Pro's Pro Strings!?

esm

Hall of Fame
-yeah, but i think it might have been a batch of string reels
-almost seemed like they forgot to add the final coat to the string, to lock in the blue pigment,, ??
-i emailed bt10nis to report issue, they just acknowledged the problem and nothing beyond that
that is a shame - i thought they'd send you another reel to compensate.
i have 2 reels of the blue and not had issues like yours, but the first reel of the purple was abit sticky but i don't remember the coating came off in the end... well, no one has complained yet.. so donno. lol
 

mag8

Rookie
last season i played a lot with blackout 1.24, now that the season started again i am trying more the red devil. I think i like red devil even more than blackout.

seems to have more power, which allows me to have a very relaxed swing and focus more on generating spin/control.

they are very similar, just a tad more power in the red devil in my experience
 

edelp

Semi-Pro
last season i played a lot with blackout 1.24, now that the season started again i am trying more the red devil. I think i like red devil even more than blackout.

seems to have more power, which allows me to have a very relaxed swing and focus more on generating spin/control.

they are very similar, just a tad more power in the red devil in my experience
also here, I prefer slightly RD, don´t you think that RD is also more comfortable ?
 

Uncoil

Semi-Pro
Any additional feedback on Eruption? Not much discussion in this or it's dessicated thread..
Eruption is a pretty good offering from Pro's Pro. I've used the 1.18 version in a full bed for several hours and it had pretty good spin and control. Nothing extraordinary. I liked it better than Black Force 1.19. Eruption is my cross string with Hyper G mains.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
also here, I prefer slightly RD, don´t you think that RD is also more comfortable ?
-just strung up one of my racquets with RD 1.29mm string
-it should work well on my open pattern stick
-at this thick gauge (RD 1.29mm), i did not experience any bad "stretching", as with thinner RD gauges
-its a good comfortable string, as you've said
-for even more comfort though, 17g pp.istring.super.soft (BLUE) is working for me
 

Cobra Tennis

Professional
Strung up my Pure Drive team with a full bed of Red Devil 17g at 50lbs on my Ektelon H and had a great hit with it playing some quality 4.0 doubles. comfort, spin, and felt like I had a predictable string bed for $1.50 a string job. Really hard to beat!

I'm also one of those guys who plays with fresh strings nearly every time I play---the downside of owning a stringing a machine...or is that a plus? :)
 

taydbear7

Semi-Pro
Strung up my Pure Drive team with a full bed of Red Devil 17g at 50lbs on my Ektelon H and had a great hit with it playing some quality 4.0 doubles. comfort, spin, and felt like I had a predictable string bed for $1.50 a string job. Really hard to beat!

I'm also one of those guys who plays with fresh strings nearly every time I play---the downside of owning a stringing a machine...or is that a plus? :)
Really like RD. I'm going to order another reel. I did a light hitting session the first hour I hit with a VCP 97HD with full bed of multi. It just has a weird pop coming off the string so I switch to the racquet with RD and loved the feel. I'm about 8 hours into the string and they still have a nice pop to them. Debating if I should cut them out and replace them for a tournament tomorrow.
 

mag8

Rookie
Strung up my Pure Drive team with a full bed of Red Devil 17g at 50lbs on my Ektelon H and had a great hit with it playing some quality 4.0 doubles. comfort, spin, and felt like I had a predictable string bed for $1.50 a string job. Really hard to beat!

I'm also one of those guys who plays with fresh strings nearly every time I play---the downside of owning a stringing a machine...or is that a plus? :)
The curse of having a string machine. Getting a stringjob basically every time I go out to play :)
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Really like RD. I'm going to order another reel. I did a light hitting session the first hour I hit with a VCP 97HD with full bed of multi. It just has a weird pop coming off the string so I switch to the racquet with RD and loved the feel. I'm about 8 hours into the string and they still have a nice pop to them. Debating if I should cut them out and replace them for a tournament tomorrow.
has rd better durability than black force of same gauge, because some arque its the other way around although they seem to be similar strings
 

taydbear7

Semi-Pro
has rd better durability than black force of same gauge, because some arque its the other way around although they seem to be similar strings
RD is the only poly from Pro that I've played with. I'm curious about Black Force, Black Out and Eruption though.
 
1HBHfanatic points out one of the problems that typifies, but is not exclusive to, many of the cheaper strings. If it smells bad, it is probably an orthophthalate plasticizer. The manufacturer uses that as a cheap way to reduce lower the glass transition temperature of the plastic instead of designing a copoly with the proper characteristics. This is a fancy way of saying that it makes the string softer—temporarily, until it all evaporates out and the string then becomes very brittle. This is most often done on multifiber coatings. My rule is that if I can smell it, I know it is going to embrittle and I avoid it. This will also affect the shelf life of the string. A non plasticized poly might have a shelf life of several thousand years. Plasticized strings will degrade continually and in the worst cases with really cheap stuff from the far east, turn into an unusable wad in several years.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
has rd better durability than black force of same gauge, because some arque its the other way around although they seem to be similar strings
Other way around. BF is slightly MORE durable than RD. They are very close though. Switching from RD to BF allowed me to keep the 1.19. Staying with RD I would have had to go up a gauge.
 
I would like to buy 2 reels at Pro’s pro for an hybrid.
A syn gut for the mains and a copoly spin and arm friendly on crosses.
What would be the best option ?
Thank you!
 

jalapeno74

New User
I second this, i have both Red Devil & Blackout in the cart and i am thinking of getting the Oehms as well for some customers
Black Pearl is the ONLY poly I can use right now (only as a cross with SG in the mains) but it plays just great. WOuld be great to have another option, if not I‘ll just stick with it.
 

mag8

Rookie
Black Pearl is the ONLY poly I can use right now (only as a cross with SG in the mains) but it plays just great. WOuld be great to have another option, if not I‘ll just stick with it.
I wanted to buy them when they had the 2x1 last year but i hesitated and haven't tried them yet
 

taydbear7

Semi-Pro
Is there something close to velocity in the pro's pro string ?
I just got a reel of Hexmulti in. My next string job will be RD/Hex. I currently have about 10 hours in the hybrid and I hate to cut it out since everything is good at the moment and nothing is flying to the fence (yet) so I'll keep playing with it until tension is gone.
 

mag8

Rookie
I just got a reel of Hexmulti in. My next string job will be RD/Hex. I currently have about 10 hours in the hybrid and I hate to cut it out since everything is good at the moment and nothing is flying to the fence (yet) so I'll keep playing with it until tension is gone.
What's the best way to pair a multifilament with a poly?
I am not an expert in hybrids, so i have no clue. Do you put the poly as a main?
 

taydbear7

Semi-Pro
What's the best way to pair a multifilament with a poly?
I am not an expert in hybrids, so i have no clue. Do you put the poly as a main?
For me yes. I need the control in the mains and having multi in the crosses soften up the string bed as opposed to FB of poly.
 

mag8

Rookie
I am almost.running out of the Blackout, i need.to place a new order with the Austrians.

I am curious about the Eruption string, how does it compare to Blackout? Worth switching?
 

taydbear7

Semi-Pro
I am almost.running out of the Blackout, i need.to place a new order with the Austrians.

I am curious about the Eruption string, how does it compare to Blackout? Worth switching?
Eruption and Black Force I’ve been eyeing but it will be hard to get away from RD for me.
 

mag8

Rookie
I find RD and Black Out to be very similar for me. RD is more powerful (at least for me) and Blackout has more control.

Since i have the hexmulti as well i might try the combo you suggested as well
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
Getting around to use a set of eruption. Will be putting it in a yonex rd7. Not sure of tension. I usually do poly in this racquet at 43 or 45.
Any eruption users with input on tension and also what does this string play like?
 

Karstic

Rookie
I am finally trying to make a racquet switch, from the Pro Staff 90s to the RF 97. After stringing the new racquet up with Nano Vendetta at 46#, which I found to be ideal in the 90s, the string bed felt stiffer, despite the larger bed. A BO/BF hybrid set up at the same tension didn't satisfy either. I will tinker with tensions with these and other strings, but I wondered if anyone here has any experience with Pro's Pro strings in this frame.
 
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ron schaap

Hall of Fame
1HBHfanatic points out one of the problems that typifies, but is not exclusive to, many of the cheaper strings. If it smells bad, it is probably an orthophthalate plasticizer. The manufacturer uses that as a cheap way to reduce lower the glass transition temperature of the plastic instead of designing a copoly with the proper characteristics. This is a fancy way of saying that it makes the string softer—temporarily, until it all evaporates out and the string then becomes very brittle. This is most often done on multifiber coatings. My rule is that if I can smell it, I know it is going to embrittle and I avoid it. This will also affect the shelf life of the string. A non plasticized poly might have a shelf life of several thousand years. Plasticized strings will degrade continually and in the worst cases with really cheap stuff from the far east, turn into an unusable wad in several years.
its rather nonsense to avoid all products with plastiziser https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasticizer

It isnt at all a sign of cheap production too. I can use for a year or longer the same plastic bag and it wont get brittle at all because most of its weakener ingredients wont escape just like it doesnt with tennis strings. Think about it, your new expensive rubber tires for your car smell too but they dont get brittle very soon, do they!
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
I am finally trying to make a racquet switch, from the Pro Staff 90s to the RF 97. After stringing the new racquet up with Nano Vendetta at 46#, which I found to be ideal in the 90s, the string bed felt stiffer, despite the larger bed. A BO/BF hybrid set up at the same tension didn't satisfy either. I will tinker with tensions with these and other strings, but I wondered it anyone here has any experience with Pro's Pro strings in this frame.
maybe the rf frame feels stiffer regardless strings, because it is a stiffer frame or maybe you used a leather grip on it that transmitt all bad vibrations?
 

Karstic

Rookie
maybe the rf frame feels stiffer regardless strings, because it is a stiffer frame or maybe you used a leather grip on it that transmitt all bad vibrations?
It is a bit stiffer according to TW test results, and I suspect that is the reason. The leather grip actually feels a bit thicker and softer, which I don't like. Doesn't seem to be any bad vibration issues, it's just that the 90s and NV @ 46# seemed to be in perfect resonance. Logic would seem to suggest higher tensions in order, but I hope to profit from others' experience with this frame, or just knowledgeable advice, to shorten the search. Thanks for commenting.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
It is a bit stiffer according to TW test results, and I suspect that is the reason. The leather grip actually feels a bit thicker and softer, which I don't like. Doesn't seem to be any bad vibration issues, it's just that the 90s and NV @ 46# seemed to be in perfect resonance. Logic would seem to suggest higher tensions in order, but I hope to profit from others' experience with this frame, or just knowledgeable advice, to shorten the search. Thanks for commenting.
no tnx
i m interested in a affordable durable string with control, enough feel, pockability like nano vendetta 1.30 promises? or would Red devil 1.29 be better?
 

Karstic

Rookie
no tnx
i m interested in a affordable durable string with control, enough feel, pockability like nano vendetta 1.30 promises? or would Red devil 1.29 be better?
I tried Red Devil in the 90 years ago and did not like it. Too much of a trampoline feeling, but that was 1.19. The Nano Vendetta, in contrast, seems to grab the ball briefly, and add spin to it. I assume that is what is meant by pocketing.
 

ChimpChimp

Semi-Pro
Comparing Blackout 1.24mm vs Plus Power 1.18mm

BOPP = mains BO 50 x PP 48 crosses
BOBO = BO 50 x BO 48
PPPP = PP 50 x PP 48

I do hybrid because I want shaped mains and round crosses. I tried Red Devil and BlackForce 1.19 as crosses. They stretched like hell on my dropweight that I could never see the bar resting. I asked here which Pro's Pro was good as crosses while not strectchy, and was recommended PP.

It was my first time committing to reels. I've been using BOPP for 10 string jobs. My problem is that I often spray shots too wide, it's more about my form but still I'd want strings that can help on this. I've tried strings having really good direction control, and BOPP is not one of them. BOPP is satisfactory.

This time I wanted to experiment with different combinations. With only two reels there aren't many options. So I strung BOBO and PPPP with same tensions on two same racquets. The two racquets are leaded to a bit different swingweights.

I tried BOBO first. Wow it gave the 'really good direction control' feel I once got from something else. Then PPPP, balls flied out a lot. Groundstrokes hit to higher apex.

Compared to PPPP, BOBO was
--softer
--more pocketing
--longer dwell time
(points above may be the same thing)
--more topspin
--balls landed where I want
--practically never out to the baseline
--a lot better feel on volleys
--backend slices more spin, and better feel

I know painting the lines is not a good idea but I always aim at lines, so I often lose by flying out. This time I saw maybe ten balls landed ON sidelines. I got more confident in my angles.

BOBO seemed everything better. One thing PPPP did better was serves. Serves with PPPP were a lot faster, although partly because of the higher swingheight of the racquet strung with PPPP. PPPP has more pops, which is excellent for serves, but too much for me on grondstrokes and volleys, to the degree that I can't control.

Not sure but I guess the bad angles and hard feel of BOPP were from PP the material? or from the smaller gauge?
 

Taveren

Professional
I am finally trying to make a racquet switch, from the Pro Staff 90s to the RF 97. After stringing the new racquet up with Nano Vendetta at 46#, which I found to be ideal in the 90s, the string bed felt stiffer, despite the larger bed. A BO/BF hybrid set up at the same tension didn't satisfy either. I will tinker with tensions with these and other strings, but I wondered if anyone here has any experience with Pro's Pro strings in this frame.
What are you aiming for in your string setup? I would suggest you hybrid Blackout as mains and Red Devil as cross and adjust tension to your preference. I normally go with 54/52 lbs in my RF97a using this hybrid and I get good spin, control and more comfort compared to fullbed Blackout. YYMV
 
Comparing Blackout 1.24mm vs Plus Power 1.18mm

BOPP = mains BO 50 x PP 48 crosses
BOBO = BO 50 x BO 48
PPPP = PP 50 x PP 48

I do hybrid because I want shaped mains and round crosses. I tried Red Devil and BlackForce 1.19 as crosses. They stretched like hell on my dropweight that I could never see the bar resting. I asked here which Pro's Pro was good as crosses while not strectchy, and was recommended PP.

It was my first time committing to reels. I've been using BOPP for 10 string jobs. My problem is that I often spray shots too wide, it's more about my form but still I'd want strings that can help on this. I've tried strings having really good direction control, and BOPP is not one of them. BOPP is satisfactory.

This time I wanted to experiment with different combinations. With only two reels there aren't many options. So I strung BOBO and PPPP with same tensions on two same racquets. The two racquets are leaded to a bit different swingweights.

I tried BOBO first. Wow it gave the 'really good direction control' feel I once got from something else. Then PPPP, balls flied out a lot. Groundstrokes hit to higher apex.

Compared to PPPP, BOBO was
--softer
--more pocketing
--longer dwell time
(points above may be the same thing)
--more topspin
--balls landed where I want
--practically never out to the baseline
--a lot better feel on volleys
--backend slices more spin, and better feel

I know painting the lines is not a good idea but I always aim at lines, so I often lose by flying out. This time I saw maybe ten balls landed ON sidelines. I got more confident in my angles.

BOBO seemed everything better. One thing PPPP did better was serves. Serves with PPPP were a lot faster, although partly because of the higher swingheight of the racquet strung with PPPP. PPPP has more pops, which is excellent for serves, but too much for me on grondstrokes and volleys, to the degree that I can't control.

Not sure but I guess the bad angles and hard feel of BOPP were from PP the material? or from the smaller gauge?
Interesting comparison. I have some PPPP in the mail. Hopefully will arrive soon. I haven't tried blackout but will compare it to nano vendetta and intense heat. I prefer round profile strings as I tend to break shapes strings too quickly if used full bed.
 

Karstic

Rookie
What are you aiming for in your string setup? I would suggest you hybrid Blackout as mains and Red Devil as cross and adjust tension to your preference. I normally go with 54/52 lbs in my RF97a using this hybrid and I get good spin, control and more comfort compared to fullbed Blackout. YYMV
When I am swinging the racquet well, with Nano Vendetta @ 46#, it seems as if the racquet and strings are in perfect resonance and the racquet does more work on the ball than it ever has with any other setup. Just looking for that with the new frame. However I am still recovering from an illness a couple of years ago, and just don't have my feet under me yet. (Too lazy to do the necessary footwork drills most likely.) Plus today was only the second time I managed to get on the courts since last fall. I have a reel of BO 1.28 and a set of RD 1.19, so I will give it a try, though I was not very enamored with the RD the last time I tried it. Maybe that softening is what I need. What kind of stringer are you stringing on? Lockout, drop weight, or electric tensioner?
 

irulan

Rookie
Lots of love for Red Devil & Black Force in this thread! As a shaped poly aficionado, how do the shaped/edged offerings stand up against their inspirations / similar price points (Hyper G, RPM Blast, etc)? Namely, I'm curious about the edged/shaped reels

1. Eruption / Eruption Black
2. Blackout
3. Lethal 5
4. Hexaspin
 

ChimpChimp

Semi-Pro
Lots of love for Red Devil & Black Force in this thread! As a shaped poly aficionado, how do the shaped/edged offerings stand up against their inspirations / similar price points (Hyper G, RPM Blast, etc)? Namely, I'm curious about the edged/shaped reels

1. Eruption / Eruption Black
2. Blackout
3. Lethal 5
4. Hexaspin
Edges felt by hand, and also on hitting:
Hyper G >> RPM Blast > Blackout >> Eruption Green

Eruption Green doesn't grab the ball well.
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
Lots of love for Red Devil & Black Force in this thread! As a shaped poly aficionado, how do the shaped/edged offerings stand up against their inspirations / similar price points (Hyper G, RPM Blast, etc)? Namely, I'm curious about the edged/shaped reels

1. Eruption / Eruption Black
2. Blackout
3. Lethal 5
4. Hexaspin
Never tried Lethal 5, but Blackout definitely grips and rips like the typical go-to shaped polys more so than Hexaspin or Eruption IMO.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Comparing Blackout 1.24mm vs Plus Power 1.18mm

BOPP = mains BO 50 x PP 48 crosses
BOBO = BO 50 x BO 48
PPPP = PP 50 x PP 48

I do hybrid because I want shaped mains and round crosses. I tried Red Devil and BlackForce 1.19 as crosses. They stretched like hell on my dropweight that I could never see the bar resting. I asked here which Pro's Pro was good as crosses while not strectchy, and was recommended PP.

It was my first time committing to reels. I've been using BOPP for 10 string jobs. My problem is that I often spray shots too wide, it's more about my form but still I'd want strings that can help on this. I've tried strings having really good direction control, and BOPP is not one of them. BOPP is satisfactory.

This time I wanted to experiment with different combinations. With only two reels there aren't many options. So I strung BOBO and PPPP with same tensions on two same racquets. The two racquets are leaded to a bit different swingweights.

I tried BOBO first. Wow it gave the 'really good direction control' feel I once got from something else. Then PPPP, balls flied out a lot. Groundstrokes hit to higher apex.

Compared to PPPP, BOBO was
--softer
--more pocketing
--longer dwell time
(points above may be the same thing)
--more topspin
--balls landed where I want
--practically never out to the baseline
--a lot better feel on volleys
--backend slices more spin, and better feel

I know painting the lines is not a good idea but I always aim at lines, so I often lose by flying out. This time I saw maybe ten balls landed ON sidelines. I got more confident in my angles.

BOBO seemed everything better. One thing PPPP did better was serves. Serves with PPPP were a lot faster, although partly because of the higher swingheight of the racquet strung with PPPP. PPPP has more pops, which is excellent for serves, but too much for me on grondstrokes and volleys, to the degree that I can't control.

Not sure but I guess the bad angles and hard feel of BOPP were from PP the material? or from the smaller gauge?
if you want more pocketing from pp than try stringing lower not higher.
 

Taveren

Professional
When I am swinging the racquet well, with Nano Vendetta @ 46#, it seems as if the racquet and strings are in perfect resonance and the racquet does more work on the ball than it ever has with any other setup. Just looking for that with the new frame. However I am still recovering from an illness a couple of years ago, and just don't have my feet under me yet. (Too lazy to do the necessary footwork drills most likely.) Plus today was only the second time I managed to get on the courts since last fall. I have a reel of BO 1.28 and a set of RD 1.19, so I will give it a try, though I was not very enamored with the RD the last time I tried it. Maybe that softening is what I need. What kind of stringer are you stringing on? Lockout, drop weight, or electric tensioner?
I use a drop weight, Red Devil does not work for me in the mains but I like it as a cross.
 
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