Pros that retire the most when losing

Nice stuff. Even the graphs above your signature are good.

Goes to show what I know. I would have guessed Robredo and Djoko would top that list (I'm guessing they would if you had a list of players who call the trainer when they're down. Sad to see Haas, Marko and Gasquet at the top.

Surprised also, to see a whiner like Murray at the bottom with Blake, Rog and Nalbandian. Kidding, I really dig Murray, and I'm glad he getting fitter and stronger as he grows.
 

mileslong

Professional
An interesting article came out on tennis.com has analysis on which of the top players retire when losing, as opposed to when they're behind,
do you mean as opposed to when they are ahead?
 

LeftyServe

Semi-Pro
Haas is notorious. Didn't he retire from Hamburg last year because of "allergies?" I hate to question anyone's decision without full information, but when it's a recurring thing...
 

illkhiboy

Hall of Fame
The one incentive that I think players have to retire, is, that then people remember that defeat with the injury in mind. Like "Oh Player A beat Player B but B was injured and which is why he also retired." On the other hand, when the injured player doesn't retire, most people do not bring it up. Especially since a lot of people don't know about the match but have only seen the scores. For example, I didn't know that Sampras was competing while injured against Rafter in the 98 US Open semi-final. Though I had read several references to that Sampras defeat over the last year or 2, it was only recently that I got to know that he was playing injured.
 

Nuke

Hall of Fame
There's also some pros who may not retire, but when they see they may lose, they call out the trainer for some fake injury so they can set up an excuse for the press conference.
 

Craig Sheppard

Hall of Fame
This is meaningless. If you have some sort of nagging injury, and you're already down, you are probably going to think to yourself, "I should just shut it down before I hurt myself further". Also, nothing is said about what the scores are at the time of the retirement. It could be that the players at the top of this list are down something like 0-4 or 1-5 or 1-6 and realize that they shouldn't have even been out there. It's better IMO to give it a go and see how you feel than to just withdraw and give a walkover. Obviously I'm not talking about the 2 examples cited by Haas when down just a game or two away from the match being over. But in general, I don't think this says much.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
I thought Ljubicic's post match interview after beating Nalbandian in 3 sets Indian Wells was very telling, as is this graph.

He was down a set, & called the trainer. In the interview he said he was one game away from retiring, because his knee hurt & he had no chance of winning. But when he broke serve, he decided to keep playing & eventually won. Guess it wasn't a serious "injury" at all considering he won the match & looked fine in his next match.

Many of these "injuries" that cause tennis players to retire aren't serious at all, they just don't think they can win & don't want to give their opponent the satisfaction of a win(I remember Haas retiring when he was down a set & 5-2 once & Santoro retiring down 2 sets & 5-0, 40-0-I'm not kidding-in the 3rd once, their opponents were not pleased at this at all. Their "injuries" were no worse earlier in the match than when they decided to quit)

I applaud the new ATP CEO for vowing more fines for late withdrawls. And there should be more medical proof of these injuries as well, I wouldn't mind if he looked into retirements as well.

I miss the old Aussie attitude, if you are on court you are fit to play & you always finish the match.

Even Murray said he shouldn't have played his semi at Indian Wells because he didn't want to risk further injury, which is absurd, he wasn't injured, just was sore & was at no risk for further injury(the whole 'risk of further injury' thing in tennis is a bit absurd when you see boxers play with broken hands, dislocated shoulders, etc, they aren't just risking further injury but death. or nfl players playing injured. I wasn't aware that tennis had such a high risk of injury compared to contact sports)
 

Baghdatis72

Hall of Fame
They might have been down because of the injury.
That's what I believe too. I have seen many matches where the player was losing due to an injury but continued to play until the injury didn't allow it and the player had to retire. If they were quitting whenever they were down then they would retire 30% of their matches.
 

diegaa

Hall of Fame
good finding shooter.
i was thinking if nalbo would be in the list. first thing that come up to my mind: if nalbo is up there, he should be in lots of pain as he always starts loosing the matches.
 

diegaa

Hall of Fame
aykhan mammadov or something. you can look for his post looking him at the member list above. im not really a fan of him.
 

Max G.

Legend
I miss the old Aussie attitude, if you are on court you are fit to play
I can't say I miss that... I much prefer honesty to lies. Just because you're on the court doesn't mean you're playing at 100% - if you have an injury and walk on the court, you probably won't be playing at 100%, regardless of whether you lie later and claim you were.

Still interesting graphs though. I don't like players retiring because of bogus injuries, though I personally give them the benefit of the doubt on it - I have little interest in watching players play subpar tennis, and they can go ahead and retire if they don't feel they're playing well because of some injury. So I don't really mind. Still interesting graphs though... I suppose it makes sense that players play through injuries when they're ahead and/or recognize injuries more when they're behind.

(the whole 'risk of further injury' thing in tennis is a bit absurd when you see boxers play with broken hands, dislocated shoulders, etc, they aren't just risking further injury but death. or nfl players playing injured. I wasn't aware that tennis had such a high risk of injury compared to contact sports)
I'm sure it doesn't. But just because people in contact sports take stupid risks doesn't mean tennis players should. I would hope for their sake that tennis players prioritize staying healthy above playing/finishing that one next match.
 
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