Pro's Pro Strings!?

[BallsOfFire]

Just sharing.. My current setup of full black out at ~45.. With low flex racquet.. Its comfortable, enough spin and good control setting.. But sometimes, i need it to be more lively, thus the need to hybrid with pp syn gut..

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Hi. what is "low flex racket"
it has low or high RA values?
Stiff racket as it doesnt flex much? or soft racket as it has low RA?

 

[BallsOfFire]

I opened the second set of Eruption and this one was a lot like a clone of Elysium, or vice-versa, as you wish.

At this point I am totally confused. I guess it is not important anyway.

I think the first batches of Eruption you had the edges to be only very little/not very pronounced...... and maybe the new badges they wanted to be more like Hyber G and more pronounced...this maybe after reading complains about not being close enough to the edges of hyper G.

 

[BallsOfFire]

Great suggestion also. the overview on their website is handy. In matter of second you know what strings could possibly suite you best. Will also add some strings on my 'to test list'.

Cyper Power ( made by Gosen in japan) should be close to Alu Power.

 

[BallsOfFire]

I now have 1.28 and 1.33 concept, so far in full bed 1.28 has more spin, but tension maintenance is better with 1.33, 1.33 is also stiffer, 1.33 always stays super straight, whereas 1.28 has a little bit of movement,

For hybrids, I’ve tried 1.28 blackout/1.33 concept and 1.30 eruption/1.33 concept. I’m going to try 1.30 strategem/1.28 concept next. Blackout hybrid had better feel, eruption hybrid had better spin, it has far sharper edges. Concept is gonna make any of your mains better. I’m most curious about cyber spin/concept hybrid, since cyber spin is more of a round string and it’s made in Japan instead of the other made in Germany pros pro strings. Or I’m just curious how cyber spin is in full bed, I’m assuming those made in Japan pros pro strings are much better quality, I’m debating picking up some cyber power

Pros Pro made in Japan strings seems to be made by Gosen or same factory as Gosen Uses. ( tell from packaging)

 

[maksp]

Cyper Power ( made by Gosen in japan) should be close to Alu Power.

Have you tried green or black

 

[Tennis And Anime Lover]

Cyper Power ( made by Gosen in japan) should be close to Alu Power.

That's why of all Pro's pro's offerings, I've ordered Cyber Power and Cyber Spin for that same reason

 

[maksp]

That's why of all Pro's pro's offerings, I've ordered Cyber Power and Cyber Spin for that same reason

Was Cyber power green or black the slickest

 

[Tennis And Anime Lover]

Was Cyber power green or black the slickest

Couldn't say, I've got it in silver

 

[morten]

Cyber Power Black is pretty sweet.. but to me it does not feel like Alu Power at all, which is ok for me. It is kind of soft, with a touch of crispness, but not too lively...

 

[NicoMK]

After some thorough reading, I've decided to go for a reel of iString Super Soft for my 17 yo son. Mains only. First time with poly.

I have never been too keen on polys at least for myself - I'm in the "accepting that you cannot use poly strings" wagon - but I can understand the benefits that they bring as soon as "modern" (current?) game is concerned. Of course I will go for low tensions (which is I think generally the way to go anyway...) and we shall see how he feels about it.

 

[what_army]

After some thorough reading, I've decided to go for a reel of iString Super Soft for my 17 yo son. Mains only. First time with poly.

I have never been too keen on polys at least for myself - I'm in the "accepting that you cannot use poly strings" wagon - but I can understand the benefits that they bring as soon as "modern" (current?) game is concerned. Of course I will go for low tensions (which is I think generally the way to go anyway...) and we shall see how he feels about it.

If you’re going to do just mains I would strongly recommend not using istring super soft. It’s way too soft and loses a lot of tension. It’s a nightmare on the stringer as it stretches forever. For instance, cyclone power, red devil are both relatively soft but retain tension better and have much more control.

 

[BallsOfFire]

After some thorough reading, I've decided to go for a reel of iString Super Soft for my 17 yo son. Mains only. First time with poly.

I have never been too keen on polys at least for myself - I'm in the "accepting that you cannot use poly strings" wagon - but I can understand the benefits that they bring as soon as "modern" (current?) game is concerned. Of course I will go for low tensions (which is I think generally the way to go anyway...) and we shall see how he feels about it.

Depends on his level and skills and what his needs are.
If first time poly a set up with Intense Heat or Interceptor full bed strung at 47/45 Lbs will do nicely. if still too much hybrid it with syn gut in cross.
Better with a semisoft co-poly in mains strung mid 40's than a super soft which you then need to string high tension to get needed control and thus "kill" the string.super soft polys has very short life spand.

 

[BallsOfFire]

If you’re going to do just mains I would strongly recommend not using istring super soft. It’s way too soft and loses a lot of tension. It’s a nightmare on the stringer as it stretches forever. For instance, cyclone power, red devil are both relatively soft but retain tension better and have much more control.

I find Red D 1.19 mm version not so soft but in the realm of (aprox. TWU numbers) 190.
The Cyclone Power 1.25 also about 195 ( great cross for Head Lynx Tour 1.25)
Intense Heat is pretty comfy and used by intermidiate to advanced juniors and young adults and is in the 1.20 like TWU 175 and in the 1.25 about 180
The heat treatment of the Intense Heat makes it more elastic and durable and smooth..... another comfy Poly is the Black Force 1.24
I would start with Intense Heat or Interceptor 1.25 mm full bed at 47/45 kg tension.

 

[NicoMK]

Depends on his level and skills and what his needs are.
If first time poly a set up with Intense Heat or Interceptor full bed strung at 47/45 Lbs will do nicely. if still too much hybrid it with syn gut in cross.
Better with a semisoft co-poly in mains strung mid 40's than a super soft which you then need to string high tension to get needed control and thus "kill" the string.super soft polys has very short life spand.

Thank you for your advices @BallsOfFire and @what_army ... now that I have bought the reel I'll make some tests and will let you know here, before eventually switching to something else.

I wanted a soft poly since I'm not too keen about polys as I said. I read through this topic here and tried to compare strings also on PP's website, tough to make the right choice... also since I didn't want to spend €200 on a Bab or Techifibre (or whatever) reel for more or less the same kind of thing.

Also, what's the point of super soft polys like iString Super Soft if not softer polys, according to your own experience (yes, I've read several times that it would stretch forever, for instance) ?

I entend to use it for mains only.

 

[djNEiGht]

@djNEiGht what didn't you like about Devil Spin ? Too soft, too powerful, too plasticky? Maybe I can get a better outcome with the proper tension or ??
One thing I can say for sure is that it has more coil memory than any other string I've seen. When I opened the case to feel its textured surface it leapt out like a springy slinky toy !

Excited to try Concept 1.22 as a cross with all other shaped /textured strings (Eruption 1.18 green, 1.24 Black, Hexaspin Twist, Devil Spin, Cyber Spin (is this a Gosen Polylon Comfort rebrand?) as well some non-PP strings, such as Hyper-G Confidential, YTEX Quadro Twist, Volkl Cyclone as mains.

As you mentioned, the coil memory was ever present. The texture wasn't fun to string. Plastic feeling in game play. I tried it both in full and w synthetic cross.

 

[what_army]

I find Red D 1.19 mm version not so soft but in the realm of (aprox. TWU numbers) 190.
The Cyclone Power 1.25 also about 195 ( great cross for Head Lynx Tour 1.25)
Intense Heat is pretty comfy and used by intermidiate to advanced juniors and young adults and is in the 1.20 like TWU 175 and in the 1.25 about 180
The heat treatment of the Intense Heat makes it more elastic and durable and smooth..... another comfy Poly is the Black Force 1.24
I would start with Intense Heat or Interceptor 1.25 mm full bed at 47/45 kg tension.

Cyclone power is very close to SP firestorm which is 180 on TWU. I’d be surprised if Red Devil was stiffer than that. Some people tend to think it’s stiff but maybe it’s misleading because it’s a crisp string? I played with a lot of PP strings and I always think they’re on the soft side of things.

 

[Gojichu]

I’ve been testing concept 1.28 and Apollo titanium pro 1.30 for the past weeks, Apollo is made in Germany and also quite affordable, 56$ CAD vs the 40$ CAD for the pros pro strings. So far I prefer it over all of the pros pro lineup, 1.28 concept is just not as durable as 1.33 concept, I much prefer 1.33.

I would repurchase concept 1.33, stratagem 8 1.30, blackout 1.28.

Once I’m done with these I’m not gonna buy them again, even though I think some of them are good:
Plus power 1.33 (too low powered)
Red devil 1.29 (best playability falls off after 3hrs)
Eruption 1.30 (plasticky)
Black force 1.29 (stretch’s too much during stringing)
Concept 1.28 (I prefer 1.33)
Hexaspin 1.30 (its alright, nothing stands out, ok to rebuy)

I don’t want to deal with coil memory so I don’t even want to try these:
Hexapsin twist
Lethal 5/8
Ichiban spin
Devil spin
Istring soft ( no coil, but also pain to string)

Are there other pros pro strings worth trying?:
Interceptor
Cyclone power
Kudeta
Cyber power (at 70$ this and cyber spin has a lot of strong competitors, so these 2 have to be good enough to be worth it)
Cyber spin

Or should I try other budget strings around 50-60$ CAD:
Gamma poly z
Babolat pro last

 

[homunculi]

I'm trying to find a good alternative from pros pro, I use Wilson revolve spin, already put a lot of spin and break in 5-8 hrs. Any recommendations from pros pro?? Also use a 1.30 gauge

 

[BallsOfFire]

Cyclone power is very close to SP firestorm which is 180 on TWU. I’d be surprised if Red Devil was stiffer than that. Some people tend to think it’s stiff but maybe it’s misleading because it’s a crisp string? I played with a lot of PP strings and I always think they’re on the soft side of things.

Some Pros pro are soft and some are not so soft. The Strategem 1.20 is quite stiff around 220.
I compare the different strings stiffness to known brand names direct opposite eachother.
The Big Hitter Silver 1.30 also feels very soft to the touch, but its bc of the coating, but in reality its 209 according to TWU.
IF we go by the thing that its supposed to be close to according to Pro Pros seller sites, then another string, its said that Red D is close to Technifibre Red Code which is very stiff at gauge 18: 217.
But Red D is a bit softer than Red Code. Red D 1.19 is in the realm of 205-210. I compare them direct with loop press method to brand names which we have TWU numbers on. Cyclone Power 1.25 I find to be around 190 in stiffness.
its my take.
I have some knowledge as I string and also am a product technologian.

 

[what_army]

Some Pros pro are soft and some are not so soft. The Strategem 1.20 is quite stiff around 220.
I compare the different strings stiffness to known brand names direct opposite eachother.
The Big Hitter Silver 1.30 also feels very soft to the touch, but its bc of the coating, but in reality its 209 according to TWU.
IF we go by the thing that its supposed to be close to according to Pro Pros seller sites, then another string, its said that Red D is close to Technifibre Red Code which is very stiff at gauge 18: 217.
But Red D is a bit softer than Red Code. Red D 1.19 is in the realm of 205-210. I compare them direct with loop press method to brand names which we have TWU numbers on. Cyclone Power 1.25 I find to be around 190 in stiffness.
its my take.
I have some knowledge as I string and also am a product technologian.

This is good info. Yes, I don’t think PP are selling the exact same strings of other brands, but we know there are more string brands than actual factories that produce polyester filaments hence it’s fair to assume more than a few strings could be ultimately very close.

 

[morten]

I’ve been testing concept 1.28 and Apollo titanium pro 1.30 for the past weeks, Apollo is made in Germany and also quite affordable, 56$ CAD vs the 40$ CAD for the pros pro strings. So far I prefer it over all of the pros pro lineup, 1.28 concept is just not as durable as 1.33 concept, I much prefer 1.33.

I would repurchase concept 1.33, stratagem 8 1.30, blackout 1.28.

Once I’m done with these I’m not gonna buy them again, even though I think some of them are good:
Plus power 1.33 (too low powered)
Red devil 1.29 (best playability falls off after 3hrs)
Eruption 1.30 (plasticky)
Black force 1.29 (stretch’s too much during stringing)
Concept 1.28 (I prefer 1.33)
Hexaspin 1.30 (its alright, nothing stands out, ok to rebuy)

I don’t want to deal with coil memory so I don’t even want to try these:
Hexapsin twist
Lethal 5/8
Ichiban spin
Devil spin
Istring soft ( no coil, but also pain to string)

Are there other pros pro strings worth trying?:
Interceptor
Cyclone power
Kudeta
Cyber power (at 70$ this and cyber spin has a lot of strong competitors, so these 2 have to be good enough to be worth it)
Cyber spin

Or should I try other budget strings around 50-60$ CAD:
Gamma poly z
Genesis black magic
Babolat pro last

You should try Cyber Power, soft, crisp and low powered, really sweet, almost feels like a multi . Cyclone was a bit springy/trampoline like to me...

 

[Gojichu]

You should try Cyber Power, soft, crisp and low powered, really sweet, almost feels like a multi . Cyclone was a bit springy/trampoline like to me...

I’m planning on buying a set of cyber power instead of a reel. I’m quite interested in the lime colourway, any idea on how the different colours of cyber power play?

 

[BallsOfFire]

Thank you for your advices @BallsOfFire and @what_army ... now that I have bought the reel I'll make some tests and will let you know here, before eventually switching to something else.

I wanted a soft poly since I'm not too keen about polys as I said. I read through this topic here and tried to compare strings also on PP's website, tough to make the right choice... also since I didn't want to spend €200 on a Bab or Techifibre (or whatever) reel for more or less the same kind of thing.

Also, what's the point of super soft polys like iString Super Soft if not softer polys, according to your own experience (yes, I've read several times that it would stretch forever, for instance) ?

I entend to use it for mains only.

I cant explain to why or what the super soft polys are for in the market. To test the market? use it in hybrids? ask users to change strings often? demands from users? have some polys for people with arm problems that do not want to be seen with a syn gut? alternative for juniors?
.... In that realm of softness... I would rather go for a Syn Gut/multi which you can tension high or low to your liking. The syn gut (nylon) will keep going until breakage. Super soft poly strings tends to lose their playability quite fast and can be strethed too far too easily. There are two types of durability. breakage and playability.

 

[BallsOfFire]

I’m planning on buying a set of cyber power instead of a reel. I’m quite interested in the lime colourway, any idea on how the different colours of cyber power play?

Cyper power is in the realm of Lux Alu Power. around the 200-210 mark. For some it might be soft for others its not. its in the league of experienced players and hard hitters and someone playing competition,- you should adjust the subjectivity of how someone experience a string to that.
If you are just a normal club player the Cyclone Power is not too springy but just right. also here the tension can be adjustet to less springyness. I use Cyclone power as a cross for Head Lynx Tour and they go well together. both has the champagne colour. cyclone offers fine slippery and unmutes the Lynx a bit.
The Babolat Pro last should be quite good for a short time and is a basic solid poly with no additives and no heat treatment and has a shell/coating for snapback and should have somewhat the same capabilities as the Lux alu power also but for a lot less money. Pro last and other stiffer strings shouldnt used in a stiff/high RA racket IMO, if you want to avoid arm problems.
6 sided Hexa Spin lime is soft like the Wilson Revolve, but a bit less slippery and a bit less play-durability. Im considering try using it as a cross.

 

[BallsOfFire]

I’ve been testing concept 1.28 and Apollo titanium pro 1.30 for the past weeks, Apollo is made in Germany and also quite affordable, 56$ CAD vs the 40$ CAD for the pros pro strings. So far I prefer it over all of the pros pro lineup, 1.28 concept is just not as durable as 1.33 concept, I much prefer 1.33.

I would repurchase concept 1.33, stratagem 8 1.30, blackout 1.28.

Once I’m done with these I’m not gonna buy them again, even though I think some of them are good:
Plus power 1.33 (too low powered)
Red devil 1.29 (best playability falls off after 3hrs)
Eruption 1.30 (plasticky)
Black force 1.29 (stretch’s too much during stringing)
Concept 1.28 (I prefer 1.33)
Hexaspin 1.30 (its alright, nothing stands out, ok to rebuy)

I don’t want to deal with coil memory so I don’t even want to try these:
Hexapsin twist
Lethal 5/8
Ichiban spin
Devil spin
Istring soft ( no coil, but also pain to string)

Are there other pros pro strings worth trying?:
Interceptor
Cyclone power
Kudeta
Cyber power (at 70$ this and cyber spin has a lot of strong competitors, so these 2 have to be good enough to be worth it)
Cyber spin

Or should I try other budget strings around 50-60$ CAD:
Gamma poly z
Babolat pro last

Theres little to no coil memeory on Ichiban spin.
Moderate on the Hexaspin twist.
Alot on the Devil Spin
Hexaspin Twist offers, bc of the heat locked twist, some good capability on kick serves and on stops, and helps with the vibration if you have stiff racket.
Devil Spin is a spin monster. maybe worth trying for the fun of dipping those shots a foot in... that normally would fly out... and see the facial expression on the opponent. it will take the fluff of the ball.

 

[loosegroove]

After some thorough reading, I've decided to go for a reel of iString Super Soft for my 17 yo son. Mains only. First time with poly.

I have never been too keen on polys at least for myself - I'm in the "accepting that you cannot use poly strings" wagon - but I can understand the benefits that they bring as soon as "modern" (current?) game is concerned. Of course I will go for low tensions (which is I think generally the way to go anyway...) and we shall see how he feels about it.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: iString Super Soft is the worst string I’ve ever tried. Has no redeeming qualities. It’s just a weirdly mushy dead string bed that offers little in the way of playability. What did you read that influenced this decision? Much better going with a hybrid of multi or syn gut with a soft poly.

 

[NicoMK]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: iString Super Soft is the worst string I’ve ever tried. Has no redeeming qualities. It’s just a weirdly mushy dead string bed that offers little in the way of playability. What did you read that influenced this decision? Much better going with a hybrid of multi or syn gut with a soft poly.

Well, I've read that it was a soft poly and for now, I just want to try an hybrid made of a soft poly and a syn gut. True that I here read average reviews, to say the least, but ratings on other websites were not too bad. Considering the fact that it is PP's softest poly according to their own website, I decided to give it a go. I haven't strung it yet, we'll see. As it is my son's first time with a poly, it will be difficult to make comparisons re. playability. Since I've been stringing for 30 years, I'll be mainly focused on how long it retains tension and if it is arm pain free - my main concern since I've seen tons of junior and senior players having sour arm/ elbow/ wrist simply because they were ignorant (not necessarily their fault...), bad advised or because they just didn't give a damn.

Honestly I've been stringing polys for 25 years and I think that polys are more or less all playing like s*it, Luxilon excepted, maybe... I once talked with a former well-known pro back in the year 2001 who told me that since polys arrived on the ATP tour, 80% of the locker room had arm issues, I quote (and it was just before they came to the amateur market).

 

[what_army]

I'll be mainly focused on how long it retains tension

I string on a DW machine and the one time I strung iString it took me forever because it kept stretching and wouldn’t settle. I was even concerned it would actually play stiff due to so much stretching on the stringing machine but alas it kept losing tension after stringing, to the point that I don’t think it would ever break (and I always break strings, only very rarely have I have to cut off). A disaster of a string if I ever found one, but it’s indeed very soft. I just wouldn’t hybrid it with anything else, it’ll be a waste of the 6 meters of string you hybrid it with!

If you want a good and cheap soft poly I strongly suggest head sonic pro / isospeed baseline (supposedly they are the same string). This is what I played when recovering from TE a few years ago and worked well, plus it holds tension much better than iString and all the polyfibres. Topspin cyberblue is also another one to consider but I still prefer baseline.

 

[what_army]

Cyper power is in the realm of Lux Alu Power. around the 200-210 mark. For some it might be soft for others its not. its in the league of experienced players and hard hitters and someone playing competition,- you should adjust the subjectivity of how someone experience a string to that.

Strong words, now you’re making everyone want to try it. I’m kicking myself because I’ve passed on the opportunity to get a reel for next to nothing not long ago.

 

[Tennis And Anime Lover]

Well, I've read that it was a soft poly and for now, I just want to try an hybrid made of a soft poly and a syn gut. True that I here read average reviews, to say the least, but ratings on other websites were not too bad. Considering the fact that it is PP's softest poly according to their own website, I decided to give it a go. I haven't strung it yet, we'll see. As it is my son's first time with a poly, it will be difficult to make comparisons re. playability. Since I've been stringing for 30 years, I'll be mainly focused on how long it retains tension and if it is arm pain free - my main concern since I've seen tons of junior and senior players having sour arm/ elbow/ wrist simply because they were ignorant (not necessarily their fault...), bad advised or because they just didn't give a damn.

Honestly I've been stringing polys for 25 years and I think that polys are more or less all playing like s*it, Luxilon excepted, maybe... I once talked with a former well-known pro back in the year 2001 who told me that since polys arrived on the ATP tour, 80% of the locker room had arm issues, I quote (and it was just before they came to the amateur market).

Comparisons between amateur players and pro's is like apples and lemons. Totally irrelevant. It's a pro's job, they put their body to the limit everyday, sometimes you go over that limit, and that causes injuries.
As for amateurs, the string stiffness has nothing to do with it. It's lack of decent fundamentals + overuse that causes injuries. Decent tecnique + moderate play hours prevents injuries. An amateur shouldn't put in that many hours. Also polys from today are a different beast than first gens form polys back in the day. Also if the tecnique is not very polished, there is no need to play poly, cause players in that case cant profit from the benefits a polyester brings to the table.

That said, if you want soft poly, have a look at Grapplesnake alpha, Signum Pro Xperience, Msv Focus Hex 38+, Yonex Poly Tour Air, Yonex Poly Tour Pro, Solinco Hyper G Soft, Topspin Cyber Flash, Volkl Cyclone Tour (1.3mm only) Ytex Pro Tour (if you are not from Europe), There was also Toroline Absolute but looks like they cancelled that one. IsoSpeed Cream, Head Lynx, Gamma Moto Soft and look into Dyreex brand, they got several soft poly offerings at great value for money ratio.
If all that should play still not soft enough, put Ghostwire or Gosen OG Sheep Micro in the crosses or even a cheaper Multi , Velocity MLT if you are on a budget.
Pro's Pro is the budget brand under the budget brands, but it'll loose tension way to quickly. you'd be better off with a string of the list i just mentioned.
Most of PolyFibre and PolyStar strings are also soft, but they got the same 'problem' as PP's strings. Tension Maintenance well below average.

 

[Tennis And Anime Lover]

Strong words, now you’re making everyone want to try it. I’m kicking myself because I’ve passed on the opportunity to get a reel for next to nothing not long ago.

you've said there was nothing remotely close, well i've jumped on it and got those Cyber strings lying around here. You did suggest Alu Tour, and Josh recommended to look into Dyreex or was it Oehms so i did
Costly when you try out more than 30 strings at once, but i've got to feed my curiousity

 

[BallsOfFire]

Strong words, now you’re making everyone want to try it. I’m kicking myself because I’ve passed on the opportunity to get a reel for next to nothing not long ago.

This is from a review from a buyer:

" The Cyber Power completely impressed me from the first hit: extremely high power & very good control (both on the level of the Alu Power), but a clear plus in terms of spin acceptance, durability and touch/feel. I'm really very critical when it comes to strings, but this was a real eye-opener for me. The Cyber Power costs about 1/5 of the Alu Power, but I would play it even if it were more expensive. I just had to get used to the sound at first, it's a bit duller than the competition - but it plays just as "crisp" as brighter sounding strings. And I increased the string weight on my Wilson Blade by 1kg, because the Cyber Power otherwise offers almost too much power. But even with 26/25 and 1.25 diameter, the arm comfort and feel are absolutely top notch.
For me, it's an absolute insider tip! "

 

[BallsOfFire]

Comparisons between amateur players and pro's is like apples and lemons. Totally irrelevant. It's a pro's job, they put their body to the limit everyday, sometimes you go over that limit, and that causes injuries.
As for amateurs, the string stiffness has nothing to do with it. It's lack of decent fundamentals + overuse that causes injuries. Decent tecnique + moderate play hours prevents injuries. An amateur shouldn't put in that many hours. Also polys from today are a different beast than first gens form polys back in the day. Also if the tecnique is not very polished, there is no need to play poly, cause players in that case cant profit from the benefits a polyester brings to the table.

That said, if you want soft poly, have a look at Grapplesnake alpha, Signum Pro Xperience, Msv Focus Hex 38+, Yonex Poly Tour Air, Yonex Poly Tour Pro, Solinco Hyper G Soft, Topspin Cyber Flash, Volkl Cyclone Tour (1.3mm only) Ytex Pro Tour (if you are not from Europe), There was also Toroline Absolute but looks like they cancelled that one. IsoSpeed Cream, Head Lynx, Gamma Moto Soft and look into Dyreex brand, they got several soft poly offerings at great value for money ratio.
If all that should play still not soft enough, put Ghostwire or Gosen OG Sheep Micro in the crosses or even a cheaper Multi , Velocity MLT if you are on a budget.
Pro's Pro is the budget brand under the budget brands, but it'll loose tension way to quickly. you'd be better off with a string of the list i just mentioned.
Most of PolyFibre and PolyStar strings are also soft, but they got the same 'problem' as PP's strings. Tension Maintenance well below average.

Really depends on what Pros Pro string you are talking about. Some are not good and some are very good.
Some of them are on par with high priced brands names.
Some Pros Pro are even to prefer over some High Street Brands equivalents.
It said too many times on this forum that you can categorize all Pros Pro string to be the last choice and budget of budget, meaning low quality etc.
Its really not the case. Some even would use pros Pro equivalents if they even was priced much higher.
You have several really good strings from Pros Pro that are just as good or even better than the ones people buy to a high price from a known brand.
To name a few: The Hexa Spin and Hexa Twist, Black Out, Strategem, Cyper Power and most of the multies they compete direct with the strings they are copying. Many of them are made at Gosen factory and Signum Pro/Weiss Canon facilities. in germany and japan

 

[BallsOfFire]

I'm trying to find a good alternative from pros pro, I use Wilson revolve spin, already put a lot of spin and break in 5-8 hrs. Any recommendations from pros pro?? Also use a 1.30 gauge

Direct competition from Pros Pro to the Wilson Revolve I think is the HexaSpin Lime/green. same stiffness/softness and same snapback. difference is its not round and not white.
and yes there is a difference regarding the colours regarding slickness/snapback.

 

[NicoMK]

Comparisons between amateur players and pro's is like apples and lemons. Totally irrelevant. It's a pro's job, they put their body to the limit everyday, sometimes you go over that limit, and that causes injuries.

I didn't compare both worlds as I know well too much that they are incomparable. I just quoted a former pro whom I talked to during an ATP event where I was the stringer, back in 2001. He was specifically pointing those new - at the time - poly strings, saying that they were great for hitting harder (while basically keeping the ball in the court) but the drawback was that the vast majority of the players had arm issues.

That said, if you want soft poly, have a look at Grapplesnake alpha, Signum Pro Xperience, Msv Focus Hex 38+, Yonex Poly Tour Air, Yonex Poly Tour Pro, Solinco Hyper G Soft, Topspin Cyber Flash, Volkl Cyclone Tour (1.3mm only) Ytex Pro Tour (if you are not from Europe), There was also Toroline Absolute but looks like they cancelled that one. IsoSpeed Cream, Head Lynx, Gamma Moto Soft and look into Dyreex brand, they got several soft poly offerings at great value for money ratio.
If all that should play still not soft enough, put Ghostwire or Gosen OG Sheep Micro in the crosses or even a cheaper Multi , Velocity MLT if you are on a budget.
Pro's Pro is the budget brand under the budget brands, but it'll loose tension way to quickly. you'd be better off with a string of the list i just mentioned.
Most of PolyFibre and PolyStar strings are also soft, but they got the same 'problem' as PP's strings. Tension Maintenance well below average.

Thank you for your advice, I'll have a look at all this and maybe make a wiser choice next time I want to buy a poly. As I said, now that I bought the ISoft reel, I'll give it a go. Will review it if my son's impressions are relevant for us here (in the way that's it's his first poly, so hard to compare with something else).

 

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you've said there was nothing remotely close, well i've jumped on it and got those Cyber strings lying around here. You did suggest Alu Tour, and Josh recommended to look into Dyreex or was it Oehms so i did
Costly when you try out more than 30 strings at once, but i've got to feed my curiousity

Correct, it was me who said dyreex alu tour was the closest to it, amongst every string I’ve tried. And it also dies out after 2-3h, and becomes a completely different string. Have you had the chance to try it yet? I’m interested on where your search ultimately leads you!

 

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If you want a good and cheap soft poly I strongly suggest head sonic pro / isospeed baseline (supposedly they are the same string). This is what I played when recovering from TE a few years ago and worked well, plus it holds tension much better than iString and all the polyfibres. Topspin cyberblue is also another one to consider but I still prefer baseline.

Where did you hear they are the same string
Been wanting to try baseline control in raquets I buy from tw but they don't sell in sets but Sonic pro is