you $ 30, it is much less than alu power.

I encourage you to take the test, and to create a post for it.
 

WilPro

Semi-Pro
Sometimes it's all in your head.

I have to admit sometimes I was playing cheap gear that felt great but I was still thinking of expensive gear. Sometimes it makes me feel great having it just because it is expensive though it is trash, I mean expensive trash and useless for me.
So, it is a mental thing most of the times. It happened to me that I bought expensive gear and hated it afterwards.

Another mental thing is the confidence you have playing some gear or another. For example I was playing one of my former coaches once and he was destroying me and outsmarting me. He is in his late 70s and that didn't sit well with me. I changed racquet and went for one with a different string setup. He smiled and said gear does not make a difference. I went for a racquet strung with Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable. I was sure that will make the difference. Played a lot better from there on.

At the end he asked me if I believe the string made the difference. I was 100% sure of that. He told me I am wrong. It was the confidence it gave me. He said he seen me going for every shot, full power, full confidence, didn't hold anything back. Torpedo after torpedo and almost all of them reached the target. I think it was a combination. I remember first 3 shots, 3 torpedos into the court. From there on I felt like I am the captain of that ship and I can make the rules there.

Later on I took a racquet strung with PP Blackout. The result was the same. So, I guess he was right, I was mentally weak. At that time I used to melt down really easy. If three shots would go wrong I was down and out.

So yeah, a lot of stuff is just in your head. But there are also cases of gear that is incompatible with one player or another.

I had gear that I totally hated. Also depending on the weather, opponent, mood or your shape for the moment (how tired/energetic you are) you might need a different gear, different setup. So, there is no perfect setup.

Experimenting always pays off. And with PP you can experiment all the possible combinations. That's why I love these strings.
Reviews are dependant on what the reviewer feels with HIS shots, HIS racquets, HIS setup. It might not be the same for you. That's why many times you get contradictory reviews. Some say this string is stiff some say it is soft. :)
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
so many people are looking for certainties on these 3 to 4 strings (cyberpower 1.20, 1.25, black, white, siver. red if still exists?)

total of 8 set will cost you $ 30, it is much less than alu power.

I encourage you to take the test, and to create a post for it.
I will try Cyber Power black as a cross.
But I'm sure a player here can tell me if the black version is stiffer or not than the white. ;)
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
I will try Cyber Power black as a cross. But I'm sure a player here can tell me if the black version is stiffer or not than the white. ;)
I will try Cyber Power black as a cross.
But I'm sure a player here can tell me if the black version is stiffer or not than the white. ;)
If you are experimenting maybe you would like to test and compare the cyber power 1.25 in lime too which i find a very exciting color and would match as a cross hex twist in lime as mains perfectly.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
If you are experimenting maybe you would like to test and compare the cyber power 1.25 in lime too which i find a very exciting color and would match as a cross hex twist in lime as mains perfectly.
I'm not interested about Hex Twist. And trying BO remember me how nice is a black string in my PA! I'm back into the dark side!! :happydevil:
I will try next:
BO/BF
BO/BE
S8
 
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WilPro

Semi-Pro
I have a plan to buy every PP string in reels. That's because over the years I found that every string has it's uses.

If you hybrid them and try different tensions you will find a sweetspot for everything.
 
a player who breaks BO 1.29 in 4 hours will be so good that he will have at least 3 rackets and will be able to string himself. therefore, BO will be an excellent channel.

for me, if it breaks BO in 4 hours, few strings costing two to three times as much will never last two to three times as long. whether in terms of tension stability or durability.

my brother was playing with steam 99, 16/15, and using 4G lux in 1.40mm breack after 8 hours, he switched to red devil in 1.29 and it lasted 3h30. except that red devil 200m cost double the price of 4G 1.40 in 12m ... therefore, no hesitation.
Might sound practical but three racquets aren't enough in that situation. We had one player with 5 racquets and that was working ok until he realised that Solinco Hyper-G allowed him to hit more consistently and win more matches. It might have been the green colour of the string, but I don't think so.

Remember, it isn't always just about cost. It is also about maximising performance on the court. That usually means maximising the chances of WINNING matches.

You mean the Wilson Steam 99S. The Wilson Steam 99 had a 16/18 pattern.

I have a 99S, interesting racquet with the right string. I found it worked best with a 15 Gauge Syn Gut. Wilson produce one that works well.

But imho, no serious player would use a 99S for decent Singles based competition. The racquet is just too unpredictable. Nice idea, but failed abysmally in practice.

Sorry, as much as I like PP BO ... and I think BO is the best string PP make ... no PP string is going to perform as well in an advanced player's racquet as 4G is. (Unless perhaps your name is Jim Courier!)
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Impossible to find Cyber Power black in 12m in Europe...
I ordered a set of S8 1.30 to try! Curious to compare it to BO 1.28!
 

Karstic

Rookie
BO/BF probably my best first serve setup...but it’s just too soft. Loses tension super quick during the summer especially. I like a soft boardy feeling...not a pillow
I'm curious about what kind of machine your racquets are strung on. BF has more latent stretch than any string I've used, and I wonder if this may be the cause of your rapid tension loss, especially if you are using a lock-out tension device.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
S8 1.30 is really a lot more powerful than BO 1.28?
Need to know if I have to string S8 a little bit higher than BO.
For an honost comparison you should only string at same tension in same racquet with same balls under same conditions like temp and wind and court. I m curious if you find that s8 1.30 plays same as rpm blast 1.30?
And
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Might sound practical but three racquets aren't enough in that situation. We had one player with 5 racquets and that was working ok until he realised that Solinco Hyper-G allowed him to hit more consistently and win more matches. It might have been the green colour of the string, but I don't think so.

Remember, it isn't always just about cost. It is also about maximising performance on the court. That usually means maximising the chances of WINNING matches.

You mean the Wilson Steam 99S. The Wilson Steam 99 had a 16/18 pattern.

I have a 99S, interesting racquet with the right string. I found it worked best with a 15 Gauge Syn Gut. Wilson produce one that works well.

But imho, no serious player would use a 99S for decent Singles based competition. The racquet is just too unpredictable. Nice idea, but failed abysmally in practice.

Sorry, as much as I like PP BO ... and I think BO is the best string PP make ... no PP string is going to perform as well in an advanced player's racquet as 4G is. (Unless perhaps your name is Jim Courier!)
You fall in the trap lucie wants us to warn for: much more expensive strings dont always play much better. Anyway according to players who have used both 4G and pros pro spinox admit they are very close. I dont like spinox in closed string patterns but in 16x18 i do like it.
Furthermore i want to remind you that even Nadal used the cheapest Babolat poly during his first years on the tour when he even won grandslams! So..
 

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
in the PP catalog there is a string that tempts me. but I received 3 rolls of twine this week. (a synthetic power mantis in natural and another in black, and a pink s-gut babolat).

so, I will have to wait a bit.

but the string I wanted to buy is the dura ace. a multi that structurally resembles the kingut, (multi heart and coated braided fis), existing in 1.20mm, in black, natural and yellow. which is a bit expensive. € 20 for 110m. it is intended for squash. but, I was assured that it could be played in tennis. (moreover, tecnifibre and toalson manufacture the same strings used in tennis and squash).

therefore, this hybrid would be PP dura ace and a black force 1.14 cross. I dream about it.

but my mantis power synth 1.25mm / polyfibre poly hitghtec 1.10mm is awesome!
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Might sound practical but three racquets aren't enough in that situation. We had one player with 5 racquets and that was working ok until he realised that Solinco Hyper-G allowed him to hit more consistently and win more matches. It might have been the green colour of the string, but I don't think so.

Remember, it isn't always just about cost. It is also about maximising performance on the court. That usually means maximising the chances of WINNING matches.

You mean the Wilson Steam 99S. The Wilson Steam 99 had a 16/18 pattern.

I have a 99S, interesting racquet with the right string. I found it worked best with a 15 Gauge Syn Gut. Wilson produce one that works well.

But imho, no serious player would use a 99S for decent Singles based competition. The racquet is just too unpredictable. Nice idea, but failed abysmally in practice.

Sorry, as much as I like PP BO ... and I think BO is the best string PP make ... no PP string is going to perform as well in an advanced player's racquet as 4G is. (Unless perhaps your name is Jim Courier!)
You fall in the trap lucie wants us to warn for: much more expensive strings dont always play much better. Anyway according to players who have used both 4G and pros pro spinox admit they are very close. I dont like spinox in closed string patterns but in 16x18 i do like it.
Why is it you don't like it in close patterns? Is it too stiff?
yes then it feels rather wire like and dead. maybe as a cross for sgut it would be fine. I dont understand how Tsitsipas can play 4g at high tension in his closed patterend blade.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
in the PP catalog there is a string that tempts me. but I received 3 rolls of twine this week. (a synthetic power mantis in natural and another in black, and a pink s-gut babolat).

so, I will have to wait a bit.

but the string I wanted to buy is the dura ace. a multi that structurally resembles the kingut, (multi heart and coated braided fis), existing in 1.20mm, in black, natural and yellow. which is a bit expensive. € 20 for 110m. it is intended for squash. but, I was assured that it could be played in tennis. (moreover, tecnifibre and toalson manufacture the same strings used in tennis and squash).

therefore, this hybrid would be PP dura ace and a black force 1.14 cross. I dream about it.

but my mantis power synth 1.25mm / polyfibre poly hitghtec 1.10mm is awesome!
interceptor can be found at the thin 1.20 too. I myself tried Solinco outlast at 1.15 and Topspin cyber flash at 1.20 but i remember these thin strings dont play soft at all.
 
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liftordie

Hall of Fame
train long, long, long, then, once trained enough, train long, long and long again .. do the satélitte tournament circuit, then atp 250, 500, 1000, participate in a few grand slams, win the master ... then you will know ..
Not only training... Most important at this level: TALENT.
And talent can't be learn...
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Really? Maybe its in his Greek food. We all know that there are plenty of high ranked ATP players who play with a very soft set up like Nishikori or even Fed with his hybrid with gut in the mains! So i dont know if it has anything to do with talent too.
I think it was MCenroe who once said, "Hard work can beat talent if talent doesn't work hard".
Tsi wasnt a high ranked player his whole life. Even before he played professional he appearantly played with this frying pan. It could wel be that he is just lucky not being injured yet?
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Really? Maybe its in his Greek food. We all know that there are plenty of high ranked ATP players who play with a very soft set up like Nishikori or even Fed with his hybrid with gut in the mains! So i dont know if it has anything to do with talent too.
I think it was MCenroe who once said, "Hard work can beat talent if talent doesn't work hard".
Tsi wasnt a high ranked player his whole life. Even before he played professional he appearantly played with this frying pan. It could wel be that he is just lucky not being injured yet?
Some plays with hard setup, others with "soft"...
I'm not a fan of Tsitsipas but he is a real talent and a real hard worker too. That's for sure.

You will never be able to play with his racket, man... That's all you need to understand! :D (y)
 

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
You will never be able to play with his racket, man... That's all you need to understand! :D (y)
play with yes. touch the ball yes. send back, from time to time on the other side of the court yes, have fun with it, yes ... play like him, with the same intensity, the same strokes, the same power, control, energy, cadence ... unless to be himself .. I find it hard to think! ..
 

WilPro

Semi-Pro
You will never be able to play with his racket, man... That's all you need to understand! :D (y)
You are delusional, 100%.

Tsitsipas is no good player. He is there just because sports in general is dropping the quality of game.

The new players are worse and worse. And that's not only tennis. One big reason Fed keeps playing until his 40s. The LostGen was supposed to kick the Big3 out of the game, they failed.

That being said Tsitsipas is a miserable player. Best of the LostGen are by far Medvedev and Thiem. All the other ones are pure garbage. They belong in a trash bin.
 
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liftordie

Hall of Fame
You are delusional, 100%.

Tsitsipas is no good player. He is there just because sports in general is dropping the quality of game.

The new players are worse and worse. And that's not only tennis. One big reason Fed keeps playing until his 40s. The LostGen was supposed to kick the Big3 out of the game, they failed.

That being said Tsitsipas is a miserable player. Best of the LostGen are by far Medvedev and Thiem. All the other ones are pure garbage. They belong in a trash bin.
Why so much hate and bitterness...
I really like Sinner and Rublev.

Now we have to go back to PP. 8-B
 

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
You are delusional, 100%.

Tsitsipas is no good player. He is there just because sports in general is dropping the quality of game.
I agree with you..

but. in the category of "bad players", he is one of the least "bad", and therefore, by logic, he is one of the best.

the less not good are necessarily the good. or the least worse.
if he was a real no good, he wouldn't be there where he is.

or else, there would be many "good" ones ahead of him. however, there are not that many.

now to define what a good or a less good player is.
Andres Gomez was a player. that I hated for a long time. but what I would have liked to be bad like him, and to win a grand slam like him to the detriment of a player as good as André! ..
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
I agree with you..

but. in the category of "bad players", he is one of the least "bad", and therefore, by logic, he is one of the best.

the less not good are necessarily the good. or the least worse.
if he was a real no good, he wouldn't be there where he is.

or else, there would be many "good" ones ahead of him. however, there are not that many.

now to define what a good or a less good player is.
Andres Gomez was a player. that I hated for a long time. but what I would have liked to be bad like him, and to win a grand slam like him to the detriment of a player as good as André! ..
Rafa, Fed and Nole are just MONSTERS who play at the same time... They are from another world...
We can't say the others are bad players... They are just normal great players!
The big 3 is NOT normal!!! :D
 

lucieisland

Semi-Pro
Rafa, Fed and Nole are just MONSTERS who play at the same time... They are from another world...
We can't say the others are bad players... They are just normal great players!
The big 3 is NOT normal!!! :D
ok, agree 95% completely
if that was really the case, each of these 3 would only lose against another of these 3, but it happens and much more often than I think I think, that these 3 lose. and against someone who is not part of the club of 3! so, for me, there are other good, very good ones, which can also, from time to time, become monsters ...
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
ok, agree 95% completely
if that was really the case, each of these 3 would only lose against another of these 3, but it happens and much more often than I think I think, that these 3 lose. and against someone who is not part of the club of 3! so, for me, there are other good, very good ones, which can also, from time to time, become monsters ...
Very few times since 15years...!!! :-D
 

tennisBIEST

Professional
Back to Pros Pro
S8 1.30 is really a lot more powerful than BO 1.28?
Need to know if I have to string S8 a little bit higher than BO.
I haven’t played with S8 1.30 but the 1.20 is quite stiff to me. However in an open patterned racquet like yours Prince 03 Tour 16x18(right?) it may play softer. Softer than BO I doubt it. But I would definitely string same tension to do a fair comparison. I played with BO 1.24/Concept 1.20 at 54/52 in in a really open patterned Head Graphene 360 Extreme all week and I was hammering my serves and the feel off the string bed was very plush. Not as much spin as Hyper G but it felt better to me.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Back to Pros Pro

I haven’t played with S8 1.30 but the 1.20 is quite stiff to me. However in an open patterned racquet like yours Prince 03 Tour 16x18(right?) it may play softer. Softer than BO I doubt it. But I would definitely string same tension to do a fair comparison. I played with BO 1.24/Concept 1.20 at 54/52 in in a really open patterned Head Graphene 360 Extreme all week and I was hammering my serves and the feel off the string bed was very plush. Not as much spin as Hyper G but it felt better to me.
Tomorrow I will try BO1.28/BF1.24 in my PA.
I will also try MSV Focus-Hex 1.27 in my other PA.
After that I will try S8 1.30 at same tension as BO 1.28. ;)
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Tomorrow I will try BO1.28/BF1.24 in my PA.
I will also try MSV Focus-Hex 1.27 in my other PA.
After that I will try S8 1.30 at same tension as BO 1.28. ;)
-thats a good play test
-msv is the better string, in evey category, except price
-its also a bit stiffer/notisable IMO
-msv came in regular and soft version; the soft version is a great string
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
-thats a good play test
-msv is the better string, in evey category, except price
-its also a bit stiffer/notisable IMO
-msv came in regular and soft version; the soft version is a great string
I tried Focus-Hex Ultra some months ago and it's a good string!
Focus-Hex seems to have better control and one of the best playability duration on the market.
The price for a reel is two times more than PP, but half the price of Solinco! ;)
Not impossible that FH 1.27 becomes my next string!! :)
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
@liftordie
-agree on price comments ^^ and tension maintenance of MSV is also GOOD
-i used msv alot, very early on(10+ years ago by now), one of my favorites!, i still have some in my inventory
-i loved the spin and the playability of the SOFT version over the hex.ultra
-the price of PP was hard to beat!!, specially since it played almost as good as other strings out there
-i also liked the variety of PP strings and colors i could get
-msv is a good string, priced correctly for its quality, a sleeper IMO
-i found lots of good string companies in this "correctly priced/performance" category : isospeed, topspin, msv, signum pro
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
@liftordie
-agree on price comments ^^ and tension maintenance of MSV is also GOOD
-i used msv alot, very early on(10+ years ago by now), one of my favorites!, i still have some on my inventory
-i loved the spin and the playability of the SOFT version over the hex.ultra
-the price of PP was hard to beat!!, specially since it played almost as good as other strings out there
-i also liked the variety of PP strings and colors i could get
-msv is a good string, priced correctly for its quality, a sleeper IMO
-i found lots of good string companies in this "correctly priced/performance" category : isospeed, topspin, msv, signum pro
I'm afraid about soft version of a good string... It's always... softer! Which mean less control and more power...
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
I'm afraid about soft version of a good string... It's always... softer! Which mean less control and more power...
-i see your dilemma, and yes i agree!! 100%
-now a days specially, the "soft version" is TOO SOFT!!, specially in PP strings, from the very soft versions i have tried
-i came along when the second generation of polys where showing up, sooo the soft version was not soft, just softer
-msv.focus.hex soft, i think might be just be "msv.focus.hex", now!!
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
-i see your dilemma, and yes i agree!! 100%
-now a days specially, the "soft version" is TOO SOFT!!, specially in PP strings, from the very soft versions i have tried
-i came along when the second generation of polys where showing up, sooo the soft version was not soft, just softer
-msv.focus.hex soft, i think might be just be "msv.focus.hex", now!!
I will try both, man!!! :p
 
The Proof of the Pudding is in the eating.

We can talk about all the different strings ad nauseum. But there is a simple test which never fails to provide the right answer.

How many times do you win tennis matches? And when you do win, WHY do you win?

If you are winning all the time with PP strings. Go for it.

But if you are not, then consider alternatives. And that includes more expensive, and much more expensive alternatives.

I have seen many players improve their Win / Loss ratio simply by switching to more expensive strings. They don't care the reason, they just see the result. And that is all that matters to them.

PP strings are cheaper than many others. But if you win a lot less with them, then they are not better value.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
The Proof of the Pudding is in the eating.

We can talk about all the different strings ad nauseum. But there is a simple test which never fails to provide the right answer.

How many times do you win tennis matches? And when you do win, WHY do you win?

If you are winning all the time with PP strings. Go for it.

But if you are not, then consider alternatives. And that includes more expensive, and much more expensive alternatives.

I have seen many players improve their Win / Loss ratio simply by switching to more expensive strings. They don't care the reason, they just see the result. And that is all that matters to them.

PP strings are cheaper than many others. But if you win a lot less with them, then they are not better value.
That's all MENTAL, man!!! o_O:-D:whistle:(y)
 

emn8

Rookie
The Proof of the Pudding is in the eating.

We can talk about all the different strings ad nauseum. But there is a simple test which never fails to provide the right answer.

How many times do you win tennis matches? And when you do win, WHY do you win?

If you are winning all the time with PP strings. Go for it.

But if you are not, then consider alternatives. And that includes more expensive, and much more expensive alternatives.

I have seen many players improve their Win / Loss ratio simply by switching to more expensive strings. They don't care the reason, they just see the result. And that is all that matters to them.

PP strings are cheaper than many others. But if you win a lot less with them, then they are not better value.
You just nailed this thread in a single post!

Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
 

Binatang

Rookie
-i see your dilemma, and yes i agree!! 100%
-now a days specially, the "soft version" is TOO SOFT!!, specially in PP strings, from the very soft versions i have tried
-i came along when the second generation of polys where showing up, sooo the soft version was not soft, just softer
-msv.focus.hex soft, i think might be just be "msv.focus.hex", now!!
MSV Hex Soft & Hyper G are my 2 "go-to" main strings. Both are great. Hex soft is tad more muted, softer & control-oriented then Hyper G. I will have rackets with both setups & use them depending on weather & ball conditions. Price aside MSV & Solinco are made by the same factory in Taiwan.
 

Binatang

Rookie
Thanks for that nice precision!! (y)
Can you compare Hex Soft with Hex (in 1.27)? Not too much loss of control with Soft?
Thanks
Never did try the regular Hex. As you are familiar with Hyper G, I would say Hex soft has a tad better control & lower power. Tried the Hex soft because it came in 2nd in a Tennis Mag test just behind Head Expirimental (Lynx Tour). At half the price of Hyper G ... I can't complain!
 
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