PTPA defaming Sinner for political gain? Might there truly be a 'Djokovic plot'?

[Bartelby]

Trump is a fan of the cartel, which is why the tech industry backs him, whereas Djokovic is trying to tear a cartel down.

I've said it a million times, Djoko is Tennis Trump. He thrives on making messes and stoking conflict.

With his playing days winding down, he needs a new fight, new chaos.

 

[Rosstour]

Trump is a fan of the cartel, which is why the tech industry backs him, whereas Djokovic is trying to tear a cartel down.

Novak has considerable sway over the ATP as well through Gaudenzi. That's a cartel as well. I dislike the use of that word. Like "establishment" isn't a dirty enough word these days, you have to compare this to a drug cartel. This hyper-victimized speech has to stop. What's next, calling the ATP terrorists and peda-files?

 

[Bartelby]

Words are multi-layered and where they end up is far from their origin. This is a lawsuit so words are used in their exclusively legal meaning. Pejorative inferences should not be made.

Novak has considerable sway over the ATP as well through Gaudenzi. That's a cartel as well. I dislike the use of that word. Like "establishment" isn't a dirty enough word these days, you have to compare this to a drug cartel. This hyper-victimized speech has to stop. What's next, calling the ATP terrorists and peda-files?

 

[jeroenn]

I've said it a million times, Djoko is Tennis Trump. He thrives on making messes and stoking conflict.

With his playing days winding down, he needs a new fight, new chaos.

Yup. One major diff: Djokovic is actually good at something (tennis), while trump sucks at everything.

 

[intrepidish]

Yup. One major diff: Djokovic is actually good at something (tennis), while trump sucks at everything.

To be fair, Trump is actually very good at what one might call 'public relations' for a sizeable sector as hard as it is for those with functioning memories and access to a bit of the historical record to believe.

It is a skill of sorts and he's the only one from his political area to possess it to the degree he does.

 

[DSH]

The conflict of interest that exists in this association is something shameful.

PTPA is proving to be not an association that looks after the interests of the players represented as a whole, but an association that looks after the interests of Djokovic and his hypocritical vision.

I can't wait for the next challenge between Sinner and Djokovic, the watchword is to humiliate him without any mercy, and when they shake hands Sinner should whisper to him "old man, it's time to retire".

It is said that among the various requests PTPA has expressed the desire to have the next tournament in Rome played behind closed doors, in order to avoid the Djokovic-Kyrgios duo being greeted by a barrage of boos.

Let's remember that when Kyrgios made his participation in the last Australian Open official, he threatened Sinner with the intent of instigating the spectators if there was a challenge between the two.
Of course, these kinds of threats from a colleague to a colleague were deliberately ignored by PTPA.

Djokovic should take off his mask once and for all and show the world his true nature.

Sinner is going to give the almost 38-year-old tennis player some memorable beatings.
Hopefully they will meet in the Wimbledon quarterfinals so that the Italian can humiliate him with a score of 64, 62, 60.

 

[clayqueen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902452288989560937

 

[clayqueen]

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[Rosstour]

Djoko continuing to light bridges on fire. What a colossal clown

 

[Bartelby]

The Novak Derangement Syndrome is settling in for the duration of this issue. It's a valid lawsuit that should have happened long ago.

 

[intrepidish]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902452288989560937

It's absolutely scandalous that a lawsuit would be filed with 'supporting statements' from top players in the service of an agenda without those same players having been informed about anything at all.

While it's true that the division of profit in tennis is considerably meager for the players as a whole as compared to the tennis authorities themselves, this association and lawsuit are almost guaranteed to implode ignominiously.

 

[jeroenn]

It's absolutely scandalous that a lawsuit would be filed with 'supporting statements' from top players in the service of an agenda without those same players having been informed about anything at all.

While it's true that the division of profit in tennis is considerably meager for the players as a whole as compared to the tennis authorities themselves, this association and lawsuit are almost guaranteed to implode ignominiously.

It's a telling sign for the 'quality' of the lawfirm and their attention to detail. What a dumb move. Does not bode well.

 

[Bartelby]

So you concede the validity of the lawsuit, but reject it nevertheless. Do you think the tooth fairy will grant tennis players a fair deal?

It's absolutely scandalous that a lawsuit would be filed with 'supporting statements' from top players in the service of an agenda without those same players having been informed about anything at all.

While it's true that the division of profit in tennis is considerably meager for the players as a whole as compared to the tennis authorities themselves, this association and lawsuit are almost guaranteed to implode ignominiously.

 

[Rovesciarete]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902452288989560937

Sinneraz have won the last five slams and are the present and future of this sport. The all-compassing 'Professional Tennis Player Association' has not gotten the consent of one and defamed the other?

How many were informed about that document? How many members are there anyway? Seems like turning into a farce...

Djokovic maneuvers a merry band of not-so-much-players to do his plaintiffing while Ackman and the Saudis are funding the mess and pulling the strings. Transparent process indeed.

 

[intrepidish]

So you concede the validity of the lawsuit, but reject it nevertheless. Do you think the tooth fairy will grant tennis players a fair deal?

The lawsuit is shambolic on many grounds and I cited one for you: it's absolutely scandalous that a lawsuit would be filed with 'supporting statements' from top players in the service of an agenda without those same players having been informed about anything at all.

What I did state was that the division of profit is skewed in favor of the tennis authorities. This association and its lawsuit however are simply risible and risk setting back that cause decades.

 

[Rovesciarete]

The lawsuit is shambolic on many grounds and I cited one for you: it's absolutely scandalous that a lawsuit would be filed with 'supporting statements' from top players in the service of an agenda without those same players having been informed about anything at all.

What I did state was that the division of profit is skewed in favor of the tennis authorities. This association and its lawsuit however are simply risible and risk setting back that cause decades.

Well stated. Seems like a slash and burn job which might set a proper profit sharing back for a long time. Can't believe that enough players will leave for an alternative tour.

 

[octobrina10]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902452288989560937

Swiatek, Gauff and Alcaraz should sue the PTPA for using their names in the lawsuit.

 

[Bartelby]

This is a completely uninteresting point.You are not in a position to give advice to the PTPA. They have decided and I wish them success.

The lawsuit is shambolic on many grounds and I cited one for you: it's absolutely scandalous that a lawsuit would be filed with 'supporting statements' from top players in the service of an agenda without those same players having been informed about anything at all.

What I did state was that the division of profit is skewed in favor of the tennis authorities. This association and its lawsuit however are simply risible and risk setting back that cause decades.

 

[Bartelby]

Citing a name and using someone's name are two different things. The PTPA is not claiming that these names endorse their action.

Swiatek, Gauff and Alcaraz should sue the PTPA for using their names in the lawsuit.

 

[Bartelby]

My suspicion is that the KSA is funding this hugely expensive lawsuit with the view of creating some sort of alternative in a more competitive environment.

Well stated. Seems like a slash and burn job which might set a proper profit sharing back for a long time. Can't believe that enough players will leave for an alternative tour.

 

[SonnyT]

Djokovic has nothing to do with this! He doesn't play political games!

 

[Drighiz]

Gosh, what a ridiculous mess. What a patchwork of statements and accusations, only people of NK's level could endorse something like this. Embarrassing.

 

[messiahrobins]

I was the one who came up with the Djokovic Plot idea. I was called crazy at the time and still am by a few people, but enough are starting to see what I meant.

@messiahrobins

Maybe help me out, but i am sure Djokovic, Kyrgios and Popisil are three players that rightly or wrongly that have had suspicions levelled at them regarding missed doping tests?

 

[messiahrobins]

Kyrgios is a plaintiff and he will be called as a witness, so you've got that all wrong.

Sometimes i despair at the lack of legal knowledge lay people have

 

[Subway Tennis]

In the past we’ve had seismic moments of activism from the players, but it was always done at a grass roots level, at great personal sacrifice to the players with a clear vision in mind of what they wanted to achieve and how to make it happen.

This ground war that the PTPA is waging has absolutely no clarity whatsoever and is just getting messier and less focused by the day.

The ensnaring of Sinner with the (intentionally?) careless wording of the PTPA statements is a very ugly and regrettable thing, too, and kind of sums up the scorched earth approach of the PTPA’s disorganised form of activism and the collateral damage happening as a result.

 

[Bartelby]

The whole action is very simple. Tennis is structuring a market in ways that prevent competition. I think they're either legally right or, at least, morally right.

In the past we’ve had seismic moments of activism from the players, but it was always done at a grass roots level, at great personal sacrifice to the players with a clear vision in mind of what they wanted to achieve and how to make it happen.

This ground war that the PTPA is waging has absolutely no clarity whatsoever and is just getting messier and less focused by the day.

The ensnaring of Sinner with the (intentionally?) careless wording of the PTPA statements is a very ugly and regrettable thing, too, and kind of sums up the scorched earth approach of the PTPA’s disorganised form of activism and the collateral damage happening as a result.

 

[messiahrobins]

In the past we’ve had seismic moments of activism from the players, but it was always done at a grass roots level, at great personal sacrifice to the players with a clear vision in mind of what they wanted to achieve and how to make it happen.

This ground war that the PTPA is waging has absolutely no clarity whatsoever and is just getting messier and less focused by the day.

The ensnaring of Sinner with the (intentionally?) careless wording of the PTPA statements is a very ugly and regrettable thing, too, and kind of sums up the scorched earth approach of the PTPA’s disorganised form of activism and the collateral damage happening as a result.

It reeks of desperation and Djokovic and Kyrgios being as unpopular as they are with fans in general are hardly going to find the world of tennis fans backs what they are doing. I really dont know what they are thinking as its going to end really badly for them.

 

[messiahrobins]

Dunderhead. Tell us exactly how Kyrgios' earnings were restricted by the ATP’s alleged “cartel”. Exactly which events was Kyrgios restricted from playing?
You can't do it. And that is why this case will be laughed out of court. It won't even be heard.



Kyrgios, one of the 12 named plaintiffs, has racked up over $12 million in official ATP prize money by early 2025.

He’s not exactly scraping by.

Kyrgios thrives in the current system when he plays. His big paydays—like $1.1 million from that Wimbledon run—come from Grand Slams, which aren’t direct defendants (just “co-conspirators” in the suit), so tying their payouts to ATP control is a stretch.

He’s also skipped tons of mandatory events (e.g., Masters 1000s), racking up fines but not exactly proving he’s chained to a low-earning grind—his 2022 season had him at $2 million-plus despite a light schedule. The ATP could argue he’s had freedom to earn, and his bank account backs that up. If anything, his fines (over $500K lifetime) might be his beef, but that’s more about his behavior than systemic wage suppression.

The PTPA might counter that Kyrgios could’ve earned more without the ATP’s rules—like if he could’ve joined rival leagues or negotiated better sponsorships free of Tour conflicts. The lawsuit hints at this, claiming players are “bullied” into compliance and locked out of alternative markets. But Kyrgios would need hard data: specific gigs he lost, deals he couldn’t sign, or prize money he missed due to ATP policies. Without that, it’s speculative, and courts hate “what if” arguments in antitrust cases.

Bet you they discontinue the claim. Solicitors who took this on could find themselves in a bit of bother. New rules now that prevent solicitors issuing claims that are obviously without merit, the idea being to stop the very rich issuing claims against those less well off even if the claim has no merit just to bully the defendants into paying up.

 

[messiahrobins]

The whole action is very simple. Tennis is structuring a market in ways that prevent competition. I think they're either legally right or, at least, morally right.

Courts of law dont take submissions on morality.
If it is a claim based on EU law regarding competition, then the claim is flawed from the get go as some countries where the claim has been issued are not even part of the EU.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Most of the important evidence will be given by those way above Kyrgios' pay grade. He can provide a few bravura touches at best.

You said that Kyrgios would not be called to the stand. He will most definitely be called. Most likely by the defense as he is the poster child for coddled obscenely overpaid players and makes a mockery of the plaintiff's claim that his earnings are being restricted by the evil wicked ATP cartel.

 

[Bartelby]

I neither stated nor implied that law courts dealt with morality.

Courts of law dont take submissions on morality.
If it is a claim based on EU law regarding competition, then the claim is flawed from the get go as some countries where the claim has been issued are not even part of the EU.

 

[Bartelby]

Come back to me when it actually gets to court!

You said that Kyrgios would not be called to the stand. He will most definitely be called. Most likely by the defense as he is the poster child for coddled obscenely overpaid players and makes a mockery of the plaintiff's claim that his earnings are being restricted by the ATP cartel.

 

[Bartelby]

This point is completely bizarre. Both parties have deep pockets.

Bet you they discontinue the claim. Solicitors who took this on could find themselves in a bit of bother. New rules now that prevent solicitors issuing claims that are obviously without merit, the idea being to stop the very rich issuing claims against those less well off even if the claim has no merit just to bully the defendants into paying up.

 

[Subway Tennis]

It reeks of desperation and Djokovic and Kyrgios being as unpopular as they are with fans in general are hardly going to find the world of tennis fans backs what they are doing. I really dont know what they are thinking as its going to end really badly for them.

Do you think it will have bad consequences for Djokovic, or will it be like most of the PTPA’s gambits where it just loses momentum and disappears? Im honestly not sure, but I bet Sinner and co would prefer to not be getting dragged into it.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

These spoiled malcontent players may have differences with the ATP but 'cartel' is slanderous.

Perhaps the best known cartels in the world are not trading in a legal business but with a product which is prohibited almost anywhere in the world: the Medellin cartel and, more recently, the Mexican drugs cartels.

What makes drugs cartels particularly evil and dangerous is that they do not only fix production quotas and raise prices, in collusion, but also because people die as a result of their activities.

Origin

 

[Rosstour]

In the past we’ve had seismic moments of activism from the players, but it was always done at a grass roots level, at great personal sacrifice to the players with a clear vision in mind of what they wanted to achieve and how to make it happen.

This ground war that the PTPA is waging has absolutely no clarity whatsoever and is just getting messier and less focused by the day.

The ensnaring of Sinner with the (intentionally?) careless wording of the PTPA statements is a very ugly and regrettable thing, too, and kind of sums up the scorched earth approach of the PTPA’s disorganised form of activism and the collateral damage happening as a result.

It's not activism. It's a power trip by Djoko and it has ensnared Sinner by design. Djoko needs to do this now bc he can't dominate on court anymore. So he has to drag his main "rivals" down with him rather than passing the torch like a gentleman

He is Tennis Trump

 

[Bartelby]

I would have thought that guy likes a cartel. His tech bros certainly do. Djokovic wants to see competition blossom, not stifled.

It's not activism. It's a power trip by Djoko and it has ensnared Sinner by design. Djoko needs to do this now bc he can't dominate on court anymore. So he has to drag his main "rivals" down with him rather than passing the torch like a gentleman

He is Tennis Trump

 

[Rosstour]

I would have thought that guy likes a cartel. His tech bros certainly do. Djokovic wants to see competition blossom, not stifled.

Based on?

Both men base their appeals on being outsiders. When they are anything but

 

[Bartelby]

That's an insufficient ground for a comparison.

Based on?

Both men base their appeals on being outsiders. When they are anything but

 

[Rosstour]

That's an insufficient ground for a comparison.

We can do Eastern Euro criminal connections if you want

 

[mtommer]

The PTPA is corrupt.

Fixed it for you.....

 

[TennisBro]

Djokovic is not even at the end of his tether, he is directly at the after-dinner drink.

The hypocrisy of this man is pouring out of every pore.

If I were directly the various entities accused by PTPA I would automatically assign him the 25th slam so he would stop whining in the hope of being able to beg for it.

But then the fact that among the promoters of this initiative there is a psychopath like Kyrgios, the thing makes you lose any kind of credibility.

Here we go again attacking the great player and it has to come from the ironic poster's name

This has always been the problem with Novak surrounding himself with family members, yes men, and conspiracy theorists.

You might not expect this from a Fed fan but some of his grievances (especially around Brand Fedal) aren't entirely wrong.

But he has no ability to see how things look to the wider world. He probably would never have got banned from Australia if he'd just kept his trap shut about the "special exemption". And even if there is a case around lower ranked players being treated more harshly than Sinner in doping cases he (or his proxies) just aren't the people to be making that case.

And there's no shortage of sidekicks on the board that amplify the mockery.

Novak Djokovic has often differed from the main stream western views, especially when it's come to equal gender pay, rights of players to choose whether vaccinate or not, or antidoping issues. This has rattled cages of some supreme leaders in tennis too.

The issue may as well be about political correctness but just Djoker's plot. The convential approach, the "normalcy" established by the developed world and their sports orgs is being shaken by a lot more than the Serb. If it's Saudis, it's more ok for the money but if .............

 

[Bartelby]

That Hunter guy had those too, so not original.

We can do Eastern Euro criminal connections if you want

 

[Bartelby]

Novak is quirky and a bit of a rebel. Tennis is one of the last sports to modernise. Novak is giving it a swift kick with this lawsuit.

Here we go again attacking the great player and it has to come from the ironic poster's name

And there's no shortage of sidekicks on the board that amplify the mockery.

Novak Djokovic has often differed from the main stream western views, especially when it's come to equal gender pay, rights of players to choose whether vaccinate or not, or antidoping issues. This has rattled cages of some supreme leaders in tennis too.

The issue may as well be about political correctness but just Djoker's plot. The convential approach, the "normalcy" established by the developed world and their sports orgs is being shaken by a lot more than the Serb. If it's Saudis, it's more ok for the money but if .............

 

[vokazu]

Djokovic is not even at the end of his tether, he is directly at the after-dinner drink.

The hypocrisy of this man is pouring out of every pore.

If I were directly the various entities accused by PTPA I would automatically assign him the 25th slam so he would stop whining in the hope of being able to beg for it.

But then the fact that among the promoters of this initiative there is a psychopath like Kyrgios, the thing makes you lose any kind of credibility.

Kyrgios is not as psychopathic as your post.

 

[vokazu]

I've said it a million times, Djoko is Tennis Trump. He thrives on making messes and stoking conflict.

With his playing days winding down, he needs a new fight, new chaos.

So are you siding with the corrupt ITIA and ATP?

 

[vokazu]

Djoko continuing to light bridges on fire. What a colossal clown

Clowns are the one who let a doper play Masters tournaments and Slams right after tested positive twice for a doping substance.

 

[tennis_error]

Swiatek, Gauff and Alcaraz should sue the PTPA for using their names in the lawsuit.

How? PTPA quoted them wrongly? Off course those players can always say they lied on camera or were joking, and keep great Fedal sucking on establishment tradition, lol.

In general tennis players are such cowards... They practically all think the same as PTPA is claiming in lawsuit, but are too afraid to lose crumbs ATP and WTA is giving to then. Pathetic it is.

 

[jackson vile]

Yes

 

[Lauren_Girl']

There are more than 30 (and more will join) ATP or WTA players associated to this PTPA. Let's not put everything on Djokovic (or 1 player in particular). Their opinions are shared by millions of people. Most of the content of this complaint is accurate, though. Some points (especially the balls and the calendar) are hard to argue.