Prostaff stringing

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  1. levy1

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    I just received my first Wilson Prostaff 95 6.0 16x18 to string. The manual shows one piece stringing and I want to use a hybrid. I am confused. I assume the position of the mains never change just because you go from a 1 piece to a two piece. The manual shows me skipping 7,9T-8B and start the C at 7t but it does not work. Need help!
     
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    You're skipping 7 + 9 at the Top of the hoop and 8 at the throat, yes? Tie off the top cross @ 5 and start 1st cross @ 7...weave away and Bob's your uncle! :)
     
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    The original PS 6.0 95 tie off the mains at 6 top. Start cross at 7 top (tie offs at 5 top and 11 bottom.) There is a successor also called PS 6.0 95 which skips 7,9 top and 7,9 bottom; ties off mains at 8 bottom; first cross is 7 top (tie off crosses at 5 top and 12 bottom.)
     
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  4. jim e

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    Hello Fred:
    Two models of that racquet. Here are both:

    Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 95 (DTB Teal)
    Tension 53-63
    Pattern 16×18
    Start M's T
    Main Skips 7T,9T & 7H,9H
    Len. 1pc 36'
    Short Side 9'8"
    Len. 2pc 19'4"x16'8"
    Tie Off M's 8T
    Start 1pc X 7T
    Last 1pc X 7H
    Tie 1pc X 5H
    Start 2pc X 7H
    Last 2pc X 7T
    Tie 2pc X 5H,12T

    Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 Original MP (95)
    Tension 55-65
    Pattern 16×18
    Start M's T
    Main Skips 8T & 7H,9H
    Len. 1pc 34'
    Short Side 9'
    Len. 2pc 18'x16'
    Tie Off M's 6T
    Start 1pc X 8T
    Last 1pc X 7H
    Tie 1pc X 5H
    Start 2pc X 7H
    Last 2pc X 8T
    Tie 2pc X 5H,11T

    Note: T =throat , H = head of racquet

    Coach Rick is correct that you tie knot at 5H and start X at 7H and thats with either model listed no matter if Bobs your uncle or not.
    Hope this helps. Jim
     
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  5. Irvin

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    That racket is not a fan pattern racket so all the strings should be parallel. If you end up with a main that is not parallel to the other string you either skipped a hole that you should not have skipped or you didn't skip a hole you should have skipped. Also the mains can not get closer together as you go out from the center. When filling in the crosses use all the empty holes there are no shared holes in that racket. The tie off holes are always the larger grommet holes and easy to spot.

    EDIT: Most of the time you can look at the bend in the grommet to see which way the string went when it was strung.
     
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    OK I can use an uncle, especially if he is rich but who is BOB?
     
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    Bob's your uncle! I thought I made that clear :) .

    The UK fellows can explain. ;)

    Rough translation: "There ya go!"
     
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    What Irvin it saying is give your racquet to your fathers brother Robert.
    He will in turn string your racquet and there you have it, Bob's your uncle!
     
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    Hi everyone,
    I've got my ProStaff 6.0 95 (16x18 made in China) strung 2 weeks ago with 2 pc stringing. I showed the stringer the mains and cross tie-off positions based on wilson's recommendation. All went well until he came to the tie off for the last cross. Wilson specified cross tie off at 11T but the guy said 11T was too small and said that 9T is more suitable. I let him continue thinking he knew better. Since then I have played with the racquet once or twice and it wasn't until today that I took a closer look at the 9T knot and discovered that the knot is created besides the main. I could understand why he couldn't do a normal tie-off given the proximity to 10T. The other 3 tie-offs are okay I think.

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3fHWflveiDfTE9lT2laMm9FbmM
    Pic 1

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3fHWflveiDfZUZiblR1N3JKUzQ
    Pic 2

    Pic 1 shows the strange looking tie-off. Take note that 2 grommets above that is 11T.
    Pic 2 shows one of the 3 other tie-offs
    My question is if such a knot termination as in 9T allowed? Based on the Pic 1, do you think there is a chance of using 11T although I must say the grommet doesn't look like one that is meant for 2 strings to go into. Thanks in advance!
     
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    From what I can see from Pic 1, the yellow string is anchoring itself only by the grommet and not tied off on the main string. I and probably 99.9% of the stringing world would never just tie a huge knot and anchor it on the grommet, as it would put on a lot more pressure on the grommet and possible damage it more. Why the stringer did not tie it off on 7H is weird to me, there seems like more than enough space to insert the string.
     
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    Thanks for the comments lidoaz. The mains tie-offs are 6T and this are adhered to. The cross tie-offs are 5H and 11T. Only 5H is adhered to; instead of 11T the stringer did 9T. I do not understand what you mean by "not tying off on 7H"? The last cross was at the throat and therefore should not be tied of at 7H , not at the head.
    My more pertinent question is if it's possible to tie off at 11T (per manufacturer specs) since it is smaller.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with tying off at 9T. 11T may be a possible location for tying off but I don't think a good one. Chances are if you're not careful there's a good chance you will end up with a crossover on the outside of the frame.
     
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  15. lidoazndiabloboi

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    Sorry I meant to say 7T
     
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    I see. Yeah why not 7T? It sure has more clearance there.

    So you think 9T is good enough. Seems a bit too close to 10T (the bottom cross). I have no experience in stringing but I guess you would use a Pro knot here given that it is apt for tight situations like this.
     
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    I think 9 throat is a great location to tie off for a couple of reasons:
    1 - it is very close to the bottom so so there is less untensioned string between the clamp and the knot allowing for less drawback
    2 - It appears to be to be a larger grommet than 11T meaning to me Wilson designed that grommet for tying off. I don't really care what the Klippermate site say or Wilson for that matter, they've been wrong before.

    As far as what knot I would use it would be a Parnell knot. I know you have to go around the tie off string two times. And the best part about that is that it creates a larger knot and although it may flare the grommet more than other knots that's ok with me. There are stringers (believe it or not that buy a flair tool for the sole purpose of flairing the grommet.) Many people though don'yt like using it is tight spots. ARMATURES!!!! Yes you read that right they don't know what they are doing or even worse, don't think about what they are doing.

    Think about this now it is really deep. Almost like rocket science and requires a lot of thought. I prefer to start my cross on the first open grommet below the outside main. The Wilson Original 6.0 95 is a 16x18 racket that skips 7&9 Head and 8T, so I would pre-weave the crosses on the third cross going up to the top cross. I know I am going to tie off on the upper left and lower right corners if I string it two piece. Because I am starting on the third cross which is an odd numbered cross the third cross will go over or under that left outmost main the same as the 17th cross (10T.) So I go over that first main so the third cross goes under the left 8th main (and the 17th.) when I finish on the 18th cross on the left side I tie my knot between the 16th and 17th cross whick gives me all the rrom I need to tie my knot. When I tighten it the knot slide right down next to the grommet because the interesecting string is below the anchor string.
     
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    You can tie off on either 9T or 7T given enough space for the string to get in. My recommendation is to tie off on 7T because it is much closer to the last cross, so less tension loss due to extra string on the side. But my biggest problem was with how it was tied off, not so much the location.
     
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    Thanks Irvin for yet another set of refreshing inputs. I understand how when the 3rd cross goes under the left 8th main, the same is also true for the 17th cross on the left 8th main but I lost you when you say to tie the knot between the 16th and 17th cross. If you look at the pic again https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3fHWflveiDfTE9lT2laMm9FbmM/view, there is no grommet between the 16th and 17th cross ( the top two crosses in the pic).
     
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    If the anchor string is above the intersecting string even though you tie the knot above the intersection it will slide down right next to the grommet.
     
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