PSA - cut out your poly before it goes dead, then you don’t have to blame your racquet or string for injuries!

Vey good point, but then is there ever a reason for non string breakers to have two rackets? Just in the rare case it breaks in a match? I can only think of having two tensions depending on balls/conditions, or stringing them both up for a tournament so you can have relatively fresh stringjobs for multiple matches.
To me, the best way to handle two racquets is to play with one until the string is dead, then switch to the other while the first is getting strung. It might take you a few days to get it to the stringer, and a few more to get it back. This way you can still play while it’s getting strung.

Then, continue playing with the second until it’s dead…wash, rinse, repeat.
 
1. I use HyperG Soft and though it won’t go dead before 12-15 hours for me (varies depending on mix of singles/doubles/drills), I do notice the difference when it is fresh below 5-7 hours and after. So, I play singles when it is fresh and then use it for doubles/drills after. That is one reason to have multiple racquets so that you can play fresher strings for the matches you consider more critical. I don’t change tensions for weather conditions anymore with poly as I don’t find much difference varying by 2-3 lbs and going higher than that impacts comfort too much for me. But if you are very tension sensitive, that might be a reason to have multiple racquets. I live close to the ocean where we have a marine layer of high humidity early in the morning and in the late evening when conditions are slower compared to playing in the heat of the mid-day - temperature also varies a lot between night and day as it is desert weather. So there are players who play with different tensions for the varying conditions.
2. With the same stringjob, I will feel wrist/arm discomfort within 20 hours (if it doesn’t break) playing mostly mid-high 4.5 men while my wife can play 10 more hours at least before she feels discomfort playing mostly 4.0 and low 4.5 women. So your GF might be able to get more hours with her strings if she plays less hard-hitting opponents. But poly will lose tension fast compared to other strings even if not used much and I would imagine the control and tension is less after 4-6 months even if not played much - so restring as often as your budget allows. Or get your GF to play more tennis! I would suggest changing her tension downwards by 4-5 lbs at a time and see if she likes it - if you go down drastically by 10 lbs in one stringjob, she might not like it. Generally stiffer strings seem more tension-sensitive to me in terms of how they play compared to softer polys.

Also you should never play with a stringjob if you are getting any soreness or pain - cut it out even before it happens.
You're the real Sensei and G.O.A.T
 
1. I use HyperG Soft and though it won’t go dead before 12-15 hours for me (varies depending on mix of singles/doubles/drills), I do notice the difference when it is fresh below 5-7 hours and after. So, I play singles when it is fresh and then use it for doubles/drills after. That is one reason to have multiple racquets so that you can play fresher strings for the matches you consider more critical. I don’t change tensions for weather conditions anymore with poly as I don’t find much difference varying by 2-3 lbs and going higher than that impacts comfort too much for me. But if you are very tension sensitive, that might be a reason to have multiple racquets. I live close to the ocean where we have a marine layer of high humidity early in the morning and in the late evening when conditions are slower compared to playing in the heat of the mid-day - temperature also varies a lot between night and day as it is desert weather. So there are players who play with different tensions for the varying conditions.
2. With the same stringjob, I will feel wrist/arm discomfort within 20 hours (if it doesn’t break) playing mostly mid-high 4.5 men while my wife can play 10 more hours at least before she feels discomfort playing mostly 4.0 and low 4.5 women. So your GF might be able to get more hours with her strings if she plays less hard-hitting opponents. But poly will lose tension fast compared to other strings even if not used much and I would imagine the control and tension is less after 4-6 months even if not played much - so restring as often as your budget allows. Or get your GF to play more tennis! I would suggest changing her tension downwards by 4-5 lbs at a time and see if she likes it - if you go down drastically by 10 lbs in one stringjob, she might not like it. Generally stiffer strings seem more tension-sensitive to me in terms of how they play compared to softer polys.

Also you should never play with a stringjob if you are getting any soreness or pain - cut it out even before it happens.
20h?!!
 
Would love to. Where can I get some. Fwiw I made some string once that was a kev/ steel mix.
i've used that combo (steel+kev), it was like board, which at the time was the nature of my game... eg. use incoming pace and just add a ton of topspin to prevent from going long... also had a hawaiian grip back in those days... it was harsh, but i didn't know what harsh meant, i was just trying to find a solution to rallying against big hitters (bigger than me anyway), and found that edge/kev blunted their pace better (but didn't realize that it also meant i was hitting short all the time)... but allowed me to rally "consistently" with better players than me (at that time i was a low4.0, rallying with high4.0 and low4.5 players)... looking back i was probably that guy that ran for everything, got alot of balls back, and put it in a spot (short), where they could work on crushing the ball (cheaper than the ball machine rental) :P

the combo did last forever though...
 
i've used that combo (steel+kev), it was like board, which at the time was the nature of my game... eg. use incoming pace and just add a ton of topspin to prevent from going long... also had a hawaiian grip back in those days... it was harsh, but i didn't know what harsh meant, i was just trying to find a solution to rallying against big hitters (bigger than me anyway), and found that edge/kev blunted their pace better (but didn't realize that it also meant i was hitting short all the time)... but allowed me to rally "consistently" with better players than me (at that time i was a low4.0, rallying with high4.0 and low4.5 players)... looking back i was probably that guy that ran for everything, got alot of balls back, and put it in a spot (short), where they could work on crushing the ball (cheaper than the ball machine rental) :p

the combo did last forever though...
Hawaiian? That takes talent. And steel/kev you are a brute. But the landing short? Thats why you need an 800g stick.
 
Hawaiian? That takes talent. And steel/kev you are a brute. But the landing short? Thats why you need an 800g stick.
if it get my racquet out in front of me at contact... which allows me to use my body weight transfer through contact, the ball will "feel" like it's being hit by a 150lb+ racquet (my 320g yonex percept is good enough at transferring my energy)

if i'm using an 800g stick & i'm late to contact (ie. can't get my body behind the ball), then and only then, maybe the 800g will be useful... but ideally i'm never doing this ;P
 
if it get my racquet out in front of me at contact... which allows me to use my body weight transfer through contact, the ball will "feel" like it's being hit by a 150lb+ racquet (my 320g yonex percept is good enough at transferring my energy)

if i'm using an 800g stick & i'm late to contact (ie. can't get my body behind the ball), then and only then, maybe the 800g will be useful... but ideally i'm never doing this ;P
Thats the reason light sticks tire me out.
 
if it get my racquet out in front of me at contact... which allows me to use my body weight transfer through contact, the ball will "feel" like it's being hit by a 150lb+ racquet (my 320g yonex percept is good enough at transferring my energy)

if i'm using an 800g stick & i'm late to contact (ie. can't get my body behind the ball), then and only then, maybe the 800g will be useful... but ideally i'm never doing this ;P
If a player loses weight, they can lose some weight on their racquet also as they will be in time for more balls!
 
Agree with most but not the need to rest until you don't feel ANY pain; I can play through mild pain and have it go away completely by using supports, icing and massage. Ive actually found with mild tennis elbow for example not playing has little benefit.
 
To me, the best way to handle two racquets is to play with one until the string is dead, then switch to the other while the first is getting strung. It might take you a few days to get it to the stringer, and a few more to get it back. This way you can still play while it’s getting strung.

Then, continue playing with the second until it’s dead…wash, rinse, repeat.
Good tip but no need for that as I string my own rackets. I will probaly be rotating them during the week.
 
Strung up a Blade V7 with Hyper G Soft three months ago but never hit with it.. Do strings go dead over time and with no use?
My experience has been that they do go dead with no play at some point as just being strung at tension affects poly resilience. You will have to play and see if they’re completely dead or playable for a few hours, but cut it out if you feel any pain/discomfort.
 
Internet research says yes. Poly dies regardless of playing with them. At least that's what the tennis spin guy says
He has done the experiment of leaving a racquet freshly strung for a year without playing it, used it the year later and he didn't feel the strings dead.

Poly strings lose elasticity from hitting with them and then they die. Without being used they will only lose tension which is a different concept from dead string.
 
Here's the thing...while I do cut my poly out after a certain amount of time (longer now that I'm using ReString Zero), there are many people I string for that play them until they break. And these are guys that play at a fairly high level (4.5-5.0, a few have won a 4.5 National Championship), using frames such as Pure Aeros and Ezone 100s.

I've been stringing for them for 5-10 years, and not one of them has had any arm-wrist injuries. Yes, I've mentioned to them they probably should restring them once the mains start moving around, but they just ignore me. And you know what? They hit the ball great until the end.

So...as general rule, yes, good advice. But clearly NOT required for all.
Yeah. I break alot of these rules and don’t break my elbow or wrist or shoulder.

And isn’t it for full poly mostly. Kev/ poly pretty much snaps back no matter how old things are.
 
I see a lot of players post that they got elbow/wrist/arm injuries and are debating whether to change their racquet - go lighter/heavier/more flexible etc. If they mention their string is poly, they get a litany of people saying they should not use poly. They rarely mention if they cut out their poly before it goes dead while I think playing with dead poly is a major cause for injuries. So, I wanted to post this Public Service Announcement (PSA) and am intentionally posting it in the racquet section as if you follow it, you won’t need to change your racquet.

PSA - Cut out your poly before it goes dead. Very few players are high level enough to break their poly before it goes dead and this includes 95% of rec players because stiff old-school poly goes dead in 5-10 hours and softer polys go dead in 10-25 hours (shorter duration the harder/heavier you hit or if you play only singles). If you play with dead poly, it WILL injure you and control will be erratic in addition to feel being ‘crappy’ so that it also compromises your performance - this is not the way to save money as medical/PT bills cost a lot.

How to know if your poly is dead? If you feel any tightness (even before pain) in your wrist/arm/elbow, the poly is dead. Cut it out before you develop any soreness/pain. If you play with the same string and tension, make sure you make a note of how many playing hours you played with it and cut it out in advance of that for future stringjobs. You should also be seeing erratic control and a worsening in feel, but this may be harder to spot if you are low-level or don’t play often - surest sign of dead poly is your body talking to you and telling you it feels tight or sore. This rule still applies in a hybrid stringjob as poly goes dead in hybrids also and you should cut it out if your wrist/arm feels tight even before you develop pain. If you get any pain, please ‘for the love of God’ cut out your strings and don’t try to coax a few more hours out of your stringjob. If you strung your poly many months ago and didn’t play with it much, be extra wary as poly can go dead quicker just from being under tension (strung in a racquet) for a long time - so you might feel tightness in your wrist/arm quicker and need to cut out an old stringjob sooner than normal. Don’t keep your backup racquet strung with poly in your bag without playing with it for many weeks and months as you are wasting the stringjob.

Other causes of injury:
  • Playing poly at high tension. Most polys (especially newer soft polys) play well at tensions in the low-mid-high forties (lbs) of tension and there is no reason to go higher. Most players below college level who play with higher tensions do so because they were used to stringing in the fifties with soft strings and think dropping 4-6 lbs is enough with poly. If you try lower tensions, you will see that comfort goes up a lot, control doesn't go down too much and you can play many hours longer with a poly stringjob before you feel discomfort. Be bold and try 40-44 lbs before you knock it or go back to higher tensions.
  • Racquets weighing below 10 ozs and above 12 ozs unstrung (as printed on the racquet) should be avoided as you have to be very small/weak or very big/strong to need racquets outside the weight range of 10-12 ozs to play well.
  • Racquets with RA stiffness above 70 unstrung or VF above 155Hz might be good to avoid if you have a history of injury. But if you string poly properly (low tension, cut it out before it goes dead), you might be fine anyway.
Some other points to reduce the risk of injury.
  • If you don’t hit too many winners on serves/groundstrokes and play (bunt) at a low level, you probably could play with soft strings and avoid poly as you have to hit hard to get the effects of increased spin/control. Please don’t play with poly because you don’t break it for a long time or because it doesn’t move when you play with it unlike soft strings - you should cut it out before you feel tightness/pain and then it doesn’t last long either. Play with poly only if you like the extra control and spin.
  • Try thin gauges of poly also as they have more comfort and power compared to thick gauges. Only high level players who break poly before it goes dead need to think about playing with 15g poly.
  • Change your tennis balls often and understand that if you play with low pressure balls for multiple matches or practices, this can contribute to injury. Serve practice with very old balls is bad for the shoulder.
  • If you are currently injured, rest long enough to not feel ANY pain before you start playing again. When you restart, you might not need to change your racquet or strings except possibly the gauge and tension as long as you follow the PSA.
  • Lastly, change your shoes often too if you are feeling knee/foot/calf pain or Achilles tightness that you did not feel when the shoes were new. These days, shoe soles last a long time and don’t wear out before the shoe support wears out. Also if you tighten your shoe laces too much to make old shoes that have loosened up ‘fit’ better, you run the risk of plantar fascitis injury. If your lower body is talking to you in the form of pain, listen to it and replace your shoes. If you get leg/knee pain just after you switched to a new shoe model, change back to a shoe model you are used to and see if the pain goes away. Some shoe designs (especially heel drop, arch support) might not be suitable for your feet. Also in some shoe models, you might need to size up half a size and wear thick socks to have a good fit.
Enjoy pain-free tennis by following the PSA. Then you can ignore the ’witch doctors’ who don’t follow the PSA and tell you to avoid heavy racquets, medium-stiff racquets, poly strings etc. that you like to play with. I‘ve played everyday for almost fifteen years with Babolat racquets/poly hybrids on hard courts in my forties/fifties (when I’m not traveling) without repetitive/overuse injuries by following my equipment guidelines although it took me a few years to figure out that some shoe models/old shoes can cause injury.

This message is not sponsored by your local orthopedic surgeon or physical therapist, but should be sponsored by your local stringer who hopefully strings for you more often.
Thought I would repost as it has been more than a year and I see new posters asking about racquets while ignoring strings. I also see posts about leg injuries including plantar issues.
 
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Thought I would repost as it has been more than a year and I see new posters asking about racquets while ignoring strings. I also see posts about leg injuries including plantar issues.
Good points, but you could also venture into FB multi strings, there is a lot to gain there even for high level players. Remember that even Djokovic and Thiem used to play FB Multi.
 
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Good points, but you could also venture into FB multi strings, there is a lot to gain there even for high level players. Remember that even Djokovic and Thiem used to play FB Multi.
I have never played with multi and am not knowledgeable about them. I played gut, fullbed poly or gut/poly hybrids only - most of my life, I played with fullbed gut before the poly era starting from the wood racquet days.
 
Good points, but you could also venture into FB multi strings, there is a lot to gain there even for high level players. Remember that even Djokovic and Thiem used to play FB Multi.
I agree.
On this forum, it seems like everyone plays with poly strings, while multi or synthetic strings are considered inferior. But multis definitely deserve more appreciation.

In the past, I often played with multi strings, such as Head RIP Control and TF MultiFeel.

Because multis sometimes provided too much power with certain rackets, I tried full-bed poly setups and hybrid multi/poly combinations.

While these offered slightly more control and possibly a bit of extra spin, I still preferred the feel, touch, and playability of multis. They only seemed to move a lot, until I discovered TF MultiFeel—my favorite multi string.

BTW Players like Jan Siemerink and Gilles Simon used to play with multi as well.
 
I agree.
On this forum, it seems like everyone plays with poly strings, while multi or synthetic strings are considered inferior. But multis definitely deserve more appreciation.

In the past, I often played with multi strings, such as Head RIP Control and TF MultiFeel.

Because multis sometimes provided too much power with certain rackets, I tried full-bed poly setups and hybrid multi/poly combinations.

While these offered slightly more control and possibly a bit of extra spin, I still preferred the feel, touch, and playability of multis. They only seemed to move a lot, until I discovered TF MultiFeel—my favorite multi string.

BTW Players like Jan Siemerink and Gilles Simon used to play with multi as well.

A favorite multi hybrid of mine is Rip Control mains with TF Multifeel black as cross. A little les power, more spin and great snapback than normal multi. Rip is low powered and muted and MF is crisp.
 
A favorite multi hybrid of mine is Rip Control mains with TF Multifeel black as cross. A little les power, more spin and great snapback than normal multi. Rip is low powered and muted and MF is crisp.
Interesting hybrid. Maybe I'll try that next time in my TC99. What tensions do you use with these multis? In your Prince ATS Tour 100P?
At the moment I have my racquets strung with WS Mosquito Bite 1.16 at 21/20 kg tension. What tension would you recommend with a Rip / MF hybrid?
 
I have never played with multi and am not knowledgeable about them. I played gut, fullbed poly or gut/poly hybrids only - most of my life, I played with fullbed gut before the poly era starting from the wood racquet days.
Curiously enough since I don’t often play natural gut, it’s been a few years, but how long does natural gut last before it needs to be cut out?
 
Interesting hybrid. Maybe I'll try that next time in my TC99. What tensions do you use with these multis? In your Prince ATS Tour 100P?
At the moment I have my racquets strung with WS Mosquito Bite 1.16 at 21/20 kg tension. What tension would you recommend with a Rip / MF hybrid?
I string Rip around 22kg and go lover to 20kg with MF black as cross, try it out I am curious to what you find. Its a cheap combo too :)
 
Curiously enough since I don’t often play natural gut, it’s been a few years, but how long does natural gut last before it needs to be cut out?

You don't need to cut out gut as it does not go dead like poly strings. Gut will fray, loose some tension, and strings will move around (FB) but playability is still excellent.
 
I have never played with multi and am not knowledgeable about them. I played gut, fullbed poly or gut/poly hybrids only - most of my life, I played with fullbed gut before the poly era starting from the wood racquet days.
Try a hybrid multi with Multifeel black in the crosses, you will experience almost poly like snapback but with more power and in an arm friendly package.
 
Curiously enough since I don’t often play natural gut, it’s been a few years, but how long does natural gut last before it needs to be cut out?
Gut breaks fast for most players. But if you are not the type to break it, you don’t have to cut it out and it is playable for a long time. However, if the tension drops a lot and you notice a difference in playability because of it, you might consider cutting it out.
 
It lasts a long time (at least for me) & doesn't need to be cut out!
Yeah I was thinking of hybriding it with a poly but there’s several poly’s I have on my list to try it with. And my thought was because it’s so expensive, and poly tends to die much faster, I could cut out only the poly crosses when it dies and leave the natural gut and just restring poly.
 
Is there any string you can confidently play until it breaks? I.e fully multi, syn gut, gut.
For most any poly/co-poly? Well, only if you're a hard-enough hitter that you break it before it dies. Otherwise, at some point, you're going to be playing with essentially a dead, boardy shock transmitter. If you do want to test the waters with a more conventional poly, I would only do so at the absolute lowest tension you can possibly get away with (like, in the upper-30's, or lower), where sheer slack and sagginess will at least partially offset at some of the poly death. Or, if you need to go higher in tension for whatever reason, then only do so with the absolute softest of partial-poly's, such as IsoSpeed Cream, which is ~50% rubber, so it won't completely plasticize as it ages out.
 
Is there any string you can confidently play until it breaks? I.e fully multi, syn gut, gut.
I echo what Trip said above! I would only add the string gauge as a factor. My son honed in on a poly that he likes, so we simply tried out varying gauges between 18/17/16 etc until we found the one that broke at the correct amount of hours played before it lost playability and caused him any discomfort.

A lot of this depends on how you swing/play. I know some players who will never break a string because they don't generate the swing speed/path to stress even the most fragile strings & some high level pros who can break the most durable of polys in 1 hit.

If you haven't tried hybrid string jobs they can also help limit any damage that 1/2 set of polys may cause your arm while you keep playing more hours. Good luck.
 
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Is there any string you can confidently play until it breaks? I.e fully multi, syn gut, gut.

Find a nice high quality multi....such as NXT Control. It'll lose some tension, but will remain playable and consistent up until it breaks. Same with the rest of the NXT line, and several other multis for that matter.

I'm not a string breaker and poly bag out / goes dead on me....so I cut and restring when I can tell it has lost the luster.

Most syn guts, I think, will remain playable until they break; but they won't give you the warning like a multi will. You'll see the multi get fuzzy before it goes.
 
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