PT57E vs. Prestige Youtek MP

[cork_screw]

Hey I was toying around with my PT630 and noticed how similar it was with my PYMP that came in the mail the other day. It seems statically a lot lighter, with the same headsize, dimensions. I hear that the PT57E is supposed to be like the PT630 with the exception that it's supposed to be statically lighter, more stiff and silicone injected in the handle. From what Head claims as well as other posters, the PYMP is supposed to play stiffer. So my question to all the PT57E users out there. Does the Prestige Youtek MP play similar to the PT57e because of it's similar specs and playing properties?

 

[dr325i]

The PT57A and Prestige MP (MG and YT) are almost identical mold, very small differences. The PT57E, on the other hand is a different mold.

ALL Pro sticks (TGK, PT...) come lighter than the Retail sticks (my PT57E hairpins were ~225g, the YT Prestige MP hairpin is ~250g). The PT630 is heavier than the PT57A (same mold). The iPrestige is Heavier than the PT57E.

Now, as for the stiffness -- one thing is the Stiffness rating, the other is the feel. I am not sure of the stiffness ratings of the Pro sticks, they vary. However, the feel (the way they "play") of the Pro stick cannot be compared to the retail. The materials are different, therefore, both PT57's give you a very soft feel on every ball touch, almost the same when you gently hit the ball with the Youtek Prestige, minus the vibrations. Simply said -- a unique feel. Yes, I found that the Youtek Prestige stiffens up on the harder ball contacts making it too stiff for my liking.

The PT57s also have more power, while the control is not compromised.

Now, if you look back to the PT630 for example, that would be the closest feel to the PT57s, however, the PT630 had a very noticeable flex in the head, the PT57s have softness to it, but no noticeable flex.

The sound on the ball contact is totally different between the Pro Stock and the Retail (same string setup).

Finally, the 57A vs. 57E -- supposedly, the 57A has lower flex rating. May be, I am not sure about it, however, the feel is very much similar -- soft. By no means the 57E is a "stiff" racket. But, they are different. I have them all matched, and they feel different, also, the PT57E has more power than the 57A.

Hope this answered your question.

 

[downs_chris]

Finally, the 57A vs. 57E -- supposedly, the 57A has lower flex rating. May be, I am not sure about it, however, the feel is very much similar -- soft. By no means the 57E is a "stiff" racket. But, they are different. I have them all matched, and they feel different, also, the PT57E has more power than the 57A.

yeah...i think the PT57A is around 59, and I want to say the PT57E is around 63 or 64 -- which is similar to the TGK238.4 (which i have coming to my house soon ) -- dr325i, do not ask me how much i paid for it....haha

 

[kevo82]

The PT57A and Prestige MP (MG and YT) are almost identical mold, very small differences. The PT57E, on the other hand is a different mold.

ALL Pro sticks (TGK, PT...) come lighter than the Retail sticks (my PT57E hairpins were ~225g, the YT Prestige MP hairpin is ~250g). The PT630 is heavier than the PT57A (same mold). The iPrestige is Heavier than the PT57E.

Now, as for the stiffness -- one thing is the Stiffness rating, the other is the feel. I am not sure of the stiffness ratings of the Pro sticks, they vary. However, the feel (the way they "play") of the Pro stick cannot be compared to the retail. The materials are different, therefore, both PT57's give you a very soft feel on every ball touch, almost the same when you gently hit the ball with the Youtek Prestige, minus the vibrations. Simply said -- a unique feel. Yes, I found that the Youtek Prestige stiffens up on the harder ball contacts making it too stiff for my liking.

The PT57s also have more power, while the control is not compromised.

Now, if you look back to the PT630 for example, that would be the closest feel to the PT57s, however, the PT630 had a very noticeable flex in the head, the PT57s have softness to it, but no noticeable flex.

The sound on the ball contact is totally different between the Pro Stock and the Retail (same string setup).

Finally, the 57A vs. 57E -- supposedly, the 57A has lower flex rating. May be, I am not sure about it, however, the feel is very much similar -- soft. By no means the 57E is a "stiff" racket. But, they are different. I have them all matched, and they feel different, also, the PT57E has more power than the 57A.

Hope this answered your question.

Yes, you're right, PT57E it's stiffer than PT57A.

About PT630, I played with this stick when I was 14 years old, and I didn't liked it. It was to flexible and heavy.

And now I play with Youtek Prestige Pro, and it's a big difference. Youtek Prestige Pro is very stiff and crisp and I like it very much.

I would like to know the feel of a PT57A, compared to Youtek Prestige Pro (not MP)

Did anybody seen a PT57A with Youtek Prestige paint job, for sale?
I wonder if they are already for sale, and how much a racquet would cost.

I changed the leather grip with a Karakal PU grip, because the leather one it was awful...it was so hard and rectangular, that I couldn't play with it.

Now it feels a more rounder grip, like Prince grips. Really, Youtek Prestige it's the first HEAD stick that I like.

 

[dr325i]

Yes, you're right, PT57A it's stiffer than PT57E.

About PT630, I played with this stick when I was 14 years old, and I didn't liked it. It was to flexible and heavy.

And now I play with Youtek Prestige Pro, and it's a big difference. Youtek Prestige Pro is very stiff and crisp and I like it very much.

I would like to know the feel of a PT57A, compared to Youtek Prestige Pro (not MP)

Did anybody seen a PT57A with Youtek Prestige paint job, for sale?
I wonder if they are already for sale, and how much a racquet would cost.

I changed the leather grip with a Karakal PU grip, because the leather one it was awful...it was so hard and rectangular, that I couldn't play with it.

Now it feels a more rounder grip, like Prince grips. Really, Youtek Prestige it's the first HEAD stick that I like.

I have not seen the YT PJ PT57s for sale yet, though, I have seen them at my local customizer. WHy would anyone pay extra (a LOT of extra) for the same racket, different PJ...

I have changed the pallets on ALL of my rackets to the TK82S (wilson-shaped), love them.

I have not tried the YT Prestige Pro, I don't like the open pattern rackets...

I would not say that the 57A is stiffer than the 57E, I don't think I claimed that or was that my intention.

To Chris' comment above, the PT57 flex varies depending on the layup for the certain player. That is WHY it is important to get multiple sticks from the same player, otherwise, it will be hard to match them (not only the flex, but everything else). One of my 57A that I had was 55 flex rating.

 

[cork_screw]

Hmmm... Thanks for the responses. I guess I was trying to get away from my PT630 as it's becoming too heavy of a frame to wield. The balance isn't to my liking and the flex is hard to control where I want the ball to go. So I thought I would give the youtek mp a try seeing as how it's supposed to be more stiffer and lighter which are the two complaints that I had with the pro tour 630/280. Personally, I feel that racquet is a little overrated. But then again I was always more of a Wilson guy than a Head player.

 

[kevo82]

I have not seen the YT PJ PT57s for sale yet, though, I have seen them at my local customizer. WHy would anyone pay extra (a LOT of extra) for the same racket, different PJ...

What do you mean "the same racquet"? PT57A and Youtek Prestige, are not the same racquets with different PJ. And I was asking about PT57A with Youtek Prestige PJ

I have changed the pallets on ALL of my rackets to the TK82S (wilson-shaped), love them.

Where did you bought them from, and how did you changed them? With glue? It's the same round shape as the Prince or Babolat?

To Chris' comment above, the PT57 flex varies depending on the layup for the certain player. That is WHY it is important to get multiple sticks from the same player, otherwise, it will be hard to match them (not only the flex, but everything else). One of my 57A that I had was 55 flex rating.

How do you match two racquets? Or you mean, to buy two that are already matched, and not with little differences of balance or weight. I mean, if you buy 2 sticks (the same) from TW and you don't buy them at the same time, it is a small possibility to be matched, right?

 

[BobFL]

What do you mean "the same racquet"? PT57A and Youtek Prestige, are not the same racquets with different PJ. And I was asking about PT57A with Youtek Prestige PJ



Where did you bought them from, and how did you changed them? With glue? It's the same round shape as the Prince or Babolat?



How do you match two racquets? Or you mean, to buy two that are already matched, and not with little differences of balance or weight. I mean, if you buy 2 sticks (the same) from TW and you don't buy them at the same time, it is a small possibility to be matched, right?

You did not understand what he said...
Dr was comparing PAINTJOBS and their market value. OK, let us just wait for our magnificent Dr325i

 

[pshulam]

yTGK238.4 (which i have coming to my house soon ) -- dr325i, do not ask me how much i paid for it....haha

Chris,

We all know that you are loaded.

 

[kevo82]

You did not understand what he said...
Dr was comparing PAINTJOBS and their market value. OK, let us just wait for our magnificent Dr325i

Oh, I understand. he was talking about PT57 with Youtek Prestige PJ and Microgel Prestige PJ

How much would cost the new PJ compared to the old one?

 

[dr325i]

What do you mean "the same racquet"? PT57A and Youtek Prestige, are not the same racquets with different PJ. And I was asking about PT57A with Youtek Prestige PJ



Where did you bought them from, and how did you changed them? With glue? It's the same round shape as the Prince or Babolat?



How do you match two racquets? Or you mean, to buy two that are already matched, and not with little differences of balance or weight. I mean, if you buy 2 sticks (the same) from TW and you don't buy them at the same time, it is a small possibility to be matched, right?

I was replying to your inquiry about the different PJ. WHy would anyone get (TODAY) a PT57A with the YT PJ when you can probably get the same thing with the MG PJ (or FXP...) for 1/2 the price. The racket below the PJ, PT57A, is pretty much the same. Pretty much because, again, these come customized for the players and are essentially never identical, therefore, I always suggest to get MATCHED ones.

I got the pallets from different sources, but generally, you can get them at the TW-Europe site. The shipping is expensive, I usually get it and split it with another (or a few) buyer, therefore, the shipping charge is acceptable. Also, when they came out with the pallets, they were 7 Euro per set, then they went to 8.40, now they are 10 Euro on the Europe site. I believe they are getting a lot of traffic/demand from the USA, therefore, they raised the prices.

It is fairly easy to replace the pallet (after the first try). The procedure has been discussed before. The original glue will remain on the racket and you can reuse it. I also use the 3M 444 double sided tape to re-inforce it.

Two ways to match the rackets (PT57's):
1) safest way is to get them matched (for the same Pro). Then, you can adjust them to your spec -- I pull out some silicone from the handle, add some lead, take out some lead, etc. In the end, my two PT57As are identical weighe, balance, and SW.

2) Somehow get the bare hairpins that have not be altered, but again, I believe this would require that those have been produced for the same player. I have obtained 2 of the Phillapousis' test PT57E sticks that did not even have pallets on them -- 244g hairpins, matched in the balance, weight. Then, I added the weight (silicone, lead), pallets, buttcaps, Head Calfskin, etc to bring it to my spec.

Since I will be relocating to Europe shortly, I am done experimenting, and done having fun with the different rackets -- I will just take with me what I have...

 

[bad_call]

kevo - have u tried the MG Prestige Pro? if so can post your comparisons between the YT and the MG?

 

[dr325i]

Oh, I understand. he was talking about PT57 with Youtek Prestige PJ and Microgel Prestige PJ

How much would cost the new PJ compared to the old one?

OK, we're on the same page now

I have seen a few PT57A sticks for sale here lately between $300 and $400 (used and new). But again, it is a catch 22 -- if you decide to play with these, you should get at least 2, matched ones. If you decide NOT to play with them, you spent a lot of money and would have to get rid of the two (or more)...

I have seen some ridiculous prices on the new PJs. Someone has listed a TGK238.4 on the E Bay for $699!!! The TGK238.1 (MG version, not only the PJ though) is selling in the low $200's.
I have not seen the PT57A with the YT PJ for sale...

 

[dr325i]

kevo - have u tried the MG Prestige Pro? if so can post your comparisons between the YT and the MG?

I know he's tried the TGK238.2

 

[bad_call]

I know he's tried the TGK238.2

my MG Prestige Pro has TK238A printed on it. is the TK238.2 the MG Prestige MP?

 

[kevo82]

I tried only Microgel Prestige MP, not the PRO. So, comparing Youtek Prestige PRO with MGP MP, I would say that Youtek Prestige Pro is way better (for me) than the Microgel Prestige MP.

With the MG it was so difficult to play topspin. Only hitting very early, on the rise, but otherwise the stick wasn't for me. Microgel was a little better when I was returning serves, and also the volleys.

But Youtek Prestige Pro is so good from the baseline and for serving hard or kick. And it really feels much more stiffer and I like that.

About the pallets, I guess that the rounder pallets TK82S, are the ones from Youtek Speed right? ( http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/descpageACHEADH-HYTSPAL.html )

Thanks for the answers

 

[downs_chris]

Chris,

We all know that you are loaded.

hahaha -- i just can't control myself when it comes to tennis equipment

 

[downs_chris]

I have seen some ridiculous prices on the new PJs. Someone has listed a TGK238.4 on the E Bay for $699!!!

yeah -- that guy sold it for $650!!! and apparently they are selling like hotcakes too...i might need to dump my 237.3 while it's hot haha...

 

[kevo82]

yeah -- that guy sold it for $650!!! and apparently they are selling like hotcakes too...i might need to dump my 237.3 while it's hot haha...

Don't change racquets too often... It could affect your game level

I switch very rarely if I stick to a racquet. From Dunlop, to PT630, to Dunlop again, to Prince (POG Triple Threat), to Prince again (Ozone Tour), and now to Head (Youtek Prestige Pro) again.

I change racquets only when my sticks are discontinued, or when I don't like very much the ones that I play with (Ozones Tour for instance)

Anyway, I love HEAD Youtek Prestige Pro
I love it more after I changed the leather grip with Karakal Pu

It's the first time when I say that I love a Head stick

 

[TennisPassion5]

Can anyone explain what the difference is in terms of performance when it comes to the Prestige pallets vs. the Speed pallets? Obviously, their shapes are different, but what difference do they make?

 

[dr325i]

Can anyone explain what the difference is in terms of performance when it comes to the Prestige pallets vs. the Speed pallets? Obviously, their shapes are different, but what difference do they make?

The traditional Head shape pallets are TK82 on the latest rackets. Supposedly, they are very similar to the previously used TK57 and TK76 pallets.
The TK82S is the wilson-shaped pallet used on the Speed line.

The difference is obvious, and you may have tough time adjusting to the Head shaped pallet coming off the Dunlop or Wilson line.

For me, the head-shaped pallet was forcing me to hit extreme forhands which I did not like. On the other hand, I spent too much time with the head-shaped pallet, so, it took me some time to re-adjust my BH and serve to the round (82S) pallet...

 

[dr325i]

yeah -- that guy sold it for $650!!! and apparently they are selling like hotcakes too...i might need to dump my 237.3 while it's hot haha...

THere are nuts people out there. I was critisized here for selling the PT57A for $375 (shipped, strung, TK82S pallets, new calfskins...) which is totally different racket than the TGK stuff...

I doubt they are "selling like hot cakes" and I would not take the advice (and get too excited) of that E Bay seller, as another member has experienced with his/her PT57E sale...

However, all you need is a single nut that will spend $650 on a racket that should be selling in a $250-300 range...

 

[jemsiter]

$650 for a TGK is absolutely nuts.
I will spend $280 max on any TGK... even with YT pj

 

[bdawg07]

The PT57s with YT PJ are selling for $650-$700 (New). They are available, but very hard to come by. The same sticks with the MG PJ are selling for $350-$400.

I believe downs_chris just picked up his YT PJ TGK for ~$450. Right now, the YT PJ pro sticks are very expensive because of the short supply--most going to the Head sponsored pros.

 

[dr325i]

The PT57s with YT PJ are selling for $650-$700 (New). They are available, but very hard to come by. The same sticks with the MG PJ are selling for $350-$400.

I believe downs_chris just picked up his YT PJ TGK for ~$450. Right now, the YT PJ pro sticks are very expensive because of the short supply--most going to the Head sponsored pros.

I have seen the YT PT57 sticks, but have not seen them for sale. The one on E Bay that claimed to be the PT57 was actually the TGK238.5. Sadly, someone got ***** on that one...

 

[bad_call]

I have seen the YT PT57 sticks, but have not seen them for sale. The one on E Bay that claimed to be the PT57 was actually the TGK238.5. Sadly, someone got ***** on that one...

how were you able to discern the difference? btw - i wasn't the buyer.

 

[BobFL]

how were you able to discern the difference? btw - i wasn't the buyer.

It was printed inside the throat

 

[bdawg07]

I have seen the YT PT57 sticks, but have not seen them for sale. The one on E Bay that claimed to be the PT57 was actually the TGK238.5. Sadly, someone got ***** on that one...

The seller on E Bay did not sell his TGK 238.5. The listing was removed because of all of the feedback and questions he received on the inaccuracy of his listing information. Do a simple search for the completed listing. It cannot be found.

I think anyone who is knowledgeable enough to know about pro sticks like the PT57A/E and TGK sticks would know the $650 is ridiculous.

 

[downs_chris]

The PT57s with YT PJ are selling for $650-$700 (New). They are available, but very hard to come by. The same sticks with the MG PJ are selling for $350-$400.

I believe downs_chris just picked up his YT PJ TGK for ~$450. Right now, the YT PJ pro sticks are very expensive because of the short supply--most going to the Head sponsored pros.

i've had 237.3...and a 238.4 is coming...

 

[ManuGinobili]

Right now, the YT PJ pro sticks are very expensive because of the short supply--most going to the Head sponsored pros.

A Head rep told me they ran out of silly putty...

 

[spoutnik]

Hey guys glad to hear that I'm not the only one who loves the Head pro stock frames.... I have one pt57a MG PJ and one in MG radical PJ (brand new, it was given to me by Sebastien Grosjean, amazing PJ), and 3 pt57a with liquidmetal PJ, 2 brand new, unplayed TGK238.1, really amazing frames, by far better that the retail versions.

I've played with the Prestige YT MP, and there is no way to compare it with pro stock frames.

BTW how much do you think I can sell my pt57a with MG radical PJ, the one given by Sebastien Grosjean himself?

 

[dr325i]

Hey guys glad to hear that I'm not the only one who loves the Head pro stock frames.... I have one pt57a MG PJ and one in MG radical PJ (brand new, it was given to me by Sebastien Grosjean, amazing PJ), and 3 pt57a with liquidmetal PJ, 2 brand new, unplayed TGK238.1, really amazing frames, by far better that the retail versions.

I've played with the Prestige YT MP, and there is no way to compare it with pro stock frames.

BTW how much do you think I can sell my pt57a with MG radical PJ, the one given by Sebastien Grosjean himself?

$400-450 is a realistic price...just like the Prestige PJ, new. The fact (or fiction) that it was given to you by Grosjean does not affect the price IMO.

I am sure you can find a nutcase willing to shell $800 for it

Anyway, looks like these sticks (PT57s) will become a piece of History soon, so, maybe you should keep them?

 

[BobFL]

Hey guys glad to hear that I'm not the only one who loves the Head pro stock frames.... I have one pt57a MG PJ and one in MG radical PJ (brand new, it was given to me by Sebastien Grosjean, amazing PJ), and 3 pt57a with liquidmetal PJ, 2 brand new, unplayed TGK238.1, really amazing frames, by far better that the retail versions.

I've played with the Prestige YT MP, and there is no way to compare it with pro stock frames.

BTW how much do you think I can sell my pt57a with MG radical PJ, the one given by Sebastien Grosjean himself?

So, they are all brand new/unplayed and yet they are far better then retail frames? Great story for "Unsolved mysteries"

 

[bad_call]

So, they are all brand new/unplayed and yet they are far better then retail frames? Great story for "Unsolved mysteries"

i didn't catch that...need another cup of coffee.

 

[spoutnik]

So, they are all brand new/unplayed and yet they are far better then retail frames? Great story for "Unsolved mysteries"

mmmhhhhh maybe you've some problems with reading, but I've never said that ALL my pt57a were brand new/unplayed... Anyways I just wanted to share to people my thoughts about these sticks, if it doesn't interest you, it's your problem,. Please don't be so offensive, and take your time to read carefully the posts.

And for that MG radical PJ, I don't know many pro players playing with this PJ (radical), Grosjean, Soderling (but he has a custom handle and CAP grommets, my frame has regular radical grommets).

 

[BobFL]

mmmhhhhh maybe you've some problems with reading, but I've never said that ALL my pt57a were brand new/unplayed... Anyways I just wanted to share to people my thoughts about these sticks, if it doesn't interest you, it's your problem,. Please don't be so offensive, and take your time to read carefully the posts.

And for that MG radical PJ, I don't know many pro players playing with this PJ (radical), Grosjean, Soderling (but he has a custom handle and CAP grommets, my frame has regular radical grommets).

Well, you said what you said. I have no problems with reading comprehension. It seems like that the sole purpose of your post is to share information that you have brand new pro stock frames. Qualitatively you added nothing to this thread but that is OK. You have only 3 posts and I am sure you will grow and become one great member.

 

[supineAnimation]

Don't change racquets too often... It could affect your game level

I switch very rarely if I stick to a racquet. From Dunlop, to PT630, to Dunlop again, to Prince (POG Triple Threat), to Prince again (Ozone Tour), and now to Head (Youtek Prestige Pro) again.

I change racquets only when my sticks are discontinued, or when I don't like very much the ones that I play with (Ozones Tour for instance)

Anyway, I love HEAD Youtek Prestige Pro
I love it more after I changed the leather grip with Karakal Pu

It's the first time when I say that I love a Head stick

I feel a similar level of ecstasy about my new YT Prestige Pros. I have been playing with Head for generations now (Prestige Tour, FXP (skipped MG as my FXPs were still fresh), and now the YouTek) but I like the YTPPs much more than the FXPs or the MGs I demoed. I liked Prestige Tours a lot, and I was very reluctant to let them go (still have a couple - the 660s - wonder if I should sell them?), but they were beyond dead. Didn't really like the FXPs I demoed that much, but I decided to get the FXP Teams and lead them up to match the specs of my Tours (about 7.5pts HL) because I liked the larger head size. They were OK, but never matched the performance of the Prestige Tour in my opinion. But these YTPPs are a fantastic combination of spin, power and control, and even the mild shortcomings I expected from the more open string pattern weren't evident. Great at the net, serve, unbelievable from the baseline. Not sure I buy into the d3o thing so much, but the stiffness does seem to change depending on how fast I swing. Anyway, enough genuflecting. But anyone considering trying out a new racquet these should definitely give this stick a try.

 

[PED]

Can anyone explain what the difference is in terms of performance when it comes to the Prestige pallets vs. the Speed pallets? Obviously, their shapes are different, but what difference do they make?

None, it's all personal preference.

 

[ae1222]

Anyway, looks like these sticks (PT57s) will become a piece of History soon, so, maybe you should keep them?

I asked my guy about this today and he hadn't heard anything about it yet, but he goes thru another guy to order frames straight from Austria. Hopefully he will get some confirmation of that when he talks to him. I am also hopeful he gets me my new PT57A's in the youtek pj I have been asking for, but we shall see.

 

[okdude1992]

The PT57A and Prestige MP (MG and YT) are almost identical mold, very small differences. The PT57E, on the other hand is a different mold.

ALL Pro sticks (TGK, PT...) come lighter than the Retail sticks (my PT57E hairpins were ~225g, the YT Prestige MP hairpin is ~250g). The PT630 is heavier than the PT57A (same mold). The iPrestige is Heavier than the PT57E.

Now, as for the stiffness -- one thing is the Stiffness rating, the other is the feel. I am not sure of the stiffness ratings of the Pro sticks, they vary. However, the feel (the way they "play") of the Pro stick cannot be compared to the retail. The materials are different, therefore, both PT57's give you a very soft feel on every ball touch, almost the same when you gently hit the ball with the Youtek Prestige, minus the vibrations. Simply said -- a unique feel. Yes, I found that the Youtek Prestige stiffens up on the harder ball contacts making it too stiff for my liking.

The PT57s also have more power, while the control is not compromised.

Now, if you look back to the PT630 for example, that would be the closest feel to the PT57s, however, the PT630 had a very noticeable flex in the head, the PT57s have softness to it, but no noticeable flex.

The sound on the ball contact is totally different between the Pro Stock and the Retail (same string setup).

Finally, the 57A vs. 57E -- supposedly, the 57A has lower flex rating. May be, I am not sure about it, however, the feel is very much similar -- soft. By no means the 57E is a "stiff" racket. But, they are different. I have them all matched, and they feel different, also, the PT57E has more power than the 57A.

Hope this answered your question.

could you elaborate on the differences in the mold of the PT57A, PT57E, and prestige mp youtek or microgel? also is the handle longer? it appears that way in the pic you posted in the mp racket thread

 

[dr325i]

could you elaborate on the differences in the mold of the PT57A, PT57E, and prestige mp youtek or microgel? also is the handle longer? it appears that way in the pic you posted in the mp racket thread

The PT57A and the MG/YT Prestige MP molds are very similar, the only obvious difference is the canal ending at the edges of the CAP. The PT57A is "longer" canal... Other than that, it is hard to spot the difference. The handle length is the same. However, the materials, layup, weight, balance, feel, sound, amount of vibration is totally different between all three...

The PT57E on the other hand is a different mold, the throat is an obvious difference, looks like the iPrestige MP throat. Again, the layup is different.

I have customized the PT57A and 57E to the same weight and SW. The 57E does not feel much (if any) stiffer, but feels different -- obviously a different flex point due to the layup. However, it does feel that the PT57E gives me more power.