Pro's Pro Strings!?

The only thing I can tell you is what a friend told me, that he has a tennis shop in Barcelona, and he has a relationship with Pro's Pro distributors here in Spain, where it sells very well, and why? , because here it is very cheap. Here there are two sides the defenders of the benefits of this cheap string, and those who are convinced that it is a regular Chinese string, but that does not show the virtues of a Luxilon, an RPM Blast, a Solinco Hyper G, Signum Pro, Weiss Cannon etc. A Reel PRO'S pro here costs € 24 approx
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Black Out is made in Germany
 

DariaGT

Professional
RPMB is only good for a set like most Babo strings, then they are as trusting as a politician
while Volkl Cyclone offerings stay true for longer with feel and control

Pity PP does not make a shaped or square version of Concept -aka Weiss Cannon Scorpion
 
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NTB-MTL

Rookie
Tried the Hexaspin in Main with Cyclone Power in cross on my Head Instinct 2022 and Speed MP 2019.
At 1st I was using Plus Power as cross but it had too much power, therefore I'm coming back to my Cyclone Power. It's because my Tennis level is not as good as others :p
With this combination, I'm getting very comfort feel, good spin, not as lively as Eruption, but more direct control.
I think it's a keeper this string for me.
I wanted to try the Plus Power but it's getting hard to cut out the wining combination for now. Summer is showing it way here in Canada so I'm hopping to test this one out soon
I will probably order the Strategem 8 as I read good thing about it and when I do, I will surely report back here and share my finding.
Just got a few days with this PP Strategem 8, wow! very arm friendly string, tone of power when needed, control is there as well, pretty similar to Cyclone Power but you have more direct connect with the balls and a lot more spin, another string to be keep.
 

Jouke

Professional
Just got a few days with this PP Strategem 8, wow! very arm friendly string, tone of power when needed, control is there as well, pretty similar to Cyclone Power but you have more direct connect with the balls and a lot more spin, another string to be keep.
Careful; strategem 8 is one of the biggest armwreckers out there!
 

NTB-MTL

Rookie
Careful; strategem 8 is one of the biggest armwreckers out there!
Really? It's pretty arm friendly on my Head Boom MP, much better than the Plus Power. Has been using it for more than a month now without any arm issue, maybe it's racquet dependent?
 

ppma

Professional
So, I finished my reel of red devil 1.29. It was nice, and the last time I compared the a full PPRD stringbed with more than 60hr until breaking against a freshly strung equal racquet. No much difference in power, but noticeable in the effects / control departments, as expected.

As it's a somewhat low power string at 1.29 I will get a couple of 12m sets of 1.24. I think I will like it.

But also, when entered the shop I saw some new mult gut-like (so to say) reels. They are Pro's Pro Gut 3000, Pro's Pro Superior Gut (don't know if this one's new), and Pro's Pro Tec 1000. I am interested in the last one to try into an hybrid multi/poly set-up. Any recommendations or experiences with these gut-like multis? What PP poly is good as a cross in hybrid set-ups? Wouldn't be looking for a long-lasting poly as the durability will be determined by the multi mains most likely.
 

kevonian

Semi-Pro
I believe Pro's Pro Tec 1000 came out at the beginning of this year. When I asked about them restocking gutex ultra their customer support said they were in the process of gettting a new item in.

I haven’t tried it but I want to once it available on any of the other websites that resell Pros Pro since it is not available in person in the US.
So, I finished my reel of red devil 1.29. It was nice, and the last time I compared the a full PPRD stringbed with more than 60hr until breaking against a freshly strung equal racquet. No much difference in power, but noticeable in the effects / control departments, as expected.

As it's a somewhat low power string at 1.29 I will get a couple of 12m sets of 1.24. I think I will like it.

But also, when entered the shop I saw some new mult gut-like (so to say) reels. They are Pro's Pro Gut 3000, Pro's Pro Superior Gut (don't know if this one's new), and Pro's Pro Tec 1000. I am interested in the last one to try into an hybrid multi/poly set-up. Any recommendations or experiences with these gut-like multis? What PP poly is good as a cross in hybrid set-ups? Wouldn't be looking for a long-lasting poly as the durability will be determined by the multi mains most likely.


I’m also interested in a hybrid multi/poly currently using Diadem Impulse so any cheaper alternative would be great! I always have liked Red Devil as their best round poly. I would suggest PP Concept or Plus Power if you want to experiment with a poly cross. I’m currently using Eruption and Cyclone Power as the cross string with a multi main.
 
The Hexaspin Twist is the best value poly I’ve used. I string it in a hybrid with basic synthetic gut crosses and it is spin friendly, soft for a poly, a great mix of power and control, and was still snapping back after 8-10 hours of play. The tension maintenance is very impressive. I really enjoyed the first 2-3 hours of the Oehms Alu Pearl before they went so dead that my arm was wrecked. Zero of that from Hexaspin Twist. Really impressive for ~$40/660 feet.

The name is dumb though. I’m still working on getting over that.
 
Is the synthetic gut decent? I like the colors, and its synthetic gut which I’m not terribly picky about. Any horror stories or is it serviceable?
 
To me it seems like West Gut, Signum Pro, Kirschbaum, WeissCANNON and Pros Pro...... strings all are made in same German factory. same reel packaging.
My guess is that:
West Gut five sided black = Pros Pro Blackout......
Pros Pro Black Force = Kirschbaum Pro Line II
Pros Pro Cyclone Power = Signum Pro Firestorm
Pros Pro Eruption = Signum Pro X-perience
Pros Pro Red Devil = WiseCANNON Red Ghost
Signum Pro Plasma Hextreme = Pros Pro Hexaspin
 
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Maloya

Rookie
To me it seems like West Gut, Signum Pro, Kirschbaum, WeissCANNON and Pros Pro...... strings all are made in same German factory. same reel packaging.
Pros Pro Red Devil = WiseCANNON Red Ghost
are you sure?
red devil is a around string, and red ghost is a hepta string..!!
 
To me it seems like West Gut, Signum Pro, Kirschbaum, WeissCANNON and Pros Pro...... strings all are made in same German factory. same reel packaging.
My guess is that:
West Gut five sided black = Pros Pro Blackout......
Pros Pro Black Force = Kirschbaum Pro Line II
Pros Pro Cyclone Power = Signum Pro Firestorm
Pros Pro Eruption = Signum Pro X-perience
Pros Pro Red Devil = WiseCANNON Red Ghost
Signum Pro Plasma Hextreme = Pros Pro Hexaspin

Meh - there plenty things wrong about this. But surely the quality difference is not as big as other companies want to make believe.

This goes for a lot of things really that Pros Pro sells - I have their stringing machine, upgraded with Gamma clamps, and it is absolutely on Par with bigger brands.
 

Maloya

Rookie
Meh - there plenty things wrong about this. But surely the quality difference is not as big as other companies want to make believe.
companies? sellers? or users suffering from snobbery?
so many people who don't know the difference between an eruption and an xperience, between a 5black edge and a blackout. and so many other references! just for me a kind of snobbery!

I know dozens of players with a very good level between 5.0 and 6.5 who use pro's pro and are particularly satisfied, don't need the little micro more than the strings of the big brands, and so many players below 3.5 that is saying they can tell the difference between two almost identical strings by criticizing PP!
 

veelium

Hall of Fame
To me it seems like West Gut, Signum Pro, Kirschbaum, WeissCANNON and Pros Pro...... strings all are made in same German factory. same reel packaging.
My guess is that:
West Gut five sided black = Pros Pro Blackout......
Pros Pro Black Force = Kirschbaum Pro Line II
Pros Pro Cyclone Power = Signum Pro Firestorm
Pros Pro Eruption = Signum Pro X-perience
Pros Pro Red Devil = WiseCANNON Red Ghost
Signum Pro Plasma Hextreme = Pros Pro Hexaspin
Pretty sure Pro line isn't the same as Black force. Felt very different to me.
But I'd guess that you are right that many of those are produced in the same factory.
 

kevonian

Semi-Pro
To me it seems like West Gut, Signum Pro, Kirschbaum, WeissCANNON and Pros Pro...... strings all are made in same German factory. same reel packaging.
My guess is that:
West Gut five sided black = Pros Pro Blackout......
Pros Pro Black Force = Kirschbaum Pro Line II
Pros Pro Cyclone Power = Signum Pro Firestorm
Pros Pro Eruption = Signum Pro X-perience
Pros Pro Red Devil = WiseCANNON Red Ghost
Signum Pro Plasma Hextreme = Pros Pro Hexaspin
We need a double blind experiment to determine these but i agree they feel similar to me especially the cyclone power
 
are you sure?
red devil is a around string, and red ghost is a hepta string..!!
I think same material. Shaped strings makes a different projectory and dont add so much to spin. its mostly the correlation between stiffness, elasticity, amount of friction and snapback. plus shaped strings go unshaped after 20 min of hitting, which can make your game confusing as you have to adjust to projectory all the time.
Some of the most spind friendly strings are round, slick and semi-soft.
 

Maloya

Rookie
in fact, I'm not even sure we can make the comparison.

I think so, the strings are very similar, often of the same gauge, but to say that they are identical is only one step that I wouldn't take.
on the other hand, I believe that certain PP strings work differently, but perhaps better than certain other major brands.

for my part, having tried them for years, it seems obvious that the references for example like Weiss scorpion and PP concept are the same (gauge, color), but I am convinced that having tried them both, I find that the PP concept has a little more softness than Weiss!

as true as for the plus power of PP and the poly plasma of signum. visually, poly plasma has pearly reflections that most power does not have. For my part, I find the plus power of PP a little more flexible and explosive than the poly plasma of signum.

I could also cite the comparison between alu power and cyber power, in this area, the superiority of PP is not in the order of gaming characteristics, but more in Tension maintenance.

If I do the math, I would say that:
I prefer plus power to poly plasma, but plus power lasts less time (replace every 5 hours)
I prefer concept to scorpion, but again, it has to be cut after 5 hours (for the 1.27mm), 4 hours is already too much for the 1.22mm.

and finally, I find cyber power playable for much longer than alu power (+12h).

All these features, combined with the very advantageous price of PP, allowed me to save considerably on the string budget. (around €300 per semester) which allowed me to take two other frames (for a total of 4 to 5 identical frames), in this case, PP becomes very interesting, because it allows me to obtain 4 to 5 frames, and thus be able to worry about replacing the string every 2 to 3 weeks!

but this option only works for players who play more than 15 hours per week. and who can Restring their rackets themselves.
 
in fact, I'm not even sure we can make the comparison.

I think so, the strings are very similar, often of the same gauge, but to say that they are identical is only one step that I wouldn't take.
on the other hand, I believe that certain PP strings work differently, but perhaps better than certain other major brands.

for my part, having tried them for years, it seems obvious that the references for example like Weiss scorpion and PP concept are the same (gauge, color), but I am convinced that having tried them both, I find that the PP concept has a little more softness than Weiss!

as true as for the plus power of PP and the poly plasma of signum. visually, poly plasma has pearly reflections that most power does not have. For my part, I find the plus power of PP a little more flexible and explosive than the poly plasma of signum.

I could also cite the comparison between alu power and cyber power, in this area, the superiority of PP is not in the order of gaming characteristics, but more in Tension maintenance.

If I do the math, I would say that:
I prefer plus power to poly plasma, but plus power lasts less time (replace every 5 hours)
I prefer concept to scorpion, but again, it has to be cut after 5 hours (for the 1.27mm), 4 hours is already too much for the 1.22mm.

and finally, I find cyber power playable for much longer than alu power (+12h).

All these features, combined with the very advantageous price of PP, allowed me to save considerably on the string budget. (around €300 per semester) which allowed me to take two other frames (for a total of 4 to 5 identical frames), in this case, PP becomes very interesting, because it allows me to obtain 4 to 5 frames, and thus be able to worry about replacing the string every 2 to 3 weeks!

but this option only works for players who play more than 15 hours per week. and who can Restring their rackets themselves.
Thank you for that insight.
Have you played with other Pros Pro strings? and if what do you think about them and to which do you compare them to?
Its really great the way you have written about them those you have mentioned.
 

ChimpChimp

Semi-Pro
Can somebody here who knows chemistry tell me if chromatography (pointing at those spike charts and say 'this is sodium') is possible to find whether two strings have similar ingredients? After all I tried hard to look for that word so please don't let my effort be wasted.
 

topspinlob

Rookie
To me it seems like West Gut, Signum Pro, Kirschbaum, WeissCANNON and Pros Pro...... strings all are made in same German factory. same reel packaging.
My guess is that:
West Gut five sided black = Pros Pro Blackout......
Pros Pro Black Force = Kirschbaum Pro Line II
Pros Pro Cyclone Power = Signum Pro Firestorm
Pros Pro Eruption = Signum Pro X-perience
Pros Pro Red Devil = WiseCANNON Red Ghost
Signum Pro Plasma Hextreme = Pros Pro Hexaspin
I have triend Pro's Pro Cyclone Power 16 and it is not a Signum Pro Firestorm Clone. Cyclone Power does not have the pop as Firestorm
 
I have triend Pro's Pro Cyclone Power 16 and it is not a Signum Pro Firestorm Clone. Cyclone Power does not have the pop as Firestorm
You are most likely right. I have bought a reel of Cyclone Power. I will also test and see. I think maybe good for cross for a shaped stiff main.
 
I have triend Pro's Pro Cyclone Power 16 and it is not a Signum Pro Firestorm Clone. Cyclone Power does not have the pop as Firestorm
Cyclone Power is probably made in same factory as the Signum Pro's strings including the Firestorm. The Plus Power should be the equivalent to the Signum Pro Poly Plasma. I will test that also.
Also couriously that one brand is called Signum Pro and the other is called Pros Pro. the reels are in same packaging and the colour and shape of certain strings are the same. I have seen a couple of reviews from costumers around the net that say Firestorm is fairly close to the Cyclone power and that the SPPP is fairly close to the Plus Power.
I think is interesting. Especially if only going to use the Pros pro as cross strings.
 

ChimpChimp

Semi-Pro
The Plus Power should be the equivalent to the Signum Pro Poly Plasma. I will test that also.
Also couriously that one brand is called Signum Pro and the other is called Pros Pro. the reels are in same packaging and the colour and shape of certain strings are the same. I have seen a couple of reviews from costumers around the net that say Firestorm is fairly close to the Cyclone power and that the SPPP is fairly close to the Plus Power.
I think is interesting. Especially if only going to use the Pros pro as cross strings.
The colour is slightly different. You can't miss the difference when putting them together. Plus Power is harder than other PP polys say Blackout, Black Force, Red Devil, the last two are known to be very soft. I purposefully tested the two so I remember I could tell the differences in play feel because but what were they?
 
It looks like several Brands get their strings from same factories.....
Kirschbaum, Westgut, Pros Pro, Signum Pro, Polyfibre, and others.
Polyfibre has the Panthera and could be a version of Red devil....Black Out could be any semi soft black string on the german marked. Tennis-point also have some strings in their name like the Premium Touch which is close to the Black Out.
 
Another tell tell sign is that they sell the same stringing machine under different names.
The Signum Pro s-6700 professional, is the same as the Pros Pro Tom Cat. Even down to the clamp holderes. just different stand. But the type of Signum Pro stand, you can actually purchase at Pros Pro as a substitute stand.
 
Another tell tell sign is that they sell the same stringing machine under different names.
The Signum Pro s-6700 professional, is the same as the Pros Pro Tom Cat. Even down to the clamp holderes. just different stand. But the type of Signum Pro stand, you can actually purchase at Pros Pro as a substitute stand.

Yet everybody talks down on the Tomcat and acts as if their machines are hand made in a small town in Antarctica...
 

mctennis

Legend
Even if these different string companies are having the strings made in the same factory does not mean they are the same string formula compounds. These different strings may look and sometimes even physically feel the same as another string does not mean it is the same string. Playability is subjective as well. I just had to throw that out as it seems some members want to say some string are the " same as". I would think if the strings were the same from company to company the original string company would file a lawsuit against the manufacturer and the other string company for selling THEIR strings under a different name and company. As well as the manufacturer for manufacturing the strings for another company not associated with the actual owner of the string. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Even if these different string companies are having the strings made in the same factory does not mean they are the same string formula compounds. These different strings may look and sometimes even physically feel the same as another string does not mean it is the same string. Playability is subjective as well. I just had to throw that out as it seems some members want to say some string are the " same as". I would think if the strings were the same from company to company the original string company would file a lawsuit against the manufacturer and the other string company for selling THEIR strings under a different name and company. As well as the manufacturer for manufacturing the strings for another company not associated with the actual owner of the string. Just my 2 cents worth.
Well. it doesnt take much research to know that some strings are the same just under different names under different brands.
I can say that many TENXPro strings are looking the exact same as Pro's pro and Sigma Pro and Westgut.
Some of them they make for Pros Pro that are round but shaped for Westgut....and etc etc.
YOu think that the pommes frites you get in Mc C are much different from Burger Queen?
Especially German factories has many brandnames coming out from same door. Same package same colour same same but some 1 different thing.
The Taiwanese makes strings for MSV that you can find 1:1 in Zarsia Brand.
The syn Gut Babolat buys to sell on...are from the same factory where they make the syn gut for Wilson. The are not different.
 
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mctennis

Legend
Well. it doesnt take much research to know that some strings are the same just under different names under different brands.
I can say that many TENXPro strings are looking the exact same as Pro's pro and Sigma Pro and Westgut.
Some of them they make for Pros Pro that are round but shaped for Westgut....and etc etc.
YOu think that the pommes frites you get in Mc C are much different from Burger Queen?
Especially German factories has many brandnames coming out from same door. Same package same colour same same but some 1 different thing.
The Taiwanese makes strings for MSV that you can find 1:1 in Zarsia Brand.
The syn Gut Babolat buys to sell on...are from the same factory where they make the syn gut for Wilson. The are not different.
The fries are different at McDonald's than Burger King. I was a manager at McDonald's and they make their fries differently. So your analogy of fries is wrong. Sorry.
I think the only reason strings would be the same if is the string companies owned several string brands and renamed the same string, OR- if a string manufacturer makes a string and is willing to sell it to different string brands with their own name and logo on it. The actual string manufacturing company would own the formula for the string(s). Like GMC making basically the same car for all their brands, just changing the name mostly plus a few odds and ends to make them different. I still stick with my original statement.
 
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morten

Hall of Fame
Does anyone know the stiffness of PP strings, would be very interrested in knowing, og not numbers, maybe in order from stiffest to softest
 

Down under

New User
Pros pro reminds me Aldi from Germany, they sell lots of similar products ( or copy of famous brands) of other big name companies , even packages look similar but with different name on it. those products might come from the exact same factory with exact same quality, just different name, or from different factories but with quality on par at only half price.
It’s what they called “ rebranding “, yes, it’s legal, or at least they have done it legally, or they would lose lawsuits and went bankrupt. Not everyone likes shopping in Aldi, smaller space, limited choices,…but more and more people do. good, different (their slogan), most important, cheap. I do enjoy shopping in coles, or Woolworth with lots of varieties , but I do enjoy shopping in Aldi as well when I just want to grab some essential goods.
Back to strings, I liked to play with black code, when I found out one day, there is another string which is very very similar, at price only a quarter, just different name, seriously? It’s hard for me not knowing which one I should go..
 

what_army

Professional
I like medium, Tried Concept today, was good, also tried Eruption Black also good but quite powerful...
Concept is an OK string but it does not excel in any category. Red devil is crisper and slicker, also has more power than concept. Cyclone power is similar to concept but with more power and feel.
 

morten

Hall of Fame
I have 6 sets to try that just arrived. Black Force, Stratagem 8, Hexaspin twist, RX 500, Kudeta and Blackout.. what to do next? What can i expect from these ?
 
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