PTPA defaming Sinner for political gain? Might there truly be a 'Djokovic plot'?

Subway Tennis said:
The ensnaring of Sinner with the (intentionally?) careless wording of the PTPA statements is a very ugly and regrettable thing, too, and kind of sums up the scorched earth approach of the PTPA’s disorganised form of activism and the collateral damage happening as a result.
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Thinking about the timing it even gets worst. Right now Sinner is forcibly absent and unable to effectively communicate with fellow players. Exactly in this moment his case is distorted in a legal filing by the ‘Player Association’ to make the case against the ITIA seem stronger.*

Much easier to talk **** when the other guy isn’t there and can’t easily defend itself, almost as if the PTPA is a club of mean gossip girls. In addidition its president and co-founder is desperate to secure another victory in which said victim is the biggest hurdle.

That filing looks like a very nasty piece of work.
 
vokazu said:
Kyrgios is not as psychopathic as your post.
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Bla bla bla bla, you're just talk and badge.
Obviously for you Kyrgios is not a psychopath simply because you ideally apply his stalking of Sinner in this forum, where in each of your posts you report the same concepts of that Australian psychopath.

TennisBro said:
Here we go again attacking the great player and it has to come from the ironic poster's name
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Here we are again, defending the hypocritical Djokovic, and it can only come from someone who also has a hypocritical vision of tennis.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Here we are again, defending the hypocritical Djokovic, and it can only come from someone who also has a hypocritical vision of tennis.
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I would say "defending" but making observations. Then, you are the one on the attack firstly. So much for "hypocritical vision".

This may be more about tennis and its players than one tennis player. Most current pro players more likely are under their agreements with sponsors and who knows who else which is why they are concerned about making statements and/or engaging in litigations. It's tough to be on tour, if you can imagine that.
 
TennisBro said:
I would say "defending" but making observations. Then, you are the one on the attack firstly. So much for "hypocritical vision".

This may be more about tennis and its players than one tennis player. Most current pro players more likely are under their agreements with sponsors and who knows who else which is why they are concerned about making statements and/or engaging in litigations. It's tough to be on tour, if you can imagine that.
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But have you read what the thread is about?
Here we are not discussing the various points listed by PTPA but a specific point, namely the treatment of the Sinner case.
So spare me these (hypocritical) speeches about not understanding some of the problems of those who experience the tour.
 
Winner Sinner said:
But have you read what the thread is about?
Here we are not discussing the various points listed by PTPA but a specific point, namely the treatment of the Sinner case.
So spare me these (hypocritical) speeches about not understanding some of the problems of those who experience the tour.
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Oh "speeches". Debate what you wish. You've got your "specific point" and agenda. Keep your office hours up.
 
Rovesciarete said:
Good take and I wrote about the interesting bits. I knew about the low revenue share of the player however a lot of the tournament stuff was intriguing. What I miss is a clear vision how to get that greater share and a logical plan on how to distribute it more equally. A lot of the text reads like written by a whiny teenager using AI and Thesaurus.



Fascinating how strong the defense is for others, PTPA = Particular Tennis Players Association
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Interview w whom? Can you post link? Thanks.
 
TennisBro said:
Oh "speeches". Debate what you wish. You've got your "specific point" and agenda. Keep your office hours up.
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It's not my fault that Djokovic has revealed his true nature.
Acknowledge that and move on, no one is perfect, not even him.
His hypocrisy is directly proportional to his tennis prowess.
Setting yourself up as a defense attorney for lost causes will not change that fact.
 
From Wikipedia (I can trust them on something like this).

The Professional Tennis Players Association (PTPA) is an association of male and female tennis players founded by the players Vasek Pospisil and Novak Djokovic. The group represents singles players in the top 500 and doubles players in the top 200 of the ATP rankings and WTA rankings.

Leadership and Player Executive Committee​

In August 2022, the PTPA announced former CEO of OneTeam Partners, Ahmad Nassar, as its Executive Director.

In January 2023, the following players were announced to be part of the association's inaugural Player Executive Committee:

  • Paula Badosa (Spain), winner of 3 WTA titles and No. 2 ranked player in singles
  • Novak Djokovic (Serbia), winner of 24 major titles and No. 1 ranked player in singles
  • Hubert Hurkacz (Poland), winner of 5 ATP titles and No. 9 ranked player in singles
  • John Isner (USA), winner of 16 ATP titles and No. 8 ranked player in singles
  • Ons Jabeur (Tunisia), winner of 3 WTA singles titles and No. 2 ranked player
  • Bethanie Mattek-Sands (USA), winner of 9 major titles and No. 1 ranked player in doubles
  • Vasek Pospisil (Canada), winner of 1 major title and No. 4 ranked player in doubles
  • Zheng Saisai (China), winner of 1 WTA title and No. 34 ranked player in singles
 
To add the conspiracy theories suggesting Djokovic is running a vendetta against Sinner is tin foil hat territory. This theory that Djokovic is trying to destroy Sinner by the legal process so Djokovic can win slams makes me laugh, Djokovic can't even beat players outside the Top 100 currently.

I think some people need to stop watching Alex Jones and Flat Earth videos.
 
Bartelby said:
The Premier Tour as mooted by Tiley is the goal, not the taking-down of a doper.
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Wrong. The PTPA would have concerns about a Grand Slam-led "premier tour." Here are some reasons why:
  • Potential Impact on Player Representation: A Grand Slam-led tour could potentially weaken the ATP and WTA, which might reduce the collective bargaining power of players. The PTPA might worry about losing influence in negotiations over player rights and benefits.
  • Guaranteed Money vs. Opportunity: While guaranteed salaries might appeal to some top players, many others rely on playing multiple tournaments to earn a living. A super-tour with limited spots could restrict those opportunities, which might not be in the best interest of all players.
  • Need for Player Consultation: The PTPA would likely want to ensure that any changes are made with significant input from players. This includes considering the needs and interests of players across all levels, not just those at the top.
 
This is one possible format, but others are possible. Grand Slam levels of inclusivity are far better than the ATP/WTA.

Turn off your AI, please!

Better_Call_Raul said:


Wrong. The PTPA would have concerns about a Grand Slam-led "premier tour." Here are some reasons why:
  • Potential Impact on Player Representation: A Grand Slam-led tour could potentially weaken the ATP and WTA, which might reduce the collective bargaining power of players. The PTPA might worry about losing influence in negotiations over player rights and benefits.
  • Guaranteed Money vs. Opportunity: While guaranteed salaries might appeal to some top players, many others rely on playing multiple tournaments to earn a living. A super-tour with limited spots could restrict those opportunities, which might not be in the best interest of all players.
  • Need for Player Consultation: The PTPA would likely want to ensure that any changes are made with significant input from players. This includes considering the needs and interests of players across all levels, not just those at the top.
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Bartelby said:
This is one possible format, but others are possible. Grand Slam levels of inclusivity are far better than the ATP/WTA.

Turn off your AI, please!
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You are the one who brought up the Tiley proposal. That is the exact format proposed by your favourite Tiley.
There is no way the PTPA would be on board with Tiley's format or any variant thereof. PTPA does not want Grand Slam involvement.
And indeed the Grand Slams are implicitly bashed in the PTPA lawsuit against the ATP cartel.
Get your facts straight please!

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Subway Tennis said:
Do you think it will have bad consequences for Djokovic, or will it be like most of the PTPA’s gambits where it just loses momentum and disappears? Im honestly not sure, but I bet Sinner and co would prefer to not be getting dragged into it.
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Its a disaster for Djokovic. The PTPA is seen as his baby. There has long been suggestions that Kyrgios was Djokovics sort of Comical Ali type figure with his attacks on sinner as @Rosstour alluded to months ago. Now Kyrgios shows up as a claimant.
The reality is, and Djokovic needs to accept this reality, is that Federer and Nadal are far bigger and more powerful figures in tennis. Unless this PTPA venture is backed by Fedal it wont go anywhere and Djokovic, as the high profile face of it will be severely damaged reputationally.
It will be interesting to see the crowd reaction to him tomorrow.
Djokovic is well intentioned no questioned and a lot of his issues have merit, indeed Nadal raised many of them 15 years ago. The problem is the way Novak goes about things is always misguided and knee jerk. The PTPA will disappear within 18 months if not sooner.
 
Zardoz7/12 said:
To add the conspiracy theories suggesting Djokovic is running a vendetta against Sinner is tin foil hat territory. This theory that Djokovic is trying to destroy Sinner by the legal process so Djokovic can win slams makes me laugh, Djokovic can't even beat players outside the Top 100 currently.

I think some people need to stop watching Alex Jones and Flat Earth videos.
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It's just two/three members who are maligning Djokovic constantly. Even when majority of us are angry the treatment sinner got feeling very unfair to the rest of the tour.
 
It’s the length that’s crazy to me. 3 months LOL. Sinner doesn’t even miss a slam. And actually he’s better off cause he’s well rested while everyone else is running themselves into the ground. One warmup for RG and he’s set

Sinner may be the calendar slam favorite this year. Or at the very least 3 slam wins and djoker sneaks the fourth. That’s not a “ban” that’s a vacation to give the guy time to heal up, rest and potentially do what Laver did
 
nolefam_2024 said:

It's just two/three members who are maligning Djokovic constantly. Even when majority of us are angry the treatment sinner got feeling very unfair to the rest of the tour.
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You who like to make predictions (never mind that the ones you make never materialize), in your opinion the next time Sinner and Djokovic face each other, will the Serbian manage to get at least a single break point, or do you think he is destined to extend his negative streak?
 
Rovesciarete said:
Thinking about the timing it even gets worst. Right now Sinner is forcibly absent and unable to effectively communicate with fellow players. Exactly in this moment his case is distorted in a legal filing by the ‘Player Association’ to make the case against the ITIA seem stronger.*

Much easier to talk **** when the other guy isn’t there and can’t easily defend itself, almost as if the PTPA is a club of mean gossip girls. In addidition its president and co-founder is desperate to secure another victory in which said victim is the biggest hurdle.

That filing looks like a very nasty piece of work.
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Agree. The whole thing is very regrettable. I think this unfortunately provides more foundation for people who have suspected that there is some pretty serious antagonism being directed at Sinner from the Djokovic’s camp off-court rather than on-court where it should be.
 
nolefam_2024 said:

It's just two/three members who are maligning Djokovic constantly. Even when majority of us are angry the treatment sinner got feeling very unfair to the rest of the tour.
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Ever since I came up with my theory, every development has just made it more and more plausible. This does the same.
 
The whole transfer market in football changed in Europe changed because one player took a stand. Some can't understand courage!
 
Bartelby said:
WADA committing a "procedural fraud": why would this not surprise?
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You are trying to misinform readers. Valieva’s attorneys accuse WADA, but the article says:

¤¤ WADA spokesman James Fitzgerald said “any allegation of wrongdoing on WADA’s part is completely rejected” and that the agency would “vigorously defend its position in this matter.”
“The report was not helpful to Ms. Valieva’s case and, anyway, would have had no impact on the result as the Court of Arbitration for Sport Panel ultimately rejected the athlete’s strawberry dessert explanation, not based on the scientific plausibility but rather because it was not supported by sufficient factual evidence” Fitzgerald said. ¤¤
 
You are the one misinforming readers by endorsing the WADA position, whereas I left the matter undecided ... as it is currently under renewed litigation.

I would also thank you not to reply to my posts. I'm not interested in replying your nonsense.

octobrina10 said:
You are trying to misinform readers. Valieva’s attorneys accuse WADA, but the article says:

¤¤ WADA spokesman James Fitzgerald said “any allegation of wrongdoing on WADA’s part is completely rejected” and that the agency would “vigorously defend its position in this matter.”
“The report was not helpful to Ms. Valieva’s case and, anyway, would have had no impact on the result as the Court of Arbitration for Sport Panel ultimately rejected the athlete’s strawberry dessert explanation, not based on the scientific plausibility but rather because it was not supported by sufficient factual evidence” Fitzgerald said. ¤¤
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There were contradictions within Sinner's inner circle, that were hard to explain. There were two characters, Ferrara and Naldi, responsible for Sinner's health and passing the steroid test. Anyway, Naldi sustained a minor cut, I'd hesitate it an injury, that required a steroid-containing cloteroid (?). Well, Naldi needed that medication for a whole week. And he removed his band-aid when he gave Sinner a massage.

Djokovic apparently read the report, and didn't believe the finding! Here's the youtube on it:

 
Bartelby said:
You are the one misinforming readers by endorsing the WADA position, whereas I left the matter undecided ... as it is currently under renewed litigation.

I would also thank you not to reply to my posts. I'm not interested in replying your nonsense.
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1) Your non-response is very much appreciated.

2) In the future, I'll delete your name when quoting your comments misinforming & disinforming readers.
 
Didn't Federer also sound like Djokovic in saying that the punishment for steroid violation wasn't consistent? It was a long time ago, so reference to Sinner you might not remember!
 
This non-response was not appreciated. Just go away immediately! And don't quote my comments with or without my name attached. Thanking you in advance!

octobrina10 said:
1) Your non-response is very much appreciated.

2) In the future, I'll delete your name when quoting your comments misinforming & disinforming readers.
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When Simona Halep was caught for taking steroids, Djokovic protested, not for her innocence, but he felt she wasn't given a chance of a fair hearing!

Right now, he might feel just the opposite, that the officials were buying whatever Sinner's team was selling them!
 
So SINNERMAN was unconscious at the time the steroid started flowing, oozing and seeping over his poor, defenceless body? You do come up with doozies!

THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Nope. Sinner is not a conscious PED user (the point you deliberately dance by), unlike the criminals Sharapova, Halep, et al.
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You can rant and post inane accusations about Sinner until doomsday, but he is innocent, unlike the criminal Sharapova, and the Russian sports program--the most corrupt in world history. You will have to live with that.
 
Sinner is innocent? Did WADA send him on a cruise with you down De-Nile?

THUNDERVOLLEY said:
You can rant and post inane accusations about Sinner until doomsday, but he is innocent, unlike the criminal Sharapova, and the Russian sports program--the most corrupt in world history. You will have to live with that.
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Bartelby said:
Sinner is innocent? Did WADA send him on a cruise with you down De-Nile?
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Because the truth rarely sinks into your...mind...the first time around, ill repeat: continue to rant and post inane accusations about Sinner until doomsday, but he is innocent, unlike the criminal Sharapova, and the Russian sports program--the most corrupt in world history.
 
Sinner was caught doping and is currently suspended for all too short a time due to some sort of "gloriously political" manoeuvre.
 
Bartelby said:
The Premier Tour as mooted by Tiley is the goal, not the taking-down of a doper.
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A quick recap on what the slams want the "Premium Tour" to be (last year from The Athletic):

According to a person briefed on the proposal from the Grand Slams and the ensuing meetings, who spoke on condition of anonymity to protect relationships, the details include the following:
  • Doubling the prize money for the top 300 men.
  • ⁠Almost quadrupling the prize money for the top 300 women.
  • Using a portion of their own media rights to finance these changes.
  • Equal pay, from inception, for men and women at all the events on the premium tour, instead of making women wait until 2027 to receive the same pay as men at some of the biggest tournaments.
  • A schedule that includes the four Grand Slams, plus 10 other mixed top-level tournaments, with locations and dates to be determined, and a team event.
  • The tour would end in time to allow for an off-season of six to eight weeks.
The plan would capitalize on the lucrative media rights of the Australian, French and U.S. Opens, alongside Wimbledon, and those of the other top Masters tournaments, to create a premium tour — various versions of which have been at the core of their previous proposals, but with little meat on the bones beyond that. ESPN’s 11-year-deal for the U.S. Open is worth almost $800 million (£647.7m), and it is estimated that media rights account for over half of the annual revenue for the All England Tennis Club, which stages Wimbledon, year in, year out.
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Contrast that with what the ATP and WTA want (this year, also from The Athletic):

The Grand Slams’ proposed schedule would have around 30 events — the men’s and women’s singles in their four tournaments and ten further events on the men’s and women’s side per year. It formed the “premium tour” that they proposed to the ATP and WTA last year, and which never went further than discussions.

The tours’ new proposal includes that base structure of four majors and ten top-level tournaments, known as ATP and WTA 1,000s, for the ranking points they award to their winners. But it also includes 16 ATP 500 and 17 WTA 500 tournaments, as well as an undisclosed number of 250-level tournaments.

The Grand Slams view this plan as a blocker to their aim of creating a less-muddled and taxing schedule, one that they believe will be easier for fans to follow (and that would give their events even more primacy). In their letter to Gaudenzi and Simon, they said that the ATP and WTA plan does not permit an off-season long enough to allow players to recover properly; they are pushing for that downtime to be eight weeks.
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So the Premium Tour, which the slams will control and what Craig Tiley I assume wants, will relegate the 500s and 250s to a lower tour. And the Masters/WTA 1000s and the slams are what tennis will be.

The ATP and WTA of course want things to pretty much remain how they are now.

The PTPA I have no idea what they want. They just seem to have grievances (some of which are misrepresented) with little to no solutions, and they slander some of the players who they are supposedly representing.

Either way, I'm not so sure the PTPA would be in favor of a Premium Tour. Because again, the slams will be running tennis under a Premium Tour. Whether or not that's a good thing is a topic for another discussion.

I like the idea of it, but if you're running a 500 or a 250 I can't imagine you would want a Premium Tour, because you're probably not going to be a part of it. And again, what the PTPA wants is... who knows.
 
The PTPA wants a new deal brought in by new partners, so what the new deal is and who will be involved will be announced after the lawsuit and not before.

How could it be otherwise? Whatever the details of the Tiley plans were, they have now been overtaken by events.

The Great Gatsby said:
A quick recap on what the slams want the "Premium Tour" to be (last year from The Athletic):



Contrast that with what the ATP and WTA want (this year, also from The Athletic):



So the Premium Tour, which the slams will control and what Craig Tiley I assume wants, will relegate the 500s and 250s to a lower tour. And the Masters/WTA 1000s and the slams are what tennis will be.

The ATP and WTA of course want things to pretty much remain how they are now.

The PTPA I have no idea what they want. They just seem to have grievances (some of which are misrepresented) with little to no solutions, and they slander some of the players who they are supposedly representing.

Either way, I'm not so sure the PTPA would be in favor of a Premium Tour. Because again, the slams will be running tennis under a Premium Tour. Whether or not that's a good thing is a topic for another discussion.

I like the idea of it, but if you're running a 500 or a 250 I can't imagine you would want a Premium Tour, because you're probably not going to be a part of it. And again, what the PTPA wants is... who knows.
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