PS tour 90 vs KPS 88?

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PJN

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Despite all the numbers, does the KPS 88 swing as heavy as the PS tour 90? I never liked the ' heavy' swing of the latter, despite the fact that I can easely handle the (static) weight..
 
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PJN

Guest
Nobody knows?

Does anybody knows what the swingweight was of the tour 90? I thought it was VERY slughish, much more so then the PS 85, but I assume the SW was lower than the KPS 88?
 
Funny how people complained about the heft of the Tour 90 but play down the heft of the new model. The 88 is clearly heavier in every way.
 

ag200boy

Hall of Fame
^^ Yes AG200, but do you actually prefer the AG200 over the Tour 90?
ehh its a tough call. I think i prefer the tour 90 on BH and volleys, but my leaded up AG200 just brings my serve to a different level, and my game follows my serve for the most part so im sticking with it

EDIT: does anyone know the SW of the tour 90? I have no way of measuring SW and i would like to use it to give myself a reference of my AG200s SW
 

obnoxious2

Semi-Pro
Tour 90 feels much more sluggish IMO. I don't know how to explain it. It's more HL than the kps88 but it feels like my shoulder is about to pop out sometimes. Maybe its just the tour 90 that I have was on the way upper end of Wilson's bad qc as opposed to my kps88. I'll need to get them both RDCed
 
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PJN

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I did have no problem hitting with the tour 90 from the baseline, not too heavy at all, but stopped playing with it because I could not move around with it as fast as I would at net. I always thought the tour 90 felt more sluggish AT THE NET than the PS 85 and that is why I never got the groove with it. How is that with kps 88 compared to the tour 90? I would think the sw of 346 would make that worse.
 

HeadPrestige

Professional
True. The Tour 90 is the most manueverable of the T90's, and my personal favorite in all areas (including the KPS888).
i have read lots of your posts on these forums, and know that we have pretty similar tastes in rackets... so if you could answer a few questions, that would be great.

How does the PS tour 90 compare to the k90 in terms of SW? Is it significantly more maneuverable/ or sluggish?

How does the PS tour 90 compare to the 6.0 95 (i know the SW is significantly different, just talking about feel)?
 

Pushmaster

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i have read lots of your posts on these forums, and know that we have pretty similar tastes in rackets... so if you could answer a few questions, that would be great.

How does the PS tour 90 compare to the k90 in terms of SW? Is it significantly more maneuverable/ or sluggish?

How does the PS tour 90 compare to the 6.0 95 (i know the SW is significantly different, just talking about feel)?
I don't really get hung up on numbers HP, but the Tour 90 swings lighter and is more manueverable to me than the K90. Also, I like the feel of the Tour 90 better, decent amount of flex, and very comfortable. The K90 feels stiffer and more muted, not my cup of tea.

I like the Tour 90 better than the PS 6.0 95, it's more stable and solid. The PS 6.0 95 has a sweeter feel when you hit the sweetspot, but is very harsh when you don't. The 6.0 95 is a good stick, but lead is a must IMO. The Tour 90 plays great stock, just plows through the ball.
 
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HeadPrestige

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I don't really get hung up on numbers HP, but the Tour 90 swings lighter and is more manueverable to me than the K90. Also, I like the feel of the Tour 90 better, decent amount of flex, and very comfortable. The K90 feels stiffer and more muted, not my cup of tea.

I like the Tour 90 better than the PS 6.0 95, it's more stable and solid. The PS 6.0 95 has a sweeter feel when you hit the sweetspot, but is very harsh when you don't. The 6.0 95 is a good stick, but lead is a must IMO. The Tour 90 plays great stock, just plows through the ball.
Thanks for the response...

Does it swing significantly lighter than the k90... or just a bit? The stroke i had most trouble with the k90 on was serves... it just felt sluggish.

Thanks for the response, looks like i may pick up a ps tour 90 instead of a k88.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
I is much heavier then the PS Tour! Don't need the lead tape or as much of it! Of course, it was design by Pete so it got to be close to the PS 85! The PS Tour was lighter!
 

Pushmaster

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Thanks for the response...

Does it swing significantly lighter than the k90... or just a bit? The stroke i had most trouble with the k90 on was serves... it just felt sluggish.

Thanks for the response, looks like i may pick up a ps tour 90 instead of a k88.
It swings a little lighter, but it's a hefty stick for sure. The Tour 90 is one of the best serving sticks there is, along with the 6.0 85 and PC600. With good technique and a little muscle, you'll have no problem serving up some real bombs. The Tour 90 is the closest thing we'll ever get to the mythical PS 6.0 90, good move to pick one up.
 

goosala

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I played better with the Tour 90 than with the K90. It was easier to swing and serve with. The K90 was not excessively heavy but I would describe it as substantial. I have not hit with the K88 yet but everyone says it feels, swings, and is balanced heavier than the K90. IMO the Tour 90 is the closest to the PS85 like the previous person mentioned. My favorite frame balance is the PS85. I just wished Wilson could make it into a legitimate 90 size head and balance. I passed on the NCode90.
 

bluegrasser

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I was going to take the 88 out for a demo run, but after swinging it 1/2 dz times I realized it would be late city for this cat. One thing would be a + is..blocking returns from the bkhnd side, with that weight and stability you wouldn't need much of a backswing.

The 88 swings heavier than the PS tour for sure....
 
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PJN

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I hit with a KPS 88 today. It was 3-4 grams lighter than listed, and more like 7 points head light. Forget about all the numbers. It is a heavy racket, sure, but the distribution of the weight is just right. It does not play more difficult or sluggish than a tour 90; the oposit. It even felt more right swinging it than my K blade tour with a few grams lead at 3 and 9; it did not swing lighter but somehow it did swing easier!
 

HeadPrestige

Professional
I don't really get hung up on numbers HP, but the Tour 90 swings lighter and is more manueverable to me than the K90. Also, I like the feel of the Tour 90 better, decent amount of flex, and very comfortable. The K90 feels stiffer and more muted, not my cup of tea.

I like the Tour 90 better than the PS 6.0 95, it's more stable and solid. The PS 6.0 95 has a sweeter feel when you hit the sweetspot, but is very harsh when you don't. The 6.0 95 is a good stick, but lead is a must IMO. The Tour 90 plays great stock, just plows through the ball.
I added 2 6 inch strips of lead tape at 12 o'clock when i used the 6.0 95 and found that set up perfect.

I know you have played extensively with both the 6.0 and the tour 90... how much less maneuverable was the tour 90 compared to your leaded 6.0s?

Also, my main concern is racket head speed on serves. For some reason i just could never get in a groove with the k90 on serves, it just felt off. Did you have a similar experience with the k90 or not really?

I am just asking, because i am thinking about picking up a pair of tour 90s, and want as much info as possible. Feel free to add anything else you think is relevant.
 

zebra77

New User
HeadPrestige,
I have 6.0 95 with lead tape and K90 as well. I have to agree with you on the serves. The 6.0 95 give you more precision on the flat serve down the T, however, I can put better kick serve with the K90. For some reason, with the 6.0 95 the kick serves always sail long.

I can hit it flatter with the 6.0 95 to hit a winner off a short ball. I did put lead tape on one of my K90 on 3 and 9 o'clock, now I can hit it flatter with the K90. However, after playing 2 sets, my shots are not consistent anymore.
 

Pushmaster

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I added 2 6 inch strips of lead tape at 12 o'clock when i used the 6.0 95 and found that set up perfect.

I know you have played extensively with both the 6.0 and the tour 90... how much less maneuverable was the tour 90 compared to your leaded 6.0s?

Also, my main concern is racket head speed on serves. For some reason i just could never get in a groove with the k90 on serves, it just felt off. Did you have a similar experience with the k90 or not really?

I am just asking, because i am thinking about picking up a pair of tour 90s, and want as much info as possible. Feel free to add anything else you think is relevant.
For me the Tour 90 is easier to generate racquet head speed on serves compared to the K90. I had trouble with the K90 too on serves and overheads, mainly on my timing, often hitting long because I was late. I prefer the balance of the Tour 90 because it's easier to come over the top of the ball with it, the K90 feels too head-heavy to me for some reason.

As you know I played with both the PS 6.0 85\95 for years, I never felt the need to lead up the 85, it's perfect stock IMO. The 95 was my doubles stick, I always added 4-6 grams of lead to the 3&9, plays flimsy without it. I just seem to do everything better with the 85 and T90, anything over 90 feels awkward to me these days. It's just easier for me to get the racquet head where I want it to be with a mid. So, to answer your question I find serving more efficient with the Tour 90 compared to the PS 6.0 95, lead or no lead.
 
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HeadPrestige

Professional
For me the Tour 90 is easier to generate racquet head speed on serves compared to the K90. I had trouble with the K90 too on serves and overheads, mainly on my timing, often hitting long because I was late. I prefer the balance of the Tour 90 because it's easier to come over the top of the ball with it, the K90 feels too head-heavy to me for some reason.

As you know I played with both the PS 6.0 85\95 for years, I never felt the need to lead up the 85, it's perfect stock IMO. The 95 was my doubles stick, I always added 4-6 grams of lead to the 3&9, plays flimsy without it. I just seem to do everything better with the 85 and T90, anything over 90 feels awkward to me these days. It's just easier for me to get the racquet head where I want it to be with a mid. So, to answer your question I find serving more efficient with the Tour 90 compared to the PS 6.0 95, lead or no lead.
Very interesting... you really are making me want to purchase a few. I have been happy with my 001s, but i just miss the thick feeling of the 6.0 line

I can get 2 for about 120 shipped.... should i bite the bullet?
 

HeadPrestige

Professional
I bit the bullet, and ordered 2

I will let you know my impressions once they are received....

I am really excited = )

I blame you if they suck pushmaster :p
 

Pushmaster

Hall of Fame
I bit the bullet, and ordered 2

I will let you know my impressions once they are received....

I am really excited = )

I blame you if they suck pushmaster :p
They don't suck, it's a great racquet. However, I think you should have picked up a used one first to find out if it's the right racquet for you. I would never recommend shelling out good money on a blind buy. $120 new is a great price, even if you don't like them you should be able to get back most of your money if you choose to sell them, so don't worry.

I know what you mean about "thick", the Tour 90 definitely has that in spades. I hope they work out for you, let us know.
 

HeadPrestige

Professional
Well my tour 90s came in today, and I had a two hour hitting session with them.... but I am currently undecided because I need to string it with my normal string set up.

What I can say though is that it DEFINITELY resembles the 6.0 95 more than the k90 did in terms of feel, and is also significantly more maneuverable than the k90.

It plays like a more stable, version of the 6.0 95 with a bit more heft and feel. Very tempted to make the switch.

I will post a more in depth review tomorrow.
 

Pushmaster

Hall of Fame
Well my tour 90s came in today, and I had a two hour hitting session with them.... but I am currently undecided because I need to string it with my normal string set up.

What I can say though is that it DEFINITELY resembles the 6.0 95 more than the k90 did in terms of feel, and is also significantly more maneuverable than the k90.

It plays like a more stable, version of the 6.0 95 with a bit more heft and feel. Very tempted to make the switch.

I will post a more in depth review tomorrow.
Did you get a chance to hit with the Tour 90 using your normal string set up yet? Look forward to your impressions.
 
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