Pro's Pro Strings!?

what_army said:
Here are my initial thoughts on PP vendetta nano 1.25 after 2h in. Overall it’s an ok string, it’s for sure more powerful than Black Force with similar levels of control. Spin is very average with this string. Good feel a touch on the crisp side. With black force I didn’t think the combination of power-spin-control and comfort was rewarding (very comfortable and low powered, but with average control and spin). But this one is much more balanced.
I’ll update.
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I just broke PP vendetta nano 1.25 (white). It’s a nice string overall, on the powerful side at the beginning but then loses elasticity and plays more “dead”. Notched a lot in the first 3h and I was sure it was going to break shortly after but then it lost a lot tension and stopped snapping back. I should have cut at this point but I kept trying to break it, which eventually happened at a little under 8h.
Overall it’s an OK string for a few hours that doesn’t really excel at anything and loses its playing characteristics quickly. If I had to rate it (out of 5):
Power: 3
Control: 2
Tension maintenance: 1
Durability: 1.5
Spin: 1.5
Comfort: 3.5
 
I am 4h into PP interceptor 1.25 so I though I'd share my thoughts. Strung initially at 22kg it's a crisp string, not overly powerful and with decent control. I wouldn't say it's a stiff string, at least I can play with it for stretches of 2h without it hurting my arm. If I had to guess I'd say it's comparable to other mid 180s lb/in (TWU) strings. It's notched about 1/3 but it's no longer snapping back so I don't think I'll keep until it breaks, let's see. Its main feature for me is the crisp feel, for people who like that it's an instant must try. Other than that I think it's quite average and doesn't excel at anything in particular. The colour is a very bright yellow, almost green, it's very flashy but I actually like it on my blades V8.
 
Thomas the Tank Engine said:
I am 4h into PP interceptor 1.25 so I though I'd share my thoughts. Strung initially at 22kg it's a crisp string, not overly powerful and with decent control. I wouldn't say it's a stiff string, at least I can play with it for stretches of 2h without it hurting my arm. If I had to guess I'd say it's comparable to other mid 180s lb/in (TWU) strings. It's notched about 1/3 but it's no longer snapping back so I don't think I'll keep until it breaks, let's see. Its main feature for me is the crisp feel, for people who like that it's an instant must try. Other than that I think it's quite average and doesn't excel at anything in particular. The colour is a very bright yellow, almost green, it's very flashy but I actually like it on my blades V8.
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I think this is a great analysis of Interceptor. Not particularly GREAT at anything, but pretty solid at averything. And I liked the color as well.

I'm a bit biased as I tore my labrum playing with this string in a low-mid 60's RA frame, but I found it to be more stiff than crisp. Just my candid feedback. Definitely not going to spawn tennis elbow, but if I had a case, I'd probably avoid this one. :)
 
Gojichu said:
1.30 s8 is much less spin than WC UC, uc uses sharp edges, while s8 is more so round it generates most spin from SnapBack rather than edges. At rec level uc wins by far, at a higher level you don’t want ultra cable, too much spin, hard to balance spin and pace unless your style extremely flat.

so far my top 2 hybrids that clients like are blackout 1.28/concept 1.28 for power and spin, and eruption 1.30/plus power 1.33 for soft spin setup, mostly for pure drives/ezones/fx500 stiff rackets.
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Hi.
Isn't stiff rackets the ones that creates more power compared to softer rackets (control rackets)? and are softer strings not the power strings and the stiff strings the control strings? So I think that pair a power racket (stiff) with power strings (soft) going to make the play too powerfull ( easy landing long).
When I string, I pair stiff strings with stiff rackets to dial down the power, and make a power racket more controlled.
 
BallsOfFire said:
Hi.
Isn't stiff rackets the ones that creates more power compared to softer rackets (control rackets)? and are softer strings not the power strings and the stiff strings the control strings? So I think that pair a power racket (stiff) with power strings (soft) going to make the play too powerfull ( easy landing long).
When I string, I pair stiff strings with stiff rackets to dial down the power, and make a power racket more controlled.
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Soft strings usually means more power yeah, but with pros pro plus power 1.33 I found it to be really soft, but also low powered, so it was a perfect combo for stiff rackets, tames the power as well as makes the racket much more playable by softening it up.

So right now I’ve gotten rid of most of my pros pro strings, I found players that play a lot tend to want premium strings so I stock more of those.

The only 2 reels I have left is blackout 1.28 and concept 1.33. I’m thinking about keeping the concept, since it adds a lot of power and softens the stringbed as a cross string, full bed it’s even more powerful. Blackout 1.28 has great SnapBack, but it doesn’t last long, it’s really soft and will get notched all the way through very fast if you play with a lot of spin 4.5+ . Blackout 1.28/concept 1.33 is a great setup, really nice feel and adds longevity and spin to just pure blackout. But there’s better alternatives to blackout (at a higher cost). I’ve yet to find an alternative for concept 1.33, as in I don’t know what other polyester has more power (excluding scorpion, never tried that)

With general logic, lower gauge concept should be more powerful, but I have 1.28 and 1.33, and 1.33 is clearly more powerful, it really goes against common sense, I’m not too sure why, 1.29 red devil has great power for first 1-3hrs, then loses most of its pop, I’d say 1.29 is a little more powerful than 1.28 concept for first little while, but after 3hrs 1.28 concept will definitely be more powerful than red devil 1.28
 
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Gojichu said:
Soft strings usually means more power yeah, but with pros pro plus power 1.33 I found it to be really soft, but also low powered, so it was a perfect combo for stiff rackets, tames the power as well as makes the racket much more playable by softening it up.

So right now I’ve gotten rid of most of my pros pro strings, I found players that play a lot tend to want premium strings so I stock more of those.

The only 2 reels I have left is blackout 1.28 and concept 1.33. I’m thinking about keeping the concept, since it adds a lot of power and softens the stringbed as a cross string, full bed it’s even more powerful. Blackout 1.28 has great SnapBack, but it doesn’t last long, it’s really soft and will get notched all the way through very fast if you play with a lot of spin 4.5+ . Blackout 1.28/concept 1.33 is a great setup, really nice feel and adds longevity and spin to just pure blackout. But there’s better alternatives to blackout (at a higher cost). I’ve yet to find an alternative for concept 1.33, as in I don’t know what other polyester has more power (excluding scorpion, never tried that)

With general logic, lower gauge concept should be more powerful, but I have 1.28 and 1.33, and 1.33 is clearly more powerful, it really goes against common sense, I’m not too sure why, 1.29 red devil has great power for first 1-3hrs, then loses most of its pop, I’d say 1.29 is a little more powerful than 1.28 concept for first little while, but after 3hrs 1.28 concept will definitely be more powerful than red devil 1.28
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Thomas the Tank Engine said:
You mean crisp perhaps? I struggle to find any PP strings stiff. I am yet to try cyber power which is supposedly their stiffest string.
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Cyber Power should be equivalent to Luxilon Alu Power Soft
 
Thomas the Tank Engine said:
Cyclone power is not crisp. Probably similar stiffness as firestorm but definitely less lively. I’ll string cyclone power this weekend and share my thoughts, I haven’t played with it in a while.
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too me lively means string is quick to come back to original state.... and crisp is the opposite as mushy/soft
the same with you?
Firestorm is a great string. If Cyclone Power is close or we are able to dial it in by adding tension..then myabe very nice. maybe chose a thicker cyclone to match the firestorm? (cyclone 1.30 to match firestorm 1.25?)
 
Thomas the Tank Engine said:
Cyclone power is not crisp. Probably similar stiffness as firestorm but definitely less lively. I’ll string cyclone power this weekend and share my thoughts, I haven’t played with it in a while.
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not so crisp and less lively I guess translates to: More dwelltime/more pocketing... which I guess can be dialed down by higher string tension. no?
 
liftordie said:
I will not try 1.24. I like 1.30 strings.
I strung BO at 25kg.
Slightly better control than Hyper-G, but less comfort and feel...
I really like the way I can hit agressive spin shots without fear!
Hyper-G have too much power sometimes...
BO is also really good at kick serve. Nasty rebound! It's a great string for spin red clay players!
Now I have to see how many hours BO 1.28 can do that good job... Will see in the next days.

After that I will try BO 1.28/BF 1.24.
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which is stiffer? BO or BF
 
Ive been hitting again with RD 1.24 X and 1.30mm S8 and again prefer the concept as a X.
However the RD does not notch the S8 1.30mm at all and is a good combo for dureability
albeit a lack of spin but one of my buddies loves it as he hits flat and his open pattern allows
for enough spin to dip the ball in as needed.

Im back with concept 1.22 which like Scorpion 1.22 is rated as the best gauge by its users.
However Im also trying again Solico TB as a Main with it as I really like Hyper G OG with
the concept as a X its is so predictable with crazy power and spin, feel etc.

The Tour Bite has that deader response I enjoy allowing me to get more dwell on the mains
compared to the hyper G mains which along with Concept is hard to tame the incredible pop.
1.22 concept has this pop that is hard to describe while RD is easier to overhit with as it does
not have this compact elastic snap but a long stretchy sling shot effect that lacks control.

I usually like to try out the big brands before looking as a hobby for the PRO's Pro equivalent
it must be a sickness! but anyway I was thinking why no one has tried the long time available
Signum Pro Poly Plasma as a X as it is round with Signum Pro Plasma Hextreme which is
geared as a Hex six sided Main. Ive seen nothing of this combo on these forums or missed it?
Considering the popularity and rating of this Signum Pro strings how crazy no one has combined
the best of the 2 highly rated same company like Solinco has done by releasing the rounded
version of Hyper G to go with their OG square versions as a Mains.

So for the PPs users has anyone tried the orange counterparts of Signum Pro by PPs
aka
Plus Power 1.23mm as a X
with PPs Hexaspin 1.25mm as a Mains?

both orange strings that resemble the Signum Pro counterparts etc and available way before
than Solico Hyper G round vs square hybrid released recently.
 
Have to agree with @DariaGT . Concept 1.22 is a great cross. Red Devil can be if you have a more lively Main to pair it with. I used Red Devil 1.19 as a cross for a long time and liked it, but like Concept more. RD is softer and stretches more and doesn't have durability or pop that Concept does. As I mentioned I'm using DevilSpin as a main with Concept as the cross and this is a great combo for me.
I used it with DevilSpin, Hyper-G, Eruption, Hexaspin Twist, YTEX Quadro Twist, Cyberspin, and soon BlackOut 1.24 and IchibanSpin 1.21. My friend loves BlackOut / Concept combo and it plays great in his Head Speed MP! It doe play well, so I'll test it in my usual Pure Strike 98 16x19.
I also wonder why we haven't heard much about a HexTreme / Poly Plasma hybrid. SPPP has always been a very good reliable string, so the combo like the Hyper-G (orMACH-10) Hyper-G Round hybrid make sense. I still want to try a few other shaped PP strings like Strategem and Lethal 5 and Lethal 8. Ilike the way the twisted strings play in the Mains but they do take a little more effort to string.
 
DariaGT said:
Ive been hitting again with RD 1.24 X and 1.30mm S8 and again prefer the concept as a X.
However the RD does not notch the S8 1.30mm at all and is a good combo for dureability
albeit a lack of spin but one of my buddies loves it as he hits flat and his open pattern allows
for enough spin to dip the ball in as needed.

Im back with concept 1.22 which like Scorpion 1.22 is rated as the best gauge by its users.
However Im also trying again Solico TB as a Main with it as I really like Hyper G OG with
the concept as a X its is so predictable with crazy power and spin, feel etc.

The Tour Bite has that deader response I enjoy allowing me to get more dwell on the mains
compared to the hyper G mains which along with Concept is hard to tame the incredible pop.
1.22 concept has this pop that is hard to describe while RD is easier to overhit with as it does
not have this compact elastic snap but a long stretchy sling shot effect that lacks control.

I usually like to try out the big brands before looking as a hobby for the PRO's Pro equivalent
it must be a sickness! but anyway I was thinking why no one has tried the long time available
Signum Pro Poly Plasma as a X as it is round with Signum Pro Plasma Hextreme which is
geared as a Hex six sided Main. Ive seen nothing of this combo on these forums or missed it?
Considering the popularity and rating of this Signum Pro strings how crazy no one has combined
the best of the 2 highly rated same company like Solinco has done by releasing the rounded
version of Hyper G to go with their OG square versions as a Mains.

So for the PPs users has anyone tried the orange counterparts of Signum Pro by PPs
aka
Plus Power 1.23mm as a X
with PPs Hexaspin 1.25mm as a Mains?

both orange strings that resemble the Signum Pro counterparts etc and available way before
than Solico Hyper G round vs square hybrid released recently.
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Tip. Try S8 1.20 as a cross.....
 
BallsOfFire said:
Tip. Try S8 1.20 as a cross.....
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Funny you say that as I did and it ate the 1.24 RD cross within an hour of hitting
The 1.30mm S8 is definitely and underrated longevity string, snap back for months
on top of the RD and Concept it does not get damaged like I get from BO 1.25mm.

1.22 Concept crosses does incredible with Hyper G OG and TB OG not the soft versions.
The Solinco products have more malleability or softness on the coating than the PPs BO and S8
which seem to have none at all. This malleability allows better feel and depth control.
If Bo had a better coating then I would stay with it but it is hard to compete with square
control strings that absorb more vibration than BO and S8.

I would still like to try the PPs Plus Power (aka SPPP) 1.23mm crosses with PPs Hexaspin 1.25mm mains
its is as if the Plus Power at 1.23mm was made thinner to suit the 1.25 shaped mains on offer.

It is funny PP named it Plus Power for the SPPP and didnt bother changing Hexaspin name from Signum Pro.
I look forward to anyone who has tried this or also PPs orange colored Intense Heat as a cross and how
it compares to PPs orange plus power etc.

StringStrungStrang said:
Have to agree with @DariaGT . Concept 1.22 is a great cross. Red Devil can be if you have a more lively Main to pair it with. I used Red Devil 1.19 as a cross for a long time and liked it, but like Concept more. RD is softer and stretches more and doesn't have durability or pop that Concept does. As I mentioned I'm using DevilSpin as a main with Concept as the cross and this is a great combo for me.
I used it with DevilSpin, Hyper-G, Eruption, Hexaspin Twist, YTEX Quadro Twist, Cyberspin, and soon BlackOut 1.24 and IchibanSpin 1.21. My friend loves BlackOut / Concept combo and it plays great in his Head Speed MP! It doe play well, so I'll test it in my usual Pure Strike 98 16x19.
I also wonder why we haven't heard much about a HexTreme / Poly Plasma hybrid. SPPP has always been a very good reliable string, so the combo like the Hyper-G (orMACH-10) Hyper-G Round hybrid make sense. I still want to try a few other shaped PP strings like Strategem and Lethal 5 and Lethal 8. Ilike the way the twisted strings play in the Mains but they do take a little more effort to string.
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Cant go wrong with Concept/BO combo, its proven. Just my issue with twisted strings is they dont have good snap back
and durability as if the tensile strength of the Poly is weakened after they get twisted and heated at the same time etc.

I still dream of PPs Concept making a Square version Concept 1.25mm for Mains use.
 
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DariaGT said:
Funny you say that as I did and it ate the 1.24 RD cross within an hour of hitting
The 1.30mm S8 is definitely and underrated longevity string, snap back for months
on top of the RD and Concept it does not get damaged like I get from BO 1.25mm.

1.22 Concept crosses does incredible with Hyper G OG and TB OG not the soft versions.
The Solinco products have more malleability or softness on the coating than the PPs BO and S8
which seem to have none at all. This malleability allows better feel and depth control.
If Bo had a better coating then I would stay with it but it is hard to compete with square
control strings that absorb more vibration than BO and S8.

I would still like to try the PPs Plus Power (aka SPPP) 1.23mm crosses with PPs Hexaspin 1.25mm mains
its is as if the Plus Power at 1.23mm was made thinner to suit the 1.25 shaped mains on offer.

It is funny PP named it Plus Power for the SPPP and didnt bother changing Hexaspin name from Signum Pro.
I look forward to anyone who has tried this or also PPs orange colored Intense Heat as a cross and how
it compares to PPs orange plus power etc.


Cant go wrong with Concept/BO combo, its proven. Just my issue with twisted strings is they dont have good snap back
and durability as if the tensile strength of the Poly is weakened after they get twisted and heated at the same time etc.

I still dream of PPs Concept making a Square version Concept 1.25mm for Mains use.
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Im a little confused now. You say you "did that" but then say you used it as main with RD as cross?.What I am talking about is specifically try use The Strategem 1.20 as Cross...try that..with like Technifibre BC 4S mains or any other good string like Head Lynx Tour...
The S8 has not edges but carvings which are groves.... which gives better snapback.... as the friction is reduced bc of the grooves.... and the 1.20 is stiffer than the other gauges of S8 and the coating is ok and you can apply silikone spray that will linger and sit in those grooves...and the grooves also act to spring the main back when compressed (like a spring). This is maybe the best tip on string you can get.
 
Raf.spin said:
Are these made in China but marketed as German?
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Some used to be made in Asia (Taiwan) like the Intense Heat......... Many Chinese strings are not really from China but has a front/trade company in China but manufactured in Vietnam or Taiwan..... These days Pros Pro strings are made in either Germany or Japan (Gosen like most of pros pro multis and Cyber Power). Some made on same factory as Signum Pro like the Pros Pro Cyclone Power which is very close to the Signum Firestorm...or Pros Pro Concept 1.22 which is very close to Weiss Cannon Scorpion. even same string colour and gauge and packaging.
 
BallsOfFire said:
Im a little confused now. You say you "did that" but then say you used it as main with RD as cross?.What I am talking about is specifically try use The Strategem 1.20 as Cross...try that..with like Technifibre BC 4S mains or any other good string like Head Lynx Tour...
The S8 has not edges but carvings which are groves.... which gives better snapback.... as the friction is reduced bc of the grooves.... and the 1.20 is stiffer than the other gauges of S8 and the coating is ok and you can apply silikone spray that will linger and sit in those grooves...and the grooves also act to spring the main back when compressed (like a spring). This is maybe the best tip on string you can get.
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I did use 1.20mm with thicker 1.24mm rd as rd stretches like soft candy while S8 doesnt, its super stiff and yes 1.20mm is definitely stiffer and could
be due to the hardening process of putting those gear channels in smaller diameter.
However the 1.30mm S8 still lacks spin compared to the 1.20mm versions and yet to try 1.20mm all round but feel is not the best with this string.
Has anyone tried 1.20mm full @ around 35-40lbs? Silicone spray is always in my bag and also wax spray recently helped with S8 keeps it fresher.
BO is till king for spin but would love both BO and Hexaspin to have more stiffness like S8 does to increase durability with Concept 1.22mm X.
 
DariaGT said:
I did use 1.20mm with thicker 1.24mm rd as rd stretches like soft candy while S8 doesnt, its super stiff and yes 1.20mm is definitely stiffer and could
be due to the hardening process of putting those gear channels in smaller diameter.
However the 1.30mm S8 still lacks spin compared to the 1.20mm versions and yet to try 1.20mm all round but feel is not the best with this string.
Has anyone tried 1.20mm full @ around 35-40lbs? Silicone spray is always in my bag and also wax spray recently helped with S8 keeps it fresher.
BO is till king for spin but would love both BO and Hexaspin to have more stiffness like S8 does to increase durability with Concept 1.22mm X.
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How do you like the Blackout?
I have a reel in the closet and haven't used it for years.
What racket do you use it on and which tension?
 
DariaGT said:
I did use 1.20mm with thicker 1.24mm rd as rd stretches like soft candy while S8 doesnt, its super stiff and yes 1.20mm is definitely stiffer and could
be due to the hardening process of putting those gear channels in smaller diameter.
However the 1.30mm S8 still lacks spin compared to the 1.20mm versions and yet to try 1.20mm all round but feel is not the best with this string.
Has anyone tried 1.20mm full @ around 35-40lbs? Silicone spray is always in my bag and also wax spray recently helped with S8 keeps it fresher.
BO is till king for spin but would love both BO and Hexaspin to have more stiffness like S8 does to increase durability with Concept 1.22mm X.
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up the stiffness by increasing tension.
 
Is there a string from PP's that is more powerful than Cyclone Power?

Looking for a poly that returns energy into the shot and is not low powered.
 
Cyclone power is not a powerful string. Vendetta is certainly more powerful for instance and I haven’t played with Red Devil and Intense Head in many years but I’d say they are too.
If I think of other round PP strings then Concept, Interceptor, Black Force, Cyber Power are less powerful.
 
Raf.spin said:
How do you like the Blackout?
I have a reel in the closet and haven't used it for years.
What racket do you use it on and which tension?
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Dunlop Revo cv 3.0 Tour 97 JP only models I got from Jaucedotkom
even though Dunlop sponsors the club I work at they dont do this old frame
but I love it ra68 330sw 333grams just use it stock with no mods unlike past sticks
m19386263328_2.jpg


BallsOfFire said:
up the stiffness by increasing tension.
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1.22 @ 45lbs didnt last as long, snap back was less than 1.30mm
how long do yours last at what tension and what racquet specs?
how is the spin vs BO 1.25mm thats what I love about the BO
the glorious amount of spin but snap back dies quickly and the
concept cross @ 35lbs probably lets them move too much but
I just love the easy spin with minimal wrist usage hitting on the rise
and halve volleys, drop shot volleys and sliced drop shots off serves.
I would love to try it with 18x19 TF racquet but happy with above
 
Quick q - which other PP string/other brands will play like/similar to the 1.19 Red Devil at low tension?
Big fan of the RD, but sometime just want to have other colour options, if that makes sense. Thanks.
 
DariaGT said:
Dunlop Revo cv 3.0 Tour 97 JP only models I got from Jaucedotkom
even though Dunlop sponsors the club I work at they dont do this old frame
but I love it ra68 330sw 333grams just use it stock with no mods unlike past sticks
m19386263328_2.jpg



1.22 @ 45lbs didnt last as long, snap back was less than 1.30mm
how long do yours last at what tension and what racquet specs?
how is the spin vs BO 1.25mm thats what I love about the BO
the glorious amount of spin but snap back dies quickly and the
concept cross @ 35lbs probably lets them move too much but
I just love the easy spin with minimal wrist usage hitting on the rise
and halve volleys, drop shot volleys and sliced drop shots off serves.
I would love to try it with 18x19 TF racquet but happy with above
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Nice frames. Do they play some like Pure Drive 98's ?
 
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