PT630 Made in Austria sweet spot - can a frame go "bad"?

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I bought a PT630 Made in Austria used from **** back in 2023 Nov. I paid around 240 euros (260 USD) for it. It is obviously in used condition, the only flaw was the original buttcap missing. Otherwise looks-wise good
condition, with only some minor flaws on the frame here and there.
I strung this racquet up with a few string types, first with Poly Tour Pro at around 22.5 kg, then with some controlled MSV, then at 20kg with Wilson Sensation (it became too powerful with the Wilson).
I never felt the racquet to give me any sweetspot. None whatsoever. Then as last resort I strung it up with a hybrid, Babolat Xcel (multifilament) in the mains at 24kg and Head Hawk at 22kg in the crosses. It became somewhat a better experience but still it feels like a "broken racquet".
In the middle of course it feel better than on the "outskirts" of the bed but still not a clear sweetspot. Even just bouncing the ball on the racquet when standing, I try to hit the middle, yet never finding that clear sweetspot where all the vibrations cancel each other out.
Is there such a thing that an old/heavily used racquet goes bad with time and usage? Can a frame lose its properties? I mean it is difficult to believe that this would be that ultimate and much raved about PT57A experience. It feels like this frame lost all of its "energy", feels kind of "dead", not sure how to describe, like playing with some dead poly.
Like I said, no major visible flaws on the racquet.
For reference, I also own and use a 2019 Prestige Mid 360+ (my favourite racquet) which has a much cleaner, bigger and better sweetspot (even with the same string). I also have a 2021 Prestige Pro, that is not as nice as the Mid, but still much cleaner sweetspot and energy return than the PT630.
With PT630 I always feel some of those bad vibrations in the handle even when hitting dead center where the sweetspot should be. Feels like the sweetspot disappeared from this frame.
So, is there such a thing that a racquet "goes dead"?

Pictures of the racquet:
 
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Sounds like a fake or the racquet is in the rare condition of dead...no plush sweetspot and the Pro Tour is not possible.The missing cap sounds not good..
 
Sounds like a fake or the racquet is in the rare condition of dead...no plush sweetspot and the Pro Tour is not possible.The missing cap sounds not good..
FYI the original Pro Tour 630 with Star Trek font didn’t come with CAP System grommets.

I have no idea what’s going on with the racket unless I have a hit with it.
 
FYI the original Pro Tour 630 with Star Trek font didn’t come with CAP System grommets.

I have no idea what’s going on with the racket unless I have a hit with it.
Yes, mine does not have full cap grommets, as can be seen from the pictures. And yes, the original pt 630 does not have cap grommets.
Does the racquet from the linked pictures show any signs to be fake? I mean it looks like a very typical original pro tour 630. It has some minor cosmetic issues but the frame is intact. It clocks in at 349 gramms with strings and overgrip (dampener and lead(3g) discounted, with those it is at 354g).
Did people ever encounter fakes of pt630 here? Honestly I would be surprised if this was one.
 
FYI the original Pro Tour 630 with Star Trek font didn’t come with CAP System grommets.

I have no idea what’s going on with the racket unless I have a hit with it.
Btw, would the reissued Head Pro Tour 2.0 act as a good reference to see how the PT630 is supposed to feel like? In case I could get hold of one
 
Yes, mine does not have full cap grommets, as can be seen from the pictures. And yes, the original pt 630 does not have cap grommets.
Does the racquet from the linked pictures show any signs to be fake? I mean it looks like a very typical original pro tour 630. It has some minor cosmetic issues but the frame is intact. It clocks in at 349 gramms with strings and overgrip (dampener and lead(3g) discounted, with those it is at 354g).
Did people ever encounter fakes of pt630 here? Honestly I would be surprised if this was one.
If is not fake. There were no fakes. There was only one factory in the world that made Pro Tour 630.
Did you add the lead or did it come that way?
Maybe you just don’t like it? I don’t know what you’re experiencing unless I can have a hit with it.
 
The end cap is definitely an original.
Back then, Head only had logos that were glued on and faded quickly, some of which had this tilting effect.
Here is a small selection of them - some from the PT 630 as well.
And yes, you have to like the feel, this is not a frame for everyone.

 
The end cap is definitely an original.
Back then, Head only had logos that were glued on and faded quickly, some of which had this tilting effect.
Here is a small selection of them - some from the PT 630 as well.
And yes, you have to like the feel, this is not a frame for everyone.

Thanks a lot for confirming the butt cap being original. Honestly that was the only thing that seemed "unoriginal" to me on the racquet.
 
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If is not fake. There were no fakes. There was only one factory in the world that made Pro Tour 630.
Did you add the lead or did it come that way?
Maybe you just don’t like it? I don’t know what you’re experiencing unless I can have a hit with it.
I added the lead, I tried it for a while in original form and tried to "improve" on it, so added 3g lead to the head. Gave a bit more power and plowthough but the stringbed is the same.
I heard that after each restringing the frame gets a tiny bit flexier. A miniscule one. But over time it can add up. Not sure how significant it is, but with a frame like this, after 100s of restrings it might have gone too flexy? I don't know, maybe I just don't like its feel, maybe I just prefer medium stiff racquets after all my prestige Mid at 65 RA is my favourite.
 
I added the lead, I tried it for a while in original form and tried to "improve" on it, so added 3g lead to the head. Gave a bit more power and plowthough but the stringbed is the same.
I heard that after each restringing the frame gets a tiny bit flexier. A miniscule one. But over time it can add up. Not sure how significant it is, but with a frame like this, after 100s of restrings it might have gone too flexy? I don't know, maybe I just don't like its feel, maybe I just prefer medium stiff racquets after all my prestige Mid at 65 RA is my favourite.
No, that's definitely not true - I've had an RDC for a good 20 years and can check this - it's not like that.

You have to like RA 58, not everyone wants it
 
I added the lead, I tried it for a while in original form and tried to "improve" on it, so added 3g lead to the head. Gave a bit more power and plowthough but the stringbed is the same.
I heard that after each restringing the frame gets a tiny bit flexier. A miniscule one. But over time it can add up. Not sure how significant it is, but with a frame like this, after 100s of restrings it might have gone too flexy? I don't know, maybe I just don't like its feel, maybe I just prefer medium stiff racquets after all my prestige Mid at 65 RA is my favourite.
I just think you don’t like how it plays and what you heard isn’t true. These aren’t wooden rackets when that was true. You just like stiffer rackets.
 
Racquets absolutely lose stiffness and change feel over many years and thousands of hours of use. I have a couple old racquets (PT280 and K-Blade) that have this level of use, and many years later I acquired some new old stock versions of these same racquets and the difference is significant. The well used ones don't feel "broken" though, just not as stiff and solid feeling as when new.

If your only frame of reference is more modern racquets, I agree that you just might not be used to how flexy the 630 actually is.
 
I find that on the older originals the strings go dead on them quicker for some reason compared to the pt2.0. They feel fine and crisp for a few hours and then the strings and frame feel mushy and can’t play with it anymore unless I restring.
 
I just think you don’t like how it plays and what you heard isn’t true. These aren’t wooden rackets when that was true. You just like stiffer rackets.
Maybe you or someone here on this thread can advise me on this: Tomorrow I want to string my PT630 up with a hybrid, natural gut in the mains and some round poly in the crosses. What tension should I go with the natural gut in the mains and what tension for the poly in the crosses?
For reference I like the most my Prestige Mid 93sq at 22kg (49lbs) with poly tour pro 1.20.
I never played with natural gut, this would be my first time. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s I played with full bed of syn guts, not sure how similar it is.
Does 24kg(53lbs) for the nat gut and 22kg(49lbs) for the poly sound reasonable? Can the poly be less than 1.25, like 1.20 gauge? Does the thinner poly cut too much into and reduce the lifetime of the gut?
 
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Maybe you or someone here on this thread can advise me on this: Tomorrow I want to string my PT630 up with a hybrid, natural gut in the mains and some round poly in the crosses. What tension should I go with the natural gut in the mains and what tension for the poly in the crosses?
For reference I like the most my Prestige Mid 93sq at 22kg (49lbs) with poly tour pro 1.20.
I never played with natural gut, this would be my first time. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s I played with full bed of syn guts, not sure how similar it is.
Does 24kg(53lbs) for the nat gut and 22kg(49lbs) for the poly sound reasonable? Can the poly be less than 1.25, like 1.20 gauge? Does the thinner poly cut too much into and reduce the lifetime of the gut?
With gut/poly I string my 360+ mids at 24/23kg, the PT630 at 20/19kg.
 
With gut/poly I string my 360+ mids at 24/23kg, the PT630 at 20/19kg.
Wow, thanks, this is instructive since I also use the 360+ mid. 20/19 sounds like a rocket launcher but since the 360+ is 16×19 and 65 RA and the PT360 is 18x20 and much flexier it might just be right.
 
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Maybe you or someone here on this thread can advise me on this: Tomorrow I want to string my PT630 up with a hybrid, natural gut in the mains and some round poly in the crosses. What tension should I go with the natural gut in the mains and what tension for the poly in the crosses?
For reference I like the most my Prestige Mid 93sq at 22kg (49lbs) with poly tour pro 1.20.
I never played with natural gut, this would be my first time. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s I played with full bed of syn guts, not sure how similar it is.
Does 24kg(53lbs) for the nat gut and 22kg(49lbs) for the poly sound reasonable? Can the poly be less than 1.25, like 1.20 gauge? Does the thinner poly cut too much into and reduce the lifetime of the gut?
I string my gut at 25kg but I think you tension is reasonable. Natural gut will have more power and more spin than synthetic gut. Natural gut will also maintain its tension better than any synthetic gut or multi.
 
Sold my uncapped PT630 BITD and the buyer had the same experience. Sometimes Time Is Not On Our Side. Hope my Prestige mids do not suffer the same fate. Recall preparing to play an USTA league match and a teammate mentioned, "You gonna play with that racquet?" Run whatcha brung! Still own a half-dozen
 
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Btw, would the reissued Head Pro Tour 2.0 act as a good reference to see how the PT630 is supposed to feel like? In case I could get hold of one
You can try to find a Radical Bumblebee MP for reference. They’re a lot cheaper than the PT630 in the used market. They have a similar feel to me, slightly firmer, but same mold. I actually prefer the feel of the Radical. The ball comes off the strings more predictably, imo. It’s a hidden gem.
 
Sold my uncapped PT630 BITD and the buyer had the same experience. Sometimes Time Is Not On Our Side. Hope my Prestige mids do not suffer the same fate. Recall preparing to play an USTA league match and a teammate mentioned, "You gonna play with that racquet?" Run whatcha brung! Still own a half-dozen
When I play with my Prestige Mid 93sq, I get similar reactions. I always have to explain that it is not as difficult to hit with it as it looks. At least with the 360+ Mid I find it very easy to play with, quite a forgiving racquet.
 
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Wow, thanks, this is instructive since I also use the 360+ mid. 20/19 sounds like a rocket launcher but since the 360+ is 16×19 and 65 RA and the PT360 is 18x20 and much flexier it might just be right.
Yeah it's sounds very low with gut/poly but in low powered 18x20s, it's quite alright. If you plan to use 1.20 poly though, might wanna go up a kilo.
Also if you are worried about it being too launchy, go a bit higher, worst case you have to step on the string bed a bit ;)

When I play with my Prestige Mid 93sq, I get similar reactions. I always have to explain that it is not as difficult to hit with it as it looks. At least with the 360+ Mid I find it very easy to play with, quite a forgiving racquet.
The 360+ is miles easier to play than the original uncapped pt630, nice not-too-soft not-too-stiff layup and good stock specs.
 
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