Pro's Pro Strings!?

kevonian

Semi-Pro
Adding the ones I’ve tried:

iString super soft: probably their softest.
Black force: (too) soft
Cyclone power: medium-low
Concept: medium

Red devil: medium
Interceptor: medium
Eruption: stiffish

I would add:

iString super soft: probably their softest.
Black force: (too) soft
Cyclone power: medium-low
Plus Power: Medium-low
Concept: medium
Red devil: medium
Interceptor: medium
Intense Heat: Medium
Eruption: stiffish
Blackout: Stiff
Stratagem 8: Stiff
 

what_army

Professional
How does it compare to black force? Soft,slippery,best for cross?
I have only used in fb and as a main. It’s stiffer than blackforce and with more control. Spin is very average, not great but not terrible either. If you want a slick cross I would try red devil.
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
I only tried it once but it would stretch forever on the stringing machine.
Yup. Worst string ever (iString Super Soft). It would stretch forever, and by the time it settled, you were left with a mushy dead string bed with zero positive attributes in my opinion.
 
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albertobra

Hall of Fame
I've always sold BO as the same as BF, with the only difference that BO is pentagonal shaped and BF round.
Red Devil really stretches forever, and wouldn't use it with higher tensions.
 

what_army

Professional
I've always sold BO as the same as BF, with the only difference that BO is pentagonal shaped and BF round.
Red Devil really stretches forever, and wouldn't use it with higher tensions.
BO is much stiffer than BF.
What gauge of red devil did you try? I had one of the ticker gauges (1.28?)
 

what_army

Professional
RD 1.24.
Never tought of that difference of stiffness. Good to know!. How would you classify Stratagem 8 in stiffness comparing with BO and BF?
I haven’t tried stratagem 8 but it’s supposedly along the lines of RPM blast so I guess it’ll be stiff.

A long while ago there was a post with the PP counterparts, I’m sure if you search you’ll find it.
 

morten

Hall of Fame
I would add:

iString super soft: probably their softest.
Black force: (too) soft
Cyclone power: medium-low
Plus Power: Medium-low
Concept: medium
Red devil: medium
Interceptor: medium
Intense Heat: Medium
Eruption: stiffish
Blackout: Stiff
Stratagem 8: Stiff
Plus power.. you mean Cyber Power?
 

morten

Hall of Fame
What is the main differences between Concept and Cyber Power? I can't get them in sets only reels and don't think i want to buy reels in both.. but maybe
 

what_army

Professional
What is the main differences between Concept and Cyber Power? I can't get them in sets only reels and don't think i want to buy reels in both.. but maybe
I only played with concept. It is muted and with decent control. It is not a powerful string and has decent tension maintenance.
 

morten

Hall of Fame
Also what would be the main differences between Cyber Power and Concept.. from what i have read, also about their counterparts they seem so similar.. also how does Blackforce compare to these two?
 

Gojichu

New User
So I have tried blackout 1.24 and 1.28, the 1.24 is noticeably shorter playtime, I feel blackout 1.28 is definitely softer than hyper g soft 1.30, only wish the tension maintenance can be longer, I string it at 50lbs, on racquet tune It shows 50lbs and goes to 45 after initial drop, probably within 3 hours of hard hitting. Stays at 42-44 for a good amount of time, at 41lbs it’s not a good experience to play with, around this time SnapBack is gone, stays at 40+ lbs until it eventually snaps.

I only would want 1.28-1.30 gauges for max durability. I’ve read quite a bit on pros pro strings and was wondering if anyone has experience with these at 1.28-1.30 gauges. heard great things about red devil but heard black force has better tension maintenance, but also blackout is better than blackforce in tension maintenance. Heard mixed reviews on eruption, haven’t heard the best reviews of hexaspin and hexaspin twist.

I bought silver 7 tour to see how much more tension maintenance it will provide over blackout 1.28. My preferred string is hyper g soft 1.30 and blackout is literally a softer more comfortable version with worse tension maintenance, but in Canada its 1/3 of the price, so I’m going to continue to buy reels of it. im Really keen on trying another pros pro string but I’m not sure which one id like, ideally same spin/snapback as blackout, but with better tension maintenance and durability. the 5 edges of blackout lasts a lot longer than the edges of cyclone tour, I find 5 is a good middle ground, more than that the edges wear too fast, less than that it has too much grip on the ball
 
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kevonian

Semi-Pro
So I have tried blackout 1.24 and 1.28, the 1.24 is noticeably shorter playtime, I feel blackout 1.28 is definitely softer than hyper g soft 1.30, only wish the tension maintenance can be longer, I string it at 50lbs, on racquet tune It shows 50lbs and goes to 45 after initial drop, probably within 3 hours of hard hitting. Stays at 42-44 for a good amount of time, at 41lbs it’s not a good experience to play with, around this time SnapBack is gone, stays at 40+ lbs until it eventually snaps.

I only would want 1.28-1.30 gauges for max durability. I’ve read quite a bit on pros pro strings and was wondering if anyone has experience with these at 1.28-1.30 gauges. heard great things about red devil but heard black force has better tension maintenance, but also blackout is better than blackforce in tension maintenance. Heard mixed reviews on eruption, haven’t heard the best reviews of hexaspin and hexaspin twist.

I bought silver 7 tour to see how much more tension maintenance it will provide over blackout 1.28. My preferred string is hyper g soft 1.30 and blackout is literally a softer more comfortable version with worse tension maintenance, but in Canada its 1/3 of the price, so I’m going to continue to buy reels of it. im Really keen on trying another pros pro string but I’m not sure which one id like, ideally same spin/snapback as blackout, but with better tension maintenance and durability. the 5 edges of blackout lasts a lot longer than the edges of cyclone tour, I find 5 is a good middle ground, more than that the edges wear too fast, less than that it has too much grip on the ball
If you’re looking for round shaped, then maybe concept or plus power in 1.35 for the durability and tension maintenance
 

Gojichu

New User
going to try 1.28 blackout mains and 1.33mm concept crosses. I’m debating on whether to pull the trigger on red devil, black force or plus power. which would play best in full bed in terms of durability and spin potential?
 
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DariaGT

Professional
going to try 1.28 blackout mains and 1.33mm concept crosses. I’m debating on whether to pull the trigger on red devil, black force or plus power. which would play best in full bed in terms of durability and spin potential?

Try 1.22mm concept for X and 1.33mm concept Mains or 1.24mm BO mains, 1.28 BO is actually not as stiff as 1.24mm BO which holds better tension over time.
Dont go thicker X than Mains as you want the Mains to bite the ball more than the crosses. The first suggestion of Concept 1.22 X 1.33 will never break or notch.
Concept has the most durable surface of all PP strings even better than all the big makes, its diamond like slick coating is insane. Red Devil is soft and wears out.
 

Gojichu

New User
It’s hard for me to use thinner than 1.28mm strings cause I use aero 100 2023, feel like don’t have enough control going thinner

Ok so I tried 1.28 blackout and 1.33 concept, I really liked it, for me I cared more about tension maintenance, my technique has way too much spin already, so the added control from thicker cross worked better for me, it definitely lasts longer than full bed blackout, I’ve also tried 1.28 blackout and 1.33 plus power, feels very much similar, but it’s a little softer. I tried full bed red devil 1.29, felt insanely good in the first 2hrs, got worse but still playable for the next 6 hours or so. I tried eruption 1.30, idk how other people say the edges are round on eruption, mine had super sharp edges, it feels stiffish and plasticky, really did not like the feel, it felt like there wasn’t much control in the sweet spot.

Next I’m Gonna try full bed concept 1.33, full bed plus power 1.33, and eruption mains plus power cross

Right now I’m contemplating picking up strategem 8 1.30, and or black force 1.29, feel like I don’t have much gain from adding black force to my collection, seems like it doesn’t hold tension extremely well and doesn’t have as good spin as blackout/strategem or maybe even red devil
 

DariaGT

Professional
I used concept 1.33mm X Tour bite 1.35mm Mains for great control and feel
when toying with a Srixon CV 3.0 similar to PD but closer to Aero in Spin
Only chosen as Dunlop were club sponsors and ra65 softer than anything
Babolat for what really is an evolved PK Destiny design.

That combo lasted almost forever with only the TB mains eventually having
no snapback and need to be changed but I could keep the Concept X as the
40lbs would not give any issues and Mains were @ 44lbs.
I could slap the ball flat or whip up spin with ease.

Im curious to see where Concept vs Cyclone Power but I know Concept
is the best X string for price and performance which combine well with
shaped mains from Solinco, TF and Weiss Cannon.

I also wonder if Strategem 8 wear out as fast as RPM but BO is incredible
in the 1.24mm but sluggish in 1.28mm. I only wished Concept/Scorpion was also
available in a square pattern like Solinco and TF 4S.

Something to note: have great durability in lighter modern racquets at lower tensions.
The heavier the racquet all polys suffer and need changing every 3-6hrs.
 
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StringStrungStrang

Professional
I used concept 1.33mm X Tour bite 1.35mm Mains for great control and feel
when toying with a Srixon CV 3.0 similar to PD but closer to Aero in Spin
Only chosen as Dunlop were club sponsors and ra65 softer than anything
Babolat for what really is an evolved PK Destiny design.

That combo lasted almost forever with only the TB mains eventually having
no snapback and need to be changed but I could keep the Concept X as the
40lbs would not give any issues and Mains were @ 44lbs.
I could slap the ball flat or whip up spin with ease.

Im curious to see where Concept vs Cyclone Power but I know Concept
is the best X string for price and performance which combine well with
shaped mains from Solinco, TF and Weiss Cannon.

I also wonder if Strategem 8 wear out as fast as RPM but BO is incredible
in the 1.25mm but sluggish in 1.28mm. I only wished Concept/Scirouib was also
available as a square like the more expensive brands.
I may be mistaken but people have speculated that Concept is the same as Weiss Cannon Scorpion, Concept, so potentially Weiss Turbotwist could be an answer for you in a shaped poly!!
 

DariaGT

Professional
I may be mistaken but people have speculated that Concept is the same as Weiss Cannon Scorpion, Concept, so potentially Weiss Turbotwist could be an answer for you in a shaped poly!!
I found the twisted strings work best with nylon crosses but round poly crosses work best with square or pentagonal shaped polys
Thats just from what I have tried hence staying with concept for Xs as I was a solely a Solinco TB user for so long before I tried
round crosses with TB Main later WC Ultra Cable, then BO and now TF 4S Mains.

This round X and square combo Ive been using for almost 12 years, now is released by Solinco in their latest Hyper G round X and Square Main combo.

StringStrungStrang what are your views on Concept 1.22 vs Cyclone Power 1.20? Im still happy with Concept 1.22mm but have not seeing it compared side by side here.
 

StringStrungStrang

Professional
I found the twisted strings work best with nylon crosses but round poly crosses work best with square or pentagonal shaped polys
Thats just from what I have tried hence staying with concept for Xs as I was a solely a Solinco TB user for so long before I tried
round crosses with TB Main later WC Ultra Cable, then BO and now TF 4S Mains.

This round X and square combo Ive been using for almost 12 years, now is released by Solinco in their latest Hyper G round X and Square Main combo.

StringStrungStrang what are your views on Concept 1.22 vs Cyclone Power 1.20? Im still happy with Concept 1.22mm but have not seeing it compared side by side here.
@DariaGT I am a fan of Concept 1.22 as a cross, also love Square / shaped poly mains with round poly crosses. No knowledge of Cyclone Power yet. Also love the latest Solinco Hybrid Hyper-G with Hyper-G Round - better IMO than a full bed of either!! Awesome combo !
 

Gojichu

New User
just to clarify, hyper g, tourbite are advertised as square, but they are actually pentagon shaped, if you take a marker and count the edges or look at the cross section, tried this many times on different gauges and different sets. Everytime it’s a pentagon, the sides are not equal length, but then again, blackout is a pentagon and it doesn’t have equal length sides either.
 

DariaGT

Professional
just to clarify, hyper g, tourbite are advertised as square, but they are actually pentagon shaped, if you take a marker and count the edges or look at the cross section, tried this many times on different gauges and different sets. Everytime it’s a pentagon, the sides are not equal length, but then again, blackout is a pentagon and it doesn’t have equal length sides either.
just ordered another reel of Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge, I mean BO 1.24mm same country, same factory and prob just 5-10% out of required tolerances.
After finally making an effort to use a lighter bigger modern Dunlop CX over my old 6.1s, it seems PPs last even longer!!
I don´t see myself hybriding it with for example PP Concept. Blackout alone feels almost perfect. With hybrid you sacrifice some aspect of this string (low power, perfect control or spin). Such a shame!

In the end I would recommend this string! Or atleast I would recommend to try it. It is a good all-round string that just lacks durability and playability.

Funny you said this as its an amazing hybrid for me in lower tensions concept 1.22 x 1.24 BO is amazing @ 40 x 44lbs
I swore by PPs 1.22 concept vs WC UC for years then TF BC 4S replaced with 1.24 BO. 1.28 BO is rubbish.
 

DariaGT

Professional
@DariaGT I am a fan of Concept 1.22 as a cross, also love Square / shaped poly mains with round poly crosses. No knowledge of Cyclone Power yet. Also love the latest Solinco Hybrid Hyper-G with Hyper-G Round - better IMO than a full bed of either!! Awesome combo !

Ive tried Hyper G 1.25 mains with concept 1.22 crosses and was excellent as well but Hyper G snap back disappeared after 2 hours in my heavier 6.1
but now finally moving to the cx200 a full 20g lighter static and SW the BO mains last almost 8hrs!

I just came to realize recently that when stiffness ratings are around 200 and below, strings dont last long in heavier specced racquets
This makes sense why polys should be changed every few hours but with lighter specs and lower tensions they last way longer.
Even 4G and Lux BB in lower tensions seem to motor on better for longer so there could be some truth in this for most quality strings.

PP's Concept X BO is basically WC's Scorpion X B5E but now @ lower tensions I use more wrist swinging CX200 than thrashing my 6.1s
I can play with more relaxed strokes helping my stamina thanks to the loose arm also helps serving and overheads are a sinch.
 

Gojichu

New User
just ordered another reel of Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge, I mean BO 1.24mm same country, same factory and prob just 5-10% out of required tolerances.
After finally making an effort to use a lighter bigger modern Dunlop CX over my old 6.1s, it seems PPs last even longer!!


Funny you said this as its an amazing hybrid for me in lower tensions concept 1.22 x 1.24 BO is amazing @ 40 x 44lbs
I swore by PPs 1.22 concept vs WC UC for years then TF BC 4S replaced with 1.24 BO. 1.28 BO is rubbish.
To me 1.28BO is superior in every way to 1.24, just cause it’s noticeably better at tension maintenance and takes longer to notch and break, at least in my experience. But then again I only prefer 1.28mm+ strings.

I tried many setups recently, all at 50lbs in 2023 aero 100:
Blackout 1.28 /concept 1.33
Blackout 1.28 /plus power 1.33
Blackout 1.28 /red devil 1.29
Eruption 1.30/ concept 1.33 (55lb/52lbs)
Blackout full bed
Red devil full bed
Plus power full bed
Eruption full bed
Concept full bed

Plus power is very average string, other than its very durable and tension maintenance is good, its softer than concept so it won’t notch the mains as easily, if u have 2 materials, the softer one is gonna get cut when u put them together,

Concept full bed has a lot of power and is crisp in comparison to others, spin is average at best, maybe slightly below average, good tension maintenance, durability is good, it’s a steroid cross string though, holds good tension in stringbed as cross string and allows mains to slide, another thing is that it stays super straight, some cross strings tend to move around a bit more

Red devil, amazing power, spin, and control in the first 2hrs, afterwards it’s playable but just average, don’t like it as cross string, bad tension maintenance for me to consider it

Eruption, garbage tier string in full bed, I think it’s cause it doesn’t have good properties when u put it in cross, but when I did eruption/concept hybrid, it became the best setup I’ve ever used with pros pro, even better than my longtime favourite blackout/concept, but the trick is to string eruption at a really high tension, I usually do 50/50 for every string, for eruption concept I gotta do 55/52 for it to be good

Blackout is like red devil, first 2hrs is amazing, next 4hrs is amazing but little less so, next 4hrs is average, better tension maintenance than red devil, better spin, less power, little less control.

I’d recommend blackout/concept for most people, but current favourite is eruption/concept at higher tensions. I’d recommend trying concept as a cross string for any of your favourite main strings. Going fullbed id do Blackout for more spin, red devil for more power.

I’ve got black force 1.29, stratagem 8 1.30 and hexaspin orange 1.30 on the way. Gonna see how they compare, though I’d find it hard to beat, concept, blackout, red devil
 

DariaGT

Professional
Gojichu, are you using thicker crosses than your mains?
1.24 produce more spin than 1.28 as all thinner strings do.

Ive been using 1.22 concept for X for a dozen years
using all kinds of Mains but found BO 1.24 as its soul mate
1.28 prob works with other Xs but not concept 1.22 as it
lacks spin and has less pop vs 1.24.

Much like Tour Bit & Hyper-G are best @1.25 not 1.30
However I did love 1.35 tour bite Mains on 1.33 concept Xs
on Dunlop Revo cv 3.0 as it ate strings, helped control too.

1.28 seems stiffer than the 1.24 yet snap back was slower
and had a thud sound rather than the ping sound of the 1.24.

The 5 edges seem to work better than Hex as they are
sharper but still has enough cross section to maintain feel.

I found the stiffer the frames the less I could go with tension
and use more racquet head speed than taking oversized cuts.
The softer the frame needs higher tension and big cuts putting
more stress on strings hence their poor durability.

If only PPs could have a Square/Penta version of Concept then
we could just use it as a main for concept round cross.

I agree Concept is the only string that stays straight even
at lower tensions its just amazing for what it is.

I noticed Cyber Power is much more expensive than the
concept, it seems to have a good following but would
love for someone to tell me how it compares to concept
aka CP 1.2 vs Concept 1.22 etc as a cross string.
 
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DariaGT

Professional
To me 1.28BO is superior in every way to 1.24, just cause it’s noticeably better at tension maintenance and takes longer to notch and break, at least in my experience. But then again I only prefer 1.28mm+ strings.

I tried many setups recently, all at 50lbs in 2023 aero 100:
Blackout 1.28 /concept 1.33
Blackout 1.28 /plus power 1.33
Blackout 1.28 /red devil 1.29
Eruption 1.30/ concept 1.33 (55lb/52lbs)
Blackout full bed
Red devil full bed
Plus power full bed
Eruption full bed
Concept full bed

Plus power is very average string, other than its very durable and tension maintenance is good, its softer than concept so it won’t notch the mains as easily, if u have 2 materials, the softer one is gonna get cut when u put them together,

Concept full bed has a lot of power and is crisp in comparison to others, spin is average at best, maybe slightly below average, good tension maintenance, durability is good, it’s a steroid cross string though, holds good tension in stringbed as cross string and allows mains to slide, another thing is that it stays super straight, some cross strings tend to move around a bit more

Red devil, amazing power, spin, and control in the first 2hrs, afterwards it’s playable but just average, don’t like it as cross string, bad tension maintenance for me to consider it

Eruption, garbage tier string in full bed, I think it’s cause it doesn’t have good properties when u put it in cross, but when I did eruption/concept hybrid, it became the best setup I’ve ever used with pros pro, even better than my longtime favourite blackout/concept, but the trick is to string eruption at a really high tension, I usually do 50/50 for every string, for eruption concept I gotta do 55/52 for it to be good

Blackout is like red devil, first 2hrs is amazing, next 4hrs is amazing but little less so, next 4hrs is average, better tension maintenance than red devil, better spin, less power, little less control.

I’d recommend blackout/concept for most people, but current favourite is eruption/concept at higher tensions. I’d recommend trying concept as a cross string for any of your favourite main strings. Going fullbed id do Blackout for more spin, red devil for more power.

I’ve got black force 1.29, stratagem 8 1.30 and hexaspin orange 1.30 on the way. Gonna see how they compare, though I’d find it hard to beat, concept, blackout, red devil

Gojichu yesterday trained and played with another cx200 swinging buddy 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours at night.
Strung both our racquets with my last 2 sets of 1.28mm BO for the Mains @ 45lbs and 1.22 concept Xs @ 40lbs (our mainstay crosses)
Also our spare cx200 with 1.24 BO Mains @ 45lbs and 1.22 concept @ 40lbs again and sadly after 1hr the 1.28 were unplayable

They 1.28 started of as firm, little feel with a familiar thud that eventually turned into a twang as it became miserable.
Maybe the 1.28 needs higher tensions but we are used to sub 45lbs on these mid range 170-230 stiffness rated polys.
I guess the 1.28 does not like heat but I found Tour bite & Hyper-G had same issues as 1.30mm vs famous 1.25mm.

The concept has plenty of pop and the bo as a cross seems to stiff specially the 1.28 has no feel but you might
like it as a full bo setup for your spin frame. TWU rates the 1.28 version as having the most spin for concept.
1.22, 1.33 rated @ 4.0 while 1.28 rated @ 4.9 and 1.25mm version of TF BC 4S outperforms the 1.30 etc.

Temp was around 30 degrees at night with 80per cent humidity and 33 degree from 8-11am with 55% humidity.

The 1.24 also suffered but was only noticeable at the end of the night session for me and halve way for the night session for my buddy
which is likely as his cx200 has 24gsm weight added to his liking while mine only has 6gsm at 9 and 3 o'clock.

The sound is definitely noticeable as is the spin generation and control. Im guessing the further away the gauges are the less control
but in these sizes I didnt think this would be that noticeable but 1.22 - 1.28 is definitely flawed.

As for your 1.33 concept mains, I know from fact that this string is board like in this size as I used it with TB 1.35mm mains
but @ 35lbs with TB @ 40lbs which once you hit for 15mins starts to get better every-time from rest.

My buddy used the 1.33 concept mains and 1.28mm plus power Xs and he could not keep the ball in the court and
this is after warning him not to use 1.33mm concept on the mains due to its lack of spin due to slippery surface.

The 1.33 concept experiment was using sx300 and revo cv 3.0 we were toying with at the time but these sticks
have way too much power and moving down to the sx300 tour was a disaster as no string even WC UC & TF 4S mains
could reign in the power these rocket launchers produced.

Our single OHBH had no chance ZERO and still in awe of pro's like Kecmanovic for mastering such beasts.
 
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Gojichu

New User
Gojichu yesterday trained and played with another cx200 swinging buddy 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours at night.
Strung both our racquets with my last 2 sets of 1.28mm BO for the Mains @ 45lbs and 1.22 concept Xs @ 40lbs (our mainstay crosses)
Also our spare cx200 with 1.24 BO Mains @ 45lbs and 1.22 concept @ 40lbs again and sadly after 1hr the 1.28 were unplayable

They 1.28 started of as firm, little feel with a familiar thud that eventually turned into a twang as it became miserable.
Maybe the 1.28 needs higher tensions but we are used to sub 45lbs on these mid range 170-230 stiffness rated polys.
I guess the 1.28 does not like heat but I found Tour bite & Hyper-G had same issues as 1.30mm vs famous 1.25mm.

The concept has plenty of pop and the bo as a cross seems to stiff specially the 1.28 has no feel but you might
like it as a full bo setup for your spin frame. TWU rates the 1.28 version as having the most spin for concept.
1.22, 1.33 rated @ 4.0 while 1.28 rated @ 4.9 and 1.25mm version of TF BC 4S outperforms the 1.30 etc.

Temp was around 30 degrees at night with 80per cent humidity and 33 degree from 8-11am with 55% humidity.

The 1.24 also suffered but was only noticeable at the end of the night session for me and halve way for the night session for my buddy
which is likely as his cx200 has 24gsm weight added to his liking while mine only has 6gsm at 9 and 3 o'clock.

The sound is definitely noticeable as is the spin generation and control. Im guessing the further away the gauges are the less control
but in these sizes I didnt think this would be that noticeable but 1.22 - 1.28 is definitely flawed.

As for your 1.33 concept mains, I know from fact that this string is board like in this size as I used it with TB 1.35mm mains
but @ 35lbs with TB @ 40lbs which once you hit for 15mins starts to get better every-time from rest.

My buddy used the 1.33 concept mains and 1.28mm plus power Xs and he could not keep the ball in the court and
this is after warning him not to use 1.33mm concept on the mains due to its lack of spin due to slippery surface.

The 1.33 concept experiment was using sx300 and revo cv 3.0 we were toying with at the time but these sticks
have way too much power and moving down to the sx300 tour was a disaster as no string even WC UC & TF 4S mains
could reign in the power these rocket launchers produced.

Our single OHBH had no chance ZERO and still in awe of pro's like Kecmanovic for mastering such beasts.
That’s quite interesting, I have a cx 400 tour and i find strings last much longer in that compared to my aero 100 2023, but I think you are referring to what id call the first stage of dead polys, the initial huge tension drop, I normally play until the strings have been notched deep enough that there’s significant loss of SnapBack, which id call the 2nd stage, so for me 1.28 blackout full bed would look like this, 0-2hrs fresh, 2-8hrs 1st stage dead, 8hrs+ 2nd stage dead, 12hrs+ probably snapped at centre. The 1.24 would just be notched and sawed through faster for me, since there isn’t as much material there. That’s also why I prefer 1.30 hyper g to 1.25. I would think the cx 200 would be pretty generous on strings, especiallly in the sweet spot where it’s hella tight. I normally do 50/50 but for my cx400tour I need to do 45/45 to feel good on the sweet spot. Also I always have concept 1.33 as cross, it helps me maintain SnapBack for longer, for me the huge tension loss is bearable, but loss of SnapBack isn’t. That’s why I can play in 1st stage dead poly but I cut out at 2nd stage dead poly. It’s way too much hassle to always have fresh strings and play a few hours. If Buuuut our opinion on gauges seems to be divided, which is ok, our opinion on the different strings they offer seems to be aligned. I wouldn’t use 1.33 concept in mains either, I have to hit with so much extra spin to tame the power of full bed 1.33 concept. You should do more tests with the sx300, that’s quite similar to my aero, with the super open string pattern, I really like the thicker gauges to give me some extra control as well
 

DariaGT

Professional
That’s quite interesting, I have a cx 400 tour and i find strings last much longer in that compared to my aero 100 2023, but I think you are referring to what id call the first stage of dead polys, the initial huge tension drop, I normally play until the strings have been notched deep enough that there’s significant loss of SnapBack, which id call the 2nd stage, so for me 1.28 blackout full bed would look like this, 0-2hrs fresh, 2-8hrs 1st stage dead, 8hrs+ 2nd stage dead, 12hrs+ probably snapped at centre. The 1.24 would just be notched and sawed through faster for me, since there isn’t as much material there. That’s also why I prefer 1.30 hyper g to 1.25. I would think the cx 200 would be pretty generous on strings, especiallly in the sweet spot where it’s hella tight. I normally do 50/50 but for my cx400tour I need to do 45/45 to feel good on the sweet spot. Also I always have concept 1.33 as cross, it helps me maintain SnapBack for longer, for me the huge tension loss is bearable, but loss of SnapBack isn’t. That’s why I can play in 1st stage dead poly but I cut out at 2nd stage dead poly. It’s way too much hassle to always have fresh strings and play a few hours. If Buuuut our opinion on gauges seems to be divided, which is ok, our opinion on the different strings they offer seems to be aligned. I wouldn’t use 1.33 concept in mains either, I have to hit with so much extra spin to tame the power of full bed 1.33 concept. You should do more tests with the sx300, that’s quite similar to my aero, with the super open string pattern, I really like the thicker gauges to give me some extra control as well

Sadly the 1.28 BO had less and slower snapback and the thud instead of that snappy sound of the 1.24 is just a frequency I cant or many enjoy at this lower tension
maybe its better pre-stretched then strung @ above 48lbs? while sitting on the 1.33 concept it would offer better sliding than on a 1.22.

It is worth investing in the 1.35 tour bite for open patterns on 100 sq and up. The 1.35mm gauge is the same Nadal used for most of his career for the Babolat RPM
but unlike Babolat, the Solinco 1.35mm keeps its playability and does not twang causing horrible vibrations. RPM needs changing before you get TE or worse.
I tried the SX300 Tour again and must say it is easier to control the LS version with lower tension firm poly setup even create more spin with its lighter offering
as just the mass the Tour has is monstrous even compared to something heavier, its just a beast and likely all the SX models have av. QC as they weigh all over
the place compared to the SX versions which are nothing compared to quality of the earlier CV 3.0 offerings.
 

donnygg

Rookie
Does poly reel degenerate over time? I got a reel of Black Force 1.19 in 2016 as a back up string. I used it recently and it broke while stringing the mains. It went well in subsequent jobs but i had to string below 40lb because it felt stiff to me, although many call it a soft string
 

struggle

Legend
Does poly reel degenerate over time? I got a reel of Black Force 1.19 in 2016 as a back up string. I used it recently and it broke while stringing the mains. It went well in subsequent jobs but i had to string below 40lb because it felt stiff to me, although many call it a soft string

I bought some stratagem 8 likely around that time and it kept snapping on the machine. It wasn't old at the time. I just quit trying as it wasn't reliable.
Maybe it's the black strings of the era. I don't see the plastic (poly) degrading if kept in a cool environment out of the sun. Unsure.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Plastic strings don’t degrade if stored in cooler temps and out of sunlight. UV causes chemical bonds to break.

When stringing poly strings, use slower pulling speeds with no prestretch (my personal preference.) This is especially true for stiff non stretching strings in under 1.25mm category. If using elastic strings, pulling speed is not that important. Best to also let the string warm up if stored in a cold environment.
 

DariaGT

Professional
I bought some stratagem 8 likely around that time and it kept snapping on the machine. It wasn't old at the time. I just quit trying as it wasn't reliable.
Maybe it's the black strings of the era. I don't see the plastic (poly) degrading if kept in a cool environment out of the sun. Unsure.
Does poly reel degenerate over time? I got a reel of Black Force 1.19 in 2016 as a back up string. I used it recently and it broke while stringing the mains. It went well in subsequent jobs but i had to string below 40lb because it felt stiff to me, although many call it a soft string
what gauge are you guys talking about? I was considering trying S8 over BO 1.24 as the Mains.
Is S8 made in Austria?

Also Gojichu
Have you tried Lethal 5 1.28mm or Hexaspin 1.30mm?

would like to know if Lethal 5 really is close to Tour Bite
then that could be my next experiment going up in guage
by using 1.28 concept Xs with either L5 or Hexaspin 1.30
Im happy with 1.22 concept Xs BO 1.24 but alwasy curious.
 
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Gojichu, are you using thicker crosses than your mains?
1.24 produce more spin than 1.28 as all thinner strings do.

Ive been using 1.22 concept for X for a dozen years
using all kinds of Mains but found BO 1.24 as its soul mate
1.28 prob works with other Xs but not concept 1.22 as it
lacks spin and has less pop vs 1.24.

Much like Tour Bit & Hyper-G are best @1.25 not 1.30
However I did love 1.35 tour bite Mains on 1.33 concept Xs
on Dunlop Revo cv 3.0 as it ate strings, helped control too.

1.28 seems stiffer than the 1.24 yet snap back was slower
and had a thud sound rather than the ping sound of the 1.24.

The 5 edges seem to work better than Hex as they are
sharper but still has enough cross section to maintain feel.

I found the stiffer the frames the less I could go with tension
and use more racquet head speed than taking oversized cuts.
The softer the frame needs higher tension and big cuts putting
more stress on strings hence their poor durability.

If only PPs could have a Square/Penta version of Concept then
we could just use it as a main for concept round cross.

I agree Concept is the only string that stays straight even
at lower tensions its just amazing for what it is.

I noticed Cyber Power is much more expensive than the
concept, it seems to have a good following but would
love for someone to tell me how it compares to concept
aka CP 1.2 vs Concept 1.22 etc as a cross string.
MSV Focus Hex 1.27
produces more spin than 1.23
 

RNBABOLAT

Professional
Someone can share a few thoughts about BO 1.24 in the crosses with a really shaped string like Firewire or something similar? All recomendations are welcome... I have a left over reel of BO and trying to find something good to do with it
 

DariaGT

Professional
MSV Focus Hex 1.27
produces more spin than 1.23
Yes correction if needed, seems for hex the corners are better with larger than 1.23
all strings have their processes and composition that they either suit thinner or thicker.
In most cases the slippery strings are tricky if they are round and best used for Xs.
While the stickier round strings can be used for Mains.
Someone can share a few thoughts about BO 1.24 in the crosses with a really shaped string like Firewire or something similar? All recomendations are welcome... I have a left over reel of BO and trying to find something good to do with it
I found BO cuts mains easily and would eat firewire as BO Xs ate its BO Mains on my test of full BO bed.
Use Concept for Xs you cant go wrong, specially if the Fw is triangular.
 

RNBABOLAT

Professional
Yes correction if needed, seems for hex the corners are better with larger than 1.23
all strings have their processes and composition that they either suit thinner or thicker.
In most cases the slippery strings are tricky if they are round and best used for Xs.
While the stickier round strings can be used for Mains.

I found BO cuts mains easily and would eat firewire as BO Xs ate its BO Mains on my test of full BO bed.
Use Concept for Xs you cant go wrong, specially if the Fw is triangular.
Thanks for the rec but I found the BO really soft in my strike VS and want something a bit firm that why I asked for something in the mains (hopefully shaped) with BO to give a bit more feedback from the mains. Durability is not a big concern for me. Usually most polys last me 3-4 hours before it breaks so It's not a problem if I get good performance out of the hybrid
 

Gojichu

New User
just tried strategem 8 1.30 and black force 1.29. Black force is nothing like red devil 1.29, it’s much much softer, on my stringer at 55lb black force stretches forever, red devil barely stretches. Tension loss is faster on black force. I’d take red devil any day. Black force is too soft.

Strategem 8 plays like a stiffer blackout, it’s very stiff in pros pro standards, but compared to mainstream brands it’s really just a medium stiff string. Good alternative to blackout, durability is a bit higher, only issue is the octagonal edges are gonna wear out and become round faster than blackouts pentagon. I find concept 1.33 is the 2nd stiffest, a bit less than strategem 1.30 but a lot more comfortable. But all still comfortable enough at reasonable tensions. I string everything at 50lbs, strategem at 48, red devil & blackforce at 52

I got hexaspin orange 1.30, haven’t played with it, but just by feel, it’s literally the same string as eruption, only a different color, there’s absolutely no need to get both of these. Super sharp edges, blackout and stategem are much more rounded in comparison, hexaspin has a very plastic feel.

As of right now, my favourite pros pro strings are in order of most to least (I personally wouldn’t string anything ranked below red devil again on my racket):
Concept
Eruption/concept
Blackout/concept
Strategem 8
Blackout
Red devil
Plus power
Black force
Eruption
Hexaspin

Plus power is a great cross string, but I prefer concept so there aren’t any plus power hybrids on here
 
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DariaGT

Professional
Thanks for the rec but I found the BO really soft in my strike VS and want something a bit firm that why I asked for something in the mains (hopefully shaped) with BO to give a bit more feedback from the mains. Durability is not a big concern for me. Usually most polys last me 3-4 hours before it breaks so It's not a problem if I get good performance out of the hybrid
plenty feedback and durability from concept, prob most durable cross out there for the buck (makes mains last longer as they snapback with more ease)
BO would cut your Mains faster than 3-4hr if you have issues already with durability
I have yet to try concept 1.28 which seems for WC Scorpion 1.28 has the most spin and tension maintenance looking at the TWU data.
 

Gojichu

New User
what gauge are you guys talking about? I was considering trying S8 over BO 1.24 as the Mains.
Is S8 made in Austria?

Also Gojichu
Have you tried Lethal 5 1.28mm or Hexaspin 1.30mm?

would like to know if Lethal 5 really is close to Tour Bite
then that could be my next experiment going up in guage
by using 1.28 concept Xs with either L5 or Hexaspin 1.30
Im happy with 1.22 concept Xs BO 1.24 but alwasy curious.
1.30 hexaspin is same as eruption, lethal 5 is a twisted string, which means it has high coil memory which means it’s gonna be difficult to string up, I string for myself and hate dealing with difficult to string strings.(I don’t like stringing blackforce, since it stretches too much so it takes longer to string). I had great time with eruption/concept, I’d assume exact same results with hexaspin/concept.

The concept 1.33 crosses were not as durable as plus power 1.33 crosses, for 1 reason alone, concept is a harder material than blackout and a lot of other pros pro strings, it will notch the main more easily, when u have a hard and soft material rubbing together, the softer one is gonna get notched easier. I’d say concept holds its tension a bit better than plus power, and has more power than plus power, but if your plan is to have a string last as long as possible, than plus power is your go to, cause it doesn’t notch mains as easily, it plays average in every other category though, mediocre spin, mediocre power. Im tempted to buy concept 1.28 to try out though
 

tom44

New User
Can somebody here who knows chemistry tell me if chromatography (pointing at those spike charts and say 'this is sodium') is possible to find whether two strings have similar ingredients? After all I tried hard to look for that word so please don't let my effort be wasted.
Hello, it is definitely possible, not only by chromatography. You would probably be scared off by the price, though ;) It all depends on the methods available to the lab; they are always specialized in certain fields. And on how many details you want. For example, comparing two co-polymer strings without layered structure would tell you either just that both are co-polymer, possibly if they are based on the same basic structure, or additionally compare the length of the polymer chain, or more detailed analysis could also compare present additives, monomer remains content, and/or other impurities -but that would cost several orders more.
It is also possible to compare physical properties - if you just need to tell if two strings are equal in practice, they should have the same properties, like material-specific density, tensile strength, shear strength, melting point, etc. Easier and possibly some of it can be done at home to some extent.
 
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