Pro's Pro Strings!?

I tried the Hexaspin twist and it was good, but I much preferred PP Devilspin. Better spin, comfortable better control and better feel. The twisted strings that I've tried are very comfortable. I have been trying quite a few PP shaped strings in the mains with Concept crosses and this has been my favorite. I have a couple more to try - Ichibanspin, Blackout, and Red Devil as mains.
 
Do you notice Blackout is very low powered or is it only me?
If it had more power and less plasticy feel it would be one of the best out there.
 
Raf.spin said:
Do you notice Blackout is very low powered or is it only me?
If it had more power and less plasticy feel it would be one of the best out there.
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What do you like it then? For me the problem of BO is spin potential quickly becomes inconsistent. One shot the string can bite the ball, next shot it can't, so I'm endlessly adjusting racquet face. I'd rather use a round string for smaller but more consistent spin potential.
 
BallsOfFire said:
Nice frames. Do they play some like Pure Drive 98's ?
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They are real beauties, wished I knew about them earlier!
They are way more predictable than the PAVS or PA98
way more control and unlike PA98 one can crush moonballs
and flat missiles back even harder than received.
I thought the same about them being more like PA98 but they
are totally different in the amount of control and stroke production
are closer to RF97 and Wilson 6.1 with PD like Pop.
They are less string sensitive and can handle lower tensions
which the PA98 cant and ridiculously stable.
Jack Draper uses the 97 model that came after this and is
also a very easy to use frame on OHBH as it has the narrowest
of throats and is more maneuverable than an RF97 but strangely
very similar yet lighter just way more control everywhere.

BallsOfFire said:
Pros Pro makes you re-string at an interval like a pro...after each set.
So you do like a pro just to a smaller cost.
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Bang on. Majority of Tennis enthusiasts want their branded poly
to last forever or more than 3 weeks which is asking for injuries.
They follow their idols and want their equipment or to hit like them
but forget to swap racquets every 8-10games with a fresh set.

The only way I found out to overcome this issue was to use 1.30mm +
@ 35-40lbs and learn to improvise and finesse my game to play
more relaxed but hit the ball more often on the rise.

I was sick of trying to redline my game 15 years ago then in 2016-17
saw master Fed lowering his tension and hitting his Neo BH like
a gently guided brush for winners. Sure its harder off OHBH but those
with a DHBH can do it in their sleep and FHs are easy to adjust to
lower tensions, you just have more choice and time.

In my case lower tensions are easier and more predictable by using
racquets @ ra65 to ra70 using stiff polys strung between 35-45lbs
but the lower the stiffness of the frame the tad higher the tension etc.

I found 1.25mm Solinco TB is best around 45lbs but 1.35mm
was best @ 35lbs while the Pro's Pro Hybrids like Concept
1.22mm Crosses @ 35lbs and BO 1.25mm Mains @ 40lbs
almost works for everything that is 95-100sq inches.

Concept cross makes all this possible for weeks unlike RD
crosses which lose feel after one set and dont have this
consistent pop that makes them so addictive and predictable.

Concept unlike RD allows one to play more relaxed with less
need to red-line your game or arm the racquet to get results.
 
Thomas the Tank Engine said:
Blackforce feels much better and has a bit more power. But it’s round.
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Anyone tried BO Mains and BF crosses? how smooth is BF does it have more pop than Concept?

ChimpChimp said:
What do you like it then? For me the problem of BO is spin potential quickly becomes inconsistent. One shot the string can bite the ball, next shot it can't, so I'm endlessly adjusting racquet face. I'd rather use a round string for smaller but more consistent spin potential.
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I agree BUT again restring often like the Pros do every 8-10 games and you are golden.
In my case every 3 sets as I use it @ 40lbs and last longer with concept crosses @ 35lbs
1.25mm on 1.22mm

Anyone found a Solinco TB version of PPs or other budget brand
I hear the P6 by TW is a beauty.
 
BallsOfFire said:
Pros Pro makes you re-string at an interval like a pro...after each set.
So you do like a pro just to a smaller cost.
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So, it doesn't matter the string, it's all about the brand name and the price!
Same strings, in a fancy pack and triple the price, make the strings (same string, same factory/producer, different "private label") behave better?
 
Some are soft some are stiff, I go with the stiffer offering as the soft ones dont have
the finishing processes used in specially treated strings, those processes are expensive.
 
DariaGT said:
Some are soft some are stiff, I go with the stiffer offering as the soft ones dont have
the finishing processes used in specially treated strings, those processes are expensive.
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Doesn’t matter is one of made in Germany or Japan?

Edit - does it (not doesn’t)
 
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Ironically I like the German made ones on a Japanese racquet
I wouldnt trust though made in Japan or Germany as just packaging something gives them that right
as countries are federal corporations not land but legal jurisdictions were its smaller companies can
do whatever they want under certain practices just as assembly eg. cutting 12 or 200m of string from
a bigger roll and then packaging it etc.
 
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DariaGT said:
Ironically I like the German made ones on a Japanese racquet
I wouldnt trust though made in Japan or Germany as just packaging something gives them that right
as countries are federal corporations not land but legal jurisdictions were its smaller companies can
do whatever they want under certain practices just as assembly eg. cutting 12 or 200m of string from
a bigger roll and then packaging it etc.
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Pretty sure its not legal to state "Made in Germany" if only cut to size and packed in Germany.
 
I strung my Pure Aero 98 with 24kg Lynx Tour mains and 23kg Cyberpower (both 1.25mm) last week, but the durability has been worse than I expected. I only played for 5 minutes before ripping a blister on my hand and couldn’t play normally for the remaining 1.5 hours. Even with this very limited, low-powered use, I picked up the racquet now and the stringbed is completely locked up. There’s zero snapback on the Lynx Tour, even though there’s no notching. It’s disappointing because I liked this setup even more than a full bed of Lynx Tour, but the durability just isn’t there, even though the Cyberpower only has minor notching. I thought this would be a good slippery cross string (which it was for a few mins) but now this is grippiest string I’ve ever seen
 
Nobackhander69 said:
I strung my Pure Aero 98 with 24kg Lynx Tour mains and 23kg Cyberpower (both 1.25mm) last week, but the durability has been worse than I expected. I only played for 5 minutes before ripping a blister on my hand and couldn’t play normally for the remaining 1.5 hours. Even with this very limited, low-powered use, I picked up the racquet now and the stringbed is completely locked up. There’s zero snapback on the Lynx Tour, even though there’s no notching. It’s disappointing because I liked this setup even more than a full bed of Lynx Tour, but the durability just isn’t there, even though the Cyberpower only has minor notching. I thought this would be a good slippery cross string (which it was for a few mins) but now this is grippiest string I’ve ever seen
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Make the cross 1 gauge higher (thinner string) than the mains... and string the cross 2 lbs lower.
The Lynx Tour has twice the tension hold capability over the Cyber Power. Dont put a cross that looses the tension 2x faster than the mains.
Cyber Power (made in Japan by Gosen) is the Gosen equivalent to Alu Power.
 
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Just strung a racket with Spinox 1,32.. it can not be a poly?? Felt just like synthgut, but I thought it was supposed to be a 4G clone....
 
morten said:
Just strung a racket with Spinox 1,32.. it can not be a poly?? Felt just like synthgut, but I thought it was supposed to be a 4G clone....
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Spinox is a string that is more like the Prince SG Duraflex. A syn Gut with reinforcement.
4G is a very stiff polyester string. I dont think you have a Pros Pro that stiff.
The Babolat Prolast is a very stiff classic polyester (and cheap) which would be more in the line of 4G.
The stiffest Pros Pro string I have encountered is the Strategem 8 in 1.20. The different gausges vary in stiffness. The Strategem 8 1.25 is less stiff than the 1.20
Prestretched the Red Devil can be quite stiff in the thick gauge.
Any soft string can become more like 4G if you increase the tension more
 
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BallsOfFire said:
Spinox is a string that is more like the Prince SG Duraflex. A syn Gut with reinforcement.
4G is a very stiff polyester string. I dont think you have a Pros Pro that stiff.
The Babolat Prolast is a very stiff classic polyester (and cheap) which would be more in the line of 4G.
The stiffest Pros Pro string I have encountered is the Strategem 8 in 1.20. The different gausges vary in stiffness. The Strategem 8 1.25 is less stiff than the 1.20
Prestretched the Red Devil can be quite stiff in the thick gauge.
Any soft string can become more like 4G if you increase the tension more
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Thanks, I know most of this, but they must have changed it completely, the Spinox 1,25 was supposed to be a 4G clone.. i have tried almost all other pros pro strings, thanks anyway.
 
morten said:
Thanks, I know most of this, but they must have changed it completely, the Spinox 1,25 was supposed to be a 4G clone.. i have tried almost all other pros pro strings, thanks anyway.
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They changed the string. The spinox you are referring to came out circa 2012 and was discontinued shortly after, and it's definitely a poly. From an appearance point of view it looks just like 4g rough and for a while I remember people debating whether Luxilon had pulled an IP infringement as to force PP to remove it from market. Me personally, I think they may have killed it due to quality control issues as it breaks if you stare at it long enough. I had the 1.30 gauge as a main in one of my stiffer older blades 18x20 (with a very soft multi cross) and the spinox broke in 1h45. Then similar story on fb spinox. It's hard for me to break 1.25 poly strings on the blade 18x20 in under 8h so I was quite shocked.
 
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esgee48 said:
When Spinox first came out, it was a 4G clone. Then it was pulled from their lineup. This new Spinox is a SG or multi. The description even says so.
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I see. I could not understand german in ghe description. Very confusing, they should have chosen a different name... waste of money for me this...
 
morten said:
I see. I could not understand german in ghe description. Very confusing, they should have chosen a different name... waste of money for me this...
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If you still want the original spinox shoot me a message and I'll let you know where you can find it, as the specific factory that makes it (in China or Taiwan, I can't remember which now) sells directly to retail. I will warn you though that it's nothing like 4g.
 
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Thomas the Tank Engine said:
If you still want the original spinox shoot me a message and I'll let you know where you can find it, as the specific factory that makes it (in China or Taiwan, I can't remember which now) sells directly to retail. I will warn you though that it's nothing like 4g.
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This is the issue and I say it again, there are many ways to say made in Germany these days or made in Japan.
I know this as my brother an electronics technician has opened countless of Panasonic< Loewe and Sony goods
Tvs, computers to rice cookers and although they say Made in Japan, all internal parts are from PROC, Phillipines,
Malay, Mexico and even Cambodia yet have these Made in Japan or Made in Germany labels.

Anything that needs further processing like cutting lengths can legally constitute product finishing and "made" title.
More extensive finishing eg. Heat-Setting using Stenting for 30-120 secs before cutting / packaging is also "made".
If the company applies legally to have "made in" legally in their state, it usually passes with a 3 step notice application.
One of the shadiest versions of this is Chinese meat shipped to NZ then selling it OS as "100% Pure NZ".
There are 60minute docos on this and also some factories in PROC can have German Jurisdiction as countries are
just federated legal corporations that can operate like any consulate. Look up US, UK, PROC or JAPAN @ sec.gov
its a deception that is well covered but most dont even bother to learn about it.
 
DariaGT said:
This is the issue and I say it again, there are many ways to say made in Germany these days or made in Japan.
I know this as my brother an electronics technician has opened countless of Panasonic< Loewe and Sony goods
Tvs, computers to rice cookers and although they say Made in Japan, all internal parts are from PROC, Phillipines,
Malay, Mexico and even Cambodia yet have these Made in Japan or Made in Germany labels.

Anything that needs further processing like cutting lengths can legally constitute product finishing and "made" title.
More extensive finishing eg. Heat-Setting using Stenting for 30-120 secs before cutting / packaging is also "made".
If the company applies legally to have "made in" legally in their state, it usually passes with a 3 step notice application.
One of the shadiest versions of this is Chinese meat shipped to NZ then selling it OS as "100% Pure NZ".
There are 60minute docos on this and also some factories in PROC can have German Jurisdiction as countries are
just federated legal corporations that can operate like any consulate. Look up US, UK, PROC or JAPAN @ sec.gov
its a deception that is well covered but most dont even bother to learn about it.
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Pros Pro is an Austrian company. And has been on the market for many years. If they say a.string they sell is made in Germany then its made in Germany. You dont have to doubt that. A lot of strings are made
in Germany.... Kirschbaum, Signum Pro, Dunlop, Tourna and others.
Pros Pro also has deal with Gosen. So some of the Pros Pro offerings are made by Gosen and they make their strings in Japan....
I cant tell why you have a need to say they are lying. If Pros Pro are caught in lying by the harsh authorities in EU, they will get a heavy fine which would destroy their company financially and also reputation wise, as they are not having large profit margins and almost only promotes from mouth to mouth.
 
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DariaGT said:
This is the issue and I say it again, there are many ways to say made in Germany these days or made in Japan.
I know this as my brother an electronics technician has opened countless of Panasonic< Loewe and Sony goods
Tvs, computers to rice cookers and although they say Made in Japan, all internal parts are from PROC, Phillipines,
Malay, Mexico and even Cambodia yet have these Made in Japan or Made in Germany labels.

Anything that needs further processing like cutting lengths can legally constitute product finishing and "made" title.
More extensive finishing eg. Heat-Setting using Stenting for 30-120 secs before cutting / packaging is also "made".
If the company applies legally to have "made in" legally in their state, it usually passes with a 3 step notice application.
One of the shadiest versions of this is Chinese meat shipped to NZ then selling it OS as "100% Pure NZ".
There are 60minute docos on this and also some factories in PROC can have German Jurisdiction as countries are
just federated legal corporations that can operate like any consulate. Look up US, UK, PROC or JAPAN @ sec.gov
its a deception that is well covered but most dont even bother to learn about it.
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Germany is probably the country which produces the most poly strings in the world so it's very believable. PP japanese strings are mostly multifilaments and we know Toalson and Gamma produce under contract for many string brands all over the world so it's also believable. What you're suggesting - getting cheap strings from Asia and cutting to length and packaging in germany - would be a waste of money, especially for a brand like PP which operates on small margins.
 
4G rough clone called Spinox-Polyester from Zarsia (ZTS No. 004). Maybe/probably the one Pros Pro used to sell.
Zarsia is a trade company not the manufacturer.
 
BallsOfFire said:
4G rough clone called Spinox-Polyester from Zarsia (ZTS No. 004). Maybe/probably the one Pros Pro used to sell.
Zarsia is a trade company not the manufacturer.
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Correct, zarzia sells it now but I remember seeing it selling for even cheaper directly from the manufacturer on alibaba. Seeing the reviews of the zarzia string it’s highly likely it’s the same as the old spinox (users mention it’s a soft string, breaks quickly, good value, 4/5 stars).
 
Nobackhander69 said:
So what is the best Pros Pro 4g/ 4g Rough clone now? I liked the 4g Rough a lot but it is a bit expensive and I don’t want to buy it from Alibaba/ Zarzia lol
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I dont think there is a 4G rough clone on Pros Pro shelf.
Cyper Power (made by Gosen) s Alu Power-ish.
You can try all their shaped and twisted
Strings and string them hard with high tension and see. Problem with twisted strings is low playability duration. Very sweet and good but for short time (cross the market-place)
I would say that high tensioned Strategem 8 is you best bet.
 
Like @DariaGT mentioned Black Out mains and Concept crosses is a great combo. I just tried it again after experimenting with many other setups and it is much better than most!!
Black Out 1.24 and Concept 1.22. Nice spin, firm but with nice feel, touch and enough power to open up the court. This is a great PP Hybrid and so is Devil Spin / Concept. So far my two favorites in my Pure Strike 98.
 
StringStrungStrang said:
Like @DariaGT mentioned Black Out mains and Concept crosses is a great combo. I just tried it again after experimenting with many other setups and it is much better than most!!
Black Out 1.24 and Concept 1.22. Nice spin, firm but with nice feel, touch and enough power to open up the court. This is a great PP Hybrid and so is Devil Spin / Concept. So far my two favorites in my Pure Strike 98.
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have you tried Concept 1.28?
 
StringStrungStrang said:
Like @DariaGT mentioned Black Out mains and Concept crosses is a great combo. I just tried it again after experimenting with many other setups and it is much better than most!!
Black Out 1.24 and Concept 1.22. Nice spin, firm but with nice feel, touch and enough power to open up the court. This is a great PP Hybrid and so is Devil Spin / Concept. So far my two favorites in my Pure Strike 98.
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How long is the playability for that hybrid?
 
Just to add further as I have over 200 racquets donated strung for kids and teens on a budget.
Please consider you are saving heaps JUST using the Concept crosses avail. in 1.23, 1.28 & 1.33mm
PPs Concept allows users for very good savings towards using well known brand or higher priced Mains

95/98sq inch Control frames for extra pop / spin VS tweener frames
Opion 1.
Concept X BO Mains
RA67+ frames 35x40 lbs
RA62-66 frames 40x45 lbs (note little stiff @ first good after 1 hour)


98/100sq inch Normal to Open Pattern frames
Option 1.
1.28mm PPs Concept X @ 40lbs vs Hexaspin 1.30mm Mains @ 45lbs.
SP Hextreme is better for durability and stiffer than PPs Hexaspin @ 1.30mm, I suggest 42lbs.
(sadly 1.30mm BO is a little too erratic/dull over 1.25mm and 1.30mm S8 is too stiff/deadly!)

I recommend the extra price $20-30 towards SP Hextreme or MSV Focus "Hex" for Mains
These Mains @ 1.33mm are 60-65usd! yet 220-225lb" stiffness rated slightly less than TB and BO.

The gauge size difference from 1.28mm X versus the 1.33 mm mains allows for extra spin
as there is a slight higher protusion on the mains, the control comes from the dwell of the lower
tension 1.28mm yet the second option below steps up control but increases snap back again.

Options 2.
PPs Concept 1.33mm X @ 35lbs x 1.33mm SP Hextreme or MSV Focus Hex @ 40lbs.

Options 3.
PPs Concept 1.33mm X @ 35lbs x 1.35mm Solinco TB @ 40lbs. TB is pricey but lasts forever
in this gauge and most strange of all has some memory properties in that if the snap back
starts to slow down, you put it away for a month then get back on it and lasts the same so
I ended up with a dozen of frames which I rotated 3 per week for years!

Please note....
not full PPs at first but just testing this combo to see if I can replace the X string with a PP product
or hopefully end up with a softer combo to suit arm wrecking frames like PDs or ra68+ frames.

Signum Pro Poly Plasma 16 1.28mm round for crosses and Signum Pro Hextreme 1.30mm for Mains
which for TWU produced 7.3 in the spin deparment hoping to replace the SPPP with PPs Plus Power 16.
 
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BallsOfFire said:
How long is the playability for that hybrid?
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TW + static weight and pattern make a big difference to longevity
eg. In my 6.1 95 inch 18x20 @ 350gsm lasts 12hrs of heavy play
vs my Dunlop cx 2.0 98 inch 16x19 @ 333gsm 16hrs of hard play
yet although tension drop significantly on BO you can still take
big cuts even till the end and the ball lands in which accuracy.
The even though snap back is less as BO is about to snap near
the end you have to add more of your own spin modulation on
you stroke as pop is still there as BO is on its last fibers and just
hanging in there assisted by the Concept like a cut snake!

Its the wildest and most satisfying combo in terms of spin, pop,
durability and price for control racquets Ive ever experienced
50% more spin than Solinco HG round X TB 1.25mm combo
due to snap back albeit 20% less feel BUT 300% SAVINGS!
 
BallsOfFire said:
have you tried Concept 1.28?
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Yes it is also a perfect cross string for 1.30mm mains and even 1.35mm mains on 100 sq APD and PD like frames.

The 1.33 is the stiffest and yet this means it reflects the Weiss Scorpion stiffness ratings which are listed on TWU as

1.22mm 193lb per inch
1.28mm 200lb"
1/33mm 223lb"

This is very different to most strings which as you also found get stiffer as they get smaller, its the opposite in this case.
 
DariaGT said:
Yes it is also a perfect cross string for 1.30mm mains and even 1.35mm mains on 100 sq APD and PD like frames.

The 1.33 is the stiffest and yet this means it reflects the Weiss Scorpion stiffness ratings which are listed on TWU as

1.22mm 193lb per inch
1.28mm 200lb"
1/33mm 223lb"

This is very different to most strings which as you also found get stiffer as they get smaller, its the opposite in this case.
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I guess if Concept is the same as Scorpion.......is then Black Out the same as Black 5 edge ?
It looks like Black 5 edge has better/less string to string friction than Scorpion (on TWU chart). isnt then the better hybrid actually just a full bed of Black Out?
side note: be carefull with Big Hitter Silver...... Some 1.30 (16) reels are either really 1.25 or 1.35 (caliper meassured)...some production line errors there.
 
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DariaGT said:
Just to add further as I have over 200 racquets donated strung for kids and teens on a budget.
Please consider you are saving heaps JUST using the Concept crosses avail. in 1.23, 1.28 & 1.33mm
PPs Concept allows users for very good savings towards using well known brand or higher priced Mains

95/98sq inch Control frames for extra pop / spin VS tweener frames
Opion 1.
Concept X BO Mains
RA67+ frames 35x40 lbs
RA62-66 frames 40x45 lbs (note little stiff @ first good after 1 hour)


98/100sq inch Normal to Open Pattern frames
Option 1.
1.28mm PPs Concept X @ 40lbs vs Hexaspin 1.30mm Mains @ 45lbs.
SP Hextreme is better for durability and stiffer than PPs Hexaspin @ 1.30mm, I suggest 42lbs.
(sadly 1.30mm BO is a little too erratic/dull over 1.25mm and 1.30mm S8 is too stiff/deadly!)

I recommend the extra price $20-30 towards SP Hextreme or MSV Focus "Hex" for Mains
These Mains @ 1.35mm are 60-65usd! yet 220-225lb" stiffness rated slightly less than TB and BO.

The gauge size difference from 1.28mm X versus the 1.35 mm mains allows for extra spin
as there is a slight higher protusion on the mains, the control comes from the dwell of the lower
tension 1.28 yet the second option below steps up control but increases snap back again.

Options 2
PPs Concept 1.33mm X @ 35lbs x 1.35mm SP Hextreme or MSV Focus Hex @ 40lbs.

Please note....not PPs but just for the next best budget combo that still belongs here....
Ive just received for testing a new combo for stiffer large open pattern racquets
might be able to replace the SSSP for the PPs Plus Power saving $20 usd etc.
Signum Pro Poly Plasma 1.28mm round for crosses which are a little softer than Concept 1.28
and Signum Pro Hextreme 1.30mm which at this gauge produces 7.3 in the spin deparment
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Very valuable information. Thank you.
 
DariaGT said:
Just to add further as I have over 200 racquets donated strung for kids and teens on a budget.
Please consider you are saving heaps JUST using the Concept crosses avail. in 1.23, 1.28 & 1.33mm
PPs Concept allows users for very good savings towards using well known brand or higher priced Mains

95/98sq inch Control frames for extra pop / spin VS tweener frames
Opion 1.
Concept X BO Mains
RA67+ frames 35x40 lbs
RA62-66 frames 40x45 lbs (note little stiff @ first good after 1 hour)


98/100sq inch Normal to Open Pattern frames
Option 1.
1.28mm PPs Concept X @ 40lbs vs Hexaspin 1.30mm Mains @ 45lbs.
SP Hextreme is better for durability and stiffer than PPs Hexaspin @ 1.30mm, I suggest 42lbs.
(sadly 1.30mm BO is a little too erratic/dull over 1.25mm and 1.30mm S8 is too stiff/deadly!)

I recommend the extra price $20-30 towards SP Hextreme or MSV Focus "Hex" for Mains
These Mains @ 1.35mm are 60-65usd! yet 220-225lb" stiffness rated slightly less than TB and BO.

The gauge size difference from 1.28mm X versus the 1.35 mm mains allows for extra spin
as there is a slight higher protusion on the mains, the control comes from the dwell of the lower
tension 1.28 yet the second option below steps up control but increases snap back again.

Options 2
PPs Concept 1.33mm X @ 35lbs x 1.35mm SP Hextreme or MSV Focus Hex @ 40lbs.

Please note....not PPs but just for the next best budget combo that still belongs here....
Ive just received for testing a new combo for stiffer large open pattern racquets
might be able to replace the SSSP for the PPs Plus Power saving $20 usd etc.
Signum Pro Poly Plasma 1.28mm round for crosses which are a little softer than Concept 1.28
and Signum Pro Hextreme 1.30mm which at this gauge produces 7.3 in the spin deparment
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Just remember that Focus Hex 1.27 is quite soft ( much softer than 1.23 version) and needs a bit higher tension.I have a great combo also to recommend:
Co-focus 1.18 cross and Focus hex 1.23 Mains. both at 50 lbs. (as co focus is 15 % softer than focus hex in those gauges)
 
DariaGT said:
Yes it is also a perfect cross string for 1.30mm mains and even 1.35mm mains on 100 sq APD and PD like frames.

The 1.33 is the stiffest and yet this means it reflects the Weiss Scorpion stiffness ratings which are listed on TWU as

1.22mm 193lb per inch
1.28mm 200lb"
1/33mm 223lb"

This is very different to most strings which as you also found get stiffer as they get smaller, its the opposite in this case.
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I did a hybrid in a Wilson Pro Staff 100 ( really a Pro Open BLX)
Co focus 1.18 cross and Black Out 1.24 Mains. Really good also.
 
yep I read your post on the 1.18 focus and willing to try that on my 6.1 and 1.22 s8
bit worried about s8 though been getting sore joints on the back of my elbow
anything you know under 1.23mm for spin as good as BO?
 
DariaGT said:
yep I read your post on the 1.18 focus and willing to try that on my 6.1 and 1.22 s8
bit worried about s8 though been getting sore joints on the back of my elbow
anything you know under 1.23mm for spin as good as BO?
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on top of my head:
Maybe the MSV 1.20 Focus Hex Soft
or (again) co focus 1.18
Weiscannon 1.18 Red Ghost. (maybe same as Red Devil but with 7 sides)
PP Hexaspin 1.20 lime
 
BallsOfFire said:
I guess if Concept is the same as Scorpion.......is then Black Out the same as Black 5 edge ?
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I believe so, someone pointed to be from same factory some time back if not mistaken, seems awesome as I mentioned in 1.25 but boardy and less control and spin in thicker gauges.
BallsOfFire said:
It looks like Black 5 edge has better/less string to string friction than Scorpion (on TWU chart). isnt then the better hybrid actually just a full bed of Black Out?
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My experience with players using geared cross strings is yes less friction but cuts the main as the friction is concentrated in a smaller area or edges.
As a pro that changes with every ball change no issues but gets pricey for amateurs and specially very expensive for those using gut mains.
If you can use BO or S8 with wax/wd40/sil with a cheap yet quality SG mains that could be worth changing often for self stringers.

BallsOfFire said:
side note: be carefull with Big Hitter Silver...... Some 1.30 (16) reels are either really 1.25 or 1.35 (caliper meassured)...some production line errors there.
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very handy info, specially if pairing it as as cross with TWs P6 for mains (aka hex sitting on round crosses)

Seems the silver coloring on strings has that crispy feel that is often muted on carbon/charcoal used on black strings
lively for green as you said and yellow seems to be the longest lasting even more than white which is more powerful but lesser lasting than silver.

On a side project....
Im asking a few string manufacturers if they can source anodized alum metallic blue but communication with Taiwan suppliers is challenging.
 
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