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Trickster

Rookie
The amount of time that tennis nerds spend ululating over the pro staff 6.0 85 is rather weird. I have tried them several times (including the St Vincent) to see what all the hype is about.

Again for the uninitiated I play decent standard, classic s+v tennis with a slightly adjusted eastern grip on the forehand.

For me any player with the following game:

1) Semi western and western grip forehand
2) Wants big access to top spin
3) Wanting power
4) Deep court baseliner

My feeling is that for 99% of players up to 5.5 level, a PS 85 is just a ridiculous choice and would probably harm your development up the ranks. There's literally no benefit from playing with such a small heads size.

Now don't get me wrong this isn't a thread bashing classic rackets, have played with a Volkl C10, POG Mid and OS, Triple Threat Warrior but some rackets are just destined for another age.

Thoughts? There must be very few pros on the tour using it under the Paint Jobs.
 

SinneGOAT

Professional
I’m surprised how many WTA players use it, I see kvitova has that classic 6.1 beam, as well as that British guy Djokovic beat(sorry but I don’t remember him) and Dan Evans.
 

Kalin

Legend
I’m surprised how many WTA players use it, I see kvitova has that classic 6.1 beam, as well as that British guy Djokovic beat(sorry but I don’t remember him) and Dan Evans.
The 6.1 and its many iterations, yes, but it is a very different frame. Nobody in the pro ranks, to my knowledge, uses a 6.0 85 or anything similar to that (OK, maybe some old school S&Ver still does). Federer was the last holdout.

The amount of time that tennis nerds spend ululating over the pro staff 6.0 85 is rather weird. I have tried them several times (including the St Vincent) to see what all the hype is about.
I think most of the ululating (nice word!) is due to the racquet's history and success; not because people think it is still the best tool for the job. For example, I just bought an Ivan Lendl GTX Pro Mid in a very good condition and I am stoked to have it but I don't for a second imagine that it will help me beat my opponents.

Most of the admiration is reserved for the older PS85 models, like Chicagos and St. Vincents. They weren't even called 6.0 at the time, IIRC.

As for the rest, yes. The 6.0 85 is a great stick if one plays classic S&V tennis and even then there are probably better choices. For a baseliner, especially for one who tries to play more modern, topspin-based game, one is indeed putting oneself at a big disadvantage by using one, assuming similar level of opponents.

I'm nowhere near a 5.0+ but I always played volleys quite OK. I have to say that I haven't found another racquet that volleys like a PS85. But getting to a winning volleying position with it when one is facing Pure Drive-wielding foes is another matter :)
 
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BDAZ

Professional
The Pro Staff 85 s a great feeling racquet. I’m not sure anyone these days is using one to “move up the ranks”. Hardly even see older guys out there with them anymore.
 

onehandbh

Legend
I'm nowhere near a 5.0+ but I always played volleys quite OK. I have to say that I haven't found another racquet that volleys like a PS85. But getting to a winning volleying position with it when one is facing Pure Drive-wielding foes is another matter :)
I played with the PS85 for 15+ years and it is still my favorite racquet for volleying.

My Yonex 95D is so much better for spin and groundstrokes, so I no longer use the PS85.

Compared to a modern racquet, the PS 85 is like a scalpel vs a sword. Because it inflicts so much more damage, precision and accuracy is less important with the sword, and most of the time the sword is better, but for certain situations, the scalpel has an advantage.
 
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dnguyen

Hall of Fame
Wish Wilson reopen the st vincent factory to reproduce ps85, ps90, and ps95. All with 17mm thin beam. I dont mind paying the premium prices.
 

Kalin

Legend
Wish Wilson reopen the st vincent factory to reproduce ps85, ps90, and ps95. All with 17mm thin beam. I dont mind paying the premium prices.
This is, alas, probably very unlikely. But I'm sure it is entirely possible Wilson does a limited run at their current factory/ies while trying to get very close to the original specs, whatever they were. Similar to what they did with the PS 6.1.
 

dnguyen

Hall of Fame
This is, alas, probably very unlikely. But I'm sure it is entirely possible Wilson does a limited run at their current factory/ies while trying to get very close to the original specs, whatever they were. Similar to what they did with the PS 6.1.
Wilson paid too much on professional players using their crappy racquets to entice the current generational players who had no idea about the vintage racquets. I do not care about the pro stock.
 
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davced1

Professional
I bought mine used from a former ATP player with a career high of 350 and he played with it probably in futures and challengers mostly. This was in 2012 or something. He had made the switch to the Pure Drive and I remember his words when he sold it to me. Nothing beats hitting the sweet spot with this he said but I changed because the Pure Drive helps me get more balls back in play. That sums it up nicely!

The benefit that I can see besides it's really fun to hit with is that it helps with form and early preparation. It's very hard to "cheat" with this racquet. I call it my stick of truth because it is honest about where my game really is at without the help of modern racquets. Then I switch back and play even better with my aeropro drive.
 
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what_army

Rookie
Wish Wilson reopen the st vincent factory to reproduce ps85, ps90, and ps95. All with 17mm thin beam. I dont mind paying the premium prices.
Wait! Someone on the internet says they want a stiff pro staff 85, this changes everything! Wilson can now safely list the multiple job specs and fill out the dozens of roles needed to run the SV facility! get these people all on payroll, switch on the power button and deploy the multiple marketing channels. Scr*w the corporate stiffs and their stupid ideas to create the clash line, they know nothing about tennis nor the tennis industry and they are clueless as to what the players really want and they have barely managed to break even ever since SV shut down.
 
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blablavla

Legend
Wait! Someone on the internet says they want a stiff pro staff 85, this changes everything! Wilson can now safely send out the multiple job specs and fill out the dozens of roles needed to run the SV facility! get these people all on payroll, switch on the power button and deploy the multiple marketing channels. Scr*w the corporate stiffs and their stupid ideas to create the clash line, they know nothing about tennis nor the tennis industry and they are clueless as to what the players really want and they have barely managed to break even ever since SV shut down.
finally someone understood the value of this sub-section!
 

Kalin

Legend
Wait! Someone on the internet says they want a stiff pro staff 85, this changes everything! Wilson can now safely list the multiple job specs and fill out the dozens of roles needed to run the SV facility! get these people all on payroll, switch on the power button and deploy the multiple marketing channels. Scr*w the corporate stiffs and their stupid ideas to create the clash line, they know nothing about tennis nor the tennis industry and they are clueless as to what the players really want and they have barely managed to break even ever since SV shut down.
Methinks you're taking these discussions way too seriously...
 

GhostOfNKDM

Rookie
The amount of time that tennis nerds spend ululating over the pro staff 6.0 85 is rather weird. I have tried them several times (including the St Vincent) to see what all the hype is about.

Again for the uninitiated I play decent standard, classic s+v tennis with a slightly adjusted eastern grip on the forehand.

For me any player with the following game:

1) Semi western and western grip forehand
2) Wants big access to top spin
3) Wanting power
4) Deep court baseliner

My feeling is that for 99% of players up to 5.5 level, a PS 85 is just a ridiculous choice and would probably harm your development up the ranks. There's literally no benefit from playing with such a small heads size.

Now don't get me wrong this isn't a thread bashing classic rackets, have played with a Volkl C10, POG Mid and OS, Triple Threat Warrior but some rackets are just destined for another age.

Thoughts? There must be very few pros on the tour using it under the Paint Jobs.
Different time, different game, different tools.

It's like the onslaught of SUVs on the roads. Once heavier vehicles with a higher sitting position became common, no one wanted to be in the cars stuck behind these bigger vehicles, or get into an accident with one.

It's the same story with tennis rackets. But it's really Poly strings that changed the game and stiffer, lighter racquets made it an arms race pushing out heavier, softer/flexible sticks which were in another league for touch, precision and feel.

Now it's all about countering power and spin with more power and spin.
 

Kalin

Legend
Sampras must have found his whole career was just one long orgy of ecstatically discombobulated ululation, then.
Well, given who he got married to I'd venture a guess that the ecstatic orgy of ululation is still going on quite strongly :eek: :X3::happydevil:
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
This thread makes me want to ulalate. Loudly, and protractedly.



You are discombobulated. There is no one using it on tour.
I don’t know whether I should be impressed that someone on TTW used a word that I had to look up; unimpressed that they misspelt it; really impressed that they are so familiar with the word that they used it in a casual ad hoc manner without needing to look it up and so check spelling.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I could of used ‘misspelled’ instead of ‘misspelt’, but then I would be linguistically compliant with a country that thinks the past tense of ‘dive’ is a synonym for a pigeon. :unsure: :-D (If only I cud learn ta speak as well as PresEdent Trump.)
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
Well, given who he got married to I'd venture a guess that the ecstatic orgy of ululation is still going on quite strongly :eek: :X3::happydevil:
Im glad you mentioned her. Well, i was once i googled her!

I don’t know whether I should be impressed that someone on TTW used a word that I had to look up; unimpressed that they misspelt it; really impressed that they are so familiar with the word that they used it in a casual ad hoc manner without needing to look it up and so check spelling.
Generally my english could be described as very casual and ad hoc!
 
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