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DariaGT
Professional
Gojichu - I string Concept 1.22 @ 35lbs and takes much longer to eat 1.24 BO Mains
in fact the snap back is so easy for BO that they just last longer @ 40lbs.
For me the low tension enhanced snap back is what has given my strings extra legs
I would love to see 1.28 concept Xs with Stratagem 1.30 Mains
The 1.28mm Concept if like WC Scorpion TWU specs would last even longer or
at least have better feel and tension maintenance which is paramount.
in fact the snap back is so easy for BO that they just last longer @ 40lbs.
For me the low tension enhanced snap back is what has given my strings extra legs
I would love to see 1.28 concept Xs with Stratagem 1.30 Mains
The 1.28mm Concept if like WC Scorpion TWU specs would last even longer or
at least have better feel and tension maintenance which is paramount.
I think im gonna pick up 1.28 concept eventually, already 2/3 the way done my current 1.33 reel. I could probably try 1.30 stratagem with 1.33 concept for the time being. Also your racket allows you to string it low at 35lbs, but in my aero 100 2023, I personally have to string pros pro strings around 48-52 lbs for optimal control. Of course we all know the lower your tension the longer they last. I heard twu database does experiments on just 1 short piece of string, there’s inconsistencies there, I wouldn’t trust it fully in terms of data, the tolerance is probably like +\- 30%? That’s just a guesstimate
Some updates, I found stategem 1.30 gets stiffer as you play it, blackforce 1.29 at 55lbs feels very similar to strategem at 50lbs. Plays very similar, but blackforce has a bit less spin. The stiffness of strategem makes it much more resistant to notching than blackout. Blackforce is an ok string, but it’s annoying to string, and there’s no way it’s better than red devil in my opinion, and has less spin than strategem/blackout and has less power and tension maintenance than concept. Strategem/blackforce hybrid might be ok, since in that hybrid the use of blackforce is to soften up strategem. Blackout/blackforce would be too soft, unless high tension or small racket head or tight pattern.
I’ve found that tension maintenance is slightly overrated, as you play, the string stretches and gets longer, therefore it appears that the tension is lowered. But as the string stretches longer it will become stiffer. The rate that it stretches and the rate that it becomes stiffer is different for each string. I’d be more concerned about how fast a string loses SnapBack, instead of tension.
Some updates, I found stategem 1.30 gets stiffer as you play it, blackforce 1.29 at 55lbs feels very similar to strategem at 50lbs. Plays very similar, but blackforce has a bit less spin. The stiffness of strategem makes it much more resistant to notching than blackout. Blackforce is an ok string, but it’s annoying to string, and there’s no way it’s better than red devil in my opinion, and has less spin than strategem/blackout and has less power and tension maintenance than concept. Strategem/blackforce hybrid might be ok, since in that hybrid the use of blackforce is to soften up strategem. Blackout/blackforce would be too soft, unless high tension or small racket head or tight pattern.
I’ve found that tension maintenance is slightly overrated, as you play, the string stretches and gets longer, therefore it appears that the tension is lowered. But as the string stretches longer it will become stiffer. The rate that it stretches and the rate that it becomes stiffer is different for each string. I’d be more concerned about how fast a string loses SnapBack, instead of tension.
VanDerVaart23
Rookie
You can't go wrong with Red devil. That thing is insane. Great control, awesome snapback, power, and tension is above average. Doesn't notch other poly
I'm 100% sure it will be a great match for natural gut.
Money guaranteed
fritzhimself
Professional
The red devil holds the tension like wet toilet paper. 
Out of the round ones I have, red devil 1.29, black force 1.29, concept 1.33, plus power 1.33.
-Concept is stiffest, but it notches the mains faster than the others
-Red devil is ok for tension maintenance as a cross if you use a tight string pattern or small head size like 90 or 95, otherwise there’s a initial noticeable drop
-plus power is low powered, holds tension ok, it probably holds tension almost as good as concept, but you can feel the tension change, whereas concept it feels very similar throughout its life, even if the tension has dropped, the tension drop feels gradual, where’s red devil has huge initial drop, concept feels same throughout
-black force stretches way more on the stringer than red devil, it holds its tension around the same as red devil, maybe tad worse
I’d recommend plus power, gut already is high powered, can get a bit more control, and is quite soft so it will be more gentle on the gut, concept has too much power, can only imagine it being more powerful with gut. Red devil doesn’t have as good tension maintenance, and has a big initial drop, plus powers gradual tension loss is more predictable.
But we are talking about specially for this use case. In other scenarios I’d probably take concept or red devil over plus power
VanDerVaart23
Rookie
I would say it holds tension as any other average poly, but even with tension loss still plays the sameThe red devil holds the tension like wet toilet paper.
kevonian
Semi-Pro
Thanks, I agree with you Red Devil seems a bit too soft and stretchy to hold tension maintenance with gut.
What about Stratagem 8? I’ve used RPM Blast many times with gut and it lasts about the same for me as a round poly
djNEiGht
Legend
this prob won't help as it's been a while since i've used any PP strings. There was a silver string that was dimpled. not like ALU Power but def not a sharp string. That might work well with gut mains. I can't remember the name of that string.
RPM Blast I like but I hear what you are saying. Most polys won't hold tension that well. Plus RPMB can get expensive.
What kind of gut are you using?
Strategem 8 is stiffer, lasts longer than blackout, stiffest of the pros pro polys I’ve played with, decently slick, if rpm blast worked for you, it’ll be a better option than plus power, slightly more slick than plus power.
Tension maintenance for strategem is good, only because it doesn’t feel like it drops that much in tension since it’s stiff, it’s also the heaviest out of pros pro strings, 1.30 strategem is heavier than 1.33 concept and 1.33 plus power, it’ll add a bit of swing weight
kevonian
Semi-Pro
Wilson natural gut. I prefer VS but with the usta code it's perfectly fine for me. I play about 6 times a month and gut/poly will last me 2-3 months depending on how much is hitting vs matches. So I've liked Strat 8 in full bed for 3-5 hours so it might be perfect pairing for a gut main. I've tried many poly crosses and barely notice a difference between them
Was that string Ku de ta? Looked on their website and that was the only textured non shaped string I saw
djNEiGht
Legend
It wasn't ku de ta that I tried but that string has caught my eye.
not pros pro but also look at tourna big hitter silver regular and rough
FootFault18
Rookie
Cyclone Power is my favorite string too.
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
Ah just made a mention of Pro's Pro in my other thread. Don't know much about the brand aside they offer kinda 25 poly strings. I assume with the price, tension maintenance will be pretty bad, to below average at best. Aside that what is Pro's Pro best offering for a BHS7T or Alu clone? Crisp, on the stiffer side, Control, some spin. That would be my pro's pro string of choice, but as of now i have no clue which one it would be. Never played a string from that brand.
what_army
Professional
There’s nothing even remotely close to alu in the PP lineup. The majority of their strings are on the soft side.
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
If you are looking for a cheap decent string in this profile oehms Alu pearl rough fits the bill, but in my opinion you’d be better off sticking with silver 7 tour.
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what_army
Professional
Another one to consider is dyreex alu tour.
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
Silver 7 tour is high quality with a value for money pretty much unbeatable i guess. But thanks for the suggestion nonetheless. Much Appreciated. I'll look into it.
Will put some of those in my string testing thread.
djNEiGht
Legend
I 2nd this. Oehms APR and BPR play really well. I would go with these over most of the ProsPro offerings
StringStrungStrang
Professional
@djNEiGht @JOSHL @Tennis And Anime Lover. how would you say the Oehms and Silver Tour 7 differ (or compare) from the ProsPro strings along the lines of power, spin, feel, control etc. I never tried those so trying to quantify better. Thanks
djNEiGht
Legend
the Oehms strings I enjoy are APR and BPR. I've tried a few others from Oehms but these stick out. Either full bed or crossed with Ghostwire or Baseline, these are IMO a very good budget poly. Tourna S7 is also great but I don't use it that often. It would be a toss up between the 3 strings I have mentioned. IIRC, S7 plays a little crisper. APR and BPR played very close with maybe a more muted feel for BPR. All great spin and comparable power. But sorry...it's been a while.
it's been a long time since I've used any of the PPs strings. The ones I do remember using was Concept, Blackout, Eruption, and Red Devil. Maybe I'd try eruption or BO again but overall the PPs strings felt more on the plastic side. I had a few customers that were happy with BO in a full bed or crossed with RD
StringStrungStrang
Professional
@djNEiGht what is the power of APR and BPR comparable to? Are they on the deader side like RPM Blast or livelier? Thanks
djNEiGht
Legend
I used to think that APR is like volkl cyclone tour and BPR is regular cyclone. compared to RPMB, BPR would be closer of the two.
I’m not sure about the other suggestions. But silver 7 tour is not in the same realm as pros pro strings, it’s incredibly stiff, and even if you lower the tension by a lot, u still feel it very much. Got tennis elbow for the first time with silver 7 tour.
It has amazing tension maintenance though.
pros pro strings don’t last as long, is less than half the price. And is much more comfortable. I can’t stand the stiffness of silver7 tour, otherwise it’s a great string
It has amazing tension maintenance though.
pros pro strings don’t last as long, is less than half the price. And is much more comfortable. I can’t stand the stiffness of silver7 tour, otherwise it’s a great string
VanDerVaart23
Rookie
I agree BHS7T is stiff. It definitely feels stiffer in a dense pattern. I soften it up with Velocity 17 in the crosses, but it's too muted. It works, softens up the string bed. I have FB of silver tour 7 on a Dunlop sx tour strung supposedly at 50 (racquet tune says 40) at it feels very good.
Back to Pros Pro, I'm going to try tourna BHS7T soon with red devil 1.19! I will do 45-48 on my EzOnes 98. Stiff main / soft cross works for me so good!
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
That's whay you love BHS7T so much, seems to be your string of choice too
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
Great suggestion also. the overview on their website is handy. In matter of second you know what strings could possibly suite you best. Will also add some strings on my 'to test list'.
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
Can't be of much help here as of now. Haven't gotten around testing PP strings, as several adsived me not to waste my time on them. What i do know is, without even playing of of PP's strings is that Red Devil, Black Out and Black Force are the one's most mentioned by people who actually play PP strings. The Oehms strings just landed on my test list. I'll give my feedback on them as sound as i get around them. As TBHS7T is my current string of choice, if you can handle it's stiffness, its very hard to 'beat' espescially in that price range
VanDerVaart23
Rookie
I saw the thread where they told you not to waste your time with Pros Pro. The only reason that I would tell you not to try them is that they're just too many pros pro strings. I bought an used racquet and it came with Blackout, which was really good, then after my research for my perfect cross string (looking for round, soft, powerful, spin friendly) I just tried red devil and loved it with my Tour Hex mains, snapback is everlasting , does everything well for me. Just ordered a reel for $42.
I don't think that because they're cheap they're bad, actually all poly strings should probably cost the same as pros pro strings or even less out of the factory. I'll bet to produce a luxilon reel would be around 50 bucks or even less, it's just the name that sells.
Even though, I would recommend you to read the whole thread, read pros pro strings descriptions and see if something catches your attention or make you interested. Not worth to test them all, unless you're paid to do so. Just test a couple that you think will have the feeling you like or the ones you think may work for you
Sorry for the long post
Have a good day
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
Long posts don't bother me at all
In mean time I've decided on the Pro's Pro strings
What did you choose?Long posts don't bother me at all
In mean time I've decided on the Pro's Pro strings
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
Nano Cyber Power (Silver) and Cyber Spin, I'll put those against Oehms Alu Pearl Rough, Oehms Alu Pearl Pro, Oehms Alu Star, Dyreex Alu Tour, Dyreex Alu Tour Edge. I'll stock up the winner of those 7 strings, not persé for own match play, but as varaity in offerings for potential customers in future. I have my own thread where i've been testing all year long. A forum comes in handy, as Dyreex and Oehms were suggestions from members here. Interesting to see who scores best in a direct quality for money battle too, as they are all in the same price range.
I have never found Nano Cyber Power, never !? Cyber Power yes, but that silver nano??? Same string?
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
I Actually am not sure myself, but yes i prefer silver over white, and on several sites there is nano in it's name. Weird thing is, I dont find it on Pro Pro reseller page. Its indeed a bit confusing
StringStrungStrang
Professional
Very interested to hear how PP Cyber Power and Cyber Spin stack up in terms of feel power spin and control against any name-brand as well as the Oehms etc. I have heard good things about Cyber Power and Cyber Spin.
Elrico
Rookie
I have white and silver. Both 1.25mm
I don't think these strings are available anymore....
StringStrungStrang
Professional
Hey Guys, (@Tennis And Anime Lover @Elrico @morten @what_army @Gojichu @djNEiGht @DariaGT @kevonian among others)
just picked up a selection of PP strings to test Concept 17, Hexaspin twist 16L, Cyber Spin 16, Devilspin, Eruption Black 16L, and Eruption 17.
My plan is to use Concept as the cross while I try out a few different shaped mains. Any suggestions or requests?
just picked up a selection of PP strings to test Concept 17, Hexaspin twist 16L, Cyber Spin 16, Devilspin, Eruption Black 16L, and Eruption 17.
My plan is to use Concept as the cross while I try out a few different shaped mains. Any suggestions or requests?
I now have 1.28 and 1.33 concept, so far in full bed 1.28 has more spin, but tension maintenance is better with 1.33, 1.33 is also stiffer, 1.33 always stays super straight, whereas 1.28 has a little bit of movement,
For hybrids, I’ve tried 1.28 blackout/1.33 concept and 1.30 eruption/1.33 concept. I’m going to try 1.30 strategem/1.28 concept next. Blackout hybrid had better feel, eruption hybrid had better spin, it has far sharper edges. Concept is gonna make any of your mains better. I’m most curious about cyber spin/concept hybrid, since cyber spin is more of a round string and it’s made in Japan instead of the other made in Germany pros pro strings. Or I’m just curious how cyber spin is in full bed, I’m assuming those made in Japan pros pro strings are much better quality, I’m debating picking up some cyber power
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
@StringStrungStrang let us know your thoughts after you played around with different PP's setups
djNEiGht
Legend
happy testing.
take devil spin and use it near a trash can
IIRC, Eruption played pretty good but did feel on the plastic side.
StringStrungStrang
Professional
@djNEiGht what didn't you like about Devil Spin ? Too soft, too powerful, too plasticky? Maybe I can get a better outcome with the proper tension or ??
One thing I can say for sure is that it has more coil memory than any other string I've seen. When I opened the case to feel its textured surface it leapt out like a springy slinky toy !
Excited to try Concept 1.22 as a cross with all other shaped /textured strings (Eruption 1.18 green, 1.24 Black, Hexaspin Twist, Devil Spin, Cyber Spin (is this a Gosen Polylon Comfort rebrand?) as well some non-PP strings, such as Hyper-G Confidential, YTEX Quadro Twist, Volkl Cyclone as mains.
